iblawi:


Provide source. Mumu

Another liar from South Africa.

There are 100 murders per day in Nigeria per 100 000. The only thing that keeps Nigeria, Brazil and Mexico below countries like Jamaica is there higher population that makes the ratio lower but the fact remains you kill more each day
http://top10for.com/top-10-countries-highest-murder-rate-2015/

iblawi:


They can't understand anything when they can't take care of poachers killing their armed officers.

Symptoms of being beaten blue-black. Whenever these losers get the beating they will run to nonmilitary topics just to deliberately deviate your concentration. They will do everything just to escape from that corner of hell.

snydergp1st:


There are 100 murders per day in Nigeria per 100 000. The only thing that keeps Nigeria, Brazil and Mexico below countries like Jamaica is there higher population that makes the ratio lower but the fact remains you kill more each day
http://top10for.com/top-10-countries-highest-murder-rate-2015/

Nigeria has higher murders per ratio than South Africa.

snydergp1st:


Changing the topic won't save your *ass from the embarrassment of your useless soldiers that got kidnapped or ran away in woman clothes all the way to Chad.

What the hell does road accidents have to do with military matters.


If you wanna take it there read how your road deaths per 100 000 is worse then SA
http://www.fitila.ng/talking-road-casualties-in-nigeria/

In Nigeria its getting worse daily with 140 road deaths per day. That makes it double that of SA murder and road deaths combined. Now do the maths 140*30 in road deaths and I'm not even including your own homicide deaths.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/roads-kill-the-toll-of-traffic-accidents-are-rising-in-poor-countries/2014/01/12/b1065922-56d2-11e3-8304-caf30787c0a9_story.html

Next time before you attempt trying to change a topic and derail the thread, you should first look into your own country's problems before attempting another disaster.

What nonsense are you posting a random number from fake journalist who just want to write stories. Where was data collected from big lies Washington post not Nigerian post. Mumu

iblawi:


What nonsense are you posting a random number from fake journalist who just want to write stories. Where was data collected from big lies Washington post not Nigerian post. Mumu

You do not even have road accident fund to compensate your victims.

Msauza2:


You do not even have road accident fund to compensate your victims.

You are a confused person.
Compensate you for driving as a superman or compensate you for doing what others have not done before?

Why do you have insurance?

iblawi:


What nonsense are you posting a random number from fake journalist who just want to write stories. Where was data collected from big lies Washington post not Nigerian post. Mumu

Go read the WHO report on road deaths in Nigeria which clearly shows you are ahead in road deaths in Sub sahara. The data comes from your own stats and WHO.

You want citations now you cry, deal with it. You were the one who is trying to derail things here by subverting issues on your grouse incompetent coward 100m record army runners.

Two different sources saying the exact same thing.

Deal with it

It is a good thing that Botswana, Namibia and Zimbabwe do not seem to have any territorial ambitions, because if they chose to annex a few South African provinces, the defence force would be hard-pressed to stop them, especially if Lesotho decided to get into the action.

A large and long overdue review of South Africa’s defence capabilities and needs, now in the phase of public consultation, paints a grim picture.

The country has too few fighting men and women, often with old or useless equipment, often without the discipline required to constitute an effective fighting force, little ability to deploy them rapidly, little by way of heavy equipment to back them up and a severely limited ability to communicate with them once they are in the field.


Shortcomings stretch from basic training to intelligence capability, leaving the defence force if not defenceless as such, at least easily outmatched by a sufficiently large multifront attack using chemical or biological weapons, heavily armoured units or any combination of these.

And that is the formal, written version. In private, analysts and military professionals across the board scoff at the idea that South Africa could defend itself from any serious, determined, concerted attack almost as much as they scoff at the idea that such an attack could take place in the foreseeable future.

“We are not going to fight a conventional war in the short-to-medium term,” said Len le Roux, a retired major general and consultant to the Institute for Security Studies on defence policy.

But if national defence remains the real job of the defence force, the defence review says, then somebody will have to pay for it.

“The persistent disconnect between the defence mandate, government expectation and resource allocation has eroded defence capabilities to the point where the defence force is unable to fully deliver its constitutional responsibility to defend and protect South Africa and its people and further cannot even support the current modest level of ambition,” the discussion draft reads.

Although it takes a high-level strategic view and specifically steers clear of enumerating crises and the cost of fixing them, the 423-page document makes it abundantly clear that maintenance of crumbling runways, for instance, will not wait. And there is wide consensus that almost every capability the defence force has is fast being eroded.

