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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by forgiveness: 4:31pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
Shymm3x: Thank you sir, you've really done well to dig out these talented players for the world to know that Yorubas will always perform better on a level playing field. I have been following the progress of these players I highlighted for the past 6-7 years now. I remembered when nicky Ajose moved from Manchester United to Bury on loan, he eventually became the highest goal scorer for his club and his goals led Bury to promotion making him the hottest under 20 Nigerian player at that time but as usual he was ignored. The thing pain me die. I remembered when Liverpool beat off competition from top Europe's clubs to sign Sheyi Ojo from Milton Keyness Don with undisclosed fees believed to be in the region of $2 million. When he was just 14 years old. He is now one of the key players in wolverhampton-wanderers-fc in the Championship but as usual they will prefer an academy player(Alex Iwobi) to a Championship player. that is Nigeria for you oo. Bobby Adekanye was formerly an Ajax academy player before he was lured to Spain by Barcelona at the age of 12. I even saw his skills on YouTube at the age of 12, it was awesome to see an 11 years old boy displayed such abundant skills. He left Barcelona early this year for Liverpool because of FIFA sanction on Barca for under age transfers. He is also a left footed player like Sheyi Ojo. This one too no go enter Nigeria team due to....... 2 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 5:27pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
interloper: forgiveness: @forgiveness . . . .quite an very interesting expose you threw up there, giving us a live commentary so to say of how our boys have faired internationally nee the UK but get next to nothing in recognition or call up back home and again a shout out to @shymex for digging out this names and clubs which certainly has given us an in-depth pattern of how this dirty behind the scenes football politics is being played out repeatedly for all to see and with all her inherent tribal undertones on full display. So how then do we correlate this abundance of talents from a certain part of the country and they are literally extinct when it comes to playing for our national teams? I am not subscribing that home based players should be ignored but a medley of home based and foreign based players will certainly help in cross fertilisation of skills, keeping the spirit of brotherhood and friendship alive by playing with team mates from across diverse background which will certainly help in no small way in killing the feeling of mistrust we have for one another in this country and foster more unity. . . . . . . But a situation where xyz tribe is continuously being featured and headlining all soccer events again ain't cool, after all football in Nigeria still remains a rallying point for all Nigerian citizens and as such team selection should be sacrosanct in my own opinion, so we all get a sense of belonging and a good vehicle for the young ones to know they will always be welcome within the sporting community devoid of all those national fault lines we try so hard to hide like it's never in existence in the first instance. 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 6:00pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
interloper:Has it ever occurred to you that Yorubas overseas dnt mke d national team cut because of their long stay overseas sometimes up to four generations which mke dem have mre affinity for d English national team over the Nigerian one |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 6:23pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
Shymm3x/forgiveness/interloper speaking of Dele Alli who plays for Tottenham,quality midfielder anytime anyday.He used to be with MK Dons before he moved to Tottenham for 5m pounds.Scored 16 goals for MK Dons last season helping them secure promotion to the championship and he has played for England U17, U18 and U19 teams. Tottenham are even trying to offer him a new bumper deal Early this year,John fashanu tried to lure him to the Nigerian National team but we haven't heard anything since then This one fit no enter National team due to....... Lets see whether Oliseh will pull another keshi on us |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Ritchiee: 6:28pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
anonimi:Read this and you would know what I meant...pls,don't argue with the Mulikah thingy. I still respect Jonathan,though.He was a real gentleman... https://mobile.facebook.com/TheYorubaPeople/posts/296047743834554 |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 6:34pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
