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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by overhypedsteve(m): 5:53pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
MikeCZAR:but don't you think what you ve just said is total BS? The Nigerian Army have rapid response units not one. They have held their own against the worst terror crisis that any country have ever seen and I am not talking about African countries alone. The Nigerian Army remains a strong force to reckon with in the international war against terror. The theatre of modern conflicts is fast shifting from the deserts, jungles and forest into cities and urban areas. The modern conflict map is changing and the rest of Africa will have to act like they know that cus we in Nigeria we know that. The battle for Aleppo 2012- still ongoing is one of the largest battle the modern world have seen and it was fought right inside the city of Aleppo. We saw the battle for Tripoli, we saw the battle for Bama we saw the battle for Kismayo And the Kurds just took over Sinjar, so it is very reasonable for Africans to criticize any Modern African Mil exercise that does not reflect this realities. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by MikeCZAR: 6:27pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
Henry240:Ever heard about network enabled command and control? Nigeria has no software similar to Chaka. 6 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by MikeCZAR: 6:30pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
agaugust:The mo..ron sees no difference between a strategic exercise and a tactical one. 5 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by MikeCZAR: 6:35pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
overhypedsteve:Perceived as a strong force. No, Africa rebel force from Savimbi's UNITA to M23 tried holding huge cities against a well armed national army. 4 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 6:38pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
MikeCZAR: Ever heard of Network Enabled Combat Capability? As i have provided, the Nigerian Navy operates a system that is significantly better. 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by MikeCZAR: 6:44pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
overhypedsteve: Kismayo fell without any heavy fighting. The force taking Bama as seen in that Vice video was ill equipped. Mali, South Sudan, Somalia etc shows where African conflicts are fought. The Nigerian army lacks rapid response capability. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by MikeCZAR: 6:45pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
Henry240:No, what is that? Again I advise you ask for information. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by snydergp1st(m): 6:45pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
Henry240: Is this your personal opinion in support of Augubugu or did you personally evaluate all the exercises that took place in the 3 weeks. Why is there no report by military analysts attending AMANI II that it was a futile exercise. Was the exercises about testing system requirements or was it about AU trying to establish a africa wide coherent military structures to rapidly respond to african problems. Can you please show me the C2 system Nigerian Army has integrated into its units. 5 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by iblawi(m): 7:09pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
overhypedsteve: You shouldn't expect them to understand cos they haven't seen any battle close to what you are saying. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 7:39pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
snydergp1st: I've provided the state-of-the-art C2 system the Nigerian Navy has integrated into it's various vessels and units. The Navy is part of the Nigerian military. What exercises were carried out through out the 3 weeks, why don't you begin by telling us. Like i said, the Nigerian military learnt absolutely nothing new from Amani Africa. All exercise scenarios and systems have been used or deployed in one form or the other by the military. Flintlock, Obangame, etc etc are amongst joint training exercises carried out yearly in partnership with other west-African Nations. If the exercise doesn't deal with contemporary African problems (Terrorism), then the exercise is in futility. Amani Africa is only good for the cameras and threads like this. 3 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by overhypedsteve(m): 9:22pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
MikeCZAR:unfortunately your response to my post strongly advocates for advanced urban warfare training for African forces. 1.Was there urban fighting between rebel forces and the AU backed forces at all in Somalia? 2. Would a force with poor experience in urban warfare perform well in such theatres as Koduga, Bama, Kidal, Kismayo, Gao, 3.was there instances of urban warfare in Mali?(the battle for Kidal? The fighting in Gao with heavy casualties Do they ring any bell at all or picking on Agaugust is now the new past time?) 4.are African forces seeking for training on urban warfare from foreign experts? So since we know all this why all the argument? Pics 1 Malian forces undergoing urban warfare training during the Malian war. Pics 2 stock of weapons seized from heavy fighting in Konduga. Pics 3 Heavy technical seized from the battle of Konduga.