“We are at the point where we have two choices: either we spend a big chunk of money, or we do not intervene and we accept that we are going beyond the point of no return,” said Abel Esterhuyse, associate professor of strategy at Stellenbosch University’s faculty of military science and editor of the South African Journal of Military Studies.

That does not mean splurging on capital equipment arms-deal style. Both the review and analysts who were not involved in its drafting said operational funds were what was most desperately needed—money for the everyday running of the armed services rather than expensive equipment. There are some exceptions, such as transport aircraft and ground vehicles, but those are relatively cheap and can be acquired over time. What the existing forces need instead is to actually use their equipment, including what has already been bought at such expense and controversy.

“You have aircraft like the Gripen ... unless you have a certain number of flying hours a month you begin to lose the skills of the pilots and you can quite easily dig a large hole in the ground with a supersonic jet,” said David Chuter, a lecturer, a writer on defence and a former British defence official with a long history of project involvement in South Africa.

“The risk is that quite soon you have the pilot and you have the aircraft, but you don’t have a pilot capable of flying the aircraft effectively.”

Defence against the type of aggression that requires a Gripen fighter jet is not South Africa’s main area of concern at the moment, but the principle seems to hold true for the duties the military, air force and navy are carrying out.

Insufficient practice compounds problematic hardware and initial training and results in a force that has neither the credibility required to deter aggression nor the ability to fight poachers in the Kruger Park or pirates off the Mozambican coast. And there is a sense of near despair at the failure of politicians who order such tasks to fund them.

“Border protection was given back to the defence force from the South African Police Service [in 2010] without any substantial increase in budget to do that,” said Roelf Meyer, chairperson of the committee responsible for the defence review. “If the expectation is that we should take care of border protection and if it is a government priority, then we need more money.”

Although Meyer’s committee is independent of the military and tasked with reviewing it in terms of government priorities, he tends to slip into a parental “we” when speaking of the seemingly impossible demands being placed on the defence force. His committee’s draft document reads like an extended pitch for funding.

Still, his group well understands the political trouble a sudden and substantial increase in military spending would cause and seems to have learned from the work of the National Planning Commission. That body first published indicators—hard data with a touch of analysis that illustrated problems in an unarguable way. Once that was accepted, criticism of its subsequent hard-hitting recommendations was more difficult and critics found themselves called on to provide alternatives. The defence review could create the same type of baseline for the fully costed budget that will have to follow.

“I would like to see us build a consensus around the document as much as we can so that, when we put it to Parliament, we can say this is the view of South Africans,” said Meyer.

“I would hope we would be able to give this document to the minister [of defence] for her to put forward the argument, which I don’t think is any secret: the defence force is underfunded.”

In some respects, the argument for more money—and it will be an argument—will be easier than at any time in the past decade, the dragging bad karma of the arms deal notwithstanding. Better border protection also means preventing more smuggling of cigarettes and other goods that attract high levels of tax and are easily loaded on to a light aircraft, which should have a direct impact on taxes collected and thus be attractive to the more economically minded.

Combatting rhino poaching by way of the military tactics Chuter summarised, such as “scaring the shit” out of poachers through helicopter-landed special forces, touches on an issue particularly emotive for the middle class.

An improved peacekeeping capability would delight those with a pan-African bent. Commercial fishermen would approve of better patrolling of South Africa’s waters.

And, should the administration in charge in 2013 wish to reduce rather than magnify the perceived waste of money on the arms deal, a little bit of money could go a long way.

“For a relatively small amount of extra money, you can actually start making use of all this kit properly, in a way that would justify the initial expenditure and allow the defence force to carry out the missions it was bought for effectively,” said Chuter.

From defanged to refanged: How political change shaped the force
WHERE THINGS WENT WRONG
The disconnect between military requirements and military funding had its roots in the transition from apartheid, analysts said. It was a time when the overriding priority was to prevent a military coup, although there was a secondary nod to showing the rest of Southern Africa that South Africa would never again be a threat. That meant disempowering the military rather than supporting it and subsequent swift policy changes did not help.

“Mandela was trying to get the military out of the domestic environment. There was all this suspicion and doubt with white generals and black politicians, so the emphasis was on pulling them out of the domestic realm,” said Stellenbosch University’s Abel Esterhuyse. “Mbeki deployed the military into the foreign policy environment and made the key decision to disband the commando system, [leading to] the loss of that blanket domestic intelligence capability that we had across every small town in the country.

