Ritchiee:
Pls,let us see the international list.Not the ones helped by Nigerian sports politics....

We will create a thread instead.
No Igbo was helped by Nigerian sports politics.
As far as no governmental influence is needed, igbos dominate

IlekeHD:


Honestly, I came here thinking we can do something to change Yorubaland for the better. Is that so much to ask? Is it?

Ti awon eyan n ba n se ole kakiri, bawo la se le trust awon to wa nile pelu iyanju [effort] wa?

O su mi serious. Nigba ti mo ka tiredi yen, se ni mo fe be sukun. So pathetic.

Tiredi wo niyen?

interloper:


Can you pls gimme the narrative for Oba Kosoko of Lagos from your own perspective although his reign was short lived . . . . .he so happens to me my great great grand father but one of his several sons ( my great grand father) left the island to settle somewhere under present day Alimosho local government (will tell which village another time lol)but he ended up being an Awori man full time and by extension i am one as well . . . . he never returned to the island till he passed on . . . . . . . .

Thats why when they chant lagos is no man's land i celebrate their ignorance because of the rapid development Lagos endured having lost that "rural aura" but funny enough, this same crowd are quick to chant they are from London or New York or Houston forgetting that all this places evolved to become a full fledge cosmopolitan city over a very long period of time today but never consider same as no man's land . . .

Despite the many economic contribution the Irish have showered into Boston, Massachusetts you never hear em chanting no man's land ditto even the indians or the west indies/Caribbean's in London or even the Latinos in florida . . . . .me i tire for some people sense of reasoning though

I didnt live in his time but if i did i would have joined in his resistance army to fight Beecroft assault and invasion. He was feared and even though he repeatedly violated the accord of ceasefire and attacked Lagos many times from exile the ego and bragging rights of the British Navy was deeply dented on account.of their losses in battleships and sailors, as well as decorated officers when they bombarded Lagos in 1851.
There were accounts also of portuguese traders who had sailed from Lagos with human cargoes to Brazil and suffered loss and ended up indebted to Kosoko. They were so scared of returning without his full money that they got injunction from the courts for protection against his anger. John Beecroft, who had served as the Queen's Consul in foreign lands and used to being received with respect and parade, was taken aback at the reception he received from Oba of Lagos.

There is lots in his history. Yoruba kings of that time had white slaves...they did not see white man as a superior race. I dont know that this Oba kept white slaves or not but as bad as the Ijebus were and completely protective of their waters and access rights i would not be surprised the Awujale kept some white slaves. British navy had more resistance and headache with the Ijebus than they did with anyone else. I know Egbas threw criminals in prison, white or black, they could care less.

If those were the leaders we have today, minus slavery, wed be in good hands.

IlekeHD:


lol i don't even think of naija men anymore when it comes to romance. Talk less of bicycle seat shaped heads.

Let's forget this convo jor. MOL wants to dig and pry

Ayaaaaaaaaffffffff dieeeeeeeeeeeee. ...

I am an enabler aswear!!

tpiadotcom:


you will soon call Akwa Ibom Aqua Ibom.

Yeeeeeeeeeeee,!!!!!
Ive missed you, Ileke missed you, Aare missed you, shymmex has not eaten since last time he saw you.

modath:


Ayaaaaaaaaffffffff dieeeeeeeeeeeee. ...

I am an enabler aswear!!

You see! What did I tell you? Biafrans and Ileke roll like garri and groundnut...if you had one you distress at not having the other.

MayorofLagos:


I didnt live in his time but if i did i would have joined in his resistance army to fight Beecroft assault and invasion. He was feared and even though he repeatedly violated the accord of ceasefire and attacked Lagos many times from exile the ego and bragging rights of the British Navy was deeply dented on account.of their losses in battleships and sailors, as well as decorated officers when they bombarded Lagos in 1851.
There were accounts also of portuguese traders who had sailed from Lagos with human cargoes to Brazil and suffered loss and ended up indebted to Kosoko. They were so scared of returning without his full money that they got injunction from the courts for protection against his anger. John Beecroft, who had served as the Queen's Consul in foreign lands and used to being received with respect and parade, was taken aback at the reception he received from Oba of Lagos.

There is lots in his history. Yoruba kings of that time had white slaves...they did not see white man as a superior race. I dont know that this Oba kept white slaves or not but as bad as the Ijebus were and completely protective of their waters and access rights i would not be surprised the Awujale kept some white slaves. British navy had more resistance and headache with the Ijebus than they did with anyone else. I know Egbas threw criminals in prison, white or black, they could care less.

