Lets all just take a breather . . . . . .if we wanna stay off the thread for a few days to chillax catch back our mojo! all well and good but leaving guys is not an option here, you guys have fought tribals wars and repeatedly won and your records in those regards are legendary. . . . .
I certainly understand all your angers and resentments regarding Seun's latest misadventure but at the same time lets not give those nay sayers ammunition to say they literally indirectly killed the "The Yoruba people's thread" . . . it's okay to be upset but not okay to leave the fight/thread just now, it might interest you to know this thread has undeniably brought many core ghost guest out of the woods and given them lots of reason to bare their mind on many burning national and regional matters, ideally they wouldn't have bothered in the hey days of tribal wars.
And again this thread is acting as a reference point to our yoruba brothers and sisters all over the world desiring to see what a real time online conversation/information/discuss about our strength, struggles, joys and victories of all things Yoruba, if you ask me? information out here and sentiments shared herein far out weights anything you read in text book and above all we are leaving good resources and digital footprints online for all to see especially for our 21st century yoruba in the diaspora in particular.
So lets exercise restraint and this too will certainly pass . . . .
You've said it all Sir.
One of the reasons why I changed my mind this morning and begged the Bororo. He's supposed to be our kisman, it's quite unfortunate.
The most important thing is that we got our thread back. I'm glad.
I think that's a very good suggestion.We can keep things mellow for now till the mojo returns
FFKfuckedBIANCA, his Shymm3x and Profshymex accounts are still active so we're good
I hope 9jacrip/MayorofLagos are still around
Yes, I just deactivated the new one cos that little phaggot kid, mynd, banned that one as well. He's inconsequential and if I were go to war, that would be between the owner and I. The little phaggot is some kid that won't even dare look straight into my eyes in person. I just quickly left the forum for CIF for some banter - I'm back now.
Anyway, I think I understand what these folks are trying to do. So we need to stop talking about them and continue from where we stopped. They can't kill our spirit - Yorubaland and the legacies of our Yoruba ancestors can never be derailed. Yoruba ancestors never lost any wars, apart from the duels Oyo at its infant stage had with the Nupes in Katanga (the rest were internecine wars). After that, we were victorious in all battles, all the way to present day Ghana - and that's the spirit we need going forward.
Snakes and jakes have always been part of black history and, they're the reason why the black race is messed up today. The enemies within. During slavery they had the house kneegrows who messed things up. When the time for colonisation came - the black colonial soldiers with fez hats were the ones who helped the white man in conquering Africa and enforcing colonisation. Then they moved from there to helping the white man in committing genocide and all kinds of atrocities against their brothers and sisters. And today we've coons, Uncle Toms, and Aunt Tomasinas - the jiggaboos and coconuts doing the same thing. Also, when you look at how disunited Yoruba folks are today - you'll see the enemies within in action.
So we can't give in to them - let's continue against all odds.
AGAINST ALL ODDS - Tupac, can you hear me?
Are you still down, aareonakakanfo? - I'm going to get the thread back rolling by replying the posts from yesterday. Then we can move forward from there.
Yes, I just deactivated the new one cos that little phaggot kid, mynd, banned that one as well. He's inconsequential and if I were go to war, that would be between the owner and I. The little phaggot is some kid that won't even dare look straight into my eyes in person. I just quickly left the forum for CIF for some banter - I'm back now.
Anyway, I think I understand what these folks are trying to do. So we need to stop talking about them and continue from where we stopped. They can't kill our spirit - Yorubaland and the legacies of our Yoruba ancestors can never be derailed. Yoruba ancestors never lost any wars, apart from the duels Oyo at its infant stage had with the Nupes in Katanga (the rest were internecine wars). After that, we were victorious in all battles, all the way to present day Ghana - and that's the spirit we need going forward.
Snakes and jakes have always been part of black history and, they're the reason why the black race is messed up today. The enemies within. During slavery they had the house kneegrows who messed things up. When the time for colonisation came - the black colonial soldiers with fez hats were the ones who helped the white man in conquering Africa and enforcing colonisation. Then they moved from there to helping the white man in committing genocide and all kinds of atrocities against their brothers and sisters. And today we've coons, Uncle Toms, and Aunt Tomasinas - the jiggaboos and coconuts doing the same thing. Also, when you look at how disunited Yoruba folks are today - you'll see the enemies within in action.
So we can't give in to them - let's continue against all odds.
AGAINST ALL ODDS - Tupac, can you hear me?
Are you still down, aareonakakanfo? - I'm going to get the thread back rolling by replying the posts from yesterday. Then we can move forward from there.
