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Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by Richirich713: 12:26pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
The ancients had moral codes cuz they understood they had needed something to judge people. |
Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by naijapips02: 12:29pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
Richirich713: reread what you just wrote and tell me if it made sense to you. 1 Like |
Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by Richirich713: 12:32pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
naijapips02: Yes it made sense, it's not my fault he doesn't no what the NT teaches. And it's not my fault that he is misunderstanding my argument |
Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by winner01(m): 12:38pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
naijapips02:While anticipating my NYSC, my dad told me how he served in a seminary and the several demonic attrocities reverend fathers commit, coincidentally i was posted to Anambra state, osumenyi in a catholic school. We were lodged in the fathers residence for some weeks. I know that ladies came from town to service the fathers regularly, i know that sometimes at night, the fathers were drunk to an extent that they couldnt stand .. I moved close to one of the seminarians because he was probably my age mate. At least i remember during one of our discussions that He told me the following clearly I joined the seminary because of the priviledges given to Rev. fathers. One can have sex with as many ladies as you want but they must not get pregnant. I knew he had sex with my students regularly. He grew up in the seminary just like Johnydon22. Anyway I heard he was sent away for stealing offering before delivering it to the fathers. Still During my stay there, the priest was changed and this one was worse. Another seminarian also joined, a bit older than the previous ones. That one had sex with female students at will. Will you say these ones have any idea what they are into If tired of their irresponsibility and want a change they become atheists claiming "former christians", if they find grace they will come to a different realization of the person of Christ. Being born into christianity or being ordained by men is never synonymous to being a christian? What can you say about "preachers" in Nigeria who engage in several demonic attrocities? Your origin or decisions has nothing to do with your relationship with God. Fact remains, You cant leave a place youve never been, 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by johnydon22(m): 12:38pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
Richirich713: You have already agreed human morality is independent of religions like you rightly agreed above. You have only furthered to affirm that only those who lack independent moral basis in conformity to pleasing societal interactions will need religion or Politics (Laws of the state) to ensure that. Hahahaha please don't be aggressive... In fact the very fact that the new and old testament moral tilt differs drastically even though all allegedly from the same Deity is enough for all to see these are people speaking for these deities..
Am so happy you agree to the other God concepts in the picture though you go against the bible by agreeing to these other Gods..
For the simple fact that you need to hide behind the old testament laws in order to discard these laws shows these laws drastically goes against your own ethics or idea of moral actions. . . .You think God got it wrong the first time.. If he didn't there wouldn't be need to change it
Or the idea and societal expectations and timeline of the people who speak for Yahweh changed... Could it be that.? we wouldn't know...
Oh maybe even more than you do cus i know the Council of Jerusalem was responsible for discarding most jewish laws for the gentiles.
Hhmm and we keep wondering how the new testament agreed with the old on homosexuality and skipped burning priest wayward daughters or murdering unbelievers.. God changed his mind i suppose.. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by johnydon22(m): 12:40pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
Richirich713: exactly the point, if people didn't live together as a society there wouldn't be need for moral codes or societal ethics. Humans becoming social beings saw the birth of ethical codes for a pleasing mutual societal interactions. I wouldn't blame you for thinking a deity was the progenitor of these codes.. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by Richirich713: 12:45pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
Lol John are u cool with sex with men , cuz it seems its bothers u the bible condemns it? |
Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by johnydon22(m): 12:48pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
Richirich713: No not at all... I am straight so personally i hate homosexuality.... We were only comparing societal ethics here please don't drag it into something else entirely.. We were only checking how come you agree with some old testament laws and disagree and discard others..Please do not pull out unrelated discourse.. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by Richirich713: 12:49pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
u still with this OT , NT stuff , every time u speak about the bible it makes me wonder wat is the level of ur research on the bible. |
Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by winner01(m): 12:49pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
naijapips02:I gave a testimony. what is this? a testimony? Yall see why i keep saying atheism is a religion. What are you defending Your belief in void?? Keep at it, soon enough you'll realise you are actually defending a being. |
Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by winner01(m): 12:51pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
Richirich713:People who live in seminaries are taught "a lot" on theology i think. Yeah thats right. a lot of lies |
Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by Richirich713: 12:52pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
johnydon22: Haha nw u hate it Its not wrong according to u right ? |
Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by johnydon22(m): 12:54pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
Richirich713: The idea here is Both the Old and New are alleged words of Yahweh... For there to be need to discard the old laws and make a new shows the old one was wrong and needed to be changed.... So Yahweh got the first law wrong? The way you are struggling to distance yourself from these old testament laws. could it be that you find the old testament yahweh a little disturbing? Forget research about the bible or every other ancient religious texts out there, you wouldn't know much of any of them anyway. So the question now is... How come you find the old laws not worth keeping, how come it had to be changed.. Could it be Yahweh changed his mind or the ideas of the people who speak for Yahweh changed..? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by Richirich713: 12:55pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
winner01: I also thought atheism is not a religion But these atheists are proving me wrong. |
Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by johnydon22(m): 12:57pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
