agaugust:


So if you don't know whether Algeria and Egypt have tactical data-link or not, how do you know that Nigeria does not have it? You spoke with Nigerian military chiefs of staff at HQ ?
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You have personally admitted that Nigeria does not have one.

And stop changing the argument - you are all over the place.

agaugust:


[s]SANDF exercises are like women walking around a shopping mall, your soldiers hardly ever run, HIV sick army of Mandela

Nigerian troops will beat up the entire South African military without using weapons....SANDF troops are flabby like flip flop slippers [/s]
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So I take it you have no real counter to the points I raised?

Rag-tag musket armed boko haram kicked you out of 40 towns and cities... god alone knows the kind of analdevistation the SANDF will wreak on you

agaugust:


SANDF training is outdated 1970s war style of set pieces like two people playing lawn tennis, Serena Williams Vs Venus Williams .

With your poor battlefield tactics, even Kenyan army will thrash SANDF like they do to El-Shabab
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How is modern warfare different to what we did?

iblawi:


That is enough proof that NA is really doing the job right. Boko Haram now lack weapons, food, cash, fuel/diesel, shelter etc.

These were the same boys carrying tanks, several anti-aircraft weapons and other heavy equipment.

Boko lacks weapons yet they humiliate your military big time.

agaugust:


SANDF exercises are like women walking around a shopping mall, your soldiers hardly ever run, HIV sick army of Mandela

Nigerian troops will beat up the entire South African military without using weapons....SANDF troops are flabby like flip flop slippers
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How does the bodies of these men make us scared. All I see is the body of unfit men, not even athletic but fatty.

Patchesagain:


[size=15pt]lol the nigerian army spent 4 years getting its arse kicked by men with muskets!! [/size]

Just because they sometimes use bow and arrow to wreck havoc doesn't make them musketeers. Probably, the weapons they have can no longer circulate round since the NA have already seized almost all of them...

Patchesagain:


So you would chose the inferior product?

The K2 black panther is not battle proven
The T-72 is

You would chose the T-72 over the Black Panther?

What evidence do you have that the T-72 is obsolete?


Not according to the insurgents at the receiving end of it's dual 23mm.

mzilakazi:


I don't believe that you are still making noise about Bangui to this day. I mean seriously!!! An incident that took place almost three years ago and where Seleka commander admitted publicly that SANDF curved them up and even lost almost 400 men to his battalion alone. Come on man, SANDF is worth more than rebels and if it did wanted to crush Seleka it would have done so without any difficulty.We have more equipment, money, manpower than Seleka and that would have been too much for them to bear.

Agaugust first name is "confused" Lol!!

Xbee007:

Just because they sometimes use bow and arrow to wreck havoc doesn't make them musketeers. Probably, the weapons they have can no longer circulate round since the NA have already seized almost all of them...

Chief the world knows that your military lacks skills to fight Boko Haram, even Germany now recently confirmed that you really need help. They are fed up with the way BH is humiliating you.

mzilakazi:


Agaugust first name is "confused" Lol!!

The question is did SA achieve any aim there?

Capital NO.

It was a failed mission simple.

patches689:


Thats a small unit based inter brigade competition - not brigade sized exercises

Did you even watch it before posting?

This is what brigade sized combined arms exercises look like


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgL1mKjaZMk

Bwahahaha...Posting 30 year old video of Apartheid era SADF ....see Impala jets and Mirage jets, you now mixed it with a few tiny clips of your current inferior SANDF training of old people's infantry.....my own Nigerian video is current date year 2013 just 2 years ago.

LOL....fool, your SADF Brigade exercise video does not even have up to 100 troops in action.

The Nigerian video is INTER-BRIGADE exercise meaning many brigades combined, and that's why the exercise commander is a Major General GOC 2 division Nigerian army Ibadan city, not a Brigadier General. It was a bigger war game than a brigade.

It was actually FOUR BRIGADES combined training/war game, namely

32 Artillery Brigade Akure
22 Brigade Ilorin
2 Division Engineers Ibadan
4 Brigade Benin

Nigerian army used FOUR brigades combined in that single war game/exercise recently done 2013.

Sure I have shocked you and Mike.ZCAR with this revelation, you thought only SANDF trains in large numbers....ignorant fools


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DaEB9mL3Rw

patches689:


Mbombe has 30mm that is stabilized and uses advanced optics

It will shoot first

And it has a muuch better chance of hitting, it can also shoot on the move

Fyi - you just admitted Mbombe is better

How did I admit Mbombe is better? They are not same purpose vehicle, Igirigi is LAV, Mbombe is MRAP/IFV. Can't compare two unlike items.

Why will Mbombe shoot first? He has juju spiritual powers?

Igirigi will shoot first with 23 mm X 2 cannon and eat up the Mbombe.

Shoot on the move? Even Boko Haram shoots on the move with 23 mm cannon.

iblawi:


The question is did SA achieve any aim there?

