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Re: Can A Soldier Go To Heaven? by herald9: 12:18pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
Chartey:If you don't fight for your territory, will you be floating on air while waiting for the kingdom of God? Even the air you'll be floating belongs to someone and you'll be shot down in no time. So I don't see anything carnal about protecting and defending your territory..... If God wanted people to live in heaven, he wouldn't have wasted all those years leading Israelites to the promised land. 1 Like |
Re: Can A Soldier Go To Heaven? by bufness(m): 12:20pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
sukkot:so u mean soldiers killi g terrorist is them being wicked? |
Re: Can A Soldier Go To Heaven? by Icecomrade: 12:21pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
ZUBY77: It's not the soldiers call to determine which war is wrong or right. Those whose responsibility is will carry that liability. A righteous soldier inrespective of the side he fights goes to heaven. The exception for me only applies with Rebel groups. The recruitment into it is voluntary. |
Re: Can A Soldier Go To Heaven? by sukkot: 12:27pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
bufness:ok first of all there is no such thing as terrorists. all these are CIA stooges, trained by the CIA, used as propaganda by the elites who control the world so that they can have the whole world under intense fear and through this fear they can build military bases all over the world while controlling the worlds resources. there is no such thing as terrorists. they are all CIA plants and sleeper cells. in nigeria they are called boko haram and in the middle-east they are called ISIS or alquaeda. These are not genuine acts of terrorism. these are devices used to control the world in this era of the evil one controlling the world. BELIEVE ONLY HALF OF WHAT YOU SEE CUZ MOST OF WHAT YOU SEE IS NOT WHAT YOU THINK IT IS 1 JOHN 5 VS 19 world around us is under the control of the evil one. |
Re: Can A Soldier Go To Heaven? by harristo(m): 12:28pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
Icecomrade: Duty to who, to God abi? Sorry to disappoint you, in the new testament / covenant, killing in self defense is bad or condemned. So a soldier who kill in a kill or be killed situation is not justified. For he is saying that his life is more important than the other human that tried to kill him. He ought to have find a way to subdue the other human without taking his or her life. Biblically, the life of everyone living after the resurrection of Jesus is just too precious to take - everyone good or evil have been bought by Jesus. |
Re: Can A Soldier Go To Heaven? by victorazy(m): 12:28pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
damton: Ur correct. The fact is that "don't kill in cold blood" is sin. |
Re: Can A Soldier Go To Heaven? by bufness(m): 12:30pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
sukkot:ok assuming i agre wuth what you have stated, are you still maintaining that killing "cia stooges" is an act of wickedness, and therefore God will at such punish an individual whose job is to defend innocent lives against them? |
Re: Can A Soldier Go To Heaven? by Bollinger(m): 12:30pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
sukkot: So, let's say Niger Republic decides to invade Nigeria and based on your logic we have no army for fear of going to hell. Who will stop them from just walking in and killing you? People need to think before clicking "submit". |
Re: Can A Soldier Go To Heaven? by Nobody: 12:32pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
Yes, a solider will make heaven if he's born again. Take for instance, Saul who became Paul.., he imprisoned God's people yet he was an apostle of God, used mightly. Look at Joshua and Caleb as they fought the battle for the children of isreal or David aganist Goliath, Gideon was a solider etc. |
Re: Can A Soldier Go To Heaven? by EreluY(f): 12:34pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
[b]If a soldier does her/his job with a sense of duty, s/he does so for posterity and guarantees future generations peace and freedom. That's what soldiers who fought WW1, WW2, etc., guaranteed our generation. The same is what current crop of soldiers guarantee next generations. That said, there is neither heaven nor hell. Free yourself from colonial mentality. The vast majority of white people whose ancestors -- only a generation ago perpetuated this myth -- no longer uphold it. Use your brain. The bible is a fraudulently compiled opus. Idiots quoting it don't know its sources and how it came to be. The Quran was said to have been given to Muhammad over a period of around 23 years. Muhammad was an illiterate who could neither read nor write and for many generations, the message contained in the Quran today was intergenerationally transmitted orally. You know about Chinese whisper? Go and read it up. Both the Bible and the Quran are concocted literature packed full of lies. Therefore, they are unreliable sources for moralising and theorising. Listen, the greatest problem facing Africans in general and Nigerians in particular is religion. The more religious Africans become, the more poorer and left behind Africa will become in terms of scientific and technological advancement. Religion handcuffs progress. Religion does not provide infrastructure, provide electricity, manufacture air planes, auto-mobiles, medicines, clothes, and food to eat. To build a church, architects, engineers and labourers are needed. Ushers don't build churches. Science and technology rules the planet today. This is the age of technology - the Age of Aquarius. Africans must decide. All the nations of the world are moving forward real fast. Asian nations such as China, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, South Korea, and