MikeCZAR:
Yes attacked.

Just like Maiduguri the insurgents are easily repelled and fall back to the bushes to live and fight another day. Nigerian military lacks a rapid response capability similar to the Zimbabwean then Rhodesia force fire.

but don't you think what you ve just said is total BS? The Nigerian Army have rapid response units not one. They have held their own against the worst terror crisis that any country have ever seen and I am not talking about African countries alone. The Nigerian Army remains a strong force to reckon with in the international war against terror.
The theatre of modern conflicts is fast shifting from the deserts, jungles and forest into cities and urban areas. The modern conflict map is changing and the rest of Africa will have to act like they know that cus we in Nigeria we know that.
The battle for Aleppo 2012- still ongoing is one of the largest battle the modern world have seen and it was fought right inside the city of Aleppo.
We saw the battle for Tripoli, we saw the battle for Bama we saw the battle for Kismayo
And the Kurds just took over Sinjar, so it is very reasonable for Africans to criticize any Modern African Mil exercise that does not reflect this realities.

Henry240:


You are silly!

Point remains that Nigeria learnt nothing new from Amani II. As the systems used in the exercise are/ or similar with systems they already field right here at home.

Ever heard about network enabled command and control?

Nigeria has no software similar to Chaka.

agaugust:



Definition of the United States Department of Defense military term "exercise "

A military maneuver or simulated wartime operation involving planning, preparation, and execution. It is carried out for the purpose of training and evaluation. It may be a multinational, joint, or single-Service exercise, depending on participating organizations.

http://www.militaryfactory.com/dictionary/military-terms-defined.asp?term_id=1960

AMANI is training, exercise is training, stop misleading people all over Africa, please .


The world powers are moving away from AMANI style conventional warfare training when they deploy troops for the current types of threat the world is facing, that AMANI order of battle and engagement formations/tactics will fail in Mogadishu or Maiduguri when El-Shabab or Boko Haram strikes in urban warfare guerrilla style among hundreds of thousands of civilians.

USA, Russia, France, Britain, have all learnt that lesson and the US Army is now re-training tens of thousands of troops to acquire battle craft for fighting the new type of unconventional threats facing the world today, and Africa included.

Watch the battle theatres used in Flintlock 2015 exercise, poor Chad provided both open desert and sub-urban built up theatres for the exercise, that tells you they as the host have experience of African needs and they feel responsibility to provide excellent battle theatres of different types.

That is what we are saying, relevant training matching the current type of threats prevailing in Africa today. Let us not mislead the whole of Africa just because we don't want our country to be criticized for not doing all it should do as a host, the peace of Africa is more important than personal nationalistic ego.

PHOTOS : EXERCISE FLINTLOCK 2015 IN CHAD

The mo..ron sees no difference between a strategic exercise and a tactical one.

overhypedsteve:
but don't you think what you ve just said is total BS? The Nigerian Army have rapid response units not one. They have held their own against the worst terror crisis that any country have ever seen and I am not talking about African countries alone. The Nigerian Army remains a strong force to reckon with in the international war against terror.
The theatre of modern conflicts is fast shifting from the deserts, jungles and forest into cities and urban areas. The modern conflict map is changing and the rest of Africa will have to act like they know that cus we in Nigeria we know that.
The battle for Aleppo 2012- still ongoing is one of the largest battle the modern world have seen and it was fought right inside the city of Aleppo.
We saw the battle for Tripoli, we saw the battle for Bama we saw the battle for Kismayo
And the Kurds just took over Sinjar, so it is very reasonable for Africans to criticize any Modern African Mil exercise that does not reflect this realities.

Perceived as a strong force.


No, Africa rebel force from Savimbi's UNITA to M23 tried holding huge cities against a well armed national army.

MikeCZAR:
Ever heard about network enabled command and control?

Nigeria has no software similar to Chaka.

Ever heard of Network Enabled Combat Capability?


As i have provided, the Nigerian Navy operates a system that is significantly better.

overhypedsteve:
but don't you think what you ve just said is total BS? The Nigerian Army have rapid response units not one. They have held their own against the worst terror crisis that any country have ever seen and I am not talking about African countries alone. The Nigerian Army remains a strong force to reckon with in the international war against terror.
The theatre of modern conflicts is fast shifting from the deserts, jungles and forest into cities and urban areas. The modern conflict map is changing and the rest of Africa will have to act like they know that cus we in Nigeria we know that.
The battle for Aleppo 2012- still ongoing is one of the largest battle the modern world have seen and it was fought right inside the city of Aleppo.
We saw the battle for Tripoli, we saw the battle for Bama we saw the battle for Kismayo
And the Kurds just took over Sinjar, so it is very reasonable for Africans to criticize any Modern African Mil exercise that does not reflect this realities.

