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| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 11:49pm On Nov 27, 2015 |
Kastonkastroll: Serious. Doing my bits by searching for AYoruba oriented forums and posting my bits too. |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Lushore1: 11:58pm On Nov 27, 2015 |
CabbieAC: More of zeynab songs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znj1CjlIzOw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnkK8VYq7HE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AoWAc_hczE 1 Like |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Lushore1: 12:18am On Nov 28, 2015 |
Yoruba skit @ UW_madison https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wph_o_SRmo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZhXObRCFLw 1 Like |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 12:28am On Nov 28, 2015 |
Where the doozy, tupacshakur, at? That's a real nyggah.  |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 12:32am On Nov 28, 2015 |
What's the difference between "Obalufe" and "Obalufon"? |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 12:34am On Nov 28, 2015 |
Obatala. Before he was a god Artist. King. Artist/King. Warrior. Vanquished. Oduduwa adversary. Oduduwa older brother. Deity. Drunkard. Creator. Peace maker. Yoruba history is full of conflict. Actual conflict in historical events and conflict in the retelling of such events. Such conflict appears in answering the not-so-simple question of who Obatala was or is. Obatala is elevated for some Yoruba as Orisanla , a god, the creator of all human beings. Festivals hold annually in his honour in many Yoruba communities in the Homeland and in the Yoruba diaspora of Latin America and the Caribbean. In the Yoruba religion he is deeply revered. [img]https://theyoruba.files./2015/11/orishia-obatala-festival-trinidad.png?w=768[/img] To others he was a defeated king. Trying to understand Obatala from a current day angle is reminiscent of the 6 blind monks and the elephant. The 6 blind monks each groped a different aspect of the elephant and came to very different conclusions about what an elephant is. Wall , spear, snake, tree, fan and rope depending on whether the flank, tusk, trunk, knee , ear or tail was felt. Yoruba people in the Homeland and the diaspora , ‘blinded’ by the hundreds of years between the actual events and now, have contrasting views about who Obatala is /was. King, warrior, drunk, creator, etc etc… [img]https://theyoruba.files./2015/11/obatala-gender-neutral.jpg?w=247&h=325[/img] We know only what has been passed down to us orally. And so what we believe about Obatala depends on what our ancestors believed about him. Obatala the man? For those who accept that Obatala was an actual man who lived once in Yoruba land,they agree that he lived at the same time as Oduduwa ie 10th / 11th Century there was a struggle for domination between the two (this represented somewhat in the creation story as well) Obatala ruled the indigenous people around Ife in Yoruba land before Oduduwa Obatala was given to occasional drink ( in the creation story as well) Obatala was defeated by Oduduwa Oduduwa’s historical achievements dwarf Obatala’s as his kingdom came to an end through Oduduwa. (Even in the Yoruba creation story, Oduduwa took over the creation of human beings which was botched by a drunken Obatala) Above explains then why Obatala would be seen by some Yoruba as an actual man , a warrior, one who liked his drink… Obatala the god? The Yoruba , as noted by OB Lawuyi, being very religious ascribed spiritual meanings to objects, humans and events, eg Thunder was the wrath of God, iron the symbol of war or conflict, water the sign of fertility and political heroes became gods. So not unusual then that the two principal characters in the forming of the new Yoruba political order became gods… But how has the defeated Obatala come to be represented in the Yoruba religion as the overall king of the Orisa, and elevated even higher than Oduduwa? Some versions of the conflict between Oduduwa and Obatala say NOT that Obatala was humiliated in defeat , but that he avoided conflict and ceded power to the warlike Oduduwa. Obatala the peacemaker…. And so like that other peace loving man from Christian history, Obatala ceded his status as king. In so doing he displayed god-like character over and above his rival Oduduwa who was more concerned with power and land, and ascended in Yoruba folklore from man to supreme god. Obatala the supreme Orisa….. obatala sacerdotes Obatala priests – Pierre Verger Finally, some interpreters of tradition say that the period before Oduduwa was a peaceful and creative one , and that that “period when Obatala title was supreme,” was when ” the artistic masterpieces of Ile Ife were produced”- Ade Obayemi. ( Masterpieces presumably the Ife bronzes and terracottas). Obatala the creator…. [img]https://theyoruba.files./2015/11/ife-bronze.jpg?w=335&h=584&crop=1[/img] |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 12:42am On Nov 28, 2015 |
Speaking of Tupacshakur I stumbled upon a thread where you were telling that foo.l to come jam you at small London Iya ma je were  I believe you were talking about Medube right? MayorofLagos,are you familiar with Medube? |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 12:44am On Nov 28, 2015 |
CabbieAC: Small London? Me or someone else? |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 12:45am On Nov 28, 2015 |
I need some Davido and Fela Kuti tonight, mayne. |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 12:47am On Nov 28, 2015 |
shymm8x: Haha! that was directed at Tupacshakur There's somewhere in Surulere we call small London |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 12:48am On Nov 28, 2015 |
Fela Kuti. Lawd, Fela Kuti is the greatest ever - the drums/percussion/saxophone!!! Salute! If you call am woman/African woman no go agree/she go say I be lady oh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSVhz1laO5w |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 12:49am On Nov 28, 2015 |