SexyKaycee: You just might have a point but am not down with it just yet though . . . .most of those lads whose names featured up here would most likely not play for the British national team not because they are not fab enough but that's entirely another gist, but they would certainly like to play for their second country, Nigeria in this case. . . . .if i may ask you in return, how did you arrive at your findings though? Did the Nigerian Football academy reach out to them and they declined? Am sure you most have heard about David Alaba and his exploits . . . . . to think a few years ago he was in Nigerian for trials and he as expected never sailed thru (rolls eyes, another gist on itself) but now? his a national icon in the Austrian footballing circle and beyond . . . . the hero worship they give him is positively insane . . . . . . And am sure you would have heard about similar foreign based athletes who have suffered the same fate like this one . . . . as long as the the Nigerian sporting authorities don't keep their ears on the ground to discover and encourage new sporting talents, the best of them will continuously owe sporting allegiance wholly to their country of birth, and Nigeria most likely wouldn't be for most. If a private citizen like @forgiveness, @shymex can keep tab of this lads upward footballing career at a very young age, tell me what has stopped the Nigerian Soccer body from doing same and nudging them from time to time not to forget about playing for Nigerian sometime in their footballing career huh? . . . . ........and you and i know the reason for this if you wanna be honest? . . . . . . we never plan long term to build a culture of repository of talent pool to use if and when needed rather we are stuck in our fire brigade attitude to getting the job done and we fail again and again and blame everyone but ourselves regarding preparation. No Sir, I utterly disagree with your "generational excuse" . . . . ., with that list and believe there's more, if they are approached am sure well over 50% will jump at the opportunity to fly the Nigerian colour if we encourage and reach out to them formally and agree on a "practical working and rewarding terms and conditions' . . . .they will give us their best after all. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by angiography(m): 6:39pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
modath:lol... |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 6:39pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
SexyKaycee: Like when David Alaba & Adebayor were rejected by Nigeria? ? ? They play politics in Naija sports. Edited 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 6:47pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
THE FULL SQUAD Goalkeepers: Vincent Enyeama (Lille OSC, France); Carl Ikeme (Wolverhampton Wanderers, England); Ikechukwu Ezenwa (Sunshine Stars); Femi Thomas (Enyimba FC) Defenders: Leon Balogun (FSV Mainz 05, Germany); Abdullahi Shehu (Uniao da Madeira, Portugal); Elderson Echiejile (AS Monaco, France); Chima Akas (Sharks FC); Godfrey Oboabona (Caykur Rizespor, Turkey); William Troost Ekong (FK Haugesund, Norway); Kenneth Omeruo (Kasimpasa SK, Turkey); Austin Oboroakpo (Abia Warriors) Midfielders: Ogenyi Onazi (SS Lazio, Italy); Paul Onobi (Sunshine Stars); Obiora Nwankwo (Coimbra FC, Portugal); John Mikel Obi (Chelsea FC, England); Rabiu Ibrahim (AS Trencin, Slovakia) Forwards: Ahmed Musa (CSKA Moscow, Russia); Emmanuel Emenike (Al Ain, UAE); Sylvester Igbonu (FC UFA, Russia); Moses Simon (KAA Gent, Belgium); Victor Moses (West Ham United, England); Odion Ighalo (Watford FC, England); Prince Aggrey (Sunshine St) As at the last call up, there were only 2 Yorubas on the list One thing I can deduce from this list is that majority of the players are from the South-south and Oliseh is also from the South-south Hmmmn Co-incidence? Where's Tunde Adeniji who plays for Sunshine stars? If Onobi is on the list, how come this guy wasn't invited? Where's Adeshina Gata of Kwara united? Where's Oladele Eweje of Shooting Stars? Where is Nojeem Raji of Giwa FC? 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by anonimi: 6:51pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
Ritchiee: Sorry sir but that Facebook post is mostly the ranting of someone who was affected by the sack of Aviation ministry people trying to wrap baseless sentimental things around it. Two of the three main ministers responsible for Jonathan's socio-economic TRANSFORMATION are Yorubas, Adesina & Aganga. Is that not so? Why would you support someone talking about JUICY appointments to "empower" Yorubas, which is clearly a CORRUPTION mentality Should we not be focused on having COMPETENT people who can impact their areas of public responsibility? Abi how do we make progress as a country? The ongoing discussion on Eagles selection is not about "juicy" appointments or is it 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by MayorofLagos(m): 7:18pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
interloper: ....become the decision maker! |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 7:28pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