Kismayo fell without any heavy fighting.

The force taking Bama as seen in that Vice video was ill equipped.

Mali, South Sudan, Somalia etc shows where African conflicts are fought.

The Nigerian army lacks rapid response capability.

Henry240:


Ever heard of Network Enabled Combat Capability?


As i have provided, the Nigerian Navy operates a system that is significantly better.

No, what is that?

Again I advise you ask for information.

Henry240:


You are silly!

Point remains that Nigeria learnt nothing new from Amani II. As the systems used in the exercise are/ or similar with systems they already field right here at home.

Is this your personal opinion in support of Augubugu or did you personally evaluate all the exercises that took place in the 3 weeks. Why is there no report by military analysts attending AMANI II that it was a futile exercise.

Was the exercises about testing system requirements or was it about AU trying to establish a africa wide coherent military structures to rapidly respond to african problems.

Can you please show me the C2 system Nigerian Army has integrated into its units.

overhypedsteve:
but don't you think what you ve just said is total BS? The Nigerian Army have rapid response units not one. They have held their own against the worst terror crisis that any country have ever seen and I am not talking about African countries alone. The Nigerian Army remains a strong force to reckon with in the international war against terror.
The theatre of modern conflicts is fast shifting from the deserts, jungles and forest into cities and urban areas. The modern conflict map is changing and the rest of Africa will have to act like they know that cus we in Nigeria we know that.
The battle for Aleppo 2012- still ongoing is one of the largest battle the modern world have seen and it was fought right inside the city of Aleppo.
We saw the battle for Tripoli, we saw the battle for Bama we saw the battle for Kismayo
And the Kurds just took over Sinjar, so it is very reasonable for Africans to criticize any Modern African Mil exercise that does not reflect this realities.

You shouldn't expect them to understand cos they haven't seen any battle close to what you are saying.

snydergp1st:


Is this your personal opinion in support of Augubugu or did you personally evaluate all the exercises that took place in the 3 weeks. Why is there no report by military analysts attending AMANI II that it was a futile exercise.

Was the exercises about testing system requirements or was it about AU trying to establish a africa wide coherent military structures to rapidly respond to african problems.

Can you please show me the C2 system Nigerian Army has integrated into its units.

I've provided the state-of-the-art C2 system the Nigerian Navy has integrated into it's various vessels and units. The Navy is part of the Nigerian military.

What exercises were carried out through out the 3 weeks, why don't you begin by telling us.

Like i said, the Nigerian military learnt absolutely nothing new from Amani Africa. All exercise scenarios and systems have been used or deployed in one form or the other by the military.

Flintlock, Obangame, etc etc are amongst joint training exercises carried out yearly in partnership with other west-African Nations.


If the exercise doesn't deal with contemporary African problems (Terrorism), then the exercise is in futility. Amani Africa is only good for the cameras and threads like this.

MikeCZAR:


Kismayo fell without any heavy fighting.

The force taking Bama as seen in that Vice video was ill equipped.

Mali, South Sudan, Somalia etc shows where African conflicts are fought.

The Nigerian army lacks rapid response capability.

unfortunately your response to my post strongly advocates for advanced urban warfare training for African forces.
1.Was there urban fighting between rebel forces and the AU backed forces at all in Somalia?
2. Would a force with poor experience in urban warfare perform well in such theatres as Koduga, Bama, Kidal, Kismayo, Gao,
3.was there instances of urban warfare in Mali?(the battle for Kidal? The fighting in Gao with heavy casualties Do they ring any bell at all or picking on Agaugust is now the new past time?)
4.are African forces seeking for training on urban warfare from foreign experts?
So since we know all this why all the argument?

Pics 1 Malian forces undergoing urban warfare training during the Malian war.
Pics 2 stock of weapons seized from heavy fighting in Konduga.

Pics 3 Heavy technical seized from the battle of Konduga.

Henry240:


Are you drunk or just plain silly?

Is Augustine in the military or is he the military that confirms they can share real-time data/video with their COBR facility in Abuja?

