Jarus:


I have never said there's no 'leg' in recruitment process. It is, and yes, quite rampant.

So should we now because of this not encourage them to put in their efforts? No.

Encourage people. Tell them their efforts can count. Don't write off their chances because they don't know anyone.

It is not as bad as portrayed by people.

Someone just entered thread and said "Shell have already known the people the people they wanted to take" regardless of performance in SRD. Apart from the fact that it is wrong, it is demoralizing.

And you cannot tell me every single person in NNPC got the job through a letter from minister or any other VIP. I told you the case of someone I brought to Lagos and accommodated who got NNPC job without knowing anyone. His brilliance and smartness worked for him. We lived under the same roof.

It is left for anyone to say whatever they want to say, but going to a war with the mindset that your effort will not count is dangerous, and telling people that is toxic.

Seriously, I agree that the mindset plays a huge role. I've seen and I know many unemployed but brilliant guys. Their problem? They're of the opinion that u need not apply for all these big coys as u ain't in without connection and this I disagree with 100%. Agreed. Connection plays a role in some instances. Luck plays a greater role but what I believe plays the greatest role is your smartness(I said smartness not brilliance.... I've met a lot of brilliant but not smart fellows. And those are the ones that will think a less brilliant but smart fellow getting a job is as a result of connection). Another factor is ur ability to really take on d odds. Leave ur comfort zone and go for what u want. They say there's unemployment in Nigeria, I say it's a lie. U just ain't smart enough. Want an example? How about u take a result from a top tier southern uni to the north? In the northeast right now, vacancies abound. Why not go there? Just about going for NYSC, why not ignore the fact that there's insecurity in the NE(no place is secure in Nigeria) and go there? There's a high probability of being retained after service... Don't also forget that the insurgency can't go on forever and @ d end, there'll be needs for reconstruction and all such.... More jobs. Also, with d exploratory activities going on in d chad basin, why not resettle? Were I an investor, walahi I'll apply the contrarian strategy and invest heavily in the northeast. And insha Allah, I'll give my service to my fatherland in the northeast and I KNOW I'll get a job there. Summary? Whether u've got connections or not, There're jobs in Nigeria if u're smart and ready to brave d odds

Jarus:


I have never said there's no 'leg' in recruitment process. It is, and yes, quite rampant.

So should we now because of this not encourage them to put in their efforts? No.

Encourage people. Tell them their efforts can count. Don't write off their chances because they don't know anyone.

It is not as bad as portrayed by people.

Someone just entered thread and said "Shell have already known the people the people they wanted to take" regardless of performance in SRD. Apart from the fact that it is wrong, it is demoralizing.

And you cannot tell me every single person in NNPC got the job through a letter from minister or any other VIP. I told you the case of someone I brought to Lagos and accommodated who got NNPC job without knowing anyone. His brilliance and smartness worked for him. We lived under the same roof.

It is left for anyone to say whatever they want to say, but going to a war with the mindset that your effort will not count is dangerous, and telling people that is toxic.

Well said Jarus. While the rot in many recruitment process holds true, it is not worth much dwelling on such facts and living by such mindset as keep trying nonetheless. After all, it is also true that pple still get jobs by merit, and not just the individuals with exceptional records alone. The reports may be saddening, but will end up doing no good putting them ahead of a positive outlook

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Jarus:


I have never said there's no 'leg' in recruitment process. It is, and yes, quite rampant.

So should we now because of this not encourage them to put in their efforts? No.

Encourage people. Tell them their efforts can count. Don't write off their chances because they don't know anyone.

It is not as bad as portrayed by people.

Someone just entered thread and said "[b]Shell have already known the people the people they wanted to take" regardless of performance in SRD. Apart from the fact that it is wrong, it is demoralizing.

And you cannot tell me every single person in NNPC got the job through a letter from minister or any other VIP. I told you the case of someone I brought to Lagos and accommodated who got NNPC job without knowing anyone. His brilliance and smartness worked for him. We lived under the same roof.

