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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 11:14am On Nov 25, 2015 |
agaugust: So did the SADF conduct only conventional operations in Angola/Namibia? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 11:16am On Nov 25, 2015 |
agaugust: Tell that to the 80 000 detained illegal immigrants and 2000 apprehended criminals And what of your navy that cannot succeed in your own waters (Africas new piracy hotspot) And your army that cannot succeed in the Niger Delta or against Boko Haram? People in glass houses... |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 11:17am On Nov 25, 2015 |
agaugust: 1. Where does it say it trained top ANC fighters? 2. Ex Air-Cheif was trained in BASIC FLIGHT in Nigeria... wow so impressive 3. All ex-freedom fighters were re-trained by the SADF before they were allowed to wear the uniform This is truly the most pathetic argument you have ever made, utter desperation |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 11:18am On Nov 25, 2015 |
agaugust: Where does it say unarmed? 80 000 2000 criminals Feats Nigeria could only dream of |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 11:19am On Nov 25, 2015 |
agaugust: Maybe But your generals killed over 1 million Nigerians ANC has not done that O, and we are a democratic country |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 11:19am On Nov 25, 2015 |
agaugust: Compare the stats |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 11:27am On Nov 25, 2015 |
agaugust:Nigeria only trained a handful of ANC fighters, the majority were trained by Cuban and Angolan forces,and after that ALL of them were trained by the SADF before joining the new SANDF, or did Nigeria train the SADF as well? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by snydergp1st(m): 11:28am On Nov 25, 2015 |
Corruption at the helm of Nigerian Army's epic failure to stop rebels on donkeys carrying muskets. Soldiers complain of lack of ammunition and other supplies. http://news.yahoo.com/nigeria-pm-blames-corruption-weak-fight-against-boko-100635542.html 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by snydergp1st(m): 11:33am On Nov 25, 2015 |
Nigerian military is weak, underfunded and poorly equipped says said its former army chief. http://m.mgafrica.com/article/2015-07-31-parting-shot-nigerian-military-weak-and-a-tool-of-politicians-and-foreigners-says-sacked-army-chief |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 12:01pm On Nov 25, 2015 |
Budget makes provision for new equipment for SANDF "The South African National Defence Force (SANDF) will be acquiring medium and light transport aircraft, torpedoes, mobile communications and air launched missiles, as funding has been allocated for these items in the Department of Defence’s budget." http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=41569:budget-makes-provision-for-new-equipment-for-sandf&catid=111:sa-defence&Itemid=242 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 1:59pm On Nov 25, 2015 |
snydergp1st:Since the SANDF is doing worse. http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-33889/ Sixty-two percent of SANDF facilities in unacceptable condition |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:01pm On Nov 25, 2015 |
Patchesagain: SANDF army's 1970s ancient style RUGBY FOOTBALL TEAM STYLE exercises does not include amphibious combat war games, your army can only operate on dry land....fvcking dry land army.....and the dry land must always be brown color to match your non-versatile brownie camo uniforms. Nigerian army brigade level exercises includes full amphibious warfare, we have a balanced training and balanced all terrain warfare capability and competence....trained to fight anywhere in the world ! 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 2:02pm On Nov 25, 2015 |
Patchesagain:you mean civil rule. ANC has been in affairs for 21 years despite massive failure in military and economy. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 2:08pm On Nov 25, 2015 |
mzilakazi:In November 1996, The Economist, which could fairly profess its objectivity in commentaries on Nigeria, declared plainly that Abacha had won his year-long contest against the combined forces of the Commonwealth, the European Union, South Africa, and the United States. That formidable combination of adversaries was unable to compel Abacha’s ruling junta to cede power to its domestic opponents, or even to a coalition of civilians controlled by its supporters, any sooner than it wished to do so, if at all. Despite Nigeria’s interminable and debilitating political crisis, and related threats of sectionalist separatism, the junta has been able to withstand the assault mounted by leading Western powers and their allies. This is the link you brought to prove Mandela brought democracy to Nigeria. You shot yourself not in the foot but right in the head. The excerpt below is the summary of your own link. How spectacularly humiliating |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:25pm On Nov 25, 2015 |