anonimi: Just to draw your attention more to my own opinion regarding this eagles selection thingy, from where am looking at things am not driving my points from the prism of "juicy appointments" just to let you know for starters. I believe in the truism of fair play, fair representation and giving every one an opportunity to contribute regardless of race, creed, tribe to unleash their God given talents especially in the sporting fields, but if i were to take more than a pedestrian look at available records past and present as per team selection and others, am sure for a truly discerning mind what comes to fore is the predominance of a certain part of the country constantly hardlining our footballing tournaments . . . . . . And for others asking questions about this skewed selection, you seem to be in a hurry Sir to label them as another run of the mill folks advocating for juicy appointments for their kindred thereby relegating merit to the background, which i most reiterate is not the premise of my own points . . . . . |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 7:35pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
[size=14pt]Osun unveils Wole Soyinka High School, Monday[/size] OSOGBO—Osun State Government will on Monday, November 23, 2015, unveil the newly completed High School in Ejigbo, Ejigbo Local Government Area of the state. The new school, named after Nobel Laureate, Prof. Wole Soyinka, is a magnificent three-in-one school, which has the capacity for 3,000 pupils. The Monday commissioning of the school, marks the first of such high school facilities in the state having commissioned schools in the other lower categories of the mega-schools being built by the Rauf Aregbesola administration. The government had earlier commissioned the Salvation Government Middle School, Alekuwodo, Osogbo, Baptist Elementary Government School, Ilare, Ile-Ife as well as the Ansar-rul-Deen Government Elementary School, Isale Osun, Osogbo. Already, more than 50 schools in the elementary and middle school classification have been completed and put to use across the state. A statement by the Director, Bureau of Communication and Strategy in the Office of the Governor, Mr. Semiu Okanlawon, said the unveiling of the new school is in furtherance of the determined implementation of the report of the 2011 education summit organised by the state government which identified the multiform problems and rots standing in the way of functional education in Nigeria. http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/11/osun-unveils-wole-soyinka-high-school-monday/ |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 8:11pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
CabbieAC: Of cos their are lotta questions begging for answers as per Nigerian and her constituents parts and of cos how we want to conduct our journey of Nationhood. My grouse with this "marginalisation tea party crew" is . . . . . when the system favours them albeit temporary, merit is the trump up card and if otherwise they use the "marginalisation" card to play victim . . . . Why am i saying this now? as per the football gist we are on about, it's definitely paying them and they are singing to the gallery that they are the best and achieved all this constantly by merit (rolls eyes again) but when the next tribalist crew come on board and snuff them all out, bringing his own tribe on board . . . .then we all gonna hear the songs of Armageddon again that xyz tribe is still being marginalised from Nigerian soccer because they are God's given gift to Nigeria and they have always produced the best footballers since the time of John the Baptist! |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 8:12pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
shizzy7: It's not a connection about them having Yoruba names - they're pure Yorubas like the other Yoruba subgroups. However, due to how ridiculously dumb and illiterate those who created the different geopolitical zones in Nigeria, or perhaps due to politics - they were zoned with the Northern region. The same way they created a "South South" region that doesn't exist in geography. Hopefully, when Nigeria is restructured - they will be zoned with other Yorubas into one region. While the Baribas, Igbirras, and Nupes would get zoned to Middle Belt with Igalas, Jukuns, Idomas, and all the other groups that used to be part of the Kwararafa kingdom. Then the Itsekiris would also be zoned to joined Yorubas - while the Ijaws and Edos in Ondo would go the other way. |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 8:15pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
tevinsolt: Hopefully, you'll kick start it by educating us about ya state. The plight of the Yorubas there. Performance of ya governor. Etc.. |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 8:15pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
Shymex what do you think about Katz's opinion? |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 8:25pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
Katsumoto: I kind of think when we talk about Yoruba states and the performances of the governors, ditto potentials - we seldom talk about them. They're like the forgotten coast in hiphop - the mid-west (Chicago, Indiana, Ohio, and St. Louis). Or when folks talk about the East Coast - but focus only on New York and New Jersey, not knowing that DC, Philly, Connecticut, and Maryland (to an extent) are also part of the East Coast. And when folks talk about West Coast, and focus on LA and the Bay area, not knowing that Arizona is also part of the West Coast. We can throw questions out about their states and tag those we know are from those states to educate us on what's going on. |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by anonimi: 8:26pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