It is left for anyone to say whatever they want to say, but going to a war with the mindset that your effort will not count is dangerous, and telling people that is toxic.

Of course Shell already knows their likely future employees.They are the ones wih the desired expertise,skills and qualities. he only said the fact. Now ,I am a fan of your post but you have not understood Mr poch thought. what he is saying is yes , shell recruits on merit how many other organisation does. he agreed its a bad mindset but it remains the fact that many organisations compromise quality over sentiments and thats where the problem is not the smart guys with that mentality. some have come to that conclusion cause of frustration they have been through. you never know where it hurts someone if you have not been in their shoes. there are many organisations that recruit on merit but whats its proportion. This is where we need to start from if we want a better Nigeria.

handie:
Seriously, I agree that the mindset plays a huge role. I've seen and I know many unemployed but brilliant guys. Their problem? They're of the opinion that u need not apply for all these big coys as u ain't in without connection and this I disagree with 100%. Agreed. Connection plays a role in some instances. Luck plays a greater role but what I believe plays the greatest role is your smartness(I said smartness not brilliance.... I've met a lot of brilliant but not smart fellows. And those are the ones that will think a less brilliant but smart fellow getting a job is as a result of connection). Another factor is ur ability to really take on d odds. Leave ur comfort zone and go for what u want. They say there's unemployment in Nigeria, I say it's a lie. U just ain't smart enough. Want an example? How about u take a result from a top tier southern uni to the north? In the northeast right now, vacancies abound. Why not go there? Just about going for NYSC, why not ignore the fact that there's insecurity in the NE(no place is secure in Nigeria) and go there? There's a high probability of being retained after service... Don't also forget that the insurgency can't go on forever and @ d end, there'll be needs for reconstruction and all such.... More jobs. Also, with d exploratory activities going on in d chad basin, why not resettle? Were I an investor, walahi I'll apply the contrarian strategy and invest heavily in the northeast. And insha Allah, I'll give my service to my fatherland in the northeast and I KNOW I'll get a job there. Summary? Whether u've got connections or not, There're jobs in Nigeria if u're smart and ready to brave d odds

yes its good to take the odds but understand that taste and preference differs , thats where passion comes in. its not about getting a job its about doing the job you love to do . Passion comes first before anything in one's career. There is nothing like "Luck ".Anyone you see in a present position once worked hard and prayed for it, if the person never worked hard but finds himself in that position sometime, It won't be long before the person gets kicked out, he would never perform upto expectation in that position.

The point is only few organizations do employ based on merit like shell and the big Four firms... others are based on connections especially banks. Though this should not discourage us graduates. We still gotta be optimistic till we get employed. That is it.

I see people here are confusing realism with pessimism probably due to intense frustration.


Nigerian graduates...


It is well.


May we all get our hearts desire.

Rebeni:
A Research Project on the Recruitment & Selection Process of the Shell Group Company

http://www.123helpme.com/human-resource-areas-of-the-shell-group-companies-view.asp?id=150461

good one

Who got the link to check our status?

I see that some nairalanders do not agree with me on my last comment on this thread and for that I have a VERY toxic mindset and it's the reason many Nigerians are unemployed and also my ideology is why Nigeria is in it's present position.
Wow!!! Awon eyan maywhether
I take it that my last comment on this thread didn't go well with you guys for that I am sorry,I truly am, my intention was not to discourage anyone.
To all applicants I wish you God's Very Best.
Happy Sunday People!!!

I wish to solicit in your vacancy post in your company, I am a graduate I studied Accountancy and I am also and Associate member of Institute Business strategy. I promise to contribute my best quota achieving goal in your organisation.I look forward to hearing from you.

