Thiza:
SANDF

Are They Members of The Over-weight Units?

agaugust:


Envy is a form of Ebola virus

Agaugust I stand to correct you before you completely fall into the hole of ignorance. Seeing vehicles painted in UN colours does not necessarily mean that UN bought them. SANDF has thousands of equipments in Burundi, Congo and Sudan painted in UN colours but were not necessarily bought by UN. Every contingent deploying under the banner of UN must ensure that their equipment is painted with UN colours and those cars you have shown were due to be deployed to with your police to Somalia or South Sudan. I know you have never been to the military or police, that's why ignorance will always take a better part of you.

FighterPilot:


Agaugust I stand to correct you before you completely fall into the hole of ignorance. Seeing vehicles painted in UN colours does not necessarily mean that UN bought them. SANDF has thousands of equipments in Burundi, Congo and Sudan painted in UN colours but were not necessarily bought by UN. Every contingent deploying under the banner of UN must ensure that their equipment is painted with UN colours and those cars you have shown were due to be deployed to with your police to Somalia or South Sudan. I know you have never been to the military or police, that's why ignorance will always take a better part of you.

Does it also mean that when two Rooivalk were resprayed and painted in UN colours were purchased by UN? Agaugust is starting to sound so desperate for proforce to get foreign customers. UN does not buy equipments for combat forces, it procures vehicles mostly for civilian staff. All contingents deploy with own equipments which must be resprayed in UN colours. Definitely, Nigerian police procured proforce vehicles and use them for their deployment and now the whole thing confused agaugust. Lol!!!

Henry240:


Why are people even contradicting yourselves?

I don't believe that you are still making noise about Bangui to this day. I mean seriously!!! An incident that took place almost three years ago and where Seleka commander admitted publicly that SANDF curved them up and even lost almost 400 men to his battalion alone. Come on man, SANDF is worth more than rebels and if it did wanted to crush Seleka it would have done so without any difficulty.We have more equipment, money, manpower than Seleka and that would have been too much for them to bear.

mzilakazi:


I don't believe that you are still making noise about Bangui to this day. I mean seriously!!! An incident that took place almost three years ago and where Seleka commander admitted publicly that SANDF curved them up and even lost almost 400 men to his battalion alone. Come on man, SANDF is worth more than rebels and if it did wanted to crush Seleka it would have done so without any difficulty.We have more equipment, money, manpower than Seleka and that would have been too much for them to bear.

Two questions,

-Why did you lose against Seleka?

-Why did the SANDF run away ?

patches689:



So sheet metal welded onto the frame of a ford f50 is the same as a mine protected AFV?

Are they unmanned? Stabilized? What optics do they have? Yeah, not the same and not impressive


Again, post igirir stats so we can compare

The same sheet metal welded onto your unimog truck produced the Mbombe.

Igirigi's with 23mm cannons mounted on them are much better IFVs than your mbombe. The Igirigi brings to the fight double the fire-power.

Way more impressive and more importantly, battle proven. Of-course, I'd pick the Igirigi over the Mbombe.


-Hundreds and Hundreds of dead Boko-Haram fighters is all the stats that's required.

Henry240:


Two questions,

-Why did you lose against Seleka?

-Why did the SANDF run away ?

1.Who said we lost? Is self defense a defeat in your own understanding? Out of 200 soldiers with limited weapons we lost only 13 men with heavy. Asualty on Seleka side. Confirmed on an exclusive interview with Seleka Commander.

Exclusive interview never done by any media house.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/04/03/sa-soldiers-carved-us-up-say-rebels



2. SANDF never ran away. They ran out of ammo and were waiting for reinforcement only to be told that Gripens were stationed on the nearby to cover for their safe exit to Uganda. The high command under political pressure were forced to withdraw SANDF.

http://m.news24.com/news24/Archives/City-Press/We-ran-out-of-ammo-20150429

patches689:


No it does not -

SANDF has all the equipment it needs - it simply lacks the capabability to deploy armor 3000km from home at short notice

How does 200 men stopping 2000 (some say up to 5K) for 13 hours, meeting all objectives and inflicting over 400 casualties for the loss of only 13 men show a lack of training?

But lets not ignore nigeria shall we?

20 000 men kicked out of over 40 towns and cities in an area the size of belgium by only 4000 men in technicals... 20 000 men who have provided hundreds of reports of a lack of equipment, faulty equipment, having to pay for equipment out of their own pockets, having to seek private medical attention

If bangui says we are poorly equipped and trained, what does that say of you?

Fvcking pleb

Commanders begging for equipments weeks after weeks and none, not even an additional MRAP delivered, doesn't show an SANDF that is properly equipped.


Your Airforce has to rely on charter services because you only have 3 old C-130s in active service for a country of over 1500km in size.