interloper: You completely misread my comment about the Eagles selection as it aligns fully with what you wrote above. Please read my post again. Thanks |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 8:31pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
CabbieAC: Sir Aareonakakanfo, I just answered Emeritus Prof. Katz's question. Now to football - this is going to get interesting. |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 8:31pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
ProfShymex: I suppose that should be a good starting point, have always being fascinated about Kwara/Kogi states axis and hurts to find out many of the youngsters out there even on social media platforms tend not too overly celebrate socioeconomic activities in those states more often, i do know more than enough but then would be nice if we are constantly informed about whats up in that hood in other not to mentally ascribe it that it's just another Northern State in Nigeria, they are mostly of Yoruba extraction after all. Like someone opined on earlier threads it will be nice to have on board more folks from those states to come enlighten and broaden our information base about recent developments and happenings for yonder. |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 8:33pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
ProfShymex:
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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 8:39pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
anonimi: Apologies . . . .i still had this football thingy in my system . . . .thought we were still on a "walking conversation" in that regard but good to know i arrived at a point we can still agree on and even funnily enough covered your concluding narrative on the way forward swell . . . . . 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 8:46pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
forgiveness: I basically just listed the teens - I didn't even include the ones in their early twenties playing for Championship clubs. The likes of Semi Ajayi, Tom Taiwo, Tope Obadeyi, Sanmi Odelusi, Sammy Ameobi, Rashid Yussuff, Ade Azeez et al. Tosin Adarabioyo is also supremely talented and he's being touted to replace Kompany in future. He's the captain of the Man City U-18 team. Ditto the likes of Fikayo Tomori, Marc Bola, Toby Omole, Dennis Adeniran, and Gabriel Osho. So the question is: if footballers of Yoruba descent are so talented outside the shores of Nigeria, how come Yorubas in Nigeria, where almost all Yorubas live, aren't coming through? Is it cos of the lack of talent, tribalism, or due to parents? We all know Yorubas can play football. Emmanuel Adebayor is Yoruba and he's one of the greatest strikers to ever come out of Africa and the greatest Togolese player ever. Even despite what he's going through now, he can walk into the Super Eagles team. David Alaba is the greatest and most decorated footballer of Nigerian descent. Maurice Edu is the only Nigerian player ever to be selected first overall pick by the MLS, from college. Moses Odubajo, Ola Aina, Dominic Solanke, and Dele Alli can walk straight into the current mediocre Super Eagles team. And the likes of Dennis Aogo and Sidney Sam are better than all the current players playing for Nigeria. All these guys are still active - yet Nigeria keeps selecting mediocre talents, with folks telling us that Yoruba can't play football. Why? I can pick a Yoruba all-star team that will whoop Super Eagles anywhere in Nigeria. |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 8:53pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
There's a certain Dominic Ayodele Solanke who plays for Vitesse. Nice CV if you ask me -UEFA European U-17 Championship Top Scorer: 2014 -England Youth Player of the Year: 2014 -UEFA Youth League Top Scorer: 2014–15 -Chelsea Academy Player of the Year: 2014–15 He's just 18 years old and the juicy thing here is that he's eligible to play for Nigeria Fikayo Tomori and Ola Aina are eligible as well How come we haven't thought of inviting him? |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 9:05pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
Shymex/forgiveness/interloper a lot of people try to downplay the tribalism aspect of it.I mentioned yesterday that tribalism plays a major role.I've sponsored friends for trials before and I know how things work During trials,these factors are very crucial -Money -Connection -Ability -Tribe In that order but one thing I'll also add is that the Yoruba talents out there find it difficult to get sponsorship and this is where I might have to agree with interloper.The average Yoruba parent is less willing to sponsor his Child compared to parents from other tribes |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 9:06pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
