jln115:

Our Rooikat's gun is more powerful, in fact it replaced our Eland 90 which had basically the same 90mm gun as your Sagaie.....The Rooikat is also faster, more maneuverable and has a much more modern fire control system, the Rooikat can also fire accurately fire on the move....Your Sagaie stand 0 chance against the Rooikat.

Your Rooikat has ZERO test in any war.....and it's 76 mm gun CANNOT shoot straight, I posted the South African source here last year

Patchesagain:


We are talking about data-links

You asked if Algeria or Egypt has them

We said: We dont know and we dont fvcking care

Same way you don't know if Nigeria has tactical data-link....or the rule is different when you assess Algeria-Egypt ?

Double standards....means you do not know what you claim, you have no proof !

agaugust:


Your Rooivalk has ZERO test in any war.....and it's 76 mm gun CANNOT shoot straight, I posted the South African source here last year

Rooivalk is battle tested

Your "source" is not from a respected military publication, its written by a women in Phoenix Arizona who also said Mandela was dead 1 year before he passed away

My source is a respected military publication and it says accurate up to 2km

Citations have been posted... your Saigie is inferior

end of story

agaugust:


Same way you don't know if Nigeria has tactical data-link....or the rule is different when you assess Algeria-Egypt ?

Double standards....means you do not know what you claim, you have no proof !

We know nigeria does not have one

You said so yourself.

Patchesagain:


You are about 70 years behind us in regards to vehical manufacture

Build something that beats what we built in WW2 and then come talk to us

Your manufacturing industry is 90% owned and ruled by Europeans, we proved that already.

agaugust:


Your manufacturing industry is 90% owned and ruled by Europeans, we proved that already.

No, you keep saying that

But you have yet to prove anything.

Now - stay on topic - and show us something Nigeria makes that is better than what we produced in WW2

agaugust:

Your manufacturing industry is 90% owned and ruled by Europeans, we proved that already.

You are insane. How can only three europian companies own 90% of over 120 SA indigenous defence companies? Madness indeed.

agaugust:


Your Rooivalk has ZERO test in any war.....and it's 76 mm gun CANNOT shoot straight, I posted the South African source here last year

What about in DRC? What do you call that?

http://www.africandefence.net/after-23-years-rooivalks-fire-first-shots-in-drc/

agaugust:


Your Rooivalk has ZERO test in any war.....and it's 76 mm gun CANNOT shoot straight, I posted the South African source here last year

If you meant Rooikat, it was featured towards the end of the bush war.

jln115:

Since when did the 30 year ago apartheid SADF have so many black soldiers? Or since when did they have Olifant MK1B? or since when did they wear Soldier 2000 camo? and FINALLY SINCE WHEN DID THE SADF HAVE THE ROOIVALK 30 YEARS AGO??

Since when did SAAF stop flying Impala and Mirage jets NOT even cheetah, old Mirage F-1 jets? Whom do you wanna fool? The video is a mix of Apartheid and ANC era military exercise.....it's an old video !

Patchesagain:


1. No, not the same - Mbombe is protected against IED's (10kg under wheel, 50kg at 5m) and RPG's
https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/7211/

Igirigi is not firing 23 mm x 2 cannot at underneath the chassis of Mbombe you dunce ! Igirigi is shooting the body/hull and killing all occupants.

Patchesagain:


He teaches doctrine

His role as a supervisor for your army is well recorded on beegugug's blog

Light infantry doctrine, motorized infantry. He is NOT a trained armoured corp or artillery soldier.

Patchesagain:


Tell that to the 80 000 illegals the SANDF captured on the border in just 6 months

You catch only hungry harmeless immigrants looking for jobs.....and not up to 80,000.

The armed criminals walk under the open legs of a confused SANDF that fails in it's mandate at home to protect your fatherland

Patchesagain:


Beegugugs blog

You know you said it.

So you have no proof it's me....I said prove it now !

jln115:

I would bet my left testicle that neither Algeria or Egypt have a military wide tactical data link!

We dont work on betting game here, show us proof....weblink....prove your claim.

Patchesagain:


25 years of constant war

What year to what year?

mzilakazi:


What about in DRC? What do you call that?

http://www.africandefence.net/after-23-years-rooivalks-fire-first-shots-in-drc/

I meant Rooikat you dunce, we were comparing Rooikat Vs Sagaie

agaugust:

Igirigi is not firing 23 mm x 2 cannot at underneath the chassis of Mbombe you dunce ! Igirigi is shooting the body/hull and killing all occupants.

Igirigi will fail against the mighty MBOMBE.


MBOMBEs missiles is trouble.

agaugust:


Since when did SAAF stop flying Impala and Mirage jets NOT even cheetah, old Mirage F-1 jets? Whom do you wanna fool? The video is a mix of Apartheid and ANC era military exercise.....it's an old video !

Impala was retired in 2005, Cheetah( Which was seen extensively in the video) was retired in 2008...The Video is from 2005

agaugust:


I meant Rooikat you dunce, we were comparing Rooikat Vs Sagaie

Rooikat was featured in the bush war.

agaugust:


Your Rooikat has ZERO test in any war.....and it's 76 mm gun CANNOT shoot straight, I posted the South African source here last year

What?? the 76mm is known for its accuracy up to 2000m?? and you never posted a source that prove your claims!!

agaugust:


We dont work on betting game here, show us proof....weblink....prove your claim.