Taiwan, don't have what Nigeria has but are making good use of the little resources they have. All of these nations used to be invaded, colonized, and plundered by Europeans and the Japanese, but fought for freedom and prosperity. They all used to be poor, but are rich today. Africans must decide fast, or else all the nations of the world will continue to plunder Africa, for resources like a pantry that stores abundant food for themselves forever. A few weeks ago, the Chinese Leader visited UK, got a red carpet welcome, dinned with Queen Elizabeth and supped with members of the Houses of Lords & Common. The Indian Head of State visited UK last week and received similar treatment. No African Head of State in the past decade (if not more) had received any such treatment. Why? Because the West see African leaders as criminals who only siphon national funds into personal and family accounts. Guys, we need to wise up and take our individual fates into our hands. Intellect and not religion is what we need to move on. If a soldier can rationalise and justify her/his military actions, posterity would judge her/him right. Rationality and not religiosity is what we need. The richest and safest countries in world - Norway, Sweden, Iceland, etc., - are the least religious; the most religious countries in the world - Nigeria, Pakistan, etc., - experience the harshest economic situations, crime and the like. Again, use your brains.[/b] 2 Likes |
Re: Can A Soldier Go To Heaven? by sukkot: 12:35pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
Bollinger:niger republic will never invade nigeria without the consent of the nigerian elites. if niger republic invaded nigeria it would be something agreed by the leaders of both nations because they are trying to push an agenda. ALL WARS ARE MANUFACTURED. you just dont understand how diabolic this world you live in is. its a MATRIX |
Re: Can A Soldier Go To Heaven? by tablu: 12:37pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
Off course he can make heaven! From the last time I checked we are all sinners oh, it is only the grace of God that is protecting and saving us..."he who that is without sin let him cast the first stone" |
Re: Can A Soldier Go To Heaven? by possibilita(m): 12:38pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
Check ur bible |
Re: Can A Soldier Go To Heaven? by sukkot: 12:39pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
bufness:Brah, satan will always cast out satan. if you are in the business of killing CIA stooges then you are just one of the evil pawns used by God. satan has to cast out satan. this is how it is designed. the evil will eventually wipe out themselves. if you find yourself in a situation where you have to kill a CIA stooge ? then you are part of the evil pawns being used. |
Re: Can A Soldier Go To Heaven? by harristo(m): 12:39pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
Sugarhugs: In other words, A killer that "is God fearing doesn't kill unjustly, cheat nor oppress his fellow brethren and obey Gods word, has no problem". A killer whom from "his attitude he owes his life to God,respects him and obey his word and also goes to church whenever he is not on duty (to kill)". |
Re: Can A Soldier Go To Heaven? by Bollinger(m): 12:39pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
sukkot: Ok. Since you refuse to use common sense let me use another example. When hitler was rampaging through Europe, who would have stopped him if there were no army? Remember that the reason you are free today is because of soldiers who gave their lives for you. |
Re: Can A Soldier Go To Heaven? by Kirigidi(m): 12:41pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
englishmart:I wil say yes if d soldier keeps to d "rules of engagement" of d military. If he does not use his position to oppress, torture d innocent or kill extra-judicially. My answer is based on d reply John D Baptist gave a group of soldiers who came to ask him what they shuld do to enter d kingdom of God. John D Baptist replied them thus: "Don't extort money nd don't accuse pipo falsely. Be content wit ur pay". (Luke 3:14). |
Re: Can A Soldier Go To Heaven? by sukkot: 12:45pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
Bollinger:you dumbass, when hitler was rampaging through europe it was a manufactured war by the elites. it was not a genuine war. like i said, all wars are manufactured. i suggest you watch this video to see how fake ww2 was. hitler himself was a jew, which is one thing many dont know. he was propped up by the rotschilds to create this war. so the war was not european nations fighting each other but the elite vs the peons. they just used the mugu armies to kill each other. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DilIn9ffRFA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzP1sXObwHo 1 Like |
Re: Can A Soldier Go To Heaven? by achorladey: 12:46pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
Basis Christians should not fight war: Matt 26:51-53 John 13:35 Matt 22:37-39. When you love your neighbours what basis do you have to raise sword/gun or be trained as a soldier against yr fellow Christian at war. 1 Like |
Re: Can A Soldier Go To Heaven? by Icecomrade: 12:46pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
harristo: Line of duty is to their country. What is the new testament covenant? Are you aware that the first objective of soldiers is to protect the life and property of innocent citizens. Do you really think soldiers who go to war and expose themselves to flying bullets and bombs really care so much about their own lives like you stated? What makes it like they care about their life? Is it going to war in response to his professional duty? Waiting for your response |
Re: Can A Soldier Go To Heaven? by crackhouse(m): 12:47pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
