raumdeuter:


This is not peculiar to the SW alone

With an independent nation we can go back to provinces like it used to be

WHile we are all Yoruba we are still different even calling everyone Yoruba was a recent phenomenon

I am sure you know about the clamour for Ijebu State from the current Ogun State, Same with Oke-Ogun from current Oyo and Oduduwa State from current Osun

9jacrip:
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Using division from the past [that wasn't even in existence till post Oyo] as a determinant for the feasibility of the implementation of a system that achieved much more than what we currently operate has or ever will is not good enough Egbon.

At least regional system worked for the short period it existed unlike our present system that has lasted longer but keeps making the future appear bleaker by the year.

Wouldn't it be right to try a something that once worked than cower under the fear of Yoruba division that didn't hinder it in its first attempt?

Just my thoughts egbon Katz.

Katsumoto:


I was responding to DK's post about divisions.

If you have followed my posts, you would have realised that I have a preference for regionalism.

Katsumoto:


Excellent question

Simple answer - Because Yoruba chieftains can't put the Yoruba interests above their selfish interests.

Merging of states would solve this issue of bloated civil services.
Why can't Ogun merge Lagos, Oyo with Osun, and Ondo with Ekiti?

Have three big states with more autonomous LGs for outreach to citizens?

Katsumoto:


Are you postulating that it would be easier to abolish states & LGs and just create provinces along historical kingdoms? And have one premier?

If that, I worry that traditional rulers may interfere too much. But it would be better than the current arrangement.

raumdeuter:


Yes. Its easier to identify with historical kingdoms than the attempted STate creation by the military. Oyo STate, Osun state, EKiti STate Ogun state lagos State are Nigerian and military terminologies

There can be up to 20 provinces based on our ancestral differences. WHat is called Osun currently is a combination of Igbomina, Oyo speaking, Ijesha, And Ife people, Ogun is made of Egba, Ijebu and riverine people, Ondo is made of Ondo, AKure, Ikale, and riverine people

Merge the Ekiti in Kwara with the current EKiti, The Okun can stand alone, the Igbomina in Kwara merge with their Osun brothers

It would make traditional rulers more powerful but Yorubas dont have an issue with obeying their annointed kings and like in Oyo empire there are Oyo mesi to check the king

Katsumoto:
I am getting you. Do you suggest this template only in an Odua nation or do you think it is workable in a regional setting within Nigeria?

Ilaje44:


The Spambot banned me for replying to somebody that greeted me in German.


Here is a video dedicated to one of the old guild of Youtubers (Adunbarin) where you can hear me speak Ilaje Jamani. It's also an old video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiqUMO22bR8

Katsumoto:




Let's first establish that you aren't a squatter. When did your forebears get to Lagos?

raumdeuter:


Yes. Its easier to identify with historical kingdoms than the attempted STate creation by the military. Oyo STate, Osun state, EKiti STate Ogun state lagos State are Nigerian and military terminologies

There can be up to 20 provinces based on our ancestral differences. WHat is called Osun currently is a combination of Igbomina, Oyo speaking, Ijesha, And Ife people, Ogun is made of Egba, Ijebu and riverine people, Ondo is made of Ondo, AKure, Ikale, and riverine people

Merge the Ekiti in Kwara with the current EKiti, The Okun can stand alone, the Igbomina in Kwara merge with their Osun brothers

It would make traditional rulers more powerful but Yorubas dont have an issue with obeying their annointed kings and like in Oyo empire there are Oyo mesi to check the king

CHRISTALLITE:

Okay Sir.

I will appreciate it.
I will surely go if am called.

No,I haven't apply for any scholarship,please put me through.

Katsumoto:


And yet

1. Some folk think Yoruba can have an independent nation with so much division. It appears even regionalism can't work.

2. More importantly, people want progress but don't understand what is required and are not prepared to accept change

SMDH

Aareonakakanfo:
Meeehn modath I visited that preggy thread and I was really impressed.Soo much sanity

No fight,everybody get sense,knowledge too.There are doctors among them

No wonder they don't want to leave that peaceful place

Who wan comot VGC go live for Ajegunle

I don't know how the females on this board survive

Eyin gaan ma rugged offline no be small

Just today,I saw a guy displaying mizkulikuli's pics and I was like meeeehn awon boys yi o nice ooo

modath:



It is when we get rregional autonomy that we will face the Ogun people who have been marginalizing the rest of us politically since time immemorial......
From Papa Awo to OBJ to Shonekan to PYO, the ogun folks have stopped the rest of us from developing, the lack of equity & justice is mind numbing, we will secede..

raumdeuter:


Yes. Its easier to identify with historical kingdoms than the attempted STate creation by the military. Oyo STate, Osun state, EKiti STate Ogun state lagos State are Nigerian and military terminologies

There can be up to 20 provinces based on our ancestral differences. WHat is called Osun currently is a combination of Igbomina, Oyo speaking, Ijesha, And Ife people, Ogun is made of Egba, Ijebu and riverine people, Ondo is made of Ondo, AKure, Ikale, and riverine people

Merge the Ekiti in Kwara with the current EKiti, The Okun can stand alone, the Igbomina in Kwara merge with their Osun brothers

It would make traditional rulers more powerful but Yorubas dont have an issue with obeying their annointed kings and like in Oyo empire there are Oyo mesi to check the king

raumdeuter:


I am mostly concerned about Odua nation. Nigeria is way too complex that even good ideas get shot down because of jealousy or that because people dont just understand what they want.