Well, to see you have a "toxic mindset" is unwise to me....
I really wish you all will stop these talks.........Arguing will not stop anything neither will it start a revolution to change anything.....
Pray, keep an open mind and dont talk wrongly all in the bid of trying to be right or wrong....How can a man just come and say HE HAS A VERY TOXIC MINDSET......TO WHAT END WILL YOU IMPRESS BOTH YOURSELF AND NAIRA LANDERS.....

After you say such negative things; how then will you be blessed......KEEP CALM; HOPE IS NOT DEAD

5555K:
Well, to see you have a "toxic mindset" is unwise to me....
I really wish you all will stop these talks.........Arguing will not stop anything neither will it start a revolution to change anything.....
Pray, keep an open mind and dont talk wrongly all in the bid of trying to be right or wrong....How can a man just come and say HE HAS A VERY TOXIC MINDSET......TO WHAT END WILL YOU IMPRESS BOTH YOURSELF AND NAIRA LANDERS.....

After you say such negative things; how then will you be blessed......KEEP CALM; HOPE IS NOT DEAD

God bless you. You are of all men most knowledgeable.

helenmi:
The point is only few organizations do employ based on merit like shell and the big Four firms... others are based on connections especially banks. Though this should not discourage us graduates. We still gotta be optimistic till we get employed. That is it.

Lies. This long leg stuff works mostly in public sectors. No private firm that needs all the capable hands it can get to make profit will pick a less qualified candidate over a qualified one, tho that doesn't.negate the reality that a few hands in the private sector get in thru the back door.


I got an entry level job paying over 160k monthly 3 weeks.after NYSC in a bank.and I don't know even a janitor in the bank. I wasn't even invited for the test cos I didn't apply. Just saw the thread on nairaland and gatecrashed it. Passed the test n interview in Lagos. Went to TS and it was 2 weeks after I started work that HR asked me to formally write a backdated application letter for record purposes.



The system is corrupt yea, but lots of graduates are just too timid and like excuses. I went to Lag over 6 times during NYSC job hunting. Shell, Got dropped @ KPMG partner interview, PwC, GTBank et al.


What you need is INFORMATION. And a desire. A burning desire.


Started studying GMAT and SHL from NYSC orientation camp.


@ every grad reading this, make job hunting a job. Practice test question formats like SHL, GMAT, Dragnet et al. Keep applying. Gatecrash if possible, no be who call police dey always win case. When u dazzle em employers, they can't help but give u that offer letter.


Keep the hope alive.

Yall bee writing crap here mehn, when niggas be patiently waiting for phone call from shell .



My phone never leaves my sight

I might be wrong but I think jarus and poch are saying the same thing, d disagreement is "to tell someone his/her mindset is toxic" in which I stand with poch, just dat he/she said alot resulting to holes in his/her argument. Lot of respect for jarus, but I think the statement is wrong, especially when it's coming from someone of his status. Yes he is trying to neutralize the effect of the post but that comment just blew it out of proportion.... That bin said, I will admonish us to always go to battle with confidence that we'll win, ..... Even logically how can u win a war already lost within you
Meanwhile jarus, I dy hope for invite o, am coming for that SRD coaching
handie, I love you*brotherly love, b4 I hear say I b gay*... I wnt to be your friend

geobukky:
I might be wrong but I think jarus and poch are saying the same thing, d disagreement is "to tell someone his/her mindset is toxic" in which I stand with poch, just dat he/she said alot resulting to holes in his/her argument. Lot of respect for jarus, but I think the statement is wrong, especially when it's coming from someone of his status. Yes he is trying to neutralize the effect of the post but that comment just blew it out of proportion.... That bin said, I will admonish us to always go to battle with confidence that we'll win, ..... Even logically how can u win a war already lost within you
Meanwhile jarus, I dy hope for invite o, am coming for that SRD coaching
handie, I love you*brotherly love, b4 I hear say I b gay*... I wnt to be your friend

srd coaching? Laugh my ass out. The lord haves mercy on those he wishes . Even if u speak crap there, and d lord is on ya side, the job is urs bro