Capital NO.

It was a failed mission simple.

We achieved our mission many a times. We trained groups of CAR troops since 2007-2013. Many of those we trained even attacked us after joining Seleka.

snydergp1st:


One 90mm or 105mm shot from a Rooikat and your poorly armored Igirigi scrap is dead.

Rooikat is only 76mm gun. One shot from a Nigerian 90mm gun Sagaie and your Mbombe or Rooikat are both dead

agaugust:


How did I admit Mbombe is better? They are not same purpose vehicle, Igirigi is LAV, Mbombe is MRAP/IFV. Can't compare two unlike items.

Why will Mbombe shoot first? He has juju spiritual powers?

Igirigi will shoot first with 23 mm X 2 cannon and eat up the Mbombe.

Shoot on the move? Even Boko Haram shoots on the move with 23 mm cannon.

Mbombe has missile launchers and is bullet resistant.

agaugust:


Rooikat is only 76mm gun. One shot from a Nigerian 90mm gun Sagaie and your Mbombe or Rooikat are both dead

One mbombe missile = 10 Sagaie

mzilakazi:



Does it also mean that when two Rooivalk were resprayed and painted in UN colours were purchased by UN? Agaugust is starting to sound so desperate for proforce to get foreign customers. UN does not buy equipments for combat forces, it procures vehicles mostly for civilian staff. All contingents deploy with own equipments which must be resprayed in UN colours. Definitely, Nigerian police procured proforce vehicles and use them for their deployment and now the whole thing confused agaugust. Lol!!!

Agaugau is confused as always

snydergp1st:


Simple answer will be, we are not discussing Algeria or Egypt.

This thread is title....strongest military in Africa, includes Algeria and Egypt or are they in Europe?

mzilakazi:


Mbombe has missile launchers and is bullet resistant.

No it does not!


A version of the Mbombe carries ATGMs, so can a version of the Igirigi carry ATGMs.

A 23mm cannon would cut through the Mbombe like "hot knife through butter".

FighterPilot:


Agaugust I stand to correct you before you completely fall into the hole of ignorance. Seeing vehicles painted in UN colours does not necessarily mean that UN bought them. SANDF has thousands of equipments in Burundi, Congo and Sudan painted in UN colours but were not necessarily bought by UN.

Every contingent deploying under the banner of UN must ensure that their equipment is painted with UN colours and those cars you have shown were due to be deployed to with your police to Somalia or South Sudan. I know you have never been to the military or police, that's why ignorance will always take a better part of you.

mzilakazi:


UN does not buy equipments for combat forces, it procures vehicles mostly for civilian staff. All contingents deploy with own equipments which must be resprayed in UN colours. Definitely, Nigerian police procured proforce vehicles and use them for their deployment and now the whole thing confused agaugust. Lol!!!

Two fools on Monday morning....fools...UN buys armoured vehicles directly from Manufacturer and paint the UN colours...Fools of Soweto.

"ANKARA — Turkey’s leading armored vehicles manufacturer, Otokar, has said that it won a $24.6 million contract from the United Nations.

In a news release March 6, Otokar said the contract was for an unspecified number of the company’s Cobra vehicles. The UN will use the Cobras in peacekeeping operations, the company said."

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/united-nations-purchases-cobra-armoured-vehicles-from-turkish-company

Envy will choke you all to d..eath....Nigerian Proforce will soon snatch the market from DENEL like we did to your GDP
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Henry240:


The choice is simple.

A battle-proven IFV over an IFV with paper-capabilities........... I'll go with the battle-proven IFV any day, any time.

Well in that case the Ratel is the best IFV in the world!! You wont get more battle tested than the Ratel!!

iblawi:


The question is did SA achieve any aim there?

Capital NO.

It was a failed mission simple.

Our missions consisted out of Operation Morero and Operation Vimbezela, both missions were a success and we did not fail a single objective.

Henry240:


Commanders begging for equipments weeks after weeks and none, not even an additional MRAP delivered, doesn't show an SANDF that is properly equipped.


Your Airforce has to rely on charter services because you only have 3 old C-130s in active service for a country of over 1500km in size.

Your countries over-dependence on world war II relics is well known and well documented.


"Why don't we jack that figure up to 20,000 men?". facts,

- Seleka laid waste to SANDF elite troops

- Seleka took over the capital and government

- Bozize fled

- SANDF fled


Pity your 1970s tactics couldn't help you against hoe wielding farmers.

SANDF obsolete training and combat tactics is like a football match set piece....

Goalkeeper stand still there and defenders line up there, We will line up our team here, we want to play free kick now o !


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agaugust:

SANDF obsolete training and combat tactics is like a football match set piece....
Goalkeeper stand still there and defenders line up there, We will line up our team here, we want to play free kick now o !

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The same training that Barlow offered to you on a silver platter. The same tactics that put the enemy under pressure with minimum casualty to own forces.