That is not a proper data-link

Henry240:


Are you drunk or just plain silly?

Is Augustine in the military or is he the military that confirms they can share real-time data/video with their COBR facility in Abuja?

That is not a proper data-link - can you share data and radar from multiple platforms (say, a ship, jet, plane helicopter and ground elements) view the data from multiple locations and share data between platforms and employ battle-feild managment technology remotely?

Can one platform "hand-over" targetting data to anothe for example?

agaugust:


You quote Beegeagle when it suits your wish, but when it does not, you say Beegeagle is a mere blog and not a reliable source

Is Augustine a Nigerian armed forces General to know all types of communication technology the military has?

I am not quoting beegeagle.

I am quoting YOU

YOU SAY that your military lacks it

Henry240:


point is, Nigeria operates a Digital C2 system which provides real-time tactical information, surveillance/tracking and networking capabilities which allows the Nigerian Navy to better protect her EEZ.

Thats cool

But its not a battlefield management system

Henry240:


Ever heard of Network Enabled Combat Capability?


As i have provided, the Nigerian Navy operates a system that is significantly better.

Uh no you dont

You operate a surveilance system

Facts are this:
1. Nigeria has no intergrated data link
2. Nigeria has no combat managment system

Henry240:


I've provided the state-of-the-art C2 system the Nigerian Navy has integrated into it's various vessels and units. The Navy is part of the Nigerian military.

What exercises were carried out through out the 3 weeks, why don't you begin by telling us.

Like i said, the Nigerian military learnt absolutely nothing new from Amani Africa. All exercise scenarios and systems have been used or deployed in one form or the other by the military.

Flintlock, Obangame, etc etc are amongst joint training exercises carried out yearly in partnership with other west-African Nations.


If the exercise doesn't deal with contemporary African problems (Terrorism), then the exercise is in futility. Amani Africa is only good for the cameras and threads like this.

So, you:

1. Say your men learnt nothing
2. Admit that you dont know what happened at the exercise

How can you say your men learnt nothing if you dont know what happened at the exercise!?!?!?

Seems to me that all you are trying to do is defend your boy augbugug.

And yes, the 2 hour demonstration is good for cameras because... they specifically saved that part of the exercise FOR THE PRESS. Probably because IT WAS A FVCKING PRESS DEMONSTRATION. Get that into your head.

Jesus, this guy speaks authoritativly about a 3 week 5000 man exercise and the only thing he knows about it is what he saw in a ~2 hour press demo that involved about ~400 men.

stillchris:


.

My argument was as regards the complaint of that AMANI exercise should have been held in built up areas.

I believe the aim of the ATF is taking the fight to the enemy before they metamorphose to seizing territories.

I don't see anything wrong with the scenario that was provided.

When it comes to defending or fighting in urban areas, i believe the contributing armies should have been trained for that.

A cohesive organization of these different structures is the first step which they have achieved

Oga,

The truth is we did not learn anything from Amani Africa. The maneuvers and demonstrations seen are scenarios used in the 70s or the Nigerian civil war.


I mean, how do you attack Gwoza or defend maiduguiri with Armoured vehicles sitting so close to each other. You don't even attack Sambisa that is riddled with bobby traps, IEDS and VBIEDs that way.


The maneuvers used in Amani Africa are obsolete, archaic and have no place whatsoever in the modern battlefield. Name just one engagement that the Nigerian army has been involved in, in the last 25 years that have required us to use maneuvers like those we saw in Amani Africa, I dare you to name one?


I'm not saying that Amani Africa should just be held in built up areas, I'm saying Amani Africa should be a representation of the scenarios modern African militaries ( Nigeria, Algeria, Egypt, Ethiopia, Kenya, Uganda) have faced and continue to face in their various theaters of operations.

Have you even taken the time to look at how the French fought in Mali ? It was street level, then operations were taken to the mountains.


The scenarios presented in Amani Africa are all from the 70s. There is something very wrong with fighting like you are in the 70s in today's modern battle-space. If Nigerian forces used these tactics against Boko-Haram, they would be severely ra.ped every time.


I don't see how the military can attack or defend Gwoza, Mubi, Potiskum, Gombe city, Madagali with tactics used in the 70s.


The only area Amani Africa delivers is on cohesion.

Henry240:


Oga,

The truth is we did not learn anything from Amani Africa. The maneuvers and demonstrations seen are scenarios used in the 70s or the Nigerian civil war.