agaugust: You have only had one Brigade exercise in the last decade. FACT You also have no force projection - meaning amphibious operations training is pointless. And fact is, the fighting happens on the land - and we focus on that. So while you are messing around with small numbers of men on boats... we are doing Brigade sized and co-ordinated para-drops and armored assaults, deployment of air-mobile infantry, TALO operations etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quKolu3swBE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4EL-Yrw_bs SANDF = constant brigade sized training with the most advanced training equipment on the continent Nigeria = one exercise in a decade 1 Like
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 2:25pm On Nov 25, 2015 |
agaugust:1. WTF is that supposed to mean? 2. When we need to cross water, we just build a fvcking bridge, as easy as that. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:30pm On Nov 25, 2015 |
agaugust: 1. How are they "RUGBY FOOTBALL TEAM STYLE"? 2. How are yours different? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:04pm On Nov 25, 2015 |
jln115: Bwahaha Inferior + Obsolete SANDF needs to build DURING BATTLE a bride to cross water in modern day year 2015 !!! During speed advance, hot pursuit, retreat, or quick intervention/rapid response situations, there will be NO time to start building a bridge during an ongoing battle ! SANDF is a dry land only army.....Nigeria has about 500 amphibious armoured APCs and IFVs....your SANDF is inferior and obsolete. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:23pm On Nov 25, 2015 |
Patchesagain: Whoooosh !!! Humiliated !!! Your two videos show NOTHING BRIGADE size, all we see are about 20 men paratroopers Nigeria had TWO brigade size NA+NN+NAF multiple-brigade size exercises in 11 years, TAKUTE 2004 and OLOGUN 2009, in 2014 we had LAFIYA DOLE final offensive exercise of SIX BRIGADES combined, and straight from that war game they went into REAL LIFE war that South Africa has NEVER fought in that magnitude in the last 70 years ! SADF/SANDF has NEVER deployed up to one full brigade to war in the last 70 years. Nigeria does not need yearly brigade size war games when we already deploy about 3 to 6 brigades into real war consistently for the past 25 years all over Africa in real life war, not Rugby Football match war games of South African military. SANDF, SAN, SAAF have NEVER graduated to fighting any real tri-service war in real life, your Rugby players army never goes into any competition against real opponents, they are always stuck with training by themselves alone in an indoor hall, arranging combat forces like oranges on a table for sale by market women ! Nigeria combines training with constant war experience in real life , we are superior to you home baby sitters military. Tell me, how does your navy SAN, participate in joint army, navy, air force war games if you only train on brown sand dry lands with no amphibious war game, your frigates and submarines drive with Dunlop or Michelin tyres on dry land to join the army on the field? All your SANDF training is garbage to be dumped into the incinerator. Rugby Football tactics army .
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:25pm On Nov 25, 2015 |
agaugust: 1. We didnt have a problem in Angola - a land full of rivers and against an enemy with many amphibious vehicles 2. We is the US/UK abandoning Amphibious vehicles? Main point: What does Nigeria know about organized brigade sized warfare? You dont train for it! |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 4:29pm On Nov 25, 2015 |
lezz: SOUTH AFRICA didn't help to help put pressure against military rule, that's under reporting; SOUTH AFRICA FREED YOU AND UNSHACKLE YOUR CHAINS OF 800 YEARS OF MECHANTILE SLAVERY. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:32pm On Nov 25, 2015 |
agaugust: 1. Read about Ex Joint Accord - you blithering idiot (you want a video to record each man?) 2. So you have 3 Brigade exercises in a decade? We have close to 3 a year - again we win 3. SANDF has never deployed a Brigade into war in 70 years? Here is a list of about 30 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_operations_of_the_South_African_Border_War 4. So soldiers dont need to train? 5. How is what Nigeria does different to "Rugby Footbal match" that we do? 6. SANDF, SAN, SAAF and SAN have 25 years of tri-service operation under their belt as well as involvement in yearly Seboka Exercises and this years Ex Young Eagle 7. Training > Experience 8. SAN does regular operations with SF units - such as parachuting them onto a submarine and infiltrating them on land. I am not even going to bother adressing the complete innefectual nature of your armies operations The main point is - how is SANDF "rugby football tactics wrong" when it was so effective in Angola? I keep asking but you are never able to respond! 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 4:33pm On Nov 25, 2015 |