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 9:28pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
Henry240: That is not a proper data-link |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 9:29pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
Henry240: That is not a proper data-link - can you share data and radar from multiple platforms (say, a ship, jet, plane helicopter and ground elements) view the data from multiple locations and share data between platforms and employ battle-feild managment technology remotely? Can one platform "hand-over" targetting data to anothe for example? 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 9:30pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
agaugust: I am not quoting beegeagle. I am quoting YOU YOU SAY that your military lacks it |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 9:31pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
Henry240: Thats cool But its not a battlefield management system |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 9:40pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
Henry240: Uh no you dont You operate a surveilance system Facts are this: 1. Nigeria has no intergrated data link 2. Nigeria has no combat managment system 3 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 9:49pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
Henry240: So, you: 1. Say your men learnt nothing 2. Admit that you dont know what happened at the exercise How can you say your men learnt nothing if you dont know what happened at the exercise!?!?!? Seems to me that all you are trying to do is defend your boy augbugug. And yes, the 2 hour demonstration is good for cameras because... they specifically saved that part of the exercise FOR THE PRESS. Probably because IT WAS A FVCKING PRESS DEMONSTRATION. Get that into your head. Jesus, this guy speaks authoritativly about a 3 week 5000 man exercise and the only thing he knows about it is what he saw in a ~2 hour press demo that involved about ~400 men. 3 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 7:29am On Nov 17, 2015 |
stillchris: Oga, The truth is we did not learn anything from Amani Africa. The maneuvers and demonstrations seen are scenarios used in the 70s or the Nigerian civil war. I mean, how do you attack Gwoza or defend maiduguiri with Armoured vehicles sitting so close to each other. You don't even attack Sambisa that is riddled with bobby traps, IEDS and VBIEDs that way. The maneuvers used in Amani Africa are obsolete, archaic and have no place whatsoever in the modern battlefield. Name just one engagement that the Nigerian army has been involved in, in the last 25 years that have required us to use maneuvers like those we saw in Amani Africa, I dare you to name one? I'm not saying that Amani Africa should just be held in built up areas, I'm saying Amani Africa should be a representation of the scenarios modern African militaries ( Nigeria, Algeria, Egypt, Ethiopia, Kenya, Uganda) have faced and continue to face in their various theaters of operations. Have you even taken the time to look at how the French fought in Mali ? It was street level, then operations were taken to the mountains. The scenarios presented in Amani Africa are all from the 70s. There is something very wrong with fighting like you are in the 70s in today's modern battle-space. If Nigerian forces used these tactics against Boko-Haram, they would be severely ra.ped every time. I don't see how the military can attack or defend Gwoza, Mubi, Potiskum, Gombe city, Madagali with tactics used in the 70s. The only area Amani Africa delivers is on cohesion. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:32am On Nov 17, 2015 |
Henry240: Henry, do you have any proof for anything you're claiming here? And don't waste my time by referring to press photographs and a video of the closing ceremony and demonstration for politicians and media. 2 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 9:46am On Nov 17, 2015 |
Henry240: So despite admitting that you have no idea what was done during the 3 week exercise You are still telling us about it? Dude, you are a fakking idiot 2 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 10:01am On Nov 17, 2015 |
Henry240: According to this guy modern armies don't ever: 1. Assault the enemy 2. Conduct combined arms operations 3. Engage in low intensity conventional warfare I can name plenty times that these operations have been done - the war in Somalia is a prime example. south Africa has plenty of urban warfare training facilities, if they were needed they would have been used The INABILITY of the Nigerian army to conduct such operations is not valid evidence that such operations are obsolete. 2 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Fynline(m): 10:35am On Nov 17, 2015 |
Oga Henry and all my Naija pals abeg make una free these guys. The insult don dey become too much. Them follow u come here no be because say them get goodwill for us but na becos of say them think say na them better pass. After all na Naija forum and we no want make them spoil this place for us again. For me personally when ever i get the time to start anything on defense for social media NL go be the last place wen i go consider becos of shit like this, i go rather go for a place wen i go get control over wetin anybody dey yarn. Seriously i don dey tire for NL these days. All my Naija guys i hail 4 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by bidexiii: 10:48am On Nov 17, 2015 |
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 10:51am On Nov 17, 2015 |
Fynline: Me no go yarn on this matter again. I jst sy mak I clear dem doubt rapidly on this matter, that idea of wanting to dey feel say na dere own no good, na em make I say I must clear dem doubt by fire by force. We no dey find prsn wey go lik us. Infact, me wan always want mak dem show dem true colours, so tht we go put dem 4 dem level. See as Agaugust say mak em yarn em mind as d matter use touch am 4 chest, na em all of em come just pounce on am like village dog wey see shit. I wan put dem 4 dem level, make e pain dem well well.... Dem don mad finish. Carry old schl tactics come dey train 4 2015 come dey expect sy make we dey clap 4 dem. Wetin dem get sef wey persn no go gree hear word again, shuuuuu!! Tht na a similar system wey our navy don use tey tey, since 2011. Comprehensive Digital C2, and na even naija company wey develop am, still install am 4 our navy sef. Initially I sy mak I jst bone d matter, sy dem no reach, but d way dem carry agugaust matter for head like say na government work na wetin mak me para.... I say mak i treat dem Fvck-up, put dem 4 dere place. If I jst keep quiet dem 4 just continue still dey mumu. 3 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 11:26am On Nov 17, 2015 |
Henry240: Proclaiming victory when you have admitted you do not even know what you are talking about? Ignoring South African posters because they ask questions you cannot answer? AND STOP CALLING A SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM A C2 SYSTEM This is beyond ludicrous, Nigerian hubris at its finest 4 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 11:47am On Nov 17, 2015 |
Amisom troop rotation, UPDF
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 12:31pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
agaugust:Are you? |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 12:51pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
# Nigeria COIN
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by stillchris: 1:29pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
Henry240: I always hear the Nigerian government giving props to US and western nations and not mentioning Russia when talking about those who stood by us. While the Russian trained commandos seem to perform better than the US trained ranger battalion. The Same thing happened during the civil war. We were abandoned by the west while the soviets backed us only for the war to end and we forgot about them. Now this. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by stillchris: 1:35pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
@9jas. Does anyone know what has happened to the police spec ops program Jonathan imitated before leaving office? I'm not talking about MOPOL nor ATU We've seen from the army but nothing from the police. |
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