“Now, in the Zuma era, we are seeing that the police cannot cope with domestic challenges, so subtly the emphasis is starting to move towards a return to the domestic realm for the military. We do not want to be seen to be scaling down on our international commitments, but that is where it is going.”


Costly mission: The Gripen fighter jet. (Frans Dely)

In the middle of those shifts came the last formal defence review, conducted in 1998, which magnificently failed to predict anything like the actual future.

“There was a bit of a utopian view at the time, especially about Africa,” said Len le Roux, who was involved in that process. “The Cold War was over, apartheid was gone, so what could go wrong in Africa? The extent of South Africa’s commitment to peace missions was just not foreseen — and other stuff—I mean, who predicted the Arab Spring two years ago? Who predicted the way piracy would start up?”

But even as it became clear that South Africa would be a major participant in far-flung and complex missions for a long time to come, the requirement for more social spending and a big increase in public servant wages demanded reductions elsewhere. Then the global financial crisis struck state income.

DOMESTIC DEPLOYMENT
Deploying troops within South Africa’s borders in situations in which they could end up in conflict with civilians was long politically unpalatable. This, however, seems to be changing fast. The defence review makes no value judgment on domestic deployment, but coyly points out that the army requires urban warfare training anyway, which has value both in fighting insurgents north of Limpopo and in arresting violent service delivery protesters.

Effective border patrols would require a highly manoeuvrable component, such as motorbike squads, which likewise has a dual purpose. Non-lethal ammunition for the military is considered an important need, as is creating a faster process to authorise the deployment of defence units.

Analysts and military veterans also point out that the use of heavier weapons and explosives by crime syndicates requires an equal or greater response and that democracy may not be best served by militarising the police service to the point where it could handle such threats.

LABOUR ISSUES
The military has a labour problem. According to the defence review, it lacks a sufficient number of fighting soldiers while employing people variously described as uneconomical or ill-suited to their tasks. And it is costing too much. In the past financial year, 55% of the military budget went to personnel costs, whereas 40% is generally agreed to be a more acceptable level.

Outside analysts and former commanders, however, go much further. They said the application of general labour practices in the military meant an inability to discipline soldiers and prevented unsuitable recruits from being weeded out.

This, in a service such as the army that already has a clash of culture between the old defence force ways and the different norms brought in by the integration of forces from armed-struggle groups, has caused trouble. Add to the mix poorly conceived change to the formal discipline system and you have chaos.

“The current military discipline system [which entered into force in 1999] has not served its intended purpose and has conversely served to weaken military discipline and undermine the power of commanders,” said the defence review.

“The system has specifically disempowered commanders by removing summary discipline.”

After more than a decade under such a system and with the debate on unionisation within the defence force still unsettled, the results are starting to show and affect South Africa’s reputation.

“When you have troops on deployment in another country, they are representing you; they are flying your flag,” said one observer.

“When you have people misbehaving in shared United Nations camps and when you hear unflattering comparisons between South African officers and officers from other African countries, I wonder how much good we’re doing our strategy in Africa.”

iblawi:
You are a confused person.
Compensate you for driving as a superman or compensate you for doing what others have not done before?

Why do you have insurance?

We have road accident fund that's is primarily geared towards the poor who use public transport. It helps them from the lose of income when they are injured in accidents so as to provide a means of income during recovery or lose of life.

This is a national free insurance that is open to every road accident victim regardless if you have insurance.

It is something that Nigeria should look at implementing in the near future because the costs of road accidents is mostly felt by those who can't afford insurance especially poor working class commuters.

snydergp1st:


We have road accident fund that's is primarily geared towards the poor who use public transport. It helps them from the lose of income when they are injured in accidents so as to provide a means of income during recovery or lose of life.

This is a national free insurance that is open to every road accident victim regardless if you have insurance.

It is something that Nigeria should look at implementing in the near future because the costs of road accidents is mostly felt by those who can't afford insurance especially poor working class commuters.

Road accident fund is for everyone, irrespective of whether you are poor or not. The government takes responsibility of the condition of the road.

It is for public as well as private transport. In fact all road users.


http://www.raf.co.za/Pages/default.aspx

I love it when you guys attempt to recover from a lost cause.

You post old hopelessly wrong info from former apartheid lovers.

For instance the nonsense you posted says we have crumbling runways WOW REALLY. Why didn't those reporters include that AFB Waterkloof's runways were upgraded also.
http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-4950/

What I love about you guys and the former apartheid enthusiasts in your report is that they will try and paint a gloomy picture of just about everything yet they conveniently forget that those things they report as being rundown has been through upgrades.

