frumentius:


He also doesn't know that South Africa did not organise anything. We simply offered the Lohatla CTC, our Combat & Control infrastructure as well as equipment and troops.
This was an AU Exercise whose Director was a retired Nigerian general with scenarios drawn up by the AU Peace and Security Council. Then again what do you expect from someone who doesn't know how artillery works.

I've been thinking!! Maybe agubugu has a point!! Instead of having morter rounds and cannon/rocket fire from the Rooivalk landing a few meters from the front line, we should instead have them landing directly on top of the troops, that way the troops that die gain experience from dieing and thus know what to do when they die again in a real war.

I mean how can we argue with a military researcher who works for an accounting firm in the US who also do military researching in their spare time.

jln115:

I've been thinking!! Maybe agubugu is has a point!! Instead of having morter rounds and cannon/rocket fire from the Rooivalk landing a few meters from the front line, we should instead have them landing directly on top of the troops, that way the troops that die gain experience from dieing and thus know what to do when they die again in a real war.

I mean how can we argue with a military researcher who works for an accounting firm in the US who also do military researching in their spare time.

You are taking this thing too far. You should instead ask him, "what areas do you think the exercise should have focused on?".


This is a much more mature question. Besides we are all entitled to our opinions, you don't just gang up on him because you think differently.

ocelot2006:


i'm so loving this . Seems there's been a lot of modern Russian Spetznas/FSB influence with respect to our Army Special Forces' tactical gear. Sweet


Army looking like operatives from the Russian FSB Alpha unit

Navy SBS looking like British SAS with their jet black tactical gear.

I really wish the Police ATS/CTU force can adopt the FAST helmet and the PCUs also.

The Nigerian SOCOM has truly evolved.

I love the gear the S.F guys wear. It looks sooo cool! The army guys have very much improved from what we saw in 2010.... Very very much improved.

Problem is, I don't understand their units. There seem to be various Special forces/Counter-terror units.

Navy SBS are still my favorite though, in my opinion, they are much more experienced, better trained and more modern than the Army.

Unlike the Navy, I don't think the FAST helmets are as widespread in service with the Army. The Navy also wear a funny looking british SF helmet, although they seem to have now dumped them for FAST helmets.

Nigerian Journalist's impression of what a Nigerian Special forces soldier looks like.


"They are apparently black Russians".

Henry240:


You are taking this thing too far. You should instead ask him, "what areas do you think the exercise should have focused on?".


This is a much more mature question. Besides we are all entitled to our opinions, you don't just gang up on him because you think differently.

Just having a bit of fun Henry!! But seriously its still a fvcking ignorent thing to say, especially when he has know idea what's going on.

Also there was a clear intent to lay blame on the SANDFs part for something they didn't even organize...this again is a example of his ignorance.

Honestly I don't have a problem with someone thinking differently or has a different opinion, I have a problem with someone who acts like an American the whole time, if you get my drift?

Pic unrelated.

Henry240:


I love the gear the S.F guys wear. It looks sooo cool! The army guys have very much improved from what we saw in 2010.... Very very much improved.

Problem is, I don't understand their units. There seem to be various Special forces/Counter-terror units.

Navy SBS are still my favorite though, in my opinion, they are much more experienced, better trained and more modern than the Army.

Unlike the Navy, I don't think the FAST helmets are as widespread in service with the Army. The Navy also wear a funny looking british SF helmet, although they seem to have now dumped them for FAST helmets.

Yeah army SF units are totally confusing. There's the 72nd Airborne Battalion that seems to have morphed into a SF battalion. Then there's the South African trained 72nd Strike Force with their REVA MRAPs (probably our own souped up version of the British SAS G-Squadron). Then there is the 143rd Battalion established a 1/2+ years along the lines of US Army Rangers. Other than these i dont know about the rest.

Henry240:
Nigerian Journalist's impression of what a Nigerian Special forces soldier looks like.


"They are apparently black Russians".

Cant say im suprised . The tactical training in Russia mustve paid off big time.

President Buhari decorating Lance Corporal Kenneth Kulugh with the Purple Heart medal for gallantry in the fight against Boko Haram during his moral boosting visit to Nigerian troop in Yola Adamawa on 13th Nov 2015

agaugust:


[s]Thanks for this video sir.

