FighterPilot:


SA has over 100 indigenous companies and less than 5 foreign owned companies.


Stop misleading people. SAAB bought 70% stake from Grintek, a company which existed in SA many years before SAAB could come to the shores.

Rheinmetall and Denel Munitions (RDM) is a joint venture of 51/49%. Even before that Denel was owning the company (NESCHEM) alone until it decided to sell Reinmetall 51% stake of its Potchefstroom branch which is now renamed RDM.

SA had an indigenous company established in 1987 called THALES ADVANCED ENGINEERING which was an electronic security giant in the country

http://www.dataweek.co.za/article.aspX?pklarticleid=4163

http://www.securitysa.com/news.aspX?pklnewsid=20702

African defence systems Pty Ltd is the SA company which the THALES S.A then Thomson-CSF from France consumed by buying its controlling shares.

http://www.epicos.com/EPCompanyProfileWeb/GeneralInformation.aspx?id=17218

Talking about cars is irrelevant because we all know that SA does not have indigenous brand of automotives.

A killer post for Agaugust.

How can only three foreign companies who bought stakes in existing indigenous companies own 90% SA defence industry. Your claim already failed.

agaugust:

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[size=14pt] Africa's current most battle tested army wrecks Boko Haram ![/size]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toom3kZPIKc

South African army should come learn real war in Northern Nigeria, too much sleep makes SANDF fat
.

Bwahahahah… Do not forget that BH recently thrashed 157 Battalion to the point that 105 went missing and only to return later

However BH captured T-72 with lot and lot of weapons. Don't try to impress us with your weak military.

agaugust:


LOL....I thought the Chaka C2 was like a nuclear weapons command and control room in USA

So na just 2 laptop computers and one telecoms router

Is that what they say Nigerian army Generals are coming to learn? Have they seen Nigerian army generals doing C2 with the massive network of computers on Nigerian ATR-42 Surveyor and Beechcraft 350ER ? Nothing is SANDF can match our C2 equipment and battlefield surveillance, command and control capabilities, Nigeria leads the whole of Africa in that area of war capability and advanced technology.

1. No, you dont have a military wide datalink
2. No, you dont have military wide intergration of a combat managment system
3. No, you dont have a combat managment system at all.

If you wish to prove otherwise, provide citations.

agaugust:


Chaka C2 is for your army, you are posting air force control room equipment.

See what your army Chaka C2 looks like when deployed on the battle field....

1. Airforce is intergrated into the system as is the Army and Navy - all platforms are intergrated
2. That picture is highly impressive, it shows a mobile Ratel command post that has been intergrated - can you show us such a thing in your army?

agaugust:


You posted a whole air force control room of many kinds of equipment that has NOTHING to do with Chaka c2.

The main purpose of Chaka C2 that we are debating about is AMANI II armies exercise of the AU, did you put a whole air force control room including air traffic control equipment into one MRAP and carried it to the battlefield?

The Chaka C2 in question is the brigade level vehicle mobile unit used for AMANI exercise.....

1. Airforce controll room is intergrated into it

2. Yes, considering that part of the exercise was the co-ordination of a continent wide strategic airlift

3. No, Chaka is intergated at lower levels and not only brigade level

agaugust:






[s]Proforce is posting a photo of their own look-alike of the Cobra under development, the windows and lights are different, true they used a Cobra photo as layout, but no big deal in that.

No copyright issue, the design is not peculiar to Turkey, as Russia has a similar APC design looking like a Cobra.

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bpm-97-apc/

Turkey actually copied an old Russian year 1950design called BTR-152 http://survincity.com/2011/08/reincarnation-btr-152-bpm-97-the-shot/

Proforce Nigeria is right with that design, or you wanna arrest Russia first for a simple common sense design of BPM-97 APC?

You Southies just wanna accuse Nigeria's 100% owned and fast growing defence industry just because we finally exposed the European ownership of 90% of South African defence industry.

