Xbee007:
One of the pilots has been captured by the Syrian Rebels.

I pray the pilot will not be executed ; I smell war..........?

Henry240:


Is anybody watching the news? It seems a Russian Jet has been shot down by a Turkish Air Defence system or has had a mechanical failure!

Breaking news

Russians have been Violating Turkish Airspace for a while now, but I never thought the Turks would have the balls to attack. Things are about to get really interesting.

Centrifude:


Russians have been Violating Turkish Airspace for a while now, but I never thought the Turks would have the balls to attack. Things are about to get really interesting.

Not long ago, a Russian drone was shot violating Turkish Airspace.

Centrifude:


Russians have been Violating Turkish Airspace for a while now, but I never thought the Turks would have the balls to attack. Things are about to get really interesting.

I was saying to the South-Africans a few weeks ago, the Turks are no pushovers. They are one of the stronger members of NATO. I knew they were going to shoot down a Russian Jet. It was only a matter of time.


What this simply means is, Russia is going to deploy additional SU-30SMs in Syria.

Let see how they(Russians) respond, maybe few cruise missile strikes from the Caspian.

bidexiii:

I pray the pilot will not be executed ; I smell war..........?

If world powers go to war over Syria, then they are incredibly stup1d!

giles14:
I see a new war. if turkey and should venture into Syria by mistake dey will b a great war

No question, if Turkey enters Syria again, they would be bombed.

bidexiii:


Not long ago, a Russian drone was shot violating Turkish Airspace.

Such actions reaffirm that fact that Russia is seriously itching for a Fight *well so is Nato* but it seems like Russia has decided to take the Fight to Nato. The one thing I know is that any fight between East and West will always end in a StaleMate.


I just hope and pray that Africa doesn't end up being home to their Proxy wars again.

Henry240:


I was saying to the South-Africans a few weeks ago, the Turks are no pushovers. They are one of the stronger members of NATO. I knew they were going to shoot down a Russian Jet. It was only a matter of time.


What this simply means is, Russia is going to deploy additional SU-30SMs in Syria.

Let see how they(Russians) respond, maybe few cruise missile strikes from the Caspian.

Yes Turkey has guts but what will happen when Russia decides to retaliate? I was watching RT and I'm starting to doubt that Russia will do much, they seem to be playing the victim.

Centrifude:


Yes Turkey has guts but what will happen when Russia decides to retaliate? I was watching RT and I'm starting to doubt that Russia will do much, they seem to be playing the victim.

If Russia retaliates, Turkey would invoke Article 5 of NATO pact. An attack on one is an attack on all.

I mean, Russia won't go to war with NATO over Syria, it just won't happen.

Getting there pilot is there uttermost priority.

Centrifude:


Russians have been Violating Turkish Airspace for a while now, but I never thought the Turks would have the balls to attack. Things are about to get really interesting.

nothing will happen because an attack on turkey would lead a war with nato.

the smartest thing to do would be to spinsor insurrections as turkey is a deeply divided country.

let's wait and see what russia's reactions will be

Henry240:


I was saying to the South-Africans a few weeks ago, the Turks are no pushovers. They are one of the stronger members of NATO. I knew they were going to shoot down a Russian Jet. It was only a matter of time.


What this simply means is, Russia is going to deploy additional SU-30SMs in Syria.

Let see how they(Russians) respond, maybe few cruise missile strikes from the Caspian.

Trust me, we South Africans know how powerful Turkey is, anyway as you said, dont think much is going to happen, although with Putin you can never be sure!!

Henry240:


If Russia retaliates, Turkey would invoke Article 5 of NATO pact. An attack on one is an attack on all.

I mean, Russia won't go to war with NATO over Syria, it just won't happen.

Getting there pilot is there uttermost priority.

Both Pilot have been killed by Syrian Rebels. I guess holding them hostage would've been much more riskier.

Something doesn't smell right here. The Turks claim to have warned the Fencer 10 times over 5 minutes. Well, take a look at this radar track released by Turkey: the airspace supposedly violated is only 1.5NM long, meaning the Fencer would traverse it in 18 seconds. So much for the warning then.

frumentius:
Something doesn't smell right here. The Turks claim to have warned the Fencer 10 times over 5 minutes. Well, take a look at this radar track released by Turkey: the airspace supposedly violated is only 1.5NM long, meaning the Fencer would traverse it in 18 seconds. So much for the warning then.

If these his it true..... then put in might not let these just go like that, cos the Turks claimed the fencer pent 10mins in there airspace. I smell wahalaa..
Has putin made any public comments on the issue?

men get ready for the first official dogfight I Btw su30sm n su35m vs F15se n typhoon jet. I pretty much Turkey. for me turkey made a mistake, y must dey play out NATO scheme. also expecting more missile cruisers.

bidexiii:


Has putin made any public comments on the issue?

Before going into a meeting with the Jordanian king, Putin said:
-“The loss today is a stab in the back, carried out by the accomplices of terrorists. I can’t describe it in any other way.”

-“Our aircraft was downed over the territory of Syria, using air-to-air missile from a Turkish F-16. It fell on the Syrian territory 4km from Turkey.”

-“Neither our pilots nor our jet threatened the territory of Turkey.”

-“Today’s tragic event will have significant consequences, including for Russia-Turkish relations ... Instead of immediately getting in contact with us, as far as we know, the Turkish side immediately turned to their partners from Nato to discuss this incident, as if we shot down their plane and not they ours.”