agaugust: You have been whooped bitterly. Your body is supposed to be arching as we speak. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:33pm On Nov 25, 2015 |
Patchesagain: 1. You actually had a problem, your lack of large scale amphibious warfare capability stopped you from landing a huge amphibious force inside Angola to cut off Cuban forces from behind and trap them to get killed in HAMMER & ANVIL battlefield strategy, that was how Nigeria defeated Biafra and broke the stalemate that was happening on land warfare only. South Africa lacks amphibious warfare capability. 2. Citation to prove US/UK are abandoning amphibious vehicles.....prove it ! . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:39pm On Nov 25, 2015 |
Patchesagain: Your list does not tell us how many troops were deployed in each of those operations, it could have been 400 men for some of those deployments, a brigade is about 5,000 men and SANDF has NOT achieved that in 70 years. Nigeria does it constantly for 25 years non-stop, we will whoop your weak chicken army AZZ if we meet in combat with your rookie greenhorn ZERO experience army You quoted Wikipedia that frauds like you can edit and post false data? Desperado Patrick now using Wikipedia as source, it all goes into the thrash bin, no Wiki here dude ! |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:40pm On Nov 25, 2015 |
agaugust: 1. You did not do that to Biafra - and your amphib ops in that war were all complete failures 1a. Such an operation does not fit our doctrine or the political situation at the time. Also, Nigeria has not amphibious warfare capabilities either - or do you have a secret landing amphibious dock we dont know about 2.Ok New british IFV/APC http://www.army-technology.com/projects/scout-specialist-vehicle/ American wheeled IFV - not amphib https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stryker Latest Bradley IFV upgrades removed Amphibious capabilities http://www.g2mil.com/bradley.htm What you fail to realize is that amphibious vehicles dont have proper armor, light armor means easy to kill. Since Nigeria has no real warfighting experience you do not yet know this, and since your units are expected to fight without support (because you lack training) your men are expected to cross rivers by themselves. Water obsticles can be crossed with bridges. Dead soldiers cant be fixed. 2 Likes
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:41pm On Nov 25, 2015 |
agaugust: Read the list How will you defeat us when 4000 boko haram armed with muskets thrashed 20 000 of your soldiers for 5 years? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:49pm On Nov 25, 2015 |
Patchesagain: I have answered your question again and again. 1. Nigerian training includes both land, air, sea and amphibious ops all combined. We are different from your army that is stuck on dry land. 2. The Rugby stadium tactics of SANDF is NOT fluid, it is static with set piece low mobility, it lacks fluidity needed in modern day warfare. 3. Also the SANDF training lacks the high speed mobility needed to defeat modern day fast paced asymmetric warfare. Your army war games training has ZERO asymmetric component. I HAVE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION AND PROVED MY FACTS RIGHT WITH THE ABOVE. 5. Training > Experience you keep saying....but Nigeria has both, you have only one, we have the two. NA outclasses SANDF with that. SANDF is a paper tiger, that is why AU and UN cannot trust you to lead any mission, Tanzanian army is your boss in Congo 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:50pm On Nov 25, 2015 |
Patchesagain: Your Wikipedia source is NOT acceptable here, I wont read garbage. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 4:52pm On Nov 25, 2015 |
Patchesagain:South Africa's total democracy time =21 years. 1994 to 2015 Nigeria's total democracy time= 26 years. 1960 to 1966 until military interruption. 1979 to 1983 until mmilitary interruption 1999 to present. Once again empty lies and ego tripping. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:53pm On Nov 25, 2015 |
agaugust: 1. SANDF conducts air-operations (Ex Young Eagle) you do not. You have only conducted 3 Brigade Ex in a decade - so you dont train either 2. How do you conclude this? Did you watch the same video we did? where an entire Moto Inf brigade deployed to the feild and assaulted the target in under 10 min? Or where a mech inf formation performed a high speed assault? 3. How do you conclude this? No, you make statements but you do not substantiate them. We are world renowned for high speed high mobility warfare - it is what we are known for as I have shown by posting a study done by the USMC who tried to figure out how we do what we do |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:55pm On Nov 25, 2015 |
agaugust: If you wish to claim the facts are wrong then post facts of your own. You said we do not conduct Brigade level combat operations - I gave you a list of around 30 of them. |
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