interloper: This is basically one of the reasons why I always think Yorubas will fare better alone, without Nigeria. And it's not just football - it's in every sector. I don't believe Nigeria will ever rise above mediocrity and the need to put national interests before ethnic/tribal interests. Nigeria is at least four times the population of most African countries, yet the country is mediocre in football. The only time they win laurels is when they cheat at U-17 level, with uncles playing against schoolboys. However, once it gets to U-20 level where cheating won't make much difference against kids that are between 18-20, they never win anything. All the way to senior level. Even the African championship that's a poor tournament - the likes of Egypt, Ghana, and Cameroon have won it more times than Nigeria. And these are small countries. Egypt can pick 11 players from its league to compete at the African championship and win it - that's how utter poor that tournament is. At world cup level, the likes of Cameroon, Senegal, and Ghana have been to the quarter finals stage - yet Nigeria has never gone past the 2nd round stage. Isn't it shameful for the most populated country in Africa? Just take a look at the mediocre players playing for the Super Eagles - apart from Ighodalo who has been scoring freely at Watford this season, the rest are bums. |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 9:09pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
CabbieAC: Dele Alli is supremely talented. I'm touting Sheyi Ojo to breakthrough as well cos they both came though the ranks at MK Dons. But it seems Sheyi Ojo is too focused on trying to be Beckham cos Dailymail gassed him. Thank God his parents have made him cut his fvcked up straight hair. He needs to focus on football - that boy can play. And he's only 18. |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 9:12pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
CabbieAC: Hmmmm. I think that might be the pattern. Igbo coaches select Igbo players. South South coaches select South South players. Yoruba coaches select Yoruba players. Hausa/Fulani coaches select Hausa/Fulani players. Yet they want to win laurels and some clowns will tell us that football unites Nigeria. Hysterical. |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 9:19pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
ProfShymex: I try as much as possible not to discuss the tribalism aspect so it won't appear like I'm playing victim but for how long are we going to keep hiding from the truth These things are obvious.Coaches will definitely favour players they have more chemistry with.Its like me going to another country for the first time and I see 5 nigerians and one of them is Yoruba.I'll definitely flow with him more because he speaks my language.Its just natural |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 9:24pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
CabbieAC: I certainly concur with you on so many levels, but this goes back to what i elaborated earlier and i quote if present day football administrators continue to promote some folks over another, they are more or less creating a mindset that good footballing can only come from x part of the country which we all know ain't true . . . . . .but again if a certain group have a dominant role in the playing career of this football teams, it's only goes to say future coaches, technical crew and administrators would again be chosen from this subset and thereby maintaining a jugular hold on football affairs, be able to determine selection, exit and entry criteria and of cos brand recognitions . . . . . . . . . This folks are literally planting their people out there so even if you meet up all the aforementioned malaise (money, connection, tribalism etc) they still have the final say even after a would be guardian of this talented young stars have fulfilled all "unrighteousness". Tough call if we are ever gonna see changes or perhaps we just continue to pray that young stars of yoruba extraction will continue to excel internationally and just maybe maybe . . . . .the society/folks will begin to ask questions why these boys have not being brought into the national team or something . . . . . .i hope they will be bold enough to tell the world they are not good enough why they were never invited . . . |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 9:31pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
CabbieAC: Oh well. But is it alright to allow tribalism/ethnocentrism affect the need to put forward the best to represent the country, so as to achieve a common goal? If France hadn't packed all kinds of African and Afro-caribbean players and other foreigners into its France 98 squad (I believe only two of the 23 were ethnic French) - would it have won the France 98 world cup? Despite the racism in the US - how come the country never allows racism get in the way when it comes to sports? This is why I think the ceiling for Nigeria will never be higher than any of the semi-functional third world countries - and all the groups are better off in the different countries. The whole diverging interests thingy affect every facet of Nigeria, from sports, to economy, to leadership, to entertainment, to resources etc.. |
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