Can a man of God answer this question with bible quotation{s} pls. No be only to give tithe quotations for bible una sabi. |
Re: Can A Soldier Go To Heaven? by Bollinger(m): 12:50pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
sukkot: Ok. Last effort to Try to get this guy to receive sense. BH is waging war on Nigerians. Let's assume they come to your doorstep, who is going to stop them for you? Manufactured or not, who will stop them? Or are you going to start to reason with BH that the war is manufactured and does not concern you? |
Re: Can A Soldier Go To Heaven? by therapistmrs: 12:50pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
soldiers will make heaven.remember they are just doing their job to protect the country and citizens from bad people.the nature of their job is kill or be killed.Ultimately God knows best. therapistmrs..com |
Re: Can A Soldier Go To Heaven? by hedgesfun(m): 12:51pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
one of the oldest profession in the world is being a soldier, many of them raised personally by God himself, so if you genuinely defend your country and don't put wickedness into it you'll surely make heaven. 1 Like |
Re: Can A Soldier Go To Heaven? by ADENIKETINA2015(f): 12:52pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
By the Grace of God as long as he lived a holy life. It's a duty call on the instruction of his superiors/president. But, he needs to learn to draw the line & not to be biased irrespective of the person(s) giving the order. |
Re: Can A Soldier Go To Heaven? by sukkot: 12:57pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
Bollinger:[b]listen, in life there are no coincidences. everything that happens is supposed to happen. if boko haram brings war to your doorstep and you get killed ? it is because you are supposed to get killed. there are 170 million people in nigeria. boko haram only affects less than .00000001 percent of those people. anything that happens to you is not coincidental. if you are supposed to recieve judgement from God and you dont live in a boko haram state ? he can make a huge container fall on your car, or he can make an armed robber come kill you etc etc. nothing in life is coincidence. in this world only two laws apply ? CAUSE AND EFFECT, CRIME AND PUNISHMENT. thats the cosmic and celestial order of things in this world. we are spiritual beings having a physical existence and all your judgements that have been decreed in the celestial realm will meet you in the physical realm. so if boko haram happens to be on your doorstep ? then just pray its not you they are coming for because if the judgement decreed in the celestial realm was for you ? then nothing you can do to reverse that judgement. not even if you have 100 guns[/b] |
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Re: Can A Soldier Go To Heaven? by RALPHOW(m): 1:00pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
Yes if he or she is born again. Even David kill at war front and God even use him to write the book of Psalms and he is in heaven. Abraham the father of faith had an Army that he lead to kill during war. Soldiers kill to defend, Both laws of God and man give room for defense with the appropriate measure including killing eg if you are attacked by armed rubbers. But you must be born again and never kill for fun. |
Re: Can A Soldier Go To Heaven? by Richy4(m): 1:02pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
Did David made heaven? He was a soldier before he became king abi? Did Joshua Made heaven? he lead so many war to posses The land where the Israelites were dwelling to day AND SO ON. All these characters are human just like you and me. nothing special about them. they killed in there life time. so if you think soldiers cannot make heaven because they kill people, what about this two? |
Re: Can A Soldier Go To Heaven? by harristo(m): 1:04pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
Icecomrade: The fact that soldiers go to war doesn't mean that they don't care about their lives. Soldiers go to war out of duty to their country even though they care about their lives. A soldier who doesn't care about his or her life won't last a minute in the battlefront. As for the new testament covenant I mentioned, I was simply making clear about Bible teachings regarding the issue of soldiers going to war (it was meant for those who believe in the Bible). As for that, things changed the moment Jesus Christ resurrected from the dead. A new covenant was formed, people's lives were no longer worthless because the were sinners (this is the main change that concerns this issue). So no one should use the fact that God allowed people to kill in battle in the old testament as a way to justify soldiers killing. |
Re: Can A Soldier Go To Heaven? by jiggaz(m): 1:07pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
@OP, To answer your question, if the soldier is a Believer in CHRIST Jesus, YES!!! He will make Heaven..... It doesn't matter his profession. In the book of John... Jesus' disciples were asking him how they can do the work of God... and Jesus answered them saying "The works of God is this.... to believe in the one He sent "..... FINISH!!! The only criteria to make Heaven is by acknowledging that you are a sinner who needs a Saviour, then you ask God to forgive you. And ask Jesus CHRIST to come into your life as your Lord & Personal Saviour, believing He died for your sins and God raised Him from the dead on the 3rd day. Good works is good for a Believer but your Good works does not save you.... You are saved by Grace through FAITH in CHRIST and not by yourself lest you boast..... So @OP, if the soldier is a Believer in CHRIST, he will surely make Heaven.... John 3:16 " For God so love the world that he gave His only begotten son that whoever believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life " |
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