Yes, I just deactivated the new one cos that little phaggot kid, mynd, banned that one as well. He's inconsequential and if I were go to war, that would be between the owner and I. The little phaggot is some kid that won't even dare look straight into my eyes in person. I just quickly left the forum for CIF for some banter - I'm back now.
Anyway, I think I understand what these folks are trying to do. So we need to stop talking about them and continue from where we stopped. They can't kill our spirit - Yorubaland and the legacies of our Yoruba ancestors can never be derailed. Yoruba ancestors never lost any wars, apart from the duels Oyo at its infant stage had with the Nupes in Katanga (the rest were internecine wars). After that, we were victorious in all battles, all the way to present day Ghana - and that's the spirit we need going forward.
Snakes and jakes have always been part of black history and, they're the reason why the black race is messed up today. The enemies within. During slavery they had the house kneegrows who messed things up. When the time for colonisation came - the black colonial soldiers with fez hats were the ones who helped the white man in conquering Africa and enforcing colonisation. Then they moved from there to helping the white man in committing genocide and all kinds of atrocities against their brothers and sisters. And today we've coons, Uncle Toms, and Aunt Tomasinas - the jiggaboos and coconuts doing the same thing. Also, when you look at how disunited Yoruba folks are today - you'll see the enemies within in action.
So we can't give in to them - let's continue against all odds.
AGAINST ALL ODDS - Tupac, can you hear me?
Are you still down, aareonakakanfo? - I'm going to get the thread back rolling by replying the posts from yesterday. Then we can move forward from there.
[b]Haha! I've spoken with him and he seems to be a cool character.I think he's Yoruba too.I've made some suggestions and he has promised to put that into effect
I noticed the title is now in lower case so I have to wait till Aareonakakanfo gets unbanned before I change it to upper case
To be honest,I was ready to give up on the thread yesterday unless it's moved back to where it belongs.I was skimming through Nairaland and I couldn't even find a single thread that caught my fancy.All bullch!t threads.I wanted to cross over to the sports section but I wasn't ready to take any cheap insult that'll make me lose my calm.Those mo.fos over there are fond of that
Anyways I'm back.I'm thinking about the other option as well.I'd like to know what you think
Speaking of Aunt Tomasinas,I didn't really see anyone who was okay with what happened yesterday except this !ddIot.She was even mocking us.I think we need to stop taking jokes from this ffool and put her on check.I'm trying to invite some crucial people in here and we can't afford to let ret.ards mess things up after all she doesn't contribute anything meaningful.She's a snitch and we need to get rid of characters like this from our midst.I don't even care.Any comment from her will be reported by me.Just look at her comments[/b]
[b]Haha! I've spoken with him and he seems to be a cool character.I think he's Yoruba too.I've made some suggestions and he has promised to put that into effect
I noticed the title is now in lower case so I have to wait till Aareonakakanfo gets unbanned before I change it to upper case
To be honest,I was ready to give up on the thread yesterday unless it's moved back to where it belongs.I was skimming through Nairaland and I couldn't even find a single thread that caught my fancy.All bullch!t threads.I wanted to cross over to the sports section but I wasn't ready to take any cheap insult that'll make me lose my calm.Those mo.fos over there are fond of that
Anyways I'm back.I'm thinking about the other option as well.I'd like to know what you think
Speaking of Aunty Tomasinas,I didn't really see anyone who was okay with what happened yesterday except this !ddIot.She was even mocking us.I think we need to stop taking jokes from this ffool and put her on check.I'm trying to invite some crucial people in here and we can't afford to let ret.ards mess things up after all she doesn't contribute anything meaningful.She's a snitch and we need to rid of characters like this from our midst.I don't even care.Any comment from her will be reported by me.Just look at her comments[/b]
Lool.
I don't even want to talk about that nyggah again. Time to get the thread popping again.
As for Tilapia, she's mentally unstable and she's basically just looking attention - don't feed the troll. And if you want to e-smack her, just smack her in one post, and leave it.
I don't even think she's a snitch. I'm more worried about "isalegan" who's most likely posting as "Lushore" than tilapia. That one right there is the biggest green snake on this forum. You need to start observing certain patterns. Keep the 3rd eye open and I'm sure the mods know those who're reporting the thread.
Anyway, I don't think anyone reported it the last time. I checked and it seems it was cos "9jacrip" posted this Yoruba phrase "e s3un" and that dragged the owner here. And he found the perfect excuse he has been looking for to move the thread cos we were discussing history on that page. I observe things.