Show me a citation that prove Algeria or Egypt indeed have a military wide data link......I can/have posted citations that the SANDF has a military wide tactical data link, why cant you do the same for Egypt or Algeria??

Patchesagain:


Its a inter brigade competition

There is no mention of brigade maneuvers and no footage of it either, or any vehicals or aircraft or artillery

All we see is small groups of men from each brigade comepeting against each other

Its a military sports day - THEY EVEN HAVE A FVCKING PRIZE GIVING

You obviously have not watched the video

Fact is simple, Nigerian army is incapable of conducting execises of the scope and scale that the SANDF pulls off

What is the name of that sport then....soccer, tennis...basketball ?

LOL....Cape Colony half-wit, Combat Proficiency Competition is NOT a sports proficiency competition.

The title and major general's speech tells it all.

That video shocked you.

LOL.....let me torment Southies again.....in 2009 Nigerian army, navy, and air force had a major brigade level exercise called OPERATION OLOGUN META.....local language meaning three armed forces.



"A Brigade of the Nigerian Army, three mother naval cat class-warships – NNS KYANWA, NNS OBULA and NNS NWAMBA - and six squadrons of Nigerian Air Force aircraft are participating in in the exercise. Chief of Defence Staff, Air Chief Marshal Paul Dike, explained that the conduct of the joint exercise was borne out of “the desire to exercise our troops in a tri-service setting.


The exercise involved beach landing operations, riverine operations and insertion of troops, advance quick attack, deliberate attack phase and internal security operations.

Chief of Defence Staff, Air Chief Marshal Paul Dike, explained that the conduct of the joint exercise was borne out of “the desire to exercise our troops in a tri-service setting in year 2009.

The exercise, he said, “will essentially serve as a platform for us to test our intelligence gathering abilities, check the interoperability of our communication facilities as well as testing our Command and Control capability. At the end of the whole exercise, the lessons learnt will be used in improving our operational procedures in current and future operations,” he said.

The Nigerian military last held an exercise of this magnitude in May 2004, when it organised Operation TAKUTE EKPE in Lagos.

The exercise climaxed display of months of operations, weeks of reconnaissance and days of rehearsals. The officers and men involved in JOPEX 09 were involved in beach landing operations, harbour defence, riverine operations and insertion of troops, advance quick attack, deliberate attack phase and Internal Security Operations (ISOs).

The beach landing part of the exercise had commenced last Monday just as the Chief of Defence Staff, Air Chief Marshal Paul Dike was finishing his welcome address. It involved the simulation of naval and combat aircraft bombardments boomed all around the surrounding beachfront, signalling the start of assault on enemy positions."

http://www.panapress.com/Joint-military-exercise-kicks-off-in-Nigeria--13-523780-17-lang2-index.html



I just gave you two other, even bigger NAF + NN + NA joint service military exercise at brigade level in modern times.

1. Operation TAKUTE EKPE....year 2004

2. Operation OLOGUN META.....year 2009

Shame on ALL Southie liars, Nigerian military conducts regular brigade level and above joint army, navy, air force exercises
.

jln115:

Impala was retired in 2005, Cheetah( Which was seen extensively in the video) was retired in 2008...The Video is from 2005

Its a mix of different old and new videos, first jets flying were old Mirage F-1 not Cheetah, Mirage was long retired before 2005 you fool !

mzilakazi:


Rooikat was featured in the bush war.

Prove it now
.

jln115:

What?? the 76mm is known for its accuracy up to 2000m?? and you never posted a source that prove your claims!!

I have been on this forum since year 2012....were you here then? You read all my 12,000 nairaland comments ? I posted it, see the archives 2012-2014

Patchesagain:


Max range on the ERC 90's gun: 900m

http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product3587.html

Max range on the Rooikats gun: 2000m

Fool and liar, Sagaie gun fired up to 1660m NOT the fvcking lie of 900m

http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product3586.html

Rooikat gun cannot shoot straight....it's a naval gun put on a army vehicle, reason why it missed target during the sea exercise in South Africa, Mr.Day was targeted and 76mm gun missed, Mr.Day is enjoying with is wife as we speak !

Patchesagain:


1. No version of the Igiririri carries ATGM's
2. 30mm will be more effective

- Mumu, "so can a version of Igirgi carry ATGMs".


- Dual 23mm means double the fire power. 46mm worth of rushing kinetic energy, not even the Hulk can withstand that.

Patchesagain:


Who said anything is obsolete?

You said you would choose battle tested over "paper statistics"

So then you would choose the battle tested T-72 over the K2 Black Panther.

Is this correct?

"What is this one even saying?"........ Are you having high temperature again?


We are talking abouth the ZSU-23-2 mounted on Nigerian army Igirigi pitched against the 30mm armed Mbombe.


My pick again, I'll go with the Igirigi.

agaugust:


I have been on this forum since year 2012....were you here then? You read all my 12,000 nairaland comments ? I posted it, see the archives 2012-2014

Do you think i give a sh1t since when you were on here ?? All the sources i have read and what ive physically seen points to the fact that the Rooikat 76 is deadly accurate in any weather, day and night.

agaugust:


SANDF obsolete training and combat tactics is like a football match set piece....

Goalkeeper stand still there and defenders line up there, We will line up our team here, we want to play free kick now o !


.

There armoured vehicles are always so close to each other. A bomb feast for any insurgent.

jln115:

Well in that case the Ratel is the best IFV in the world!! You wont get more battle tested than the Ratel!!

"What's the Ratel?"