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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 9:45pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
Shymm3x: Not saying Soyinka's intention was to create a gang culture, but without proper standardization processes and maintenance [like everything in Nigeria], his fraternity intention Africanized. |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 9:46pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
Shymm3x: I'm a fan of their step shows, I stream them on youtube for their homecoming whatever. ![]() ![]() |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 9:47pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
IlekeHD: LOL! ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Shymm3x: 9:47pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
Katsumoto: Applause. As for me, I gave Tinubu the benefit of the doubt cos of the noise he makes about true federalism - till he got smoked by Saraki and Buhari finished him off with 36hits combo. He needs to retire and take the rest of the other old Yoruba folks with him - and let young people that are selfless with drive and well defined ideology take charge. 4 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Shymm3x: 9:48pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
9jacrip: Yes, that is fun to watch. But the whole Greek thing just sucks. |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 9:50pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
9jacrip: How many Naija politicians do benchmarking? What was the GDP between when I came and when I left? What was the GDP per income capita? What was the exam pass rate? Mortality rate? infant mortality rate? unemployment rate? No answer Instead, people are told how many elections are won? Who can win state, local or national elections? Who can eat amala with local people? who can punish civil servants who are late? Who can be outsmarted by others within the same party? APC loyalists should please provide proper indices; the old scare mongering tactic will not work. 5 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 9:53pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
IlekeHD: Buhari isn't being taken to task here; rather it's the governors, LG Chairmen, party leaders, etc. Buhari just started, the others have been in power for over 4 years. 2 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 9:54pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
9jacrip: Just 6 months nau. Imagine having a website with awful responsive theme. Even if you hire new developers to fix the site, it would still suck if you don't change the system [new drupal theme, etc]. If the same developers do the same thing...better...it'd still be a terrible website. Nigeria needs the money and knowledge to buy a new system. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 9:57pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
Katsumoto: You're correct. I understand and my reply still applies to 9jacrip's post. He was pointing out Buhari. There's a process there somewhere. Buhari need to understand the legal ways to handle his mischievous governors/ministers. It makes sense to take time [and not do gragra] to employ knowledgable advisers. 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 10:00pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
Shymm3x: Oh well, why do you think so if it is OK to ask? |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 10:05pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
It's not easy to change from a dictator to a PRESIDENT. His old thinking and processes need to adapt to his new role. Honestly, I'm trying to take a back seat to this administration, though I still hold a special place in my heart for Buhari. His whole demeanor is graceful. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Shymm3x: 10:19pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
9jacrip: They do a lot of homo shiit during their initiation and other routine programmes they do. And if you graduate from the normal fraternity thing to boule - that's the proper homo shiit, with a lot homoerotic things they used to do in Ancient Greece. Anyway, I just don't understand why a black person would want to recreate Ancient Greece and the groups they had, to be honest. The whole thing just reeks of coonery. |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 10:24pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
Katsumoto: Unfortunately, apart from the politicians, Nigerians generally do not think this way. 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 10:26pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
IlekeHD: No shakes. We will see how it goes. I sincerely hope he works and turns Nigeria around. |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 10:39pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
9jacrip: Hope is too passive for Nigeria. |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 10:44pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
IlekeHD: Maybe it is but that is the max a person who's not involved in politics can do. |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 10:44pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
Shymm3x: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I've heard this before though but I brushed it off. Homo bawo? |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Shymm3x: 10:55pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
9jacrip: Lool. Why are you shocked? Wasn't Ancient Greece a homoerotic society? So what do you expect from a culture borrowed from a society that is like that? I'm somewhere feeding my muscles at the moment...but I will see if I can post some links to you when I get home. |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 11:03pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
Shymm3x: Steriods? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Shocked because borrowing a name from a society doesn't mean you should design your activities in line with what happens/ed in the society. |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 11:06pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
*Clears Throat* Announcement folks. Does anyone know where one can purchase UDCA (Ursodeoxycholic Acid) or a herbal gallstone medication (I would like to think our forefathers must have had a way of dealing with it) here in Nigeria? I have not been able to find it, either I'm looking in the wrong places or I'm not looking well enough. My peeps for naija make una help me expand my search yo. |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 11:22pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
9jacrip: ![]() |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Shymm3x: 11:23pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
9jacrip: Loool. Who needs steroids when you have got pounded yam? Lol You should know they copied a lot of things from Ancient Greece if you pay attention to all the things they do at their home comings. Just google all the homo scandals they are involved in loool. Dyck-in-the-booty gang is their new name lol. |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by TerraCotta(m): 11:49pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
