Henry240:


The Igirigi is an LAV.


Make a coherent argument, retarrd.

You are the one comparing it to the Mbombe

Remeber your argument, retarrd

Henry240:


Angola was a defeat for the SADF.

- the communists are still in power (2015)

- Apartheid fell

- Angola gained independence

Truly I can see that you need psychiatrist.

SADF only used 4000 men to fight Russia, Cuba, and Angola. There was an insurgency in SA at the same time which they needed to stabilise. Strategic infrastructure was bombed and students were on rampage. People of SA defeated apartheid not Angola.

Angola had to call communist superpowers to protect it against then the superpower of Africa.

Henry240:


Search the archives, they are here. It's Stanag rating, it steel type and all.

I recall posting them.

Eithet post them again or tell us how to find them

The fact that you outright refuse to do so suggests you are hiding something

patches689:


Smaller round
Less kinetic energy
Less penetration
Smaller explosive radius
Less range
Not stabilized
No optics

While you spray and pray - professionals pick their targets and place their shots

- Double rounds

- double kinetic energy on target

- Armour piercing rounds

- Advantage of using 2 23mm instead of one

- 2KM-3km least range

- Dead, Dead insurgents

patches689:


Nothing:


So i guess you will also pick the t72 over the k2?

That isn't my only criteria.

SADF would have defeated Russia, Cuba and Angola if it was not fighting interior and external war at the same time. If they were not under heavy sanctions surely that would have been a different game.

Xbee007:
They are so dead either way.

Then the FSA would wish they were never born.

mzilakazi:
SADF would have defeated Russia, Cuba and Angola if it was not fighting interior and external war at the same time. If they were not under heavy sanctions surely that would have been a different game.

SADF defeating Russia, USA most feared country on earth? U are a great comedian!

patches689:


None of those things had anything to do with why we were there!

Answer three questions and tell me if we didnt win:

1. Are there cubans in Angola?
2. Are there cubans in Namibia?
3. Is South Africa communist?

Also stop mixing politics with military

Angola was a massive military victory for the SADF - 35 major battles, 35 victories

Grand Champs, 25 years undefeated

- the communists are still in power in Angola

- the Afrikanners and Germans were kicked out of power in Namibia. Ast gottfried21 or ViceAdmiral

- the communist supported ANC has been in power in South-Africa for the past 21 years.


Verdict : the SADF foray into Angola was a massive defeat for the SADF/Apartheid government.


We are now left with a bunch of lily-livered, ill-organised and ill-trained men such as ( Fighterpilot, Mzilakazi, Syndergp, Andrewza) in the force.

patches689:


A nigerian company who hired South Africans

You can try take all the different routs to explain it - but the final destination is allways the same

The final destination is simple, a Nigerian company trained Nigerian troops.

Henry240:


- Double rounds

- double kinetic energy on target

- Armour piercing rounds

- Advantage of using 2 23mm instead of one

- 2KM-3km least range

- Dead, Dead insurgents

- no not double rounds

- no not double kinetic energy on target

- irrelevant

- and what is the effective range of 30mm?

- So what?

Are you so retarrded that you think that the shells hit at the exact same time?

Henry240:


That isn't my only criteria.

Seems you are moving the goalposts now.

I quoted your criteria directly

Henry240:


- the communists are still in power in Angola

- the Afrikanners and Germans were kicked out of power in Namibia. Ast gottfried21 or ViceAdmiral

- the communist supported ANC has been in power in South-Africa for the past 21 years.


Verdict : the SADF foray into Angola was a massive defeat for the SADF/Apartheid government.


We are now left with a bunch of lily-livered, ill-organised and ill-trained men such as ( Fighterpilot, Mzilakazi, Syndergp, Andrewza) in the force.

Again, that is political and not military

Those are also not why the war was fought.

Outline how the SADF was defeated in the military sense

Henry240:


The final destination is simple, a Nigerian company trained Nigerian troops.

Nope, South Africans trained Nigerians using Nigerian territory as a front. Finito.I know is bitter ton to admit that truth.

Henry240:


The final destination is simple, a Nigerian company trained Nigerian troops.

South Africans trained your troops

Henry240:


- the communists are still in power in Angola

- the Afrikanners and Germans were kicked out of power in Namibia. Ast gottfried21 or ViceAdmiral

- the communist supported ANC has been in power in South-Africa for the past 21 years.