I wish you luck @Ibalwi on you futile attempt to recover lost pride.

iblawi:


Provide source. Mumu

Another liar from South Africa.

I have, countless times.

snydergp1st:
I love it when you guys attempt to recover from a lost cause.

You post old hopelessly wrong info from former apartheid lovers.

For instance the nonsense you posted says we have crumbling runways WOW REALLY. Why didn't those reporters include that AFB Waterkloof's runways were upgraded also.
http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-4950/

What I love about you guys and the former apartheid enthusiasts in your report is that they will try and paint a gloomy picture of just about everything yet they conveniently forget that those things they report as being rundown has been through upgrades.

I wish you luck @Ibalwi on you futile attempt to recover lost pride.

I never lost my pride dear

Am still full of pride.

snydergp1st:


Go read the WHO report on road deaths in Nigeria which clearly shows you are ahead in road deaths in Sub sahara. The data comes from your own stats and WHO.

You want citations now you cry, deal with it. You were the one who is trying to derail things here by subverting issues on your grouse incompetent coward 100m record army runners.

Two different sources saying the exact same thing.

Deal with it

Stop listening to news that mislead you.

This is directly from the source in 2015. Federal road safety commission.

http://omojuwa.com/2015/07/road-accidents-in-nigeria-analysis-and-discussion-by-adeyemi-adedokun/


6450 Nigerians lost their lives on our roads in 2013, which includes 4552 men, 1398 women, 299 boys and 201 girls. The report shows that men are almost four times more involved in road accident death. More data from the report content shows that between 2009 and 2013, 30435 people were killed in road accident in Nigeria (This is about the size of a European city, e.g. Gyula, Hungary). Also, 28480 men, 9198 women, 1520 boys and 859 girls, a total of 40057 people were injured in road accidents in 2013. Looking through the years, the report shows that 183531 people were injured in road accidents between 2009 and 2013, and the extent of their injury is unknown.
The numbers support the report that Nigeria is ranked second-highest in the rate of road accidents among 193 countries of the world. A report from WHO adjudged Nigeria the most dangerous country in Africa with 33.7 deaths per 100,000 population every year. According to the report, one in every four road accident deaths in Africa occurs in Nigeria. A conclusion drawn by Nigeria watch states that next to Boko Haram insurgency, road accident is the second highest source of violent death in Nigeria.

This is ridiculously high by global standard and totally untrue according to the report from the FRSC, but no one has until now, publicly challenge this report and this is unfortunately the information available to the world on Wikipedia. The Nigerian population according to data from World Bank was 159.7 million in 2010. 6052 fatalities were recorded in 2013 according to the FRSC report.


Pls always look for source that helps you not estimate

http://pulse.ng/traffic/federal-road-safety-commission-agency-pledges-to-reduce-nigerias-high-rate-of-accident-related-deaths-id4355035.html

http://feelalright9ja.com/blog/federal-road-safety-commission-agency-pledges-to-reduce-nigerias-high-rate-of-accident-related-deaths

http://pulse.ng/traffic/federal-road-safety-commission-45-persons-lose-their-lives-in-road-crashes-in-kogi-state-says-agency-id4378613.html

http://theeagleonline.com.ng/frsc-records-18-deaths-from-39-road-crashes-in-akwa-ibom/

iblawi:


I have to like your pics unlike the criminal that feels he can deceive Nigerians with fine pics.

That is exactly how it looks.

LOL....I thought the Chaka C2 was like a nuclear weapons command and control room in USA

So na just 2 laptop computers and one telecoms router

Is that what they say Nigerian army Generals are coming to learn? Have they seen Nigerian army generals doing C2 with the massive network of computers on Nigerian ATR-42 Surveyor and Beechcraft 350ER ? Nothing is SANDF can match our C2 equipment and battlefield surveillance, command and control capabilities, Nigeria leads the whole of Africa in that area of war capability and advanced technology.

iblawi:


Answer this questions honestly.

1) were the pictures you posted from SADF?

2)can you differentiate between Chaka and Battle tek?

3)do you now know the difference between them? If yes, is your Chaka anywhere close to ours C2 at least from the pics?

You k.illed them !
.

jln115:

How am i trying to deceive you bro?? The Images belongs to Frum!! If you say they aren't South African(Which they are) then go debate it with him.

Anyway here are some more pics for you:

Chaka C2 is for your army, you are posting air force control room equipment.