geobukky:
I might be wrong but I think jarus and poch are saying the same thing, d disagreement is "to tell someone his/her mindset is toxic" in which I stand with poch, just dat he/she said alot resulting to holes in his/her argument. Lot of respect for jarus, but I think the statement is wrong, especially when it's coming from someone of his status. Yes he is trying to neutralize the effect of the post but that comment just blew it out of proportion.... That bin said, I will admonish us to always go to battle with confidence that we'll win, ..... Even logically how can u win a war already lost within you
Meanwhile jarus, I dy hope for invite o, am coming for that SRD coaching
handie, I love you*brotherly love, b4 I hear say I b gay*... I wnt to be your friend

Baba! Na u be boss o..... Being a friend of yours will be a huge privilege

Cutehector:
srd coaching? Laugh my ass out. The lord haves mercy on those he wishes . Even if u speak crap there, and d lord is on ya side, the job is urs bro

Baba...am just 6month old on jobberland so my ideology might be faulty but from wat I have seen, I know experience counts and if you don't have any it's better to learn from those that have experienced the same recruitment process you are stepping into... You are right, it's by his grace, but we still have out roles to play... If you speak crap you will definitely get crap... God will bless what you have, nt dat you do nothing and expect a miracle.... The prayer is " bless the work of thy hand"
Nt campaigning for jarus, if you are on the NLNG thread is you will know what the hype is about
In other news, 1000likes for JustKeen ... I love you too

geobukky:

Baba...am just 6month old on jobberland so my ideology might be faulty but from wat I have seen, I know experience counts and if you don't have any it's better to learn from those that have experienced the same recruitment process you are stepping into... You are right, it's by his grace, but we still have out roles to play... If you speak crap you will definitely get crap... God will bless what you have, nt dat you do nothing and expect a miracle.... The prayer is " bless the work of thy hand"
Nt campaigning for jarus, if you are on the NLNG thread is you will know what the hype is about
In other news, 1000likes for JustKeen ... I love you too

we cool

Cutehector:
we cool

le cool, la cool, we cool

Please can a 2:2 graduate apply? My Brother said he selected 2:2 and they said he cannot proceed further.

Quietly following d thread and eavesdropping while I wait for the call... I got a missed call in ydy mornin, I called d number back all tru ydy but it wasn't available...my hrt skipped.


But truly being smart pays, having an intellectual capacity is awesome and commanding a striking balance with ur brilliance is thrilling...but I know one thing for sure if what ur looking for is line with His will for ur life u will get it.

Dats if u know Him o.

JustKeen:

Lies. This long leg stuff works mostly in public sectors. No private firm that needs all the capable hands it can get to make profit will pick a less qualified candidate over a qualified one, tho that doesn't.negate the reality that a few hands in the private sector get in thru the back door.


I got an entry level job paying over 160k monthly 3 weeks.after NYSC in a bank.and I don't know even a janitor in the bank. I wasn't even invited for the test cos I didn't apply. Just saw the thread on nairaland and gatecrashed it. Passed the test n interview in Lagos. Went to TS and it was 2 weeks after I started work that HR asked me to formally write a backdated application letter for record purposes.



The system is corrupt yea, but lots of graduates are just too timid and like excuses. I went to Lag over 6 times during NYSC job hunting. Shell, Got dropped @ KPMG partner interview, PwC, GTBank et al.


What you need is INFORMATION. And a desire. A burning desire.


Started studying GMAT and SHL from NYSC orientation camp.


@ every grad reading this, make job hunting a job. Practice test question formats like SHL, GMAT, Dragnet et al. Keep applying. Gatecrash if possible, no be who call police dey always win case. When u dazzle em employers, they can't help but give u that offer letter.


Keep the hope alive.

Oga, are you high on codeine? You just contradicted yourself in the same sentence. Smh

prelinctus:

Oga, are you high on codeine? You just contradicted yourself in the same sentence. Smh

No mind him jare.