Poor training from the African forces, real poor weak training, no stuff at all.....looks more like an army ceremonial parade !

South Africa should have organized something better, most armies like Uganda, Kenya, Algeria, Nigeria and Angola that are used to fighting real wars will gain nothing from this kind of shows, real war is 100 time tougher than the child's play done at AMANI Africa II.[/s]

are you re.tarded?

It was a DEMONSTRATION at the end of the exercise!!!

A DEMONSTRATION for the PRESS and DIGNITORIES

Henry240:


You are taking this thing too far. You should instead ask him, "what areas do you think the exercise should have focused on?".


This is a much more mature question. Besides we are all entitled to our opinions, you don't just gang up on him because you think differently.

Henry120, Augubug clearly has no idea what he is talking about

Entertaining his Agenda driven posts with serious discussion is like inviting Al-Baghdadi (ISIS Leader) for a theological discussion with the Pope

Amani Africa II

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KDF's Disaster Response Unit -Training

#Nigeria COIN #Nigerian Army Special forces #Streit spartan

Henry240:
#Nigeria COIN #Nigerian Army Special forces #Streit spartan

tactically awesome

BREAKING: Troops demolish Boko Haram guard post in Sambisa, kill insurgents
http://dailypost.ng/2015/11/14/breaking-troops-demolish-boko-haram-guard-post-in-sambisa-kill-insurgents-photos/

Sambisa

ocelot2006:


Yeah army SF units are totally confusing. There's the 72nd Airborne Battalion that seems to have morphed into a SF battalion. Then there's the South African trained 72nd Strike Force with their REVA MRAPs (probably our own souped up version of the British SAS G-Squadron). Then there is the 143rd Battalion established a 1/2+ years along the lines of US Army Rangers. Other than these i dont know about the rest.

Weren't core members of the 143rd battalion mobilized to create the 72nd strike force?

MikeCZAR:
Weren't core members of the 143rd battalion mobilized to create the 72nd strike force?

no. 72 strike force is made up of men from different sf units. i think it's the first special operations unit of the army. i stand corrected though

stillchris:


no. 72 strike force is made up of men from different sf units. i think it's the first special operations unit of the army. i stand corrected though

I think the US trained rangers are the first.

MikeCZAR:
I think the US trained rangers are the first.

supposed to be. but the training was cancelled halfway.

frumentius:


He also doesn't know that South Africa did not organise anything. We simply offered the Lohatla CTC, our Combat & Control infrastructure as well as equipment and troops.
This was an AU Exercise whose Director was a retired Nigerian general with scenarios drawn up by the AU Peace and Security Council. Then again what do you expect from someone who doesn't know how artillery works.

The vehicle and equipment used in the exercise were 90% SANDF stuff. How does a foreign officer control the show? The host army has it's limits of capability and what it is willing to do as combat drills. You don't impose your will on another country's army, what could the Nigerian director do with an army he does not own?

Go back to the older pages of this thread and see that style of training exercise done at AMANI.....it is 100% SANDF style and format of training....lots of coloured smoke, slow pace vehicular movement, firing guns and shells into on wide open empty land space where there is no simulated enemy, assault course obstacles or simulated civilian presence as in a sub urban environment. Nigerian, Ugandan, Kenyan army do not train like that. Nigerian director, but he is compelled to act out a 100% South African style written training script.

I just believe Africa should do better, that training will not win them a tough war like facing ISIS, Seleka, Boko Haram or El-Shabab.

Who does not know how artillery works? SANDF you mean? They have not fired artillery in combat since 20 years ago.

stillchris:


supposed to be. but the training was cancelled halfway.

i'm impressed with the recent transformation in the NA.. they're looking more bad@ss these days

I din't know Japan had an airforce base in Djibouti

Kenya's Defense Cabinet Secretary(Minister) visits Japan base for a partnership program between the two countries

jln115:

I've been thinking!! Maybe agubugu has a point!! Instead of having morter rounds and cannon/rocket fire from the Rooivalk landing a few meters from the front line, we should instead have them landing directly on top of the troops, that way the troops that die gain experience from dieing and thus know what to do when they die again in a real war.