I mean, how do you attack Gwoza or defend maiduguiri with Armoured vehicles sitting so close to each other. You don't even attack Sambisa that is riddled with bobby traps, IEDS and VBIEDs that way.


The maneuvers used in Amani Africa are obsolete, archaic and have no place whatsoever in the modern battlefield. Name just one engagement that the Nigerian army has been involved in, in the last 25 years that have required us to use maneuvers like those we saw in Amani Africa, I dare you to name one?


I'm not saying that Amani Africa should just be held in built up areas, I'm saying Amani Africa should be a representation of the scenarios modern African militaries ( Nigeria, Algeria, Egypt, Ethiopia, Kenya, Uganda) have faced and continue to face in their various theaters of operations.




The scenarios presented in Amani Africa are all from the 70s. There is something very wrong with fighting like you are in the 70s in today's modern battle-space. If Nigerian forces used these tactics against Boko-Haram, they would be severely ra.ped every time.


I don't see how the military can attack or defend Gwoza, Mubi, Potiskum, Gombe city, Madagali with tactics used in the 70s.


The only area Amani Africa delivers is on cohesion.

Henry, do you have any proof for anything you're claiming here? And don't waste my time by referring to press photographs and a video of the closing ceremony and demonstration for politicians and media.

Henry240:


Oga,

The truth is we did not learn anything from Amani Africa. The maneuvers and demonstrations seen are scenarios used in the 70s or the Nigerian civil war.


I mean, how do you attack Gwoza or defend maiduguiri with Armoured vehicles sitting so close to each other. You don't even attack Sambisa that is riddled with bobby traps, IEDS and VBIEDs that way.


The maneuvers used in Amani Africa are obsolete, archaic and have no place whatsoever in the modern battlefield. Name just one engagement that the Nigerian army has been involved in, in the last 25 years that have required us to use maneuvers like those we saw in Amani Africa, I dare you to name one?


I'm not saying that Amani Africa should just be held in built up areas, I'm saying Amani Africa should be a representation of the scenarios modern African militaries ( Nigeria, Algeria, Egypt, Ethiopia, Kenya, Uganda) have faced and continue to face in their various theaters of operations.

Have you even taken the time to look at how the French fought in Mali ? It was street level, then operations were taken to the mountains.


The scenarios presented in Amani Africa are all from the 70s. There is something very wrong with fighting like you are in the 70s in today's modern battle-space. If Nigerian forces used these tactics against Boko-Haram, they would be severely ra.ped every time.


I don't see how the military can attack or defend Gwoza, Mubi, Potiskum, Gombe city, Madagali with tactics used in the 70s.


The only area Amani Africa delivers is on cohesion.

So despite admitting that you have no idea what was done during the 3 week exercise

You are still telling us about it?

Dude, you are a fakking idiot

Henry240:


Oga,

The truth is we did not learn anything from Amani Africa. The maneuvers and demonstrations seen are scenarios used in the 70s or the Nigerian civil war.


I mean, how do you attack Gwoza or defend maiduguiri with Armoured vehicles sitting so close to each other. You don't even attack Sambisa that is riddled with bobby traps, IEDS and VBIEDs that way.


The maneuvers used in Amani Africa are obsolete, archaic and have no place whatsoever in the modern battlefield. Name just one engagement that the Nigerian army has been involved in, in the last 25 years that have required us to use maneuvers like those we saw in Amani Africa, I dare you to name one?

Have you even taken the time to look at how the French fought in Mali ? It was street level, then operations were taken to the mountains.


The scenarios presented in Amani Africa are all from the 70s. There is something very wrong with fighting like you are in the 70s in today's modern battle-space

According to this guy modern armies don't ever:

1. Assault the enemy
2. Conduct combined arms operations
3. Engage in low intensity conventional warfare

I can name plenty times that these operations have been done - the war in Somalia is a prime example.

south Africa has plenty of urban warfare training facilities, if they were needed they would have been used

The INABILITY of the Nigerian army to conduct such operations is not valid evidence that such operations are obsolete.

Oga Henry and all my Naija pals abeg make una free these guys. The insult don dey become too much. Them follow u come here no be because say them get goodwill for us but na becos of say them think say na them better pass. After all na Naija forum and we no want make them spoil this place for us again. For me personally when ever i get the time to start anything on defense for social media NL go be the last place wen i go consider becos of shit like this, i go rather go for a place wen i go get control over wetin anybody dey yarn. Seriously i don dey tire for NL these days.