If those were the leaders we have today, minus slavery, wed be in good hands.

Many thanks again for taking me down memory lane .....we had a book bk home then in the 80's with authentic timelines and stories about Lagos and her Monarchy ...........if am not mistaken the book was called "The History of Lagos circa 1870 to circa 1980".

For the love of God i just don't know what became of that book unfortunately cos i would really love to lay hands on her again..... .......

interloper:


Many thanks again for taking me down memory lane .....we had a book bk home then in the 80's with authentic timelines and stories about Lagos and her Monarchy ...........if am not mistaken the book was called "The History of Lagos circa 1870 to circa 1980".

For the love of God i just don't know what became of that book unfortunately cos i would really love to lay hands on her again..... .......

Who was the author?

MayorofLagos:


I didnt live in his time but if i did i would have joined in his resistance army to fight Beecroft assault and invasion. He was feared and even though he repeatedly violated the accord of ceasefire and attacked Lagos many times from exile the ego and bragging rights of the British Navy was deeply dented on account.of their losses in battleships and sailors, as well as decorated officers when they bombarded Lagos in 1851.
There were accounts also of portuguese traders who had sailed from Lagos with human cargoes to Brazil and suffered loss and ended up indebted to Kosoko. They were so scared of returning without his full money that they got injunction from the courts for protection against his anger. John Beecroft, who had served as the Queen's Consul in foreign lands and used to being received with respect and parade, was taken aback at the reception he received from Oba of Lagos.

There is lots in his history. Yoruba kings of that time had white slaves...they did not see white man as a superior race. I dont know that this Oba kept white slaves or not but as bad as the Ijebus were and completely protective of their waters and access rights i would not be surprised the Awujale kept some white slaves. British navy had more resistance and headache with the Ijebus than they did with anyone else. I know Egbas threw criminals in prison, white or black, they could care less.

If those were the leaders we have today, minus slavery, wed be in good hands.

Greetings Mayor,

Could you be kind enough to provide some references wrt to the emboldened statement in your post.
I spend a lot of time in debates about Pan-Africanism, where I find myself challenging simplistic views about what once obtained, so I am always on the look-out for obscure facts which hardly get discussed.

P.S - Knowing how well versed you are about the landscape of Lagos Island, I am convinced that you would have no problems zeroing in on my matrilineal family tree

The history of a people determines their desires, expectations, and group behaviour as a people.  The Yoruba people have had a great history in the world.  About 500 years before the earliest European exploration of the coast of West Africa in about 1500 AD, or about 1000 years before the coming of British imperialism in about 1900 AD, the Yoruba had built a rich and sophisticated urban civilization – the most advanced urban civilization in the history of Black Africa.

Upholding this urban civilization was a great economic culture – sophisticated and highly productive agriculture, rich manufactures and crafts, and great commerce with tentacles reaching into most parts of tropical Africa. Yoruba trading colonies existed in the lands of the Upper Niger (modern Mauritania, Gambia, Senegal and Mali), in all coastal lands of West Africa, in the towns of the Hausa, Nupe and Kanuri, all the way to parts of the Upper Nile and the headwaters of the Congo. In a large part of West Africa, the Yoruba language was the language of commerce. A senior French missionary who visited much of the West African coast between 1634 and 1640 wrote that the Yoruba language “is universally used in these parts, just like Latin in Europe”.

Inside Yorubaland itself, large towns flourished. The first Europeans to enter into the Yoruba interior (a group of explorers in 1825-6), wrote that “large towns at the distance of only a few miles from each other” characterized the whole of Yorubaland, and that most of the towns were “densely inhabited” and were “clean habitations”.  The approach to almost every town was “through an avenue of noble trees”, and in each town, public places were abundantly decorated with works of art, especially sculptures. These explorers added that the Yoruba people “have a genius for the art of sculpture…and some of their productions rival, in point of delicacy, any of a similar kind…in Europe”.

The whole country was connected by a cobweb of well-kept and safe roads, protected by the governments of the kings. Where necessary, armed guards sent by the kings accompanied caravans of traders. On these roads, large numbers of traders and their porters were on the move at all times, day and night, usually in caravans numbering hundreds of people. A European missionary wrote that, near Ibadan in 1854, he travelled with a caravan that numbered over 4000 persons.  An American missionary who travelled extensively in Yorubaland about the same time, wrote that if caravans happened to merge, “imposing numbers” of people stretched “over several miles in length” across  the countryside. Along roads throughout the country, there were, wrote the 1825-6 explorers, “rich plantations of yams”, “extensive plantations of corn and plantains”, “plantations of cotton”, many “acres of indigo”, etc. In their summary, they wrote that the Yoruba people were “an industrious race”.