See what your army Chaka C2 looks like when deployed on the battle field....

jln115:


What do you mean belongs to the SANDF? Its says in the Source that the Chaka system is used by the SANDF!!

And the other photos i posted are also of SANDF equipment!! You can clearly see SAAF personal using the system!!

You posted a whole air force control room of many kinds of equipment that has NOTHING to do with Chaka c2.

The main purpose of Chaka C2 that we are debating about is AMANI II armies exercise of the AU, did you put a whole air force control room including air traffic control equipment into one MRAP and carried it to the battlefield?

The Chaka C2 in question is the brigade level vehicle mobile unit used for AMANI exercise.....

Msauza:


The photo is fake, finish and klaar.

Tell your proforce that Okator will punish them for stealing their intellectual property and close down their business, once and for all.

snydergp1st:


Henry please for once let us not deceive ourselves here, we both can see clearly that the photo was photo shopped. There's also no such pic in the Proforce gallery so whose f.ooling who here.

Why is the back ground of both pics exactly the same, can you explain it to me?


Let's make a deal post the very same pics on your thread and allow the non SA and Nigerian posters tell us what there opinion is of the two pictures.

Patchesagain:


You posted a photo of the cobra

Proforce is posting a photo of their own look-alike of the Cobra under development, the windows and lights are different, true they used a Cobra photo as layout, but no big deal in that.

No copyright issue, the design is not peculiar to Turkey, as Russia has a similar APC design looking like a Cobra.

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bpm-97-apc/

Turkey actually copied an old Russian year 1950design called BTR-152 http://survincity.com/2011/08/reincarnation-btr-152-bpm-97-the-shot/

Proforce Nigeria is right with that design, or you wanna arrest Russia first for a simple common sense design of BPM-97 APC?

You Southies just wanna accuse Nigeria's 100% owned and fast growing defence industry just because we finally exposed the European ownership of 90% of South African defence industry.

#WRECKED SOUTH AFRICAN ENVY LOADED ARGUMENT.

Henry240:


The error comes from the company, not Agaugust. The image is image 28 in their picture gallery.


The Vehicle the company is currently developing is also in that photo-gallery. Nobody is trying to fool anybody, at-least not in this thread or mine.

I would say Proforce did not make an error, their own APC has different windows and lights compared to the Cobra, and btwn Russia is doing the same thing with their BPM-97 APC.....http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bpm-97-apc/

[img]http://i58.fastpic.ru/big/2013/1029/95/7716c7d1e3ee034bbc6d8bdc6a654095.jpg[/img]

Cobra design is based on simple common sense over which nobody has copyright.

The original design is owned by Russia since 1950, called BTR-152....actually Turkey is the copy cat

http://survincity.com/2011/08/reincarnation-btr-152-bpm-97-the-shot/

snydergp1st:


Selling cheap low grade LAV's to police the worlds poorest state is nothing to brag about.

Give us technical proof that it is low grade.



Proforce Nigeria produces world class military armoured vehicles comparable to world standards, tested and proven ballistic capabilities....our LAV products are superior to some American LAV of same class, we make better quality....better than even South Africa.

"“The Minister of Industry, Trade and Investment, Dr Olusegun Aganga, has been there; governors have been there and so many eminent people and they realised that the quality of our products vis-à-vis the quality of vehicles from Dubai and from the US are far better."

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/01/nigeria-produces-300-armoured-vehicles-annually/

@agaugust don't mind them. They make the Chaka look like they have a nuclear weapon. They also like posting information from wrong sources with estimated figures when trying to paint Nigeria black but we give dem fact.
Same thing with data link. Even proforce UAV have data link.

agaugust:






Proforce is posting a photo of their own look-alike of the Cobra under development, the windows and lights are different, true they used a Cobra photo as layout, but no big deal in that.

No copyright issue, the design is not peculiar to Turkey, as Russia has a similar APC design looking like a Cobra.

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bpm-97-apc/

Turkey actually copied an old Russian year 1950design called BTR-152 http://survincity.com/2011/08/reincarnation-btr-152-bpm-97-the-shot/

Proforce Nigeria is right with that design, or you wanna arrest Russia first for a simple common sense design of BPM-97 APC?

You Southies just wanna accuse Nigeria's 100% owned and fast growing defence industry just because we finally exposed the European ownership of 90% of South African defence industry.

#WRECKED SOUTH AFRICAN ENVY LOADED ARGUMENT.