Nobody is discouraging anybody here. We just saying the facts. Like I said only few companies xplore merits. Banks na wash, av seen lots wey no even do interview with us don dey work for the same bank... so I know what am saying.

This shouldn't affect our burning desires tho

It is obvious that people are talking based on their previous experience in the labour market. Some people having been through a rigorous recruitment process got dropped because of candidate that knows someone in the company, even though less qualified (I know the feeling), whereas some, I will say have been favoured enough to get in without knowing anyone. Whichever side of the road you find yourself, it is best to keep an open mind because the so called "know people rot" that many says is rampant in Nigeria is actually not a Nigerian thing, it is a gradual global evolution of the nature of recruitment process. It is popularly referred to as Networking. In fact it is estimated that 90% of vacancies are filled through networking, while the remaining 10% is what is been advertised, even a certain % of this advertised may still be filled by inside candidates. It is a growing trend around the world because people prefer to recruit someone they can trust or that is been supported by someone they can trust as other necessary ingredients such as skills, knowledge and qualifications can be acquired on the job. And beside, lets face it, who among us will be a in a position to help an unemployed blood brother and prefer to take on a complete stranger even though he is more qualified. Even in church secular vacancies, a committed worker is more likely to get the Job than a more qualified ordinary member. As the saying goes: Charity begins at home.

Therefore, I strongly believe that in as much as we are making all efforts to get that dream job by studying, gathering necessary qualifications, networking, applying and so on, we will surely get it by God's grace. Never give up or lose faith no matter the number of times you failed. Let it make you stronger not bitter.
Whether na connections or na merit or favour(luck) God go use, the koko be say na to get the dream job. It is well!

. It is well!

Damscoy:


It is obvious that people are talking based on their previous experience in the labour market. Some people having been through a rigorous recruitment process got dropped because of candidate that knows someone in the company, even though less qualified (I know the feeling), whereas some, I will say have been favoured enough to get in without knowing anyone. Whichever side of the road you find yourself, it is best to keep an open mind because the so called "know people rot" that many says is rampant in Nigeria is actually not a Nigerian thing, it is a gradual global evolution of the nature of recruitment process. It is popularly referred to as Networking. In fact it is estimated that 90% of vacancies are filled through networking, while the remaining 10% is what is been advertised, even a certain % of this advertised may still be filled by inside candidates. It is a growing trend around the world because people prefer to recruit someone they can trust or that is been supported by someone they can trust as other necessary ingredients such as skills, knowledge and qualifications can be acquired on the job. And beside, lets face it, who among us will be a in a position to help an unemployed blood brother and prefer to take on a complete stranger even though he is more qualified. Even in church secular vacancies, a committed worker is more likely to get the Job than a more qualified ordinary member. As the saying goes: Charity begins at home.

Therefore, I strongly believe that in as much as we are making all efforts to get that dream job by studying, gathering necessary qualifications, networking, applying and so on, we will surely get it by God's grace. Never give up or lose faith no matter the number of times you failed. Let it make you stronger not bitter.
Whether na connections or na merit, the koko be say na to get the dream job. It is well!

there is a difference between referral and meritocracy.yes , referreal is a known way of getting high chances but not when quality of a process is jeopardised. shell will not employ a candidate whose performance was poor at SRD because he was referred and then leave out the guy who is the top performer.

COOLCATS:
there is a difference between referral and meritocracy.yes , referreal is a known way of getting high chances but not when quality of a process is jeopardised. shell will not employ a candidate whose performance was poor at SRD because he was referred and then leave out the guy who is the top performer.

Well said. I certainly have no idea on how Shell strike a balance between referral and meritocracy, yet it is well known that in some firms (name hidden) some candidates that never even went through the process at all, still got the Job. From my post, you will understand that I am not in support or against any method that a company may use to choose a candidate (referral or meritocracy). The point I am making is whichever way, let's keep working hard, making efforts and hoping for the best and not let our previous negative experience prevent us from taking the necessary step cos change is constant.

