Patchesagain:


C.A.R was not intended to be a combat deployment

You should have sent policemen there then.

SANDF mandate was to protect lives and property, how will they do that, use sticks and stones?

snydergp1st:


Need I say more.

http://www.paramountgroup.biz/mbombe.html

Nothing special in MBOMBE, like any other product, it's just an MRAP or IFV depending on configuration....or does it carry nuclear weapons?

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Inter-Brigade Combat Proficiency Competition of Nigeria Army held in Benin 2013


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DaEB9mL3Rw
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Msauza2:


Igirigiri is not battle tested. Stop telling lies.

Ask Boko Haram wounded or dead

Msauza2:


Mbombe will any day beat Igirigi in any battle.

Mbombe was tested against live mines and 2portions of TNT explosives and it passed the tests. The poor Igitigi will fail.

Igirigi is NOT built as IFV or MRAP, it is LAV, the MBOMBE is an MRAP or IFV.

However if they meet in battle, whoever fires first will score hit, Igirigi twin 23 mm cannon will tear up an Mbombe MRAO !

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AugustineAgain:


Battle tested Igirigi APC has fought and won battles that your old Rooikat tank destroyer and new Badger IFV have never fought in 20 years !
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That is irrelevant

We are comparing the quality and capabilities of the vehicles

AugustineAgain:


Mbombe is yet to fight any one single battle in the class of wars fought by the Igirigi in 5 years !

Again, irrelevant

Henry240:


It is an armoured vehicle with a 30mm RWS, nothing spectacular.


You are yet to proof it is anything more than what I've just described.

Compare the stats to your igirir and you see that is spectacular

We have reached that stage again - argument is lost and all you have left is to repeate yourself over and over

Henry240:


Your Patria IFV is Finnish, there is nothing domestically designed about that vehicle.

The BOA MRAP is a much Nigerian as the Patria IFV in SANDF service is South-African.


Your 400 Elite Soldiers got their as$es roundly handed to them by SELEKA.

1. 70% of the badger is locally designed content - fact
2. How much of the BOA is local content?
3. Which objectives did we faiil to meet? Also, still not a combat deployemnt

Are you even trying anymore?

Henry240:


So says 2 glory hunting Apartheid days searching journalists.

Again the UN agency on the ground, UNDP cannot confirm the story.

AFP, Reuters, BBC nor SELEKA can confirm the story.

Facts on the ground are-

-SELEKA brushed aside the South-African resistance with ease

- SANDF elite troops raised the white flag and ran begging the french for help

- SANDF elite troops had only a single medical kit, virtually no armoured verhicles, and no support from Pretoria

- SELEKA took over the government of the CAR only a few hours after the South-African engagement.

- Say Seleka
- 14 hour fight and 400 dead = with ease?
- seleka requested the cease fire
- yes, because it was not a combat deployment and they were deployed 3000km from RSA

Henry240:


The SANDF is poorly-equipped and poorly trained, CAR proves this.


Come on, you can't be this naïve, I mean your commanding officer in the CAR was virtually on his knees begging for APCs.

Same APCs you claim to make.

No it does not -

SANDF has all the equipment it needs - it simply lacks the capabability to deploy armor 3000km from home at short notice

How does 200 men stopping 2000 (some say up to 5K) for 13 hours, meeting all objectives and inflicting over 400 casualties for the loss of only 13 men show a lack of training?

But lets not ignore nigeria shall we?

20 000 men kicked out of over 40 towns and cities in an area the size of belgium by only 4000 men in technicals... 20 000 men who have provided hundreds of reports of a lack of equipment, faulty equipment, having to pay for equipment out of their own pockets, having to seek private medical attention

If bangui says we are poorly equipped and trained, what does that say of you?

Fvcking pleb

Henry240:


-If the Igirigi were a 6x6, YES! It is the same.

- Yes, it is easy, there is nothing to it. Nigeria mounts ZSU-23mm-2 on both the Igirigi and Streit Spartan.


There is absolutely nothing to it!

M0ron!

So sheet metal welded onto the frame of a ford f50 is the same as a mine protected AFV?