It depends on their historical setting some places dont have a history to hook on to. I think I believe its workable in most places in Nigeria especially in the North and middle belt. Its easier to be joined together with people you share the same ancestry.

MayorofLagos:


...MKO!

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Aareonakakanfo:
Lets also not forget these are some of the challenges facing the South-west.I will like us to always randomly pick any of these issues and give suggestions on how to curb them

TreyQ sorry for the wrong accusation.E dariji mi

HARMYMY:
Modath,mummy Ejire,Zaynie nay here you pack come, I beg shifts a little bit make I sit-down dey enjoy historical values. Good morning everyone.

Aareonakakanfo:
OAUTemitayo please post the link to your blog

Have you started adding stuffs to it?

Shymm3x/forgiveness/interloper a nice youtube page for you guys to track our home grown talents

300 pages gift .I try na

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCf40-DtiucBzrkSn7WMYsgw

Aareonakakanfo:
I'll be bombarding this thread tomorrow with never-seen pictures of Ogun and Oyo

Y'all should get your picture albums

MayorofLagos:


Put you through what, application for scholarship??
Please go to the govt secratariat and get that started.

By birthright as a Yoruba, you have rights to scholarship for education but your eligibility will need to be proven to get it. You cannot leave your birthright wasted and turn to internet begging for help.

Take what belongs to you!

FreeGlobe:

The bold, Impossible

TreyQ:
Responsibilities Of An Oba In Ancient Yoruba Kingdom

Oba is a Yoruba term for King, an Oba is the monarchical head of government in ancient Yoruba kingdoms. Some Obas ruled supreme over their kingdoms and subjects with unchecked powers while some had checks and balances like the great Old Oyo Empire (OOE), some have their powers checked as a result of their tributary status to OOE.

Their titles and appellations vary amongst clans in Yorubaland, for example, the Oba of Oyo is called ‘Alaafin of Oyo’ (Man of the palace at Oyo), some Obas’ titles are attributes to their land, examples are Oluwo of Iwo, Osolo of Isolo and so forth.

There are first class and second class Obas. First class Obas are of the ancient Yoruba kingdoms that had been in existence since the primordial era, the Alaafin, Ooni, Alake, Eleko (Oba of Lagos) are all first class Oba.

Second class Obas are the Obas of less popular kingdoms in Yorubaland, the first class and second class Oba do wear beaded crowns and royal regalia, they also hold ‘Irukere’ (fly-whisk).

There are Baale (Father of the land) who are mainly viceroys and do not wear crown as they are affiliates and their towns are tributary to a neighbouring Oba.

An Oba title is not necessarily hereditary in Yorubaland although history has it that at the outset of every kingdom, powers are transferred hereditary I.e. From an Oba to the crown prince but some strange events compromised it, for example, a situation where the Oba has no prince or the prince is too young to become an Oba, a situation where the kingdom was defeated and the royal family was exiled etc. Apart from OOE where The Oyomesi cabinet is chooser of Oba, the common method is, once an Oba dies, the Olu-awo (Head of Ifa) of the kingdom is consulted by the Ijoyes (Chiefs) to follow ancestral means of choosing the next Oba, the Olu-awo would consult the Orisa of different deities and after some rigorous sacrifices and rituals, he (Olu-Awo) would pronounce whom is next to become the Oba.

An ancient Oba in Yorubaland would normally be the wealthiest, most influential and most important personality. They enjoyed life to the extreme, Yoruba would often say ‘Oun je aiye oloba’ (living the life of a king) if someone is living flamboyantly.

The Obas of course had many responsibilities and privileges that come with their high-status role. As divine Obas, they had access to special powers and extraordinary wisdom to carry out their thoughtful tasks. They settle disputes, pass judgements; compensate and punish, protect their subjects, develop the land among others.

An ancient Oba would have a lot of privileges among them would be ‘gbese le’ (the act of an Oba putting his leg on a kneeling woman’s shoulder). An ancient Oba could marry any woman at anytime, all he needed to do was to gbese le (oral history states this is quite uncommon). That gesture signifies ownership and marriage to the woman. If an Oba was on his forecourt, any subject who walked pass must stop to greet him. Therefore, any beautiful woman who catches his eyes might become his wife.

In this case, if the woman was married, an ‘Aroko’ (material message) would be sent to the husband to indicate the divorce and remarry of his wife, he would however though be compensated.

Husbands would warn their wives to avoid the palace, not being disrespectful to the Oba, but to avoid the occurrence of ‘gbese le’

Ancient Obas were highly respected and were often referred to as ‘igbakeji Orisa’ (second to the supreme deity), an order of an Oba is of high magnitude and must be strictly adhered to, anyone who flouted their laws might be executed as shown in this saying: “Eni ba foju di oba, Awowo awo” (Awowo would wreck those who disobey Oba).

Awowo was a machete used to execute those who disobeyed the Obas in Ancient Yorubaland.
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Musiwa419:
Someone called my attention to the radio biafra facebook page. Those bastards wants to bring their nonsense protest to Lagos.