#WRECKED SOUTH AFRICAN ENVY LOADED ARGUMENT.[/s]

1. You posted a picture of a Cobra - which is not built or designed in Nigeria. End of story
2. You cannot in any way compare your pathetic defence industry to ours
3. You have yet to prove your "90% foreign owned" allegation

As usual augubug tries desperatly to shift the goal posts... and as usual he fails to score a goal

agaugust:


I would say Proforce did not make an error, their own APC has different windows and lights compared to the Cobra, and btwn Russia is doing the same thing with their BPM-97 APC.....http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bpm-97-apc/

[img]http://i58.fastpic.ru/big/2013/1029/95/7716c7d1e3ee034bbc6d8bdc6a654095.jpg[/img]

Cobra design is based on simple common sense over which nobody has copyright.

The original design is owned by Russia since 1950, called BTR-152....actually Turkey is the copy cat

http://survincity.com/2011/08/reincarnation-btr-152-bpm-97-the-shot/

Are you being serious?

A 4X4 vehical with a roof is a copy of a 6X6 open roof vehical?

New levels of delusion have been reached

Msauza:


Surely it is now evident that proforce is still one of those struggling companies as it can be clearly seen by how they are producing their armoured cars using old 1800 method. Go to any plant of Denel and see the kind of technology they are using to produce vehicles. The robots are doing welding and everything.

I was actually about to ask about that. Why is Nigeria's defence industry so backward by still using old outdated primitive snail pace technology of manufacturing armoured vehicles? The world has moved so fast.

agaugust:


Give us technical proof that it is low grade.



Proforce Nigeria produces world class military armoured vehicles comparable to world standards, tested and proven ballistic capabilities....our LAV products are superior to some American LAV of same class, we make better quality....better than even South Africa.

"“The Minister of Industry, Trade and Investment, Dr Olusegun Aganga, has been there; governors have been there and so many eminent people and they realised that the quality of our products vis-à-vis the quality of vehicles from Dubai and from the US are far better."

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/01/nigeria-produces-300-armoured-vehicles-annually/

Better?

How?

Provide stats or details.

No one gives a sh1t was some dindu from some unheard of nigerian defence company says. Give us technical details of how they are better

agaugust:


LOL....your story is a lie, so you are wasting your time

"The Nigerian Army has described as untrue media reports that 105 soldiers were missing after deadly attack by the Boko Haram insurgents."


http://dailypost.ng/2015/11/20/105-soldiers-not-missing-in-borno-army-spokesman/

SANDF runs when they hear the word...S..E..L..E..K..A

Lol

The usual propaganda from your military

agaugust:


Eben Barlows tactics are the exact opposite of SANDF hosted AMANI.

BTWN....Israel trained more Nigerian COIN troops than Eben, not to mention 5,000 trained by Russia and Pakistan for Nigeria's COIN brigade
.

how are Barlows tactics the exact opposit of AMANI?

Tell us how.

Why cant you Nigerians tell us how? We keep asking but you keep refusing to answer.

agaugust:


Chaka C2 is for your army, you are posting air force control room equipment.

See what your army Chaka C2 looks like when deployed on the battle field....

Chaka C2 system was used by SAAF before the army started using it mate!!

agaugust:


You posted a whole air force control room of many kinds of equipment that has NOTHING to do with Chaka c2.

The main purpose of Chaka C2 that we are debating about is AMANI II armies exercise of the AU, did you put a whole air force control room including air traffic control equipment into one MRAP and carried it to the battlefield?

The Chaka C2 in question is the brigade level vehicle mobile unit used for AMANI exercise.....

Dude!!! Chaka has both Static and mobile contol rooms, like seen inside command mamba and ratel.

agaugust:


Go see tactics videos from FLINTLOCK 2015 exercise hosted by Chad, even the US military was praising Chad for the relevant training theatres provided despite Chad being financially poor compared to a gold and platinum rich buy mentally poor South Africa.

Ok dude!! So you know more than your own military commanders?

agaugust:






Proforce is posting a photo of their own look-alike of the Cobra under development, the windows and lights are different, true they used a Cobra photo as layout, but no big deal in that.