Hello Shymmex, First, what took Bini to Lagos, what was their business there? Bini itself did not have domain on the coast, it was an hinterland seat of political power. Lagos was under constant invasion by Dahomey and at a point the Idejo chiefs sent to Alaafin for protection against the raids from Dahomey. The Aworis did not have a constituted army or navy force and were not warriors. They did not wage war against other territories and neither was a war waged against them, but their land was blessed with agricultural produce. Since Dahomey was in constant war and battles attacking neighbouring states or defending against them, hardly any time was spent by these people growing food, so they raided for food and produce.
The defense of Lagos was impractical for Oyo because their horses were part of the army force and victory against an enemy depended on their health and well being. The risk of loosing the horses to sickness increases the farther they marched South and to the coast. Oyo turned the Idejo Chiefs to Bini for help.
Binis fought on foot and on waters but not at sea since they were not a sea people. Lagos is on the sea. Bini needed a sea force. This is where Ilaje came in.
Thanks for that, Sir.
It makes sense now.
So it was basically the Ilajes who were the middlemen between Eko and Bini, and they provided the means of transportation to get the Binis to Eko - without the need to go through Ijebu Kingdom.
Not saying the Binis wouldn't have defeated the Ijebus back then cos they would've due to how powerful Bini kingdom was. However, there's no written record of the two either going to war. or Ijebu kingdom ever getting conquered/subjugated by Bini. Apart from some jejune oral tale, which historians believed were just mere fables, due to the fact that there was no Bini influence in Ijebu kingdom back then - unlike the other places that were Bini tributaries. And the Ijebu kingdom remained in isolation till the Imagbon war (Anglo-Ijebu war).
More questions, Sir:
- Is there any Ilaje among the Idejo Chiefs?
- And do the Ilajes have any quarters on the Island?
[b]I don't even have time for the foo.l.I just wish she'll stop commenting here.Das all
How can you tell when someone reports a thread tho?I don't know how that works.The lushore character seems cool too.I checked their posts and there's a lot of difference.Anyways I'm not so familiar with the two so we're good as long as they don't come here to troll.
So yeah eerm I'm thinking of getting DAWN here so once they get here,Its straight buiness.South-west states too even though that might be a little bit difficult to pull through
I think we should also avoid romani discussions as well.What we should do now is discuss about Arts, history, culture, individual achievements and any positive news emanating from the Commonwealth.I also want us to talk more about the Yorubas outside the south-west.The ones in Benin,Togo,Kogi, and even as far as Brazil.
I think we need to reduce the fantasy league ideas for now since nothing is being put to effect.That's just waste of time .Once those guys get here,then we can get back to business[/b]
Lool.
Tilapia has close to two million handles - she's like musiwa. So it's better to leave, or just smack her very hard once. That's what I do whenever she gets on my nerves. Wasting time on her would make her start creating numerous threads about you. I swear that sociopath has created up to 10 threads for me - she's that crazy.
Yes, we just need to focus on what we set out to do and leave out the distractions. But hey, we also gotta have fun from time to time with our banter, videos, gifs, etc..
Tilapia has close to two million handles - she's like musiwa. So it's better to leave, or just smack her very hard once. That's what I do whenever she gets on my nerves. Wasting time on her would make her start creating numerous threads about you. I swear that sociopath has created up to 10 threads for me - she's that crazy.
Yes, we just need to focus on what we set out to do and leave out the distractions. But hey, we also gotta have fun from time to time with our banter, videos, gifs, etc..
Lol the comment has even been deleted.Smh!
Yeah the emboldened is crucial.We gats mess around you know
Bro, other links apart from the one by A. Ayinde didn't open the works. Rather, I was taken straight to the homepage. When I get on a computer I'll look for the papers.
The Ayinde work reveals quite a lot of things to me in connecting Ijebu to Ife/Yoruba.
The Osugbo greeting. Osugbo/Ogboni can be said to exists prior to or immediately a Yoruba town develops an organized political system. Hence, I believe, going by the migration story that Osugbo/Ogboni in Ijebu is as old as its political system or even older which by implication means the early Ijebu periods had something to do with Ife.
The tribal mark pele theh've always had from inceprion till abolition.
My thoughts; Ijebu have been known to be a group enclosed away from others. No level of fusion with other Yoruba town/group is known and as a result there is no way they could have developed core Ife/Yoruba practices in isolation.
Ijebus actually migrated from Ife, in three migration waves, according to T. O. Ogunkoya. I think the Waddai theory is basically cos there's an "Ode" in Waddai and "Ode" is synonymous with every Ijebu settlement - Ijebu Ode, Ode Remo, and Ode Itsekiri. However, I do believe the Ijebus like every other Yoruba subgroup went through Ife before migrating southwards.