Every town had large marketplaces, each heavily crowded when in session. A Dutch trader who visited some of the marketplaces between 1702 and 1712 recorded that there were, “without exaggeration more than six thousand” people in one marketplace. In one large town, the 1825-6 explorers counted seven marketplaces. In parts of the country, some marketplaces specialized in night-time trading. One American explorer wrote that the goods produced in “the Mediterranean and Western European coast…and the productions of the four quarters of the globe” could be found in every Yoruba marketplace.


Over all this order and prosperity, kings (or Obas) of the many Yoruba kingdoms reigned. The Yoruba founded their first kingdom (the Ife kingdom) in about 900AD; and between that date and 1600AD, they founded over 70 kingdoms more. In about 1600, one of their kingdoms, the kingdom of Oyo-Ile, expanded its territories, conquered many non-Yoruba peoples, and established the largest empire in West Africa.

The political system of the Yoruba was considerably democratic. An Oba’s government was government by a council of chiefs – the chiefs being representatives of the extended family groups (or lineages) of the royal city. Apart from the lineages, society in each town was organized into many associations. The whole system made each town a home of peace and order, of enterprise, of commerce, of entertainments, of large and colourful festivals. The 1825-6 explorers wrote that the Yoruba people were a peaceful people who loved order, who had great respect for the law, who had a lot of self-respect, and who were generally clean in their clothing and in their personal appearances. They recorded that, unlike in other parts of Africa, they could not persuade any Yoruba young men to carry their older explorers for them in a hammock, for any amount of pay whatsoever. When approached for this, Yoruba boys always answered that that was “a task fit only for horses”.

Living in these systems and conditions made the average Yoruba person a freedom-loving – and a fashion-loving – individual. In meetings at every level in the system, the guiding principle was that everybody had full freedom to speak – that everybody, young or old, “has some wisdom to contribute”. All the world over, kings are succeeded by their offspring – usually their first child – and the citizens have no voice in the matter. In contrast, the Yoruba select their Obas from the pool of princes. All the people of the lineage compounds, in open lineage meetings, selected the chiefs.

All these made the Yoruba person a very confident person – confident in his person, confident in society, accustomed to being respected by those who ruled over him. Yoruba women enjoyed more respect than women in most other cultures. The fact that Yoruba women controlled most of the enormous trade of their country contributed to making them free and enterprising, and made them control much more of their country’s wealth than women in most cultures in the world.

The above, briefly, is a sketch of where the Yoruba have come from. To understand Yoruba behaviour in the affairs of Nigeria, one must understand these things. In the politics of Nigeria, the Yoruba may look “disunited”, but in reality, they are solidly united in their ideals and purposes.

So, what do the Yoruba want for themselves and for Nigeria? First, the Yoruba want governments that are dedicated to the welfare and prosperity of their people. That is why the Western Regional government of the Awolowo era – 1952-62, is revered among Yoruba people today – and will probably be revered forever.

Secondly, the Yoruba individual wants to be free in society, and to be able to make political choices and express himself freely. That is why Yoruba people usually look as if they are divided in the political life of Nigeria. But they are not divided; they are only more democratic than most other peoples.

Thirdly, the Yoruba person desires that the rulers of his society should respect him. That is why Yoruba people always feel insulted and very angry when powerful politicians come and rig their votes at elections. It is why Yoruba people have put up most of the violent responses to the rigging of elections in the history of Nigeria.

Fourthly, the Yoruba person wants to feel free to practice any religion of his own choice without molestation by anybody. That is why Yoruba people of all religions are very nervous about the perpetual Islamic radicalism from the Northern Region.

Fifthly, Yoruba people strongly desire an orderly country. They therefore want the various nations of Nigeria, large or small, to be given due recognition and respect, and they want that the constitution of Nigeria should enshrine such recognition and respect. This is why the Yoruba elite have always advocated a rational federal structure for Nigeria – a federation based, as much as possible, on ethnically compact states, and in which the states will have the resources and constitutional powers to promote the development of their people. It is also why, though the Yoruba enjoy population strength and many other kinds of strength in Nigeria, they have never desired to dominate any other nation or to dominate the whole of Nigeria. Their rich civilization teaches them to despise any notion of ethnic domination, or any claim of ethnic dominance, as uttermost folly, a kind of destructive folly that endangers any nation that holds it, and that will ultimately make Nigeria unworkable and impossible to keep together.