Your countries over-dependence on world war II relics is well known and well documented.


"Why don't we jack that figure up to 20,000 men?". facts,

- Seleka laid waste to SANDF elite troops

- Seleka took over the capital and government

- Bozize fled

- SANDF fled


Pity your 1970s tactics couldn't help you against hoe wielding farmers.

Henry240:


Commanders begging for equipments weeks after weeks and none, not even an additional MRAP delivered, doesn't show an SANDF that is properly equipped.


Your Airforce has to rely on charter services because you only have 3 old C-130s in active service for a country of over 1500km in size.

Your countries over-dependence on world war II relics is well known and well documented.


"Why don't we jack that figure up to 20,000 men?". facts,

- Seleka laid waste to SANDF elite troops

- Seleka took over the capital and government

- Bozize fled

- SANDF fled


Pity your 1970s tactics couldn't help you against hoe wielding farmers.

Man you seem to be lost, I mean completely lost about what was going on in CAR.

SANDF equipment was limited by France as it was their responsibility to stabilize peace in CAR. France controlled what moved in the country and what goes out and made sure they limited SANDF equipments because it was not their duty for stabilizing security.


SANDF never fled, they belong to SA not in CAR.

1970 tactics helped SANDF to lose only 15 soldiers out of 250 against heavily armed feared rebel group. How many Nigeria soldiers gave up their ghost at the hands of BH as we speak? Jonathan even had to call SA mercenaries to help with their 1970 tactics which defeated BH.

mzilakazi:


Man you seem to be lost, I mean completely lost about what was going on in CAR.

SANDF equipment was limited by France as it was their responsibility to stabilize peace in CAR. France controlled what moved in the country and what goes out and made sure they limited SANDF equipments because it was not their duty for stabilizing security.


SANDF never fled, they belong to SA not in CAR.

When all else fails....... Blame France!

Henry240:


When all else fails....... Blame France!

France never allowed SANDF to deploy heavy weapons because it asserted that SA was not there to enforce peace but to train CAR troops. France failed to stop Seleka because it was their duty to stabilise security of the country.

patches689:


- Say Seleka
- 14 hour fight and 400 dead = with ease?
- seleka requested the cease fire
- yes, because it was not a combat deployment and they were deployed 3000km from RSA

Show us photo of one dead Seleka or their funeral....all we see are dead SANDF Elite troops....you k.illed no Seleka rebel...you surrendered !
.

agaugust:


Show us photo of one dead Seleka or their funeral....all we see are dead SANDF Elite troops....you k.illed no Seleka rebel...you surrendered !
.

Taking of pictures is cannibalistic and rebels even do not make funerals, they bury in shallow graves. Seleka commander was offered exclusive interview from which he admitted he lost 400 men from his battalion. That was enough


Seleka surrendered!!

Henry240:


Two questions,

-Why did you lose against Seleka?

-Why did the SANDF run away ?

- We didnt lose

- We left because the loca regional bloc would not support an attempt to push them out of bangui

Henry240:


The same sheet metal welded onto your unimog truck produced the Mbombe.

Igirigi's with 23mm cannons mounted on them are much better IFVs than your mbombe. The Igirigi brings to the fight double the fire-power.

Way more impressive and more importantly, battle proven. Of-course, I'd pick the Igirigi over the Mbombe.


-Hundreds and Hundreds of dead Boko-Haram fighters is all the stats that's required.

the same sheet metal? So they have the same STANAG rating? citations please

So you would take unstabilized, 20mm with no optics over a stabilized 30mm with optics (day night etc)?

So the fact that the Mbombe has better off road capabilities, IED protection and carries more men is not relevant?

lolzy lolly lol

Henry240:


Commanders begging for equipments weeks after weeks and none, not even an additional MRAP delivered, doesn't show an SANDF that is properly equipped.


Your Airforce has to rely on charter services because you only have 3 old C-130s in active service for a country of over 1500km in size.

Your countries over-dependence on world war II relics is well known and well documented.


"Why don't we jack that figure up to 20,000 men?". facts,

- Seleka laid waste to SANDF elite troops

- Seleka took over the capital and government

- Bozize fled

- SANDF fled


Pity your 1970s tactics couldn't help you against hoe wielding farmers.

1. Citatio for "weeks before"
2. With over 800 MRAP's and over 1000 wheeled IFV's/APC's i would say we have enough (more than you)
3. Augubugug has claimed 20 000... as well as 30 000 from time to time
4. 5 C-130's operational at any one time, 9 in service (total) citations have been provided, it is you whom rely on 3 C-130's, again citations provided

- Seleka suffered 400 casualties against 200 men despite having well over 2000 of their own
- Seleka requested a cease-fire
- SANDF personel and majority of equipment protected
- Our job was never to protect the capital
- Bozize is still alive? mission accomplished

Ask 400 dead seleka about "1970's tactics"

agaugust:


Show us photo of one dead Seleka or their funeral....all we see are dead SANDF Elite troops....you k.illed no Seleka rebel...you surrendered !
.