-“Do they want to make Nato serve ISIS? ... We hope that the international community will find the strength to come together and fight against the common evil.”

www.express.co.uk/news/world/621677/Reports-Russian-helicopter-shot-down-while-searching-downed-jets
hope dis will not escalate,i can c more tu95,su34,Su30sm n more cruise missiles

bidexiii:


If these his it true..... then put in might not let these just go like that, cos the Turks claimed the fencer pent 10mins in there airspace. I smell wahalaa..
Has putin made any public comments on the issue?

Putin called Turkey's action "a stab in the back by accomplices of terrorist". And the action would have consequence on both countries relation.

giles14:
men get ready for the first official dogfight I Btw su30sm n su35m vs F15se n typhoon jet. I pretty much Turkey. for me turkey made a mistake, y must dey play out NATO scheme. also expecting more missile cruisers.

From the radar track released by the Turkish military, it's quite clear that 2 planes violated Turkish airspace. What's nonsensical however, is the claim they issued warnings 10 times over 5 minutes. Even at a slow ground speed of 300 knots, those Fencers each spent not more than 20 seconds in Turkish airspace.

expecting increase in pkk attacks,turkey never know wetin dem do.he who live in glass house don't know throw stone

frumentius:
Something doesn't smell right here. The Turks claim to have warned the Fencer 10 times over 5 minutes. Well, take a look at this radar track released by Turkey: the airspace supposedly violated is only 1.5NM long, meaning the Fencer would traverse it in 18 seconds. So much for the warning then.

We all know......... it's an open secret, Turkey, Saudi-Arabia and Qatar have been supporting IS terrorists in Syria and Iraq.


No Turkish jet would ever fly over syria, Turkmen rebels in Syria should better starting saying there last prayers. Russia woul retaliate.


- The SU-24 presented no threat to Turkey

- The SU-24 spent less than 18 seconds in Turkey

- The SU-24 was targeting ISIL terrorists

frumentius:


From the radar track released by the Turkish military, it's quite clear that 2 planes violated Turkish airspace. What's nonsensical however, is the claim they issued warnings 10 times over 5 minutes. Even at a slow ground speed of 300 knots, those Fencers each spent not more than 20 seconds in Turkish airspace.

some Turkish media are reporting 10 sec,yes d jets violated there is airspace,but left immediately. turkey is economical with the truth.dey better apologize.

Henry240:


We all know......... it's an open secret, Turkey, Saudi-Arabia and Qatar have been supporting IS terrorists in Syria and Iraq.


No Turkish jet would ever fly over syria, Turkmen rebels in Syria should better starting saying there last prayers. Russia woul retaliate.

last prayer?. der AR report of heavy bombardment after the game attack on d rescue me helicopter

The Big Bad Russian Bear will be having Some Turkey for lunch.

all i know, is that the Kurdish YPG are going to be getting a whole lot of new weapons from Vlad

And turkish grunts are going to be on the receiving end

Centrifude:
The Big Bad Russian Bear will be having Some Turkey for lunch.

In Russian thanksgiving

Turkey shoots you!

jln115:

Trust me, we South Africans know how powerful Turkey is, anyway as you said, dont think much is going to happen, although with Putin you can never be sure!!

Putin would retaliate, No country, not even Somalia would take this lying down.

Guys

Just FYI

Article 5 only applies when you (ie: NATO member invoking the article) are attacked FIRST
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_110496.htm?

Clearly this does not apply here.

There are bigger things at play.

Turks are playing the "turkmin card"

Claims that Turkish military forces on Aug. 10 entered the planned zone in Syria via the Öncüpınar/Bab al-Salameh border crossing along with the Sultan Murat Brigade, which is composed of Turkmens, presents a worrying picture, especially when taken in conjunction with pro-government media headlines that cheerfully proclaimed Aleppo as the 82nd province of Turkey.

The Turkmen card, which Turkey saves for rainy days as a foreign policy option, is on the table once again – something that is not surprising when nationalist sentiments are also on the rise. The perils of this political gamble loom large: Any attack against our Turkmen brothers in the safe zone could easily spark a military clash and drag Turkey into war.

Henry240:


Putin would retaliate, No country, not even Somalia would take this lying down.

Well in this case, we might have just witnessed the start of WW3!!

Angola

jln115:

Well in this case, we might have just witnessed the start of WW3!!

"World war 3 over Syria?"........ Nobody would start WW3 over Syria, besides Europe support Russia in it's fight against ISIS terrorists in Syria, European parliaments would be reluctant to approve a military engagement against Russia. Germany and France simply would not engage Russia over Syria or Turkey or the Islamist Edrogan.


It won't happen.

Henry240:


Putin would retaliate, No country, not even Somalia would take this lying down.

It goes without saying that Russia and Putin will retaliate. The great unknown is the nature of such. Amongst the tools available to the Kremlin:
1) The PKK might suddenly start fielding more potent weaponry;
2) Turkish options to strike at their enemies in Syria might completely vanish;
3) The pipelines supplying 60% of Turkey's gas might just develop problems needing shutdown; ditto the 35% of oil sourced from Russia;
4) Turkey needs tourists to finance its current account deficit; I don't see the 1,7 million Russians who visited last year, showing up again anytime soon.

What we can say with certainty though, is that those Turkmen rebels are about to experience a world of hurt.