Proforce will be commiting a day light robbery by stealing the cobra design. Otokar will have all the legal powers to shut down their business for intellectual property crimes.

agaugust:


I would say Proforce did not make an error, their own APC has different windows and lights compared to the Cobra, and btwn Russia is doing the same thing with their BPM-97 APC.....http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bpm-97-apc/

[img]http://i58.fastpic.ru/big/2013/1029/95/7716c7d1e3ee034bbc6d8bdc6a654095.jpg[/img]

Cobra design is based on simple common sense over which nobody has copyright.

The original design is owned by Russia since 1950, called BTR-152....actually Turkey is the copy cat

http://survincity.com/2011/08/reincarnation-btr-152-bpm-97-the-shot/

Stealing is a crime. It doesn't matter how you will try to alter a stolen T-Shirt from someone's washing line to make it look as if is yours. It will still belong to the owner.

Do the right thing by approaching Otokar and buy some entitlement/ patent right to produce their product, the same way Denel has done with their Badger.

Do things the legal way and not by 419

jln115:

Whats the point then Henry?? So Commanders will just sit and do nothing when there clearly is a problem? All because of respect??

You have also yet to NAME the tactics that are Obsolete!!

Go see tactics videos from FLINTLOCK 2015 exercise hosted by Chad, even the US military was praising Chad for the relevant training theatres provided despite Chad being financially poor compared to a gold and platinum rich buy mentally poor South Africa.

agaugust:


Go see tactics videos from FLINTLOCK 2015 exercise hosted by Chad, even the US military was praising Chad for the relevant training theatres provided despite Chad being financially poor compared to a gold and platinum rich buy mentally poor South Africa.

Those so called obsolete tactics were used by Eeben Barlow to improve the attacking skills of your military against BH and it worked perfectly well. Do away with all this new Hollywood fantasies and do it the right way. Back to Basics is always the answer.

Do it the old South African way.

Thiza:
Nigerian soldiers are famous for being sprinters. Maybe they should look for them in Cameroon and Chad may help in locating the vanishing soldiers. Boko Haram understand Nigerian mentality very well. RUN SOLDIER RUN!!!!

LOL....your story is a lie, so you are wasting your time

"The Nigerian Army has described as untrue media reports that 105 soldiers were missing after deadly attack by the Boko Haram insurgents."


http://dailypost.ng/2015/11/20/105-soldiers-not-missing-in-borno-army-spokesman/

SANDF runs when they hear the word...S..E..L..E..K..A

agaugust:


Give us technical proof that it is low grade.



Proforce Nigeria produces world class military armoured vehicles comparable to world standards, tested and proven ballistic capabilities....our LAV products are superior to some American LAV of same class, we make better quality....better than even South Africa.

"“The Minister of Industry, Trade and Investment, Dr Olusegun Aganga, has been there; governors have been there and so many eminent people and they realised that the quality of our products vis-à-vis the quality of vehicles from Dubai and from the US are far better."

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/01/nigeria-produces-300-armoured-vehicles-annually/

Surely it is now evident that proforce is still one of those struggling companies as it can be clearly seen by how they are producing their armoured cars using old 1800 method. Go to any plant of Denel and see the kind of technology they are using to produce vehicles. The robots are doing welding and everything.

Msauza:


Those so called obsolete tactics were used by Eeben Barlow to improve the attacking skills of your military against BH and it worked perfectly well. Do away with all this new Hollywood fantasies and do it the right way. Back to Basics is always the answer.

Do it the old South African way.

Eben Barlows tactics are the exact opposite of SANDF hosted AMANI.

BTWN....Israel trained more Nigerian COIN troops than Eben, not to mention 5,000 trained by Russia and Pakistan for Nigeria's COIN brigade
.

agaugust:


Eben Barlows tactics are the exact opposite of SANDF hosted AMANI.

BTWN....Israel trained more Nigerian COIN troops than Eben, not to mention 5,000 trained by Russia and Pakistan for Nigeria's COIN brigade
.

Eeben Barlow learnt everything from SANDF and is a product of the same lohatlha battle school. He and his team.

Msauza:


Surely it is now evident that proforce is still one of those struggling companies as it can be clearly seen by how they are producing their armoured cars using old 1800 method. Go to any plant of Denel and see the kind of technology they are using to produce vehicles. The robots are doing welding and everything.

Show us photo of DENEL factory robots welding armoured vehicles

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[size=14pt] Africa's current most battle tested army wrecks Boko Haram ![/size]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toom3kZPIKc

South African army should come learn real war in Northern Nigeria, too much sleep makes SANDF fat
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