CabbieAC: Tupacshakur is a thoroughbred - my type of nyggah. And we like the same type of women and the same rapper is our idol. Real nyggah. |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 12:50am On Nov 28, 2015 |
IlekeHD: Chai! Why your blood dey hot na I was talking about the option B Se bi eyin naa le so wipe programmer ni yin I don't even know what TeHn means |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 12:51am On Nov 28, 2015 |
shymm8x: Truer words never been said When someone tells you he knows small London,never take him for jokes lol |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 12:55am On Nov 28, 2015 |
angiography: Hmmmmmn Onreflection should know more about this Nduchuks you wan help us? |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by nduchucks: 12:55am On Nov 28, 2015 |
I'm in love with Zeynab.  |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 12:55am On Nov 28, 2015 |
CabbieAC: Where is "small London" in naij? Is it on the Island or mainland? If the place is live with real nyggahs - that's a spot I won't hitting when next I go naij. The last time I went, the live places with real nyggahs that I went to were all on the Island. Especially Campos. I'll never forget Campos - too many real nyggahs - old and young. And there are a few nice spots there. |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 12:57am On Nov 28, 2015 |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by angiography(m): 1:01am On Nov 28, 2015 |
CabbieAC:I really need it....and you get virtually nothing searching via google.... and getting a synopsis of it can even give us a topic to discuss in propagating our cause |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 1:01am On Nov 28, 2015 |
Fvcking Hell!!! CabbieAC - listen to the "Teacher Don't Teach Me Nonsense" tune and tell me the legend of Fela Kuti with the use of musical instruments!!! Fela Kuti is the greatest, yo!!! |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 1:04am On Nov 28, 2015 |
Listen to Fela Kuti blow the saxophone!! Fela Kuti - the greatest ever!! |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 1:04am On Nov 28, 2015 |
shymm8x: Small London is in Surulere.Its not far from National stadium.Its in Shitta Yeah the places is filled with real nyggahs but eeerrrm Not the type of place you will advise someone to go to lol especially if the person is not a thoroughbred Its for the thoroughbred only. Keep it thoro |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 1:06am On Nov 28, 2015 |
CabbieAC: How thorough though? Like Ice Cube said, every hood is the same - same nyggahs, same G-code. Real should recognise real. |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 1:12am On Nov 28, 2015 |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by nduchucks: 1:13am On Nov 28, 2015 |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 1:15am On Nov 28, 2015 |
Quimicababes Time to dance gobe for us. Seeee Gobeeeeeeeee! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFDu6ACKLKo 1 Like |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 1:15am On Nov 28, 2015 |
shymm8x: Its the most thorough hood I know in Lagos and maybe some parts of Mushin and Lagos Island I'm sure Tupachsakur is familiar with "Baba Alado".That's the "Wayne perry" of Mushin As per the Fela song,bbeautiful song Me and you no dey for the same.u category x4 Not the same category oooooo x4  I'm looking for that Lagbaja song.The one he sang after Atlanta 96 |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 1:17am On Nov 28, 2015 |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 1:20am On Nov 28, 2015 |
CabbieAC: What part of Lagos is the most thorough? Then again the average person in Lagos is wild as fvck. You get to the clubs and everyone is just wild and sweating. And the chics...darn, great things ah gwan.   |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by MayorofLagos(m): 1:23am On Nov 28, 2015 |
absoluteSuccess: Absolute Success, How are you doing my brother? I read your reference and I understand it, but did you understand my comment? I did not anywhere say Awori was conquered and I am not one of those who subscribe to the falsehood that Bini is on the throne on account of its conquest against Lagos. The truth is Dahomey was raiding Lagos and the truth is Bini conquered Dahomey in the lagoons and creeks of Lagos after an invite was sent to Bini for help against Dahomey. I do not have time at hand to perch on here and churn out historical facts about Lagos but I post what i can in a rush and depart. So that piece was incomplete and i believe that left room for meanings to be read into it. A key component was why Bini never had any conflict with Ijebu. Bini was not as ambitious as Oyo, they kept a defense force, whereas Oyo kept both attack and defense force. Oyo even had army reserves that can be activated at a moment notice. If Bini had interest to install its authority on the sea, the farmlands of Aworis along the coast would have been usurped, the Idejo chiefs would have been overthrown and their lands confiscated, the salt mines in Mahin would have been taxed, Ijebu would have lost domination of sea trade, Ilaje would have been made a subject and tributary. So I get it...none of these places was attacked by Bini, so what brought Bini with Ilaje war boats to Lagos? It couldnt be Awori...it had to be Awori antagonists and that was Dahomey. |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 1:27am On Nov 28, 2015 |
shymm8x: I think It depends on what you're reffering to as thorough If you're talking about hood/gangster,those places I mentioned are the most thorough Surulere is a fusion of everything to me tho. And yeah "Baba Alado" was more of a Wayne perry than Big meech I made a mistake |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 1:31am On Nov 28, 2015 |
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