Katsumoto: Hi Kats. I've been following this discussion for a little while and catching up with it as it evolved. Gbawe's contribution and your responses have elevated the conversation considerably (no disrespect to people who kept the thread going!) and your debate prompts me to comment. I've had this same conversation about the political merits of Bola Tinubu with my own relatives and friends, some of whom live in Nigeria (I don't) and I disagree with them as I disagree with you. Gbawe and Ramdeuter rightfully point out what the realistic alternatives to Tinubu's political influence are--I don't think the likes of Fayose and Alao-Akala can be dismissed as 'scare-mongering' when they are active politicians who are or were in office. They are the realistic opposition to Tinubu, not the gifted but faceless millions of potential Awolowos who are in no way ready to run for election. The U.S. and U.K. may be overrun with potential Theodore Roosevelts and Benjamin Disraelis as well but that won't neutralize the fact that the next leaders will be well-established Democrats/Republicans or Conservative/Labour members, respectively. On your pertinent question about indices of human development. The GDP of Lagos at $80 billion in 2010 figures exceeded that of 14 states in the U.S. And Kenya. I'm sure you're familiar with the flaws of using GDP (and even GDP per capita) as a proxy for societal progress so I don't think a straight statistical comparison tells the whole story. By comparison, low population/higher income nations like Equitorial Guinea should be paradise since it can boast of a GDP per capita of about $20,000 before the oil price decline. So which indices would be more appropriate? How about growth in tax receipts? Tax is the lifeblood of government in any civilized society and in Lagos, and in Lagos, the number of compliant taxpayers went from 2.4 million in 2011 to 4.5 million last year. I can't find the 1999 figures yet but I would be surprised if the state had up to 1 million tax payers at that time. That is significant progress that contributes to the ongoing (but unfinished) infrastructural development I see when I go back every year. No one wants to pay taxes, but direct funding of government projects gives people a sense of ownership in the process and 'skin in the game.' APC loyalists should please provide proper indices; the old scare mongering tactic will not work. I don't know if I can be qualified to be called an APC loyalist but a fair look at the indices suggest that Lagos, the state that Tinubu ruled, has experienced substantial progress in the 16 years since he took charge as governor and political figurehead in subsequent administrations. Interestingly, some of the lauded social critics we've mentioned have nothing but respect for Tinubu themselves. Here are two examples: Wole Soyinka is never shy about praising Tinubu for his role as one of the leading finders of NADECO during the Abacha years, and most people forget that he was also in exile for opposing the military as a senator in the early 1990s as well. Soyinka, unlike many of us, has repeatedly tried to contribute to political development in Nigeria so he has a clear sense of what is needed and what it takes to success. His latest foray, the DFPF political party, would certainly qualified to be called a failed project compared to APC. More recently, Fashola has restated his respect and commitment to Tinubu as a leader despite the rumored (and in my opinion, true) rift between them over the Ambode election and other issues. In the PM News profile, Fashola talked about Tinubu's encouragement of him and Wale Tinubu when they were young lawyers, along with Tinubu's approach to employee welfare and how it influenced him in later years. I could go on but I think my point is clear enough. Whatever Bola Tinubu's flaws are, it's hard to dismiss him as ineffectual or equal to any of his rivals. He assembled and groomed the team that will lead infrastructure development, solid mineral exploitation, federal taxation and, indirectly, finance for the country over the next four years. Those are respectable achievements that can't be ascribed to a 'local champion'. If there are no improvements in these fields by the end of the team's tenure, then they (and Tinubu) can rightfully be called failures. Right now, they appear to be winning. On the issue of relatively high debt burdens in western Nigeria (I've never been a fan of reducing Yorubaland to "the southwest" ), I agree that governors should be made to justify the debts but I don't think the concept of borrowing for development should be demonized outright. China's debt to GDP ratio now stands at about 160%, yet in terms of infrastructure, they're the envy of many nations. You can quote similar (but less extreme) figures for most developed economies. Debt issuance is a crucial part of industrialization and infrastructure development and in times of private-sector inactivity, it's actually necessary for government to increase spending on public works to generate demand so economic activity can pick up. I absolutely see Aregbesola's logic in developing an airport in Osogbo, for instance, but I guess I'm in the minority on that issue. You don't wait until the tourism or agricultural demand is overwhelming before developing the necessary infrastructure to support it. The infrastructure itself is often the spur for economic activity. I know that Katsumoto has discussed Keynesian theory here on Nairaland before so that last part wasn't really meant for you--it was just a general comment to the earlier comments about debt. I'm not able to check into NL very often these days but I do look forward to your response. 7 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Shymm3x: 11:50pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
IlekeHD: Looool. Every time I see ya posts, I see someone that looks like Peace Hyde with XXXL baggage at both front and back end. I just wonder how you get from A to B without pain. ![]() |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 12:02am On Nov 18, 2015 |
Shymm3x: ![]() |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 12:05am On Nov 18, 2015 |
Do these old members just view NL everyday or is someone signaling you guys to this thread? 2 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Shymm3x: 12:16am On Nov 18, 2015 |
IlekeHD: Loool. Aareonakanfo ought to be praised for bringing the eggheads out to the party. Anyway, I'm still expecting the big uncle, onReflection to contribute. And I know when he comes to the party - he'll come with loads of references. Can't wait to see his argument. I won't be surprised to see physicsPHD throw about 50books at the thread lol. We need to leave this topic here for a while. |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 12:18am On Nov 18, 2015 |
Shymm3x: That guy is Bini, I doubt he'd contribute. Yea, going to viewing mod once they start. |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Shymm3x: 12:22am On Nov 18, 2015 |
IlekeHD: Loool. I know physics used to have a Bini bot/sensor attached to the backend of this forum that calls him every time Bini is mentioned loool. But trust me, that guy likes this type of debate. It is an opportunity for him to post 50books at once. That is my nyggah though...PhysicsQED the scholar lool. 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 12:25am On Nov 18, 2015 |
Shymm3x: Yea, I respect the guy too. 1. Kats 2. Gbawe 3. PQED 4.Texxaspete 5. Sagamite [When he's not calling everyone a fa.g.got] If you want to start a library WWIII, just lock these people in one small room with history books. 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 12:28am On Nov 18, 2015 |
Looool Shymm3x and Iya Agba una no serious ![]() ![]() But seriously how do these guys type long comments though la layi n se typist ![]() I can't type this much no matter how much I have to say ![]() Anyhow sha, different strokes for different folks |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Shymm3x: 12:30am On Nov 18, 2015 |
IlekeHD: Sagarat is a vacuous stark illiterate with limited lexicon and expired cheese for brain matter. I like the following: - Katsumoto - eGuerrilla - terracotta - MayorofLagos esp. When he was negrontns - gbawe - pukkah Then I'll put PhysicsQED and Ekt-bear in the same bracket cos I like certain things about them. |
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