Richirich713: You don't really have an idea what defence to bring up right? Cus this thread is very open... My question was.. Why is it that the new testament agreed with the old on homosexuality and not on burning daughters of wayward priests. And oh yes... What i find right or wrong are actions towards one another and not who people choose to sleep with or do in their bedroom with mutual consent.... its not my business. You really have no idea how to keep up a discussion... dabbling into different premises shows you off to be quite naive on that.. why not stick to the subject of our discussion ... 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by johnydon22(m): 12:59pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
Richirich713: Is THEISM (Belief in God) a religion? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by naijapips02: 1:05pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
winner01: i sighted the example of the Mr who started preaching at the ripe age of 12. Going by your analogy, it means that the number of christians are overtly overated. Who then are the christians? if a REV, a Pastor, A Preacher is not a christian, who then is? How do we know these? Does committing atrocities make them any less of a christian? are there christians that don't commit atrocities? What really are you yapping about? 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by naijapips02: 1:08pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
winner01: no, they are not testimonies. they are testaments..... Dude, i am not defending anything. I just want you to see the foolishness of opening a thread on who deconverted or not. as it it proves anything. Daily, people are deconverting from one religion/set of believes and adopting new ones, based on their new convictions. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by johnydon22(m): 1:08pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
naijapips02: Its simple, who ever that does not conform to his own idea of morality is automatically not a christian.. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by winner01(m): 1:12pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
Richirich713:Its not possible not to believe in God. Its inbuilt. Man as a spirit cant be void. The system is in such a way that if he rejects the Holy spirit, an evil spirit automatically takes charge. These ones are evidence. Their stand point is unbelief(neutral) as they normally claim, but none of them can really explain why they post comments against God and christianity. Its clear for all to see. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by neocortex: 1:14pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
winner01: Are you a christian ? If yes , have you ever committed any "sin" while being a christian ? If yes , do you still think you are a christian since Rev. committing "sins" made them non-christians. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by KingEbukasBlog(m): 1:14pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
Richirich713: Oh No they are not They just have their ten commandments [http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/19/living/atheist-10-commandments/] , they believe a creator is not responsible for life , they have faith that by luck or chance the universe came into existence , earth could support life and intelligence was gotten by humans , they have their high priest - Richard Dawkings - websites named atheistrepublic , youtube channels and in the US a tv station called the AtheistTV , there are TV shows for them . And how dare you say that it is not organised when they have their "church " and "preachers"[ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/atheist-church] and much more . I mean with all these evidences put forward I strongly doubt atheism is a religion 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by neocortex: 1:15pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
Richirich713: Was it the ancient's moral code or god's moral code ? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by winner01(m): 1:22pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
naijapips02:Naah, its foolishness to open a counter thread and then say you arnt defending anything. @ bolded, you sound hurt by that thread, No one was trying to prove anything, its a testimony i shared with other believers. Now can you say the same for this thread The earlier you realize that you are defending 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by iconoclast(m): 1:23pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
Richirich713: You are wrong man. A serial rapist knows that rape ain't okay. A rapist's urge to commit rape ain't guided by right or wrong. Just the same way a serial killer knows killing is bad. Some people just get-off of doing bad things. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by oglalasioux(m): 1:24pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
There is a God who sparked the big bang. There is a God whose power is setting the universe on course. What I don't believe in is the religions. They are all scam. I'll rather let physics and mathematics lead me to God than let a deranged cleric get me more confused. I'll rather follow the scientists as the true prophets of God than someone who only predicts disasters. |
Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by KingEbukasBlog(m): 1:27pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
naijapips02: Naivety Its glorious when the unbelievers come to Christ . Luke 15:7
But I'm not quite what atheism gets when someone "decamps" |
Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by winner01(m): 1:29pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:Yeah, i actually read about an atheist megachurch. These ones are just pawns who have no idea what they are into. And its not like they had any idea what they were into before finding solace in atheism The big guns are making fast moves to deviate from satanism into atheism. I bet their motto is: Anything but God |
Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by johnydon22(m): 1:31pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
oglalasioux: In this case one might deduct that need to evaluate what you refer to as God is very vital.. It can be energy as a quantum value, gravity or other forces responsible for universal causality, manifestations, laws of physics as we know them.. (Even though there are other many places laws of Physics are meaningless in this universe affirming nature has no one way of manifestation... So we should check and see what really is being referred to as God here.. forces and values of universal causality or anthropomorphical humanoids somewhere in a mansion..? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by winner01(m): 1:38pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
naijapips02:You ask a lot of questions with insincerity i guess. No one is yapping, you opened a counter thread. What are you defending?? VOID?? I think not. 1 Like |
Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by KingEbukasBlog(m): 1:38pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
winner01: Exactly ! They are still kids breeding on Nairaland . They don't know what's up . They think its all about "logic and reasoning" . On their youtube shows they have callers who ask questions to know more about their " movement " . Atheism is a branch of satanism under the guise of the non belief in any deity . I'm sure they collect "offerings " and stuff in a bid to mock Christianity . In other words , they have been scammed |
Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by KingEbukasBlog(m): 1:41pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
@winner01 ... do you realise that they copy Christianity not even Islam or any other religion ? And they say they are ridiculing Religion as a whole . These nigggas right here are on a loooong thing ! |
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