Are they unmanned? Stabilized? What optics do they have? Yeah, not the same and not impressive


Again, post igirir stats so we can compare

agaugust:


Envy is a form of Ebola virus

Why would we envy that?

Seriously, why?

agaugust:
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I thought you Southies say Nigerian army is afraid and running from Boko Haram, so how did we we cut-off the head of the same enemy you say we fear ?

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Who said he is an enemy?

Could be a civilian

agaugust:


Question for you : Does Algeria and Egypt have full data-link for their armies ?

Dont know and dont care

US, UK, France, Germany and Isreal do

They are the ones who matter

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Sheet metal welded onto a civilian truck is not impressive

Neither are computer graphics

agaugust:


Our side is Nigerian army HQ....private independent journalists are office empolyees who where NOT present on the battlefield when explosion was exploding and h.uman h.eads were being cut off.

But the soldiers who give journos are

Again, YOUR side say its true

agaugust:


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Bwahahaha

Useless SANDF military training, no wonder Seleka boy rebels flushed out all out your stomach and intestine

See useless video, SAAF helicopter firing machine guns into empty bush

Special units in bush operations with civilian journalists playing and laughing with them on camera

Foolish SANDF training, they cannot even use empty hands to snatch rifle from an enemy like a Kung Fu warrior

No wonder tiny Island of Cuba is now training you weak-sick-chicken hearted SANDF rookies

Compare this videos of Nigerian training involving many thousands of soldiers at the same time
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_Y6mIwq1NI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDkybigIskw&feature=youtu.be

Yes, we should rather have the helicopters shoot our men

I guess you missed the simulated battle in the first exercise

I have compared the videos and our exercises are not only more realistic, but more challenging

Fact

agaugust:


SANDF all round exposed open body Gecko and Hornet are as weak as soft skinned vehicles when bullets begin to fly in combat

Literally armored

agaugust:


Show us proof that he was captured before his beheading....prove it

So they threw the knife and decapitated him while he was taking cover 30m away?

Your soldiers are no better than isis

agaugust:


You should have sent policemen there then.

SANDF mandate was to protect lives and property, how will they do that, use sticks and stones?

Why would we send police to train soldiers?

Why would we send police to protect soldiers training soldiers?

That was our mandate- close protection for bozize, train his men, protect our men and equipment

Not combat

agaugust:


Nothing special in MBOMBE, like any other product, it's just an MRAP or IFV depending on configuration....or does it carry nuclear weapons?

Compare its stats to the igirir

agaugust:

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Inter-Brigade Combat Proficiency Competition of Nigeria Army held in Benin 2013


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DaEB9mL3Rw
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Thats a small unit based inter brigade competition - not brigade sized exercises

Did you even watch it before posting?

This is what brigade sized combined arms exercises look like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgL1mKjaZMk

agaugust:


Igirigi is NOT built as IFV or MRAP, it is LAV, the MBOMBE is an MRAP or IFV.

However if they meet in battle, whoever fires first will score hit, Igirigi twin 23 mm cannon will tear up an Mbombe MRAO !

Mbombe has 30mm that is stabilized and uses advanced optics

It will shoot first

And it has a muuch better chance of hitting, it can also shoot on the move

Fyi - you just admitted Mbombe is better

AugustineAgain:


Battle tested Igirigi APC has fought and won battles that your old Rooikat tank destroyer and new Badger IFV have never fought in 20 years !
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One 90mm or 105mm shot from a Rooikat and your poorly armored Igirigi scrap is dead.

agaugust:


Question for you : Does Algeria and Egypt have full data-link for their armies ?

Simple answer will be, we are not discussing Algeria or Egypt.

agaugust:


You should have sent policemen there then.

SANDF mandate was to protect lives and property, how will they do that, use sticks and stones?

Protected south african lives and property. No one they where there to protected was hurt.

andrewza:


Protected south african lives and property. No one they where there to protected was hurt.

Why are people even contradicting yourselves?

Henry240:


Why are people even contradicting yourselves?