Verdict : the SADF foray into Angola was a massive defeat for the SADF/Apartheid government.


We are now left with a bunch of lily-livered, ill-organised and ill-trained men such as ( Fighterpilot, Mzilakazi, Syndergp, Andrewza) in the force.

1. Angola is democratic not communist, learn the difference!!

2. There are a sh1t load of Afrikaner living in Namibia, secondly Namibia is democratic and communist free!!

Verdict: the SADF achieved what it set out to do, create a buffer zone to protect South Africa from communism!!

Henry240:


Then the FSA would wish they were never born.

Harming those pilots will give the Russians the opportunity to pound them very well. But that jet doesn't look SU-24 to me.

Xbee007:
Harming those pilots will give the Russians the opportunity to pound them very well. But that jet doesn't look SU-24 to me.

It is SU-24

jln115:

1. Angola is democratic not communist, learn the difference!!

2. There are a sh1t load of Afrikaner living in Namibia, secondly Namibia is democratic and communist free!!

Verdict: the SADF achieved what it set out to do, create a buffer zone to protect South Africa from communism!!

- Communist MPLA is still in power.

"The position of President dates from Angola's independence
from Portugal. Agostinho Neto held the position when his
then Marxist Popular Movement for the Liberation of Angola
(MPLA) won control of the country from the Portuguese.
When Neto died in 1979, José Eduardo dos Santos
succeeded him."



- There are also a good number of Native indians living in the US, doesn't make them politically relevant.


Communist supported movement swept over power from Angola to South-Africa.


Apartheid...... We now learn about it in the History class.

Patchesagain:

South Africans trained your troops

A Nigerian company trained Nigerian troops.

Patchesagain:

Seems you are moving the goalposts now.
I quoted your criteria directly

Not my only criteria.
I've outlined more of them in my response to Jillingy.

Patchesagain:


- no not double rounds

- no not double kinetic energy on target

- irrelevant

- and what is the effective range of 30mm?

- So what?

Are you so retarrded that you think that the shells hit at the exact same time?

"A fraction of a second..... What's the difference?".


Double the fire-power = Double the damage

Xbee007:
Harming those pilots will give the Russians the opportunity to pound them very well. But that jet doesn't look SU-24 to me.

It would give the Russians the justification to pound them to the stone ages..... Not like syria isn't currently in the stone ages anyway.


I initially thought it was an SU-30. One wonders were the SU-30s where? They are used in the close protection role for ground bombers.

Henry240:


A Nigerian company trained Nigerian troops.

Using South Africans

Or do you deny the presence of South AFricans?

Henry240:


Not my only criteria.

I've outlined more of them in my response to Jillingy.

So what then are they?

Henry240:


"A fraction of a second..... What's the difference?".


Double the fire-power = Double the damage

The difference of a fraction of the second is that they do not hit simultaniousy

No, double the fire-power =/= double the damage

23mm is 23mm that is all

Henry240:

- Communist MPLA is still in power.
"The position of President dates from Angola's independence
from Portugal. Agostinho Neto held the position when his
then Marxist Popular Movement for the Liberation of Angola
(MPLA) won control of the country from the Portuguese.
When Neto died in 1979, José Eduardo dos Santos
succeeded him."
- There are also a good number of Native indians living in the US, doesn't make them politically relevant.
Communist supported movement swept over power from Angola to South-Africa.
Apartheid...... We now learn about it in the History class.

Angola is no longer orthodox communist where it was one party state. Angola is now multiparty democratic state.

Apartheid was defeated by people of SA who were fighting from within.

Finito

Patchesagain:

Using South Africans
Or do you deny the presence of South AFricans?

Do you deny the Nigerian government hired a Nigerian company?

Patchesagain:

So what then are they?

Check my reply to jillingy.

Patchesagain:


The difference of a fraction of the second is that they do not hit simultaniousy

No, double the fire-power =/= double the damage

23mm is 23mm that is all

2 shots of a 9mm or 7.62mm aren't the same.

Henry240:

2 shots of a 9mm or 7.62mm aren't the same.

Why ain't the same dummy or are they magical?

It is very highly unlikely that two shots from a gun will hit the moving target at the same spot.