No copyright issue, the design is not peculiar to Turkey, as Russia has a similar APC design looking like a Cobra.

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bpm-97-apc/

Turkey actually copied an old Russian year 1950design called BTR-152 http://survincity.com/2011/08/reincarnation-btr-152-bpm-97-the-shot/

Proforce Nigeria is right with that design, or you wanna arrest Russia first for a simple common sense design of BPM-97 APC?

You Southies just wanna accuse Nigeria's 100% owned and fast growing defence industry just because we finally exposed the European ownership of 90% of South African defence industry.

#WRECKED SOUTH AFRICAN ENVY LOADED ARGUMENT.

When we say Nigerians are intellectually lazy, we mean it and the evidence is in your proforce and your own words. So, do you mean that you take cobra as it is and only change the front screen to a square because you can't even cut out the same shape of original cobra wind screen. It will prove difficult to your technicians. The square is a lot easier isn't? If you had the skills you would have copied it exactly the way it is, but now because the front will prove difficult for proforce, they had to change it to simple shape.

Have you even considered that square wind screen will make driving very uncomfortable especially when you will have to look to the sides. The shape will surely have to slung to the sides and that is not negotiable because I study engineering.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kerryadolan/2015/11/18/africas-50-richest-2015-south-african-tycoons-overtake-nigerians-amid-economic-weakness/




Africa's 50 Richest 2015: South African Tycoons Overtake Nigerians Amid Economic Weakness

South Africans made the best showing on the Africa’s richest list this year, occupying 16 spots, up from 11 last year. Nigerians had a smaller representation, with 10 members of the list, down from 13. Eight members hail from Morocco, 7 from Egypt, 3 from Tanzania and 3 from Kenya. There was one each from Algeria, Angola and Uganda.

DieVluit:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kerryadolan/2015/11/18/africas-50-richest-2015-south-african-tycoons-overtake-nigerians-amid-economic-weakness/




Africa's 50 Richest 2015: South African Tycoons Overtake Nigerians Amid Economic Weakness

South Africans made the best showing on the Africa’s richest list this year, occupying 16 spots, up from 11 last year. Nigerians had a smaller representation, with 10 members of the list, down from 13. Eight members hail from Morocco, 7 from Egypt, 3 from Tanzania and 3 from Kenya. There was one each from Algeria, Angola and Uganda.

We devalued our currency dummy. We will always be ahead of you.

iblawi:


We devalued our currency

Exactly.

Wiped away value from your already valueless currency.

End of story.

agaugust:






Proforce is posting a photo of their own look-alike of the Cobra under development, the windows and lights are different, true they used a Cobra photo as layout, but no big deal in that.

No copyright issue, the design is not peculiar to Turkey, as Russia has a similar APC design looking like a Cobra.

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bpm-97-apc/

Turkey actually copied an old Russian year 1950design called BTR-152 http://survincity.com/2011/08/reincarnation-btr-152-bpm-97-the-shot/

Proforce Nigeria is right with that design, or you wanna arrest Russia first for a simple common sense design of BPM-97 APC?

You Southies just wanna accuse Nigeria's 100% owned and fast growing defence industry just because we finally exposed the European ownership of 90% of South African defence industry.

#WRECKED SOUTH AFRICAN ENVY LOADED ARGUMENT.

Go tell that nonsense to someone who actually will take you seriously.

You wrecked no one accept yourself. It has been proven the pic is fake.

Your problem DEAL WITH IT FRAUD

90% of what name them.

Denel own 100% of BAE land systems

Denel is 100% gov owned company.

Rheimatall is 49% owned by Denel.

You run to US/Europe for all things military. Your Buhari with his begging bowl were kicked in his face with the LEAHY LAW by the US Senate earlier this year.

Currently you are the laughing stock of africa.

Augubugu use your photo shop skills and go help find your lost soldiers and T-72.

agaugust:


Give us technical proof that it is low grade.



Proforce Nigeria produces world class military armoured vehicles comparable to world standards, tested and proven ballistic capabilities....our LAV products are superior to some American LAV of same class, we make better quality....better than even South Africa.