Finally, the Yoruba desire that individual Nigerians should be free and safe to live and do business anywhere in Nigeria. That is why they smoothly welcome very many non-Yoruba immigrants in their homeland. The Yoruba always give careful respect to other people in whose land they go to trade or do business, and they expect other people who come to trade or do business in their land to respect them also.

The Yoruba are strongly united around these principles. Leaders may come and go, but the generality of Yoruba people remain united over what they love and desire.

OnReflection:


Greetings Mayor,

Could you be kind enough to provide some references wrt to the emboldened statement in your post.
I spend a lot of time in debates about Pan-Africanism, where I find myself challenging simplistic views about what once obtained, so I am always on the look-out for obscure facts which hardly get discussed.

P.S - Knowing how well versed you are about the landscape of Lagos Island, I am convinced that you would have no problems zeroing in on my matrilineal family tree

Greetings pardner.
Mayor is not in the business of providing references on Sunday. You can be patient till Monday, perchance my mood will be brightened by the prospects of making some gains in trade and in the delirium of such resulting joy have the spirit to oblige this request.

A lot of women can be so ugly without make-up...dammit.

If not for make-up, men will naturally be better looking than women.

Just came back from the park from jogging, just to keep myself warm and get cold out of my system. And you need to see the two women I saw there. Body = tight. But face without make-up =

And you'll see them later in the day looking supremely beautiful after all kinds of make-up.

Kicking off today with the great Fela Kuti - my hero.

Water no get enemy, just as Yoruba no get enemy.

Beef with Yoruba, and you'll be the biggest loser.

Leggo!!!

Fela Kuti!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQBC5URoF0s

Shymmex,
I hear Seriake Dickson, Bayelsa Governor, said his late mother is Ijebu. Is this true?.

IlekeHD:
What's Dare Adesope experience?

Is he just another mechanic?

My people, please begin to question these so called leaders. Hope they're not there to chop.

IyaIode:

Good question.

IlekeHD/Iyalode,

While I know little more than what has been published in the press about this new political/paramilitary outfit, I am going encourage everyone to be circumspect rather than dismissive about what they represent. We need them.

The Higher National Diploma (HND) holder and former general secretary to Faseun lamented that his group had to break-away because it dawned on them that the crisis may never be resolved.

InyinyaAgbaOku:
We will create a thread instead. No Igbo was helped by Nigerian sports politics. As far as no governmental influence is needed, igbos dominate

Pls,do...

MayorofLagos:


Greetings pardner.
Mayor is not in the business of providing references on Sunday. You can be patient till Monday, perchance my mood will be brightened by the prospects of making some gains in trade and in the delirium of such resulting joy have the spirit to oblige this request.

Understood. A ki kanju labe gbona - My request can wait.

ProfShymex:
Kicking off today with the great Fela Kuti - my hero.

Water no get enemy, just as Yoruba no get enemy.

Beef with Yoruba, and you'll be the biggest loser.

Leggo!!!

Fela Kuti!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQBC5URoF0s

Thanks for posting this.
That's my playlist sorted for today.

ProfShymex:
A lot of women can be so ugly without make-up...dammit.

If not for make-up, men will naturally be better looking than women.

Just came back from the park from jugging, just to keep myself warm and get cold out of my system. And you need to see the two women I saw there. Body = tight. But face without make-up =

And you'll see them later in the day looking supremely beautiful after all kinds of make-up.

A wise man once told me if the last money on woman is 5pounds, youd think she will pinch and stretch it on food till she gets more money....No! She will enter a boutique and two hours later she will reappear, minus 5pounds. The first sucker she bats eyelashes at will be sponsoring her feed the entire week!

The power of deceipt!

MayorofLagos:
Shymmex,
I hear Seriake Dickson, Bayelsa Governor, said his late mother is Ijebu. Is this true?.

I don't know if it's his mother, or someone in his ancestry, however, I saw a thread about him visiting Awujale - with claims about having Ijebu ancestry via someone in his family tree. And it seems he's connected to the Fidipote family - Ijebu royalty.

It's plausible cos Ijebus traders of yore sold clothes and other wares all over the Niger Delta region. And apparently, there are Ijebu influences in Ijaw culture and vice versa. I know of the Nembe Ijaw of rivers and their traditional clothes being of Ijebu influence. I created a thread about it in the culture section under one of my old handles.