According to T.O. Ogunkoya, these are the three Ijebu migration waves from Ife:
1). Olu-Iwa, Ajebu, and Olode era.
2). Arisu aka Oba Ijasi era.
3). Ogborogan aka Obanta and Awujale era. Apparently, he was the grandson of Olu-Iwa and a product of Olu-Iwa's daughter, Gborowo's marriage to Oduduwa.
So is there any record of a woman named, "Gborowo", in ife as one of Oduduwa's wives? Also, T.O. Ogunkoya claimed Oduduwa had 16 children and Ogborogan (Obanta/Awujale) was one of them. How true is that?
CabbieAC: Shymm8x speaking of Lushore,he or she has posted some really quality stuffs on this thread and its very unlikely the character is the same as the one you reffered to as a snitch.
Lushore I sight you
Let's leave that for now and whoever's doing what and whatnot should know.
Anyway, we need to talk about Obalufe.
9jacrip,
Can you help us with the history of Obalufe? That's one fascinating man Yoruba history has never been favourable to.
[size=16pt]Igbos having ‘Eze, Igwe, Obi’ in Yorubaland is an affront – Ondo Obas[/size]
The Council of Obas in Ondo State has condemned installations of Eze Ndigbo in the South-West.
A communiqué issued yesterday by the council in Akure after its monthly meeting described the trend as “an affront on the state traditional rulers.”
The Obas said having another king in an area where there was one already recoginsed was an attempt to embarrass the Yoruba traditional rulers and the entire institution.
It said that the use of titles such as Eze, Igwe, Obi or any other synonym was not acceptable in the state and that the only chieftaincy title recognized was the one bestowed by the traditional ruler in the state on Igbo indigenes such as chairman or president or leader of Igbo descents.
“The continued use of Eze Ndigbo chieftaincy title and flaunting of paraphernalia of Ndigbo traditional institution in Ondo State is a calculated attempt to embarrass the Yoruba traditional rulers,” the monarchs agreed.
“It is also meant to desecrate the Yoruba traditional institution. It is also an affront on Ondo State traditional rulers”, they added.
The Obas said that the issue of Eze Ndigbo chieftaincy title in Ondo State, which was the title of traditional rulers in Igbo communities, was alien to Yoruba and tradition.
They said, “it is a way of arrogating to the Igbo leaders the traditional power and equating themselves to Yoruba Obas.”
The Obas added that it was forbidden under the extant Chiefs’ Law for any person who was not a recognized Oba in Ondo State to wear a crown, costume or any other paraphernalia of an Oba.
“It is an infraction of the penal law and indeed the Chiefs Law in Ondo State for any person to parade himself as either a minor chief or recognized chief without the requisite approval of the prescribed authority or the State Executive Council as the case may be,’’ they said.
The Council therefore warned that, “whoever wants to be a traditional ruler among the Igbos or any other ethnic groups should go to his domain for such.”
The Yoruba Diaspora in Latin-America - Dr Félix Ayoh Omidire "The present research takes as its point of departure the concept of a mundialized Yoruba identity observable in the Americas. In his doctoral research which concentrated mainly on the Yoruba Diaspora in Brazil, Dr. Félix Ayoh Omidire referred to this identity as the concept of YoruBaianidade. This concept was defined as the spirit of ethnic, ideological, political, symbolic, cultural and religious affiliation of contemporary Latin-American subjects to what Matory (1994) called the Yoruba Atlantic Complex, a world in which predominates the worldview as well as the philosophy of life of the Yorubas"
The present research takes as its point of departure the concept of a mundialized Yoruba identity observable in the Americas. In his doctoral thesis
Yoruba culture in the Caribbean and surrounding region
"Etu & Nago: The Yoruba Connection is the story of a select group of Jamaicans living in the western parishes of Hanover and Westmoreland whose Yoruba/Nago ancestors arrived in Jamaica as indentured servants during the 1840s. The backdrop to this story is Jamaica, once a colony dotted with sugarcane plantations and populated by enslaved Africans from West and Central Africa. It was home to the first Maroons to sign a treaty of freedom with their British colonizers.
After the emancipation of African enslavement in the British colonies in 1834, slavers bound for Brazil and Cuba were captured and taken to Sierra Leone, West Africa, where their human cargo was released. This action bankrupted many plantation owners in the Caribbean. After the vestiges of slavery were completely abolished, African recaptives in Sierra Leone were lured into migrating to Caribbean islands as indentured servants. They were promised ongoing contact with relatives on the African continent and a return ticket home at the end of their tenure. However, these promises were never kept except to a small group of Africans in Jamaica who protested and agitated until they were granted passage home.