I mean how can we argue with a military researcher who works for an accounting firm in the US who also do military researching in their spare time.

Emotions and rhetoric do not defeat tactical military facts.

Yes there are training mortar rounds and training cannon rounds if you did not know. They get fired on troops and harm nobody, non-lethal rounds for combat training.

I was not condemning anybody, just not happy that this is all Africa could do, how will that type of training help in a real El-Shabbab, Boko Haram or Seleka attack on an urban city with 100,000 civilians in the war theatre at 12 midnight in total darkness?

That is the type of conflict Africa is facing today, not the type of scenario painted in that exercise, most of what they did there is just a repeat of basic military academy training for new recruits. Most armies that went there gained next to nothing after travelling 2,000 km from home.

How many African conflicts today are happening in a wide open empty dry land, and require AU intervention force?

The battle theatre provided by South Africa is grossly inadequate in terms of today's African conflict realities.

agaugust:


Emotions and rhetoric do not defeat tactical military facts.

Yes there are training mortar rounds and training cannon rounds if you did not know. They get fired on troops and harm nobody, non-lethal rounds for combat training.

I was not condemning anybody, just not happy that this is all Africa could do, how will that type of training help in a real El-Shabbab, Boko Haram or Seleka attack on an urban city with 100,000 civilians in the war theatre at 12 midnight in total darkness?

That is the type of conflict Africa is facing today, not the type of scenario painted in that exercise, most of what they did there is just a repeat of basic military academy training for new recruits. Most armies that went there gained next to nothing after travelling 2,000 km from home.

How many African conflicts today are happening in a wide open empty dry land, and require AU intervention force?

The battle theatre provided by South Africa is grossly inadequate in terms of today's African conflict realities.

You're clueless.

120mm mortars were used during the final assault.
Fighter aircraft were used.
armoured personnel carriers were used.
IFVs were used.

The mercenaries or whatever you prefer calling them which trained the 72nd strike force were trained in that theatre and I believe they were effective.

Patchesagain:


are you re.tarded?

It was a DEMONSTRATION at the end of the exercise!!!

A DEMONSTRATION for the PRESS and DIGNITORIES

Nothing special happened beyond what we saw.

Battle theatre is 'wrong' based on current African conflict environments.

Armies were using equipment they do not own and will not use in real conflict, or will Nigerian army drive SANDF Rooikat to war ?

MikeCZAR:
You're clueless.

The mercenaries or whatever you prefer calling them which trained the 72nd strike force were trained in that theatre and I believe they were effective.

Col. Eben has said he is NOT a mercenary, he is PMC, trainer NOT fighter.

Did Eben Barlow's PMC take you along into his training field with 72 mobile strike force? Did you see their urban or sub urban theatre training? You followed them around training time for 3 months in North East Nigeria?

agaugust:


Nothing special happened beyond what we saw.

Battle theatre is 'wrong' based on current African conflict environments.

Armies were using equipment they do not own and will not use in real conflict, or will Nigerian army drive SANDF Rooikat to war ?

It isn't abour individual countries.

MikeCZAR:
You're clueless.

120mm mortars were used during the final assault.
Fighter aircraft were used.
armoured personnel carriers were used.
IFVs were used.

90% of equipment used were SANDF owned, you had about 8 other armies carrying only rifles about, what type of multinational force training is that? Training with equipment that you do not own and will not use in war. Waste of time. Each army should have shipped it's own vehicle by sea.

When that force goes into real conflict, they will be total strangers to each other in terms of equipment inter-operability.

agaugust:


Col. Eben has said he is NOT a mercenary, he is PMC, trainer NOT fighter.

Did Eben Barlow's PMC take you along into his training field with 72 mobile strike force? Did you see their urban or sub urban theatre training? You followed them around training time for 3 months in North East Nigeria?

Yes or No was he's training effective or ineffective?

And where was he trained?

MikeCZAR:
It isn't abour individual countries.

A united force should blend, that is interoperability, they lack such, only SANDF equipment was used to train 90%. You don't go to war with equipment you do not have or own, or train with at home.