I dont know what other people said. But the parabat company and SF team where there to protect the training team. No one from the training team was hurt.

he December ultimatum given by President Muhammadu Buhari to crush Boko Haram terrorists in the North-east is looking highly unlikely as a result of operational, logistic and administrative setbacks that are beyond the control of the military authorities.


THISDAY findings have revealed that there is growing uncertainty about the deadline despite recent gains and the best efforts of the Service Chiefs, who have brought in new ideas and energy to the fighting troops.


However, the earlier momentum is waning with the counter-terrorism and counter-insurgency operations looking like a stalemate owing to the change of tactics by the Boko Haram, the erratic attitude of Chadians towards effective take off of the Multi-National Joint Task Force (MNJTF) and dwindling supply of arms and ammunition.


THISDAY had reported how the alleged reluctance of Chad to station its forces along its contiguous border with other member countries of the Lake Chad Basin Commission (LCBC) was said to be jeopardising the effective operations of the MNJT, which was recently reactivated to checkmate the activities of Boko Haram Terrorists (BHT).


Sources within the military circle who have expressed concern over the unpredictable nature of Chad Republic in the ongoing war against Boko Haram in the North-east, attributed it to both economic sabotage and geopolitical strategy around the Lake Chad Basin.


The military sources noted that Chad is using the war to extract a lot of financial and strategic concessions from Nigeria. It was even revealed that one of the reasons the Nigerien Chief of Defence Staff (CDS) visited Nigeria was for the same financial support.


“Do you know that Nigeria has practically been forced to cede the headquarters of MNJT to Chad because of their blackmail, which was supported by their Francophone sister countries? They have turned Nigeria to a cash cow and tax haven.


“We know that the Federal Government released about $20million for the MNJTF, and each personnel are paid N1,500 per day. So we don’t know yet why the Chadians are reluctant and if they are not being paid,” the officer said.


The senior officer noted that line with the arrangement establishing the MNTF, each member countries including Nigeria, Chad, Niger Republic and Cameroon were expected to contribute troops towards effective control of the contiguous borders aimed at stopping easy movement of terrorists.


“This has however proved difficult because Chad has pulled away from their borders and has not contributed troops for the effective operation of MNJTF. As it stands now, it is like Nigeria is still practically piloting the whole process as Cameroun and Niger Republic are also busy dealing with increasing Boko Haram attacks within their respective territories,” a source explained.


This was also confirmed last week by the Chief of Defence Staff (CDS), Gen. Abayomi Olonisakin, who said the Chadian government was yet to contribute the needed troops to man their side of the common borders.


Olonisakin who disclosed this recently while fielding questions from journalists after meeting with the Nigerien Defence team led by their Joint Chief of Staff, Gen. Seyni Garba, admitted that the military are having issues with the Chadians but the military authorities are working round the clock to address the issue.

He said: “The troops for the MNJTF are drawn from five nations, Nigeria, Niger, Chad, Cameroon and Benin Republic. Most of the troops have been deployed especially from Niger which is in the same sector with Nigeria and they are performing their roles effectively.


“The importance of this meeting is to deepen our collaboration, our cooperation and coordination to ensure that the menace of terrorism is brought to a logical conclusion soonest.


“Most of the countries in the MNJTF arrangement have deployed troops except for areas relating to Chad. They are having some issues which we are addressing, the commander of the MNJTF have gone round the countries involved in this operation to ensure that they are well deployed in their location.”


Further enquiries also revealed that the latest ambush by Boko Haram, which allegedly left some soldiers dead and several others missing, has caused a lot of apprehension and consternation about the feasibility of the December deadline.
Even though some of the officers and soldiers who confided to THISDAY could confirm that the missing soldiers have returned and joined their units, they were however uncertain about meeting the deadline.


The sources also complained that no new weapons, arms and ammunition have been supplied for some time now as they are fast running out of stock.



Similarly one of the soldiers close to the theatre of operation was much more sceptical about the missing colleagues, saying; “soldiers missing were about 125 were not accounted for as at then, however we heard they have returned but you know our people that they will never give you the correct number of troops


http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/mnjtf-military-unlikely-to-crush-boko-haram-by-dec-deadline/226353/

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