Why do I have to provide photos when Seleka themselves confirm?

patches689:


Who said he is an enemy?

Could be a civilian

Prove he is civilian, prove it.

agaugust:

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Prove he is civilian, prove it.

Prove that he is an enemy.

The Nigeria Army have done it again!!! Several terrorists have fled for their lives in their safe haven where they stored their stolen foods. The stupid ones that remain however paid the ultimate price as there weapons was inferior (more like bringing a knife to a gun fight). Several looted foods were recovered and weapons seized.
God bless the NA!!!
https://www.naij.com/646105-boko-haram-army-chase-terrorist-gramari-village-photos.html

Patchesagain:


the same sheet metal? So they have the same STANAG rating? citations please

So you would take unstabilized, 20mm with no optics over a stabilized 30mm with optics (day night etc)?

So the fact that the Mbombe has better off road capabilities, IED protection and carries more men is not relevant?

lolzy lolly lol

The choice is simple.

A battle-proven IFV over an IFV with paper-capabilities........... I'll go with the battle-proven IFV any day, any time.

Xbee007:
The Nigeria Army have done it again!!! Several terrorists have fled for their lives in their safe haven where they stored their stolen foods. The stupid ones that remain however paid the ultimate price as there weapons was inferior (more like bringing a knife to a gun fight). Several looted foods were recovered and weapons seized.
God bless the NA!!!
https://www.naij.com/646105-boko-haram-army-chase-terrorist-gramari-village-photos.html

Boko is fighting with animal rifles, I am just wondering what would happen if they can be in possession of machine guns like Seleka rebels were when they were facing SANDF

patches689:


Dont know and dont care

So if you don't know whether Algeria and Egypt have tactical data-link or not, how do you know that Nigeria does not have it? You spoke with Nigerian military chiefs of staff at HQ ?
.

mzilakazi:


Boko is fighting with animal rifles, I am just wondering what would happen if they can be in possession of machine guns like Seleka rebels were when they were facing SANDF

Boko Boys get better weapons ooo. If you see the cache of weapons displayed during one of their propaganda videos, u will know they are one crazy monsters.

Xbee007:
The Nigeria Army have done it again!!! Several terrorists have fled for their lives in their safe haven where they stored their stolen foods. The stupid ones that remain however paid the ultimate price as there weapons was inferior (more like bringing a knife to a gun fight). Several looted foods were recovered and weapons seized.
God bless the NA!!!
https://www.naij.com/646105-boko-haram-army-chase-terrorist-gramari-village-photos.html

Wonderful

Boko Haram have been reduce to boys carrying local guns. Army is really giving this boys bashing.

patches689:



Yes, we should rather have the helicopters shoot our men

I guess you missed the simulated battle in the first exercise

I have compared the videos and our exercises are not only more realistic, but more challenging

Fact

SANDF exercises are like women walking around a shopping mall, your soldiers hardly ever run, HIV sick army of Mandela

Nigerian troops will beat up the entire South African military without using weapons....SANDF troops are flabby like flip flop slippers
.

patches689:


I have compared the videos and our exercises are not only more realistic, but more challenging

SANDF training is outdated 1970s war style of set pieces like two people playing lawn tennis, Serena Williams Vs Venus Williams .

With your poor battlefield tactics, even Kenyan army will thrash SANDF like they do to El-Shabab
.

mzilakazi:


Boko is fighting with animal rifles, I am just wondering what would happen if they can be in possession of machine guns like Seleka rebels were when they were facing SANDF

That is enough proof that NA is really doing the job right. Boko Haram now lack weapons, food, cash, fuel/diesel, shelter etc.

These were the same boys carrying tanks, several anti-aircraft weapons and other heavy equipment.

agaugust:


Prove he is civilian, prove it.

Prove he is an enemy, prove it.

Henry240:


The choice is simple.

A battle-proven IFV over an IFV with paper-capabilities........... I'll go with the battle-proven IFV any day, any time.

So you would chose the inferior product?

The K2 black panther is not battle proven
The T-72 is

You would chose the T-72 over the Black Panther?

agaugust:


SANDF training is outdated 1970s war style of set pieces like two people playing lawn tennis, Serena Williams Vs Venus Williams .

With your poor battlefield tactics, even Kenyan army will thrash SANDF like they do to El-Shabab
.

You are not in the military but you decide ignorantly that the exercise is outdated. The same drills were tended to your military by Mr Barlow and it worked against Boko Haram. Those very drills were considered to be among top 10 in the world.


http://www.onlinecollege.org/10-most-prestigious-military-academies-in-the-world/