patches689:


We have two a year

Fact

Yet Cuba is now training SANDF

Henry240:


Mumu,

I said the Igirigi in it's 23mm version is superior to the Mbombe IFV.

Superior fire-power, Mobility and ease of maintenance gives the Igirigi the edge.

Dude

Do you want me to quote you?

snydergp1st:


What version?

You still haven't shown us the level of ballistic protection your Igirigi?

I have provided the stats of the Igirigi on many occasions. Search the archives.

I posted them last year and early this year.

agaugust:


SANDF and SAAF combines with SA SF have failed to defeat ordinary cross border intruders and armed thieves having a good time dribbling your useless army around in your own homeland borders where SANDF is deployed to guard and protect....dummies...SANDF dummies
.

Seems like they are doing quite well!!

"In the past 12 month period the 13 companies deployed as part of Operation Corona have confiscated contraband, mainly cigarettes and liquor, worth more than R100 million and also stopped more than 15 tons of dagga, valued at R50 million, from reaching illegal markets in South Africa.

The soldiers patrolling the country’s borders, on foot and horseback as well as on motorcycles and in specifically modified and strengthened bakkies, also apprehended 80 000 undocumented persons. These range from people attempting to enter South Africa illegally, either in search of work or to sell goods on which no tax or excise duty has been paid. Soldiers handed them over to the SA Police Service and Department of Home Affairs for further action.

With the broad mandate of securing South Africa’s borders the soldiers were also responsible for the arrest of 2 000 known criminals, recovering more than 300 stolen vehicles and 18 000 head of livestock, mostly cattle but also goats, sheep and chickens.

A hundred and three weapons of various calibres and types were also confiscated from undocumented persons and illegal immigrants."

Henry240:


Mumu,

I said the Igirigi in it's 23mm version is superior to the Mbombe IFV.

Superior fire-power, Mobility and ease of maintenance gives the Igirigi the edge.

Do you need psychiatrist?

agaugust:


SADF + CIA + about 100,000 UNITA troops teamed up together. SA never fought Russia, else you won't be alive to browse Nairaland today.

120 000 MPLA + 60 000 cubans with the latest and best equipment russia could provide

And we did fight russians as well as north koreans nd east germans

snydergp1st:

Ok tell me what ATGM will you put on it.

Ingwe or the Mokopa.

agaugust:
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South Africans finally admit they COULD NOT and DID NOT defeat tiny Cuba

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4000 v 60 000

agaugust:


Igirigi ZSU 23 mm x 2 double barrel cannon fires ARMOUR PIERCING shells you dunce !
.

So what?

30mm does as well

And the stabilized 30mm will actually hit what it is aiming at

agaugust:


Nigeria has 47 BTR-3 Guardian IFV, and many BTR-80A IFV too, it's not just BTR-4.

No you dont

snydergp1st:


Henry never posted the Igirigi specs here stop your lies.

You use the old ATR not the upgraded version. Every import in nigeria is monkey models because you don't have the industry to put your own stuff on anything you import.

I have, consult the archives of this thread.

Nigerian ATR-42 are up-graded, incorporating state of the art communications and ELINT capabilities.

agaugust:


Terrorists and rebels all over the world with unstabilized 23mm cannon on Toyota have killed APCs and IFVs of conventional armies.

You don't know API shells ? 23mm Armour Piercing Incendiary shells, it penetrates IFV armour, light tank armour, and bursts into flames of fire when it enters the enemy vehicle, incendiary shells AP !

Igirigi 23 mm x 2 cannon is a born killer, even NATO armies fears 23 mm
.

Who cares?

Stabilized is better - fact

Why are you rambling on about shells? ?

agaugust:


SANDF and SAAF combines with SA SF have failed to defeat ordinary cross border intruders and armed thieves having a good time dribbling your useless army around in your own homeland borders where SANDF is deployed to guard and protect....dummies...SANDF dummies
.

You keep saying it

But facts say otherwise

Make a real argument or drop it

agaugust:


Can Ratel survive anti-tank land mine like an MRAP? Otokar Cobra has MRAP V-hull too.....mumu.