Referral/Networking/Recommendation and merit are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

Referral can still be merit. It becomes abused when

1, Someone who did better than you in the selection process is denied job

2, Selection process (interview etc) are waived for you

3, Being given the job even when you do poorly in the job selection process

4, Being given the job where you don't meet requirements

These are instances when referral/networking/recommendation is abused.

Otherwise, it's absolutely in order. Referral will only get you the interview invite, it won't get you the job. I'm talking about the globally acceptable referral now. Not the one that is abused.

Let me give examples:

1, Last year, my company sent out an email to all staff listing 4 positions that are available to be filled, and asking for our recommendation, if any. I have a friend that we were together in my former company. I asked him to send his CV. He did and I forwarded to our H.R. Mind you, he had all the requirements set by the company in the email (Chartered accountant, 5 years oil and gas industry experience, project accounting experience etc). He was invited for the interview alongside 2 more candidates. He performed best at the interview and got the job. This is still merit because he has all the requirements and did well at the interview.

2, I got wind of another opening in my company few weeks ago. I had another candidate (also from my former company) and forwarded his CV. He had all the requirements. He was invited for interview but someone did better than him. He didn't get the job.

In well structured organizations, referral is used more in experienced level positions, not graduate position. Companies will tell you to recommend people you have worked with in the past and trust their competence.

It is a global practice.

Shell will definitely not do this at entry level as they have a well defined entry level recruitment procedure which is uniform globally (the SRD), however, for experienced positions, they may be doing this. For example, they can decide to bring one top engineer or geologist from Mobil or Total who is highly respected in the industry.

80% of the senior management staff in my company are from Shell and Mobil, mostly by recommendations and industry reputation (poaching). Talking about guys that spent 25-30 years in Shell and Mobil.

LOL....Everybody has an opinion on here....If you think Shell has their candidates already, why apply?
Practice, develop yourself, apply, Hope.
If you fail, don't sulk....Know why you failed and re-strategize
Leave the backroom politics to God, fate or chance.

Simple.

So na only arguments dey make this thread dey count 30+ pages? I thought mails have started rolling in. Is this really how to keep a thread alive?

***grabs a bowl of popcorn and continues watching the thread***

Jarus:
Referral/Networking/Recommendation and merit are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

Referral can still be merit. It becomes abused when

1, Someone who did better than you in the selection process is denied job

2, Selection process (interview etc) are waived for you

3, Being given the job even when you do poorly in the job selection process

4, Being given the job where you don't meet requirements

These are instances when referral/networking/recommendation is abused.

Otherwise, it's absolutely in order. Referral will only get you the interview invite, it won't get you the job. I'm talking about the globally acceptable referral now. Not the one that is abused.

Let me give examples:

1, Last year, my company sent out an email to all staff listing 4 positions that are available to be filled, and asking for our recommendation, if any. I have a friend that we were together in my former company. I asked him to send his CV. He did and I forwarded to our H.R. Mind you, he had all the requirements set by the company in the email (Chartered accountant, 5 years oil and gas industry experience, project accounting experience etc). He was invited for the interview alongside 2 more candidates. He performed best at the interview and got the job.

2, I got wind of another opening in my company few weeks ago. I had another candidate (also from my former company) and forwarded his CV. He had all the requirements. He was invited for interview but someone did better than him. He didn't get the job.

In well structured organizations, referral is used more in experienced level positions, not graduate position. Companies will tell you to recommend people you have worked with in the past and trust their competence.

It is a global practice.

Shell will definitely not do this at entry level as they have a well defined entry level recruitment procedure which is uniform globally (the SRD), however, for experienced positions, they may be doing this. For example, they can decide to bring one top engineer or geologist from Mobil or Total who is highly respected in the industry.

80% of the senior management staff in my company are from Shell and Mobil, mostly by recommendations and industry reputation (poaching). Talking about guys that spent 25-30 years in Shell and Mobil.

Sir please where do you work?