"“The Minister of Industry, Trade and Investment, Dr Olusegun Aganga, has been there; governors have been there and so many eminent people and they realised that the quality of our products vis-à-vis the quality of vehicles from Dubai and from the US are far better."

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/01/nigeria-produces-300-armoured-vehicles-annually/

Your opinion liar.

Go tell this crap to the average village I.diot.

Show us that it is better then an Nyala

So its superior to th Oshkosh also.

You are truly an delusional young man.

agaugust:

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[size=14pt] Africa's current most battle tested army wrecks Boko Haram ![/size]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toom3kZPIKc

South African army should come learn real war in Northern Nigeria, too much sleep makes SANDF fat
.

Its hard when you try and revitalize a dying horse shame.

I feel you shame you'll have to come up with something better.

105/2015 should be your new military name tag

U

iblawi:


We devalued our currency dummy. We will always be ahead of you.

lol...ja neh

snydergp1st:


Its hard when you try and revitalize a dying horse shame.

I feel you shame you'll have come up with something better.

105/2015 should be your military's new name tag

Man you really need to work on your English, especially the punctuation aspect. Your write-up bears a lot of similarities with that of a someone who is just learning how to write.

agaugust:


Give us technical proof that it is low grade.



Proforce Nigeria produces world class military armoured vehicles comparable to world standards, tested and proven ballistic capabilities....our LAV products are superior to some American LAV of same class, we make better quality....better than even South Africa.

"“The Minister of Industry, Trade and Investment, Dr Olusegun Aganga, has been there; governors have been there and so many eminent people and they realised that the quality of our products vis-à-vis the quality of vehicles from Dubai and from the US are far better."

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/01/nigeria-produces-300-armoured-vehicles-annually/

Nigeria is still so stupidd that they call ordinary bulletproofed car an armoured vehicle. South Africa produces thousands of such cars annually for local and external market.

Okay, enough of all this trading of abuses on this thread. I didn't join this thread to learn how evil the SA police are, or how corrupt the Nigeria police can be sometimes. I already know that.
So let's stop all this trivialities and unnecessary insults that are derailing this thread.
Let's get back to business and keep those educating and entertaining military pics and videos flowing.

iblawi:


We devalued our currency dummy. We will always be ahead of you.

Countries devalue their currencies out of pressure of defending their shrinking external reserves. It is not a voluntary practise because it affects citizens wealth in value.

Msauza:


Countries devalue their currencies out of pressure of defending their shrinking external reserves. It is not a voluntary practise because it affects citizens wealth in value.

The only thing that matters is that we are always ahead of you.

agaugust:


I would say Proforce did not make an error, their own APC has different windows and lights compared to the Cobra, and btwn Russia is doing the same thing with their BPM-97 APC.....http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bpm-97-apc/

[img]http://i58.fastpic.ru/big/2013/1029/95/7716c7d1e3ee034bbc6d8bdc6a654095.jpg[/img]

Cobra design is based on simple common sense over which nobody has copyright.

The original design is owned by Russia since 1950, called BTR-152....actually Turkey is the copy cat

http://survincity.com/2011/08/reincarnation-btr-152-bpm-97-the-shot/

I can assure you, it was an error. There vehicle is much much better than the Otokar cobra.

Xbee007:

Man you really need to work on your English, especially the punctuation aspect. Your write-up bears a lot of similarities with that of a someone who is just learning how to write.

Oh I see another one of the Pigeon English police brigade.

I will write in the way I deem fit on this thread. This is a forum you fool or must I write a thesis in punctual English so as to please you.

You don't know me so let's just leave this one aside and go suck on your Queen Elizabeth's *ass.

Henry240:


I can assure you, it was an error. There vehicle is much much better than the Otokar cobra.

Can you explain the above statement please.

snydergp1st:


Can you explain the above statement please.

It is clear enough.

The Proforce ARA or Thunder MRAP currently under-development is better than the Otokar Cobra.

I'm currently staring at the photo of the vehicle and specifications in my laptop, i just can't extract the image.