Dickson visits Awujale’s Palace, traces root to Fidipote family
GOVERNOR Seriake Dickson of Bayelsa State yesterday paid a courtesy visit to the Awujale of Ijebuland, in Ogun State, Oba Sikiru Adetona, saying he is related to the Fidipote Ruling House of Ijebuland.

The governor who was accompanied by some members of his family and commissioners arrived the Awujale’s Palace at 12: 23pm.

Dickson, whose great grandmother Bola was a daughter of Oba Fidipote said they “have come to identify with their royal line” not only to make their great grandmother feel fulfilled where she is, but also to foster greater bond of royal affinity.

He said:”this visit is a very important one for me at personal level and for members of my family to reconnect with our kiths and kin back home here in Ijebu, but beyond that it is also shows that in the end, we are all one people. A lot of people would think how can a man from the heart of the Niger Delta be so closely connected to the heart of the Yoruba nation, that is Ijebuland.
http://thenationonlineng.net/dickson-visits-awujales-palace-traces-root-fidipote-family/

This is a picture of Seriake Dickson at the Ojude Oba festival this year:

OnReflection:


Thanks for posting this.
That's my playlist sorted for today.

Lool.

Fela Kuti!

Ilaje44:


Iro o, panther ke? Ekun ni panther/Leopard. Ko si Tiger l'Afrika.

Fox ni Yoruba npe ni AKATA.

As far as I know, you are absolutely correct.

@All, given that these terms - "akata" and "ireke" - are now considered offensive by our once displaced kindred; should we not refrain from using them altogether?

Hey shymmex,
Rememberbthat jazz selectionbyou had last week or so..? Was that online radio or youtube subacription?

That melody was intoxicating bro!

mayoroflagos

This is the Fidipote Mr. Dyckson (who the hell gave him this name? - loool) is connected to:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/3001814_106855556410139960045929168854782223139151n_jpeg940f11bd52d37faeb00079e5ae556bef

ProfShymex:


I don't know if it's his mother, or someone in his ancestry, however, I saw a thread about him visiting Awujale - with claims about having Ijebu ancestry via someone in his family tree. And it seems he's connected to the Fidipote family - Ijebu royalty.

It's plausible cos Ijebus traders of yore sold clothes and other wares all over the Niger Delta region. And apparently, there are Ijebu influences in Ijaw culture and vice versa. I know of the Nembe Ijaw of rivers and their traditional clothes being of Ijebu influence. I created a thread about it in the culture section under one of my old handles.



This is a picture of Seriake Dickson at the Ojude Oba festival this year:

Oh wow!

Well, it is true now. Is it not?

MayorofLagos:
Hey shymmex,
Rememberbthat jazz selectionbyou had last week or so..? Was that online radio or youtube subacription?

That melody was intoxicating bro!

This is it (over two hours of soft jazz for you)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivJrE_Wory0

MayorofLagos:


Oh wow!

Well, it is true now. Is it not?

Yes, it's.

OnReflection:


As far as I know, you are absolutely correct.

@All, given that these terms - "akata" and "ireke" - are now considered offensive by our once displaced kindred; should we not refrain from using them altogether?

um , no, sorry to disappoint you but akata is not from Yoruba.

check Congo.

Ireke meaning sugar cane has nothing to do with the discussion. Both words have k in them but so does black.

MayorofLagos:


A wise man once told me if the last money on woman is 5pounds, youd think she will pinch and stretch it on food till she gets more money....No! She will enter a boutique and two hours later she will reappear, minus 5pounds. The first sucker she bats eyelashes at will be sponsoring her feed the entire week!

The power of deceipt!

Bwahahahahahaha

Women, fear women.

That's why we love them.

On the flip-side, if a man has £5 left on him and a woman ask for the £5 - he'll give it to her.

foyeks2001

My Osun sister, when are you going to bless this thread and form a bond with ya Osun brothers like: superstar1, zimoni, 9jacrip, tupacshakur, et al?

We need more females in here to spice things up.

Dude,
I just saw the Ojude Oba festival post from Sept. I love the diffetent fraternities and sororities and their colors....that was a show!

Where is ....who was asking about Kosoko earlier? Go and read about Kosoko and Fidipote and how they ganged up and almost succeed in banishing British from this land . What a coincidence, just talked about it.

So the Dyvkson must hisvfather name if the mother is from Ijebu.