Stranded Africans raised families and finally died in Jamaica. Nigerian Yoruba/Nago were among these immigrants. Some of them settled in the parish of Westmoreland and named the place Abeokuta in memory of their hometown in Nigeria. Descendants of other Yoruba who were located in the parish of Hanover preserved their forefathers’ legacy in their Etu ritual. This ceremony of thanksgiving and supplication to the ancestral spirits is a vital link to the past from which their forefathers were rudely uprooted."
Excerpt from Olodumare from IFÉ, three Yoruba Songs by Philip Glass
One of the most common misconceptions about Africa, my continent, is that its culture and its arts are primitive. It suggests that African art is closest to the beginning of mankind, closer to a time when we were still half-beast/half-man! Why so much ignorance? Would it be because the story of Africa has been told by the Western and Middle Eastern civilizations, who had to dehumanize African people in order to justify slavery?
But the truth is our culture is extraordinarily rich, diverse and beautiful. A few years ago, I was visiting the IFÉ exhibition of Nigerian art at the British Museum in London. I was struck by these magnificent bronze sculptures with very realistic features. When they were discovered in the Yoruba kingdom at the beginning of the 20th century, scientists were so puzzled by their realism that they claimed a Greek tribe must have landed on the shore of the African Gold coast in the 14th century. Such sophistication could not belong to what used to be called the "Dark Continent"!
As a globe-trotting singer-songwriter from West Africa, I have always felt that my mission on this earth was to bring the warmth, the beauty and sophistication of African culture to the attention of the rest of the world. I wanted to fight the preconception of a primitive Africa. On this journey, I have made many musical collaborations with Brazilian, Cuban and American artists. It came naturally because the music of the slaves has travelled so much and influenced the music of these cultures. But through all that, one last frontier always remained: the world of Classical music. It appeared insurmountable because it had been made to embody the essence of civilization and contrasted with the supposed primitiveness of African music.
Then, one day Timothy Walker, the artistic director of the London Philharmonic Orchestra, heard me sing in New York and told me: "I am not familiar with the African musical traditions but I love your voice and I think it would be a perfect match with an Orchestra." When he asked which contemporary composer I would like to work with, I told him: Philip Glass. I loved the man and his music and I knew the respect and knowledge he had for cultures outside of the Western world.
And there it was: the idea for the philharmonic piece -- IFE, THREE YORÙBÁ SONGS, which will premiere on July 10th with the San Francisco Symphony -- was born out of a discussion in Philip's kitchen. It was all about the marriage between the mysterious Yoruba legends of the kingdom of IFÉ and the beautiful style of his music, which is like a living organism, constantly growing, moving and developing in a hypnotic way, all of which resembles the trance of my Beninese rhythms.
Philip told me: "Angelique, together we have built a bridge that no one has walked on before." In this world we're living in today, in which every community seems so connected yet so isolated from one another, it is all the more important to build this kind of bridge.
Maybe I am naïve, but I believe music is a powerful tool of social change. Last year in August, on the night Ferguson was burning, during a James Brown tribute at the Hollywood Bowl, I told the crowd: Music has to be the language of the people, has to be the freedom of the people. Now I want you to understand one thing tonight: we're all Africans, so when I say "Say It Loud", please tell me, all of you, it doesn't matter what skin color you think you have, that you are "Black and Proud"! To my amazement, I saw 15,000 people, from all origins, stand up and, caught in the moment, they sung with me James Brown's Anthem: "Say It Loud, I'm Black and I'm Proud." It made me feel so good!
Music has the power of breaking boundaries and unifying people beyond all the barriers we create. IFE, my collaboration with Philip Glass, represents exactly this: we're the living proof cultures are not exclusive one to the other -- they can and they will melt with each other. I hope this piece will change the meaning of "African music" and "Classical music." Their limits are just in our minds. The reason this kind of collaboration hasn't been done before is because, for hundred and hundred of years, the legacy of colonization has made everyone think of African people as primitive and ignorant people. This is the same logic that prevented Jazz music from entering the concert hall for decades and rap lyricists from being considered great poets. But, in the end, when politics fail, art can succeed.
In her famous TED talk, Chimamanda Adiche has warned us that people are easily buying into the single story of Africa. In fact, it's not just about the single story of Africa or the single story of Classical music, it's about fighting the danger of the single story everywhere. It tends to always be "us" versus "them" but I believe, in art, there should only be "us"!
Philip, I'm so proud of the bridge we have built and I encourage everyone to built his or her own.