All my Naija guys i hail

Fynline:
Oga Henry and all my Naija pals abeg make una free these guys. The insult don dey become too much. Them follow u come here no be because say them get goodwill for us but na becos of say them think say na them better pass. After all na Naija forum and we no want make them spoil this place for us again. For me personally when ever i get the time to start anything on defense for social media NL go be the last place wen i go consider becos of shit like this, i go rather go for a place wen i go get control over wetin anybody dey yarn. Seriously i don dey tire for NL these days.

All my Naija guys i hail

Fynline:
Oga Henry and all my Naija pals abeg make una free these guys. The insult don dey become too much. Them follow u come here no be because say them get goodwill for us but na becos of say them think say na them better pass. After all na Naija forum and we no want make them spoil this place for us again. For me personally when ever i get the time to start anything on defense for social media NL go be the last place wen i go consider becos of shit like this, i go rather go for a place wen i go get control over wetin anybody dey yarn. Seriously i don dey tire for NL these days.

All my Naija guys i hail

Me no go yarn on this matter again. I jst sy mak I clear dem doubt rapidly on this matter, that idea of wanting to dey feel say na dere own no good, na em make I say I must clear dem doubt by fire by force.


We no dey find prsn wey go lik us. Infact, me wan always want mak dem show dem true colours, so tht we go put dem 4 dem level. See as Agaugust say mak em yarn em mind as d matter use touch am 4 chest, na em all of em come just pounce on am like village dog wey see shit.


I wan put dem 4 dem level, make e pain dem well well.... Dem don mad finish. Carry old schl tactics come dey train 4 2015 come dey expect sy make we dey clap 4 dem.


Wetin dem get sef wey persn no go gree hear word again, shuuuuu!! Tht na a similar system wey our navy don use tey tey, since 2011. Comprehensive Digital C2, and na even naija company wey develop am, still install am 4 our navy sef.


Initially I sy mak I jst bone d matter, sy dem no reach, but d way dem carry agugaust matter for head like say na government work na wetin mak me para.... I say mak i treat dem Fvck-up, put dem 4 dere place. If I jst keep quiet dem 4 just continue still dey mumu.

Henry240:


Me no go yarn on this matter again. I jst sy mak I clear dem doubt rapidly on this matter, that idea of wanting to dey feel say na dere own no good, na em make I say I must clear dem doubt by fire by force.


We no dey find prsn wey go lik us. Infact, me wan always want mak dem show dem true colours, so tht we go put dem 4 dem level. See as Agaugust say mak em yarn em mind as d matter use touch am 4 chest, na em all of em come just pounce on am like village dog wey see shit.


I wan put dem 4 dem level, make e pain dem well well.... Dem don mad finish. Carry old schl tactics come dey train 4 2015 come dey expect sy make we dey clap 4 dem.


Wetin dem get sef wey persn no go gree hear word again, shuuuuu!! Tht na a similar system wey our navy don use tey tey, since 2011. Comprehensive Digital C2, and na even naija company wey develop am, still install am 4 our navy sef.


Initially I sy mak I jst bone d matter, sy dem no reach, but d way dem carry agugaust matter for head like say na government work na wetin mak me para.... I say mak i treat dem Fvck-up, put dem 4 dere place. If I jst keep quiet dem 4 just continue still dey mumu.

Proclaiming victory when you have admitted you do not even know what you are talking about?

Ignoring South African posters because they ask questions you cannot answer?

AND STOP CALLING A SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM A C2 SYSTEM

This is beyond ludicrous, Nigerian hubris at its finest

Amisom troop rotation, UPDF

agaugust:


You quote Beegeagle when it suits your wish, but when it does not, you say Beegeagle is a mere blog and not a reliable source

Is Augustine a Nigerian armed forces General to know all types of communication technology the military has?

Are you?

# Nigeria COIN

Henry240:
# Nigeria COIN

I always hear the Nigerian government giving props to US and western nations and not mentioning Russia when talking about those who stood by us.

While the Russian trained commandos seem to perform better than the US trained ranger battalion.

The Same thing happened during the civil war. We were abandoned by the west while the soviets backed us only for the war to end and we forgot about them.

Now this.

@9jas. Does anyone know what has happened to the police spec ops program Jonathan imitated before leaving office? I'm not talking about MOPOL nor ATU

We've seen from the army but nothing from the police.