No MRAP can survive an anti-tank mine

Cobra is not an IFV and the Igirugug is not a Cobra - so why are you talking about cobras now? Are you inebriated?

agaugust:


SADF + CIA + about 100,000 UNITA troops teamed up together. SA never fought Russia, else you won't be alive to browse Nairaland today.

agaugust:


Yet Cuba is now training SANDF

And South Africa trains your army

Whats your point?

O, i see - you lost the argument and are trying to start a new one

Henry240:


I have provided the stats of the Igirigi on many occasions. Search the archives.

I posted them last year and early this year.

Igirigi cannot withstand double portion of TNT, not to mention landmine and RPG. It will die together with its occupants.

Mbombe is bigger than a bus, do you know that?

Henry240:


I have provided the stats of the Igirigi on many occasions. Search the archives.

I posted them last year and early this year.

Since they are the topic of discussion please post them again or tell us where we can find them

jln115:

Why?? Because according to you 23mm + 23mm = 46mm??

Mumu,

Dual 23mm equals more firepower, more rounds down range, a jammed 23mm still leaves the Nigerian army with an operational 23mm.


More advantages.

agaugust:


SADF + CIA + about 100,000 UNITA troops teamed up together. SA never fought Russia, else you won't be alive to browse Nairaland today.

You don't have evidence for your claim. SA fought against, superpower Russia.

SA was under heavy sanctions against the procuring weapons while Cubans and Angolans were fed weapons from the outer world left, right and centre.

Henry240:


Mumu,

Dual 23mm equals more firepower, more rounds down range, a jammed 23mm still leaves the Nigerian army with an operational 23mm.


More advantages.

Smaller round
Less kinetic energy
Less penetration
Smaller explosive radius
Less range
Not stabilized
No optics

While you spray and pray - professionals pick their targets and place their shots

Xbee007:
One of the pilots have been captured by FSA.

Better FSA than ISIS or AL-Nusra Front.

patches689:

Dude
Do you want me to quote you?

What are you afraid of?

Henry240:

What are you afraid of?

Nothing:

Henry240:


The choice is simple.

A battle-proven IFV over an IFV with paper-capabilities........... I'll go with the battle-proven IFV any day, any time.

So i guess you will also pick the t72 over the k2?

patches689:

4000 v 60 000

Angola was a defeat for the SADF.
- the communists are still in power (2015)
- Apartheid fell
- Angola gained independence

Henry240:

Better FSA than ISIS or AL-Nusra Front.

They are so dead either way.

patches689:


And South Africa trains your army

Whats your point?

O, i see - you lost the argument and are trying to start a new one

No you don't, a Nigerian company was contracted to train 120 members of the Strike Force for 3 months.

Henry240:


Angola was a defeat for the SADF.

- the communists are still in power (2015)

- Apartheid fell

- Angola gained independence

None of those things had anything to do with why we were there!

Answer three questions and tell me if we didnt win:

1. Are there cubans in Angola?
2. Are there cubans in Namibia?
3. Is South Africa communist?

Also stop mixing politics with military

Angola was a massive military victory for the SADF - 35 major battles, 35 victories

Grand Champs, 25 years undefeated

Henry240:


Mumu,

Dual 23mm equals more firepower, more rounds down range, a jammed 23mm still leaves the Nigerian army with an operational 23mm.


More advantages.

It doesnt matter if its dual or single, a 30mm round is more powerful than a 23mm round, its a simple fact.

mzilakazi:


Igirigi cannot withstand double portion of TNT, not to mention landmine and RPG. It will die together with its occupants.

Mbombe is bigger than a bus, do you know that?

The Igirigi is an LAV.


Make a coherent argument, retarrd.

Henry240:


No you don't, a Nigerian company was contracted to train 120 members of the Strike Force for 3 months.

A nigerian company who hired South Africans

You can try take all the different routs to explain it - but the final destination is allways the same

patches689:


Since they are the topic of discussion please post them again or tell us where we can find them

Search the archives, they are here. It's Stanag rating, it steel type and all.

I recall posting them.