Patchesagain:


the same sheet metal? So they have the same STANAG rating? citations please

Yes same metal sheet protection for Mbombe and Igirigi, both are hull protected from 7.62 mm bullets only.

STANAG rating wont save the Mbombe you dunce, 23 mm x 2 double barrel cannon from Igirigi will kill everything inside that Mbombe
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mzilakazi:


Prove that he is an enemy.

Nigerian army killed him in battle and got his head off....that's an enemy....or is he your cousin ?

Henry240:


What evidence do you have that the T-72 is obsolete?


Not according to the insurgents at the receiving end of it's dual 23mm.

Who said anything is obsolete?

You said you would choose battle tested over "paper statistics"

So then you would choose the battle tested T-72 over the K2 Black Panther.

Is this correct?

agaugust:


Bwahahaha...Posting 30 year old video of Apartheid era SADF ....see Impala jets and Mirage jets, you now mixed it with a few tiny clips of your current inferior SANDF training of old people's infantry.....my own Nigerian video is current date year 2013 just 2 years ago.

LOL....fool, your SADF Brigade exercise video does not even have up to 100 troops in action.

The Nigerian video is INTER-BRIGADE exercise meaning many brigades combined, and that's why the exercise commander is a Major General GOC 2 division Nigerian army Ibadan city, not a Brigadier General. It was a bigger war game than a brigade.

It was actually FOUR BRIGADES combined training/war game, namely

32 Artillery Brigade Akure
22 Brigade Ilorin
2 Division Engineers Ibadan
4 Brigade Benin

Nigerian army used FOUR brigades combined in that single war game/exercise recently done 2013.

Sure I have shocked you and Mike.ZCAR with this revelation, you thought only SANDF trains in large numbers....ignorant fools


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DaEB9mL3Rw

1. Video is from 2005

2. Ex Young Eagle had 5000 men from 44 Parachute Regiment, 9 South African Infantry Battalion, 1 Special Services Battalion, 2 Field Engineer Regiment, 10 Anti-Aircraft Regiment, Light Artillery Regiment, 1 Tactical Intelligence Regiment, SA Special infantry Capability, 1 Signal Regiment, 102 Field Workshop and 17 Maintenance Unit.

3. That is not an EXERCISE - it is an inter-brigade competition, swimming races/oreinteering and such - not feild maneuvers. You should watch things before you post them

No, you have shocked no one with your little Army sports day

Nigeria does not conduct brigade sized feild exercises - fact.
And it shows in your combat operations

agaugust:


Rooikat is only 76mm gun. One shot from a Nigerian 90mm gun Sagaie and your Mbombe or Rooikat are both dead

Our Rooikat's gun is more powerful, in fact it replaced our Eland 90 which had basically the same 90mm gun as your Sagaie.....The Rooikat is also faster, more maneuverable and has a much more modern fire control system, the Rooikat can also fire accurately fire on the move....Your Sagaie stand 0 chance against the Rooikat.

mzilakazi:


Boko is fighting with animal rifles, I am just wondering what would happen if they can be in possession of machine guns like Seleka rebels were when they were facing SANDF

That is what Nigerian army has reduced Boko Haram down to. The Bokos in January 2015, had T-55 tanks, MOWAG APC, 105mm self propelled mobile artillery, Shilka AAA, many anti-aircraft caliber 23 mm x 4 barrel, 14.5 mm x 2 twin barrel, unguided heavy rockets, 12.7 mm Dhsk heavy machine guns, RPG, mortars, etc.....now Nigerian army has eaten up all their weapons in battle.

SANDF has never done that anywhere in 20 years......with your inexperienced army that has 1970s style training copied from World War II
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agaugust:


How did I admit Mbombe is better? They are not same purpose vehicle, Igirigi is LAV, Mbombe is MRAP/IFV. Can't compare two unlike items.

Why will Mbombe shoot first? He has juju spiritual powers?

Igirigi will shoot first with 23 mm X 2 cannon and eat up the Mbombe.

Shoot on the move? Even Boko Haram shoots on the move with 23 mm cannon.

1. MRAP/IFV > LAV

2. Mbombe has better optics, better optics means he sees you first, when he sees you first he shoots first

3. Shooting on the move and hitting what you shoot are two different things - hence why people pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for gun stabilization systems

mzilakazi:



You are not in the military but you decide ignorantly that the exercise is outdated. The same drills were tended to your military by Mr Barlow and it worked against Boko Haram. Those very drills were considered to be among top 10 in the world.


http://www.onlinecollege.org/10-most-prestigious-military-academies-in-the-world/

Mr. Balow trained 120 of our troops on use of MRAP and light machine guns. He is just a basic infantry rifle officer, not a composite mechanized brigade officer. His tactics were basically hot pursit, hit and run guerrilla tactics, that is what he knows .

How does that relate to Nigeria using tactics to fight with thousands of tanks, IFV, APC, heavy artillery ? Barlow teaches about Bofors artillery?