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Abolition Of Nikkah Mut'ah / Marriage Of Mut'ah / Mut'ah(temporary Mariage) : Zina(adultery) of highest Order (2) (3) (4)
Mut'ah by jumzzy448: 11:18pm On Nov 27, 2015 |
Salam, I was on Google reading when I came across Mut'ah ( temporary marriage) Can someone please shed more light on this? Thanks. Modified: Further reading shows that the prophet banned Mut'ah. But it seems Shi'a Muslims are still practicing it. |
Re: Mut'ah by MrOlai: 1:59am On Nov 28, 2015 |
Wa'alaykum Salam. Mut’ah or temporary marriage refers to when a man marries a woman for a specific length of time in return for a particular amount of money. The basic principle concerning marriage is that it should be ongoing and permanent. Temporary marriage – i.e., mut’ah marriage – was permitted at the beginning of Islam, then it was abrogated and became haraam until the Day of Judgement. Just like the case of drinking of alcohol. Drinking of alcohol was not outrightly banned initially. It was finally banned later till the Day of Judgement. People were so deep in jahiliyyah/darkness at the ealier part of Islam during the lifetime of the Prophet(SAW). These evils people were committing were gradually and progressively removed from them until Allah(SWT) put final order to stop them. It was narrated from ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade mut’ah marriage and the meat of domestic donkeys at the time of Khaybar. According to another report, he forbade mut’ah marriage at the time of Khaybar and he forbade the meat of tame donkeys. Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3979; Muslim, 1407. It was narrated from al-Rabee’ ibn Sabrah al-Juhani that his father told him that he was with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) who said, “O people, I used to allow you to engage in mut’ah marriages, but now Allaah has forbidden that until the Day of Resurrection, so whoever has any wives in a mut’ah marriage, he should let her go and do not take anything of the (money) you have given them.” Narrated by Muslim, 1406. Allaah has made marriage one of His signs which calls us to think and ponder. He has created love and compassion between the spouses, and has made the wife a source of tranquility for the husband. He encouraged us to have children and decreed that a woman should wait out the ‘iddah period and may inherit. None of that exists in this haraam form of marriage. It is the Shi'ah who say this is permissible. A woman who is married in a mut’ah marriage, according to the Shi’ah, is neither a wife nor a concubine. According to Ayatollah Khomeini, a Shi'ah scholar, their followers can even sleep with harlots and prostitutes in the name of mut'ah! This is what the man said in his book "Tahir-ul-Wasila", Vol. 2, Page No. 292, "Temporary marriage can be for one day, a night, and even just a few hours ! But for Khomeini, that was not enough so he further states in the same book on Page No. 292, "Temporary marriage can be performed with harlots and prostitutes"! They even lied against the Prophet(SAW) by fabricating statement to back up their evil act! They have fabricated many lies trying to justify this clear haram act.... Anyone with the right mind can see that temporary marriage is clearly forbidden, but again the Shia have rejected all Hadiths in this matter and still continue to follow their desires, fornication, adultery etc. The Shia attribute, to the Prophet(SAW), the following false saying: "One who performs Mut'ah (temporary marriage) once will attain the rank of Imam Hussain, one who performs it twice will attain the rank of Imam Hassan, one who performs it thrice will attain the rank of Imam Ali and one who performs it four times will attain my rank". (Tafseer Mihaj-ul-Siddiqeen, Vol. No. 1, Page No. 356) Furthermore, in the same Shia book mentioned above, it is written clearly that the number of women that a person can be engaged with in temporary marriage at the same time is unlimited! But Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts, from illegal sexual acts) except from their wives..., for them, they are free from blame; But whoever seeks beyond that, then those are the transgressors” [al-Mu’minoon 23:5-7] The Shia quote invalid evidence to support their argument that mut’ah is permissible. For example: (a) They quote the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “…so with those of whom you have enjoyed sexual relations, give them their Mahr as prescribed…” [al-Nisa’ 4:24] They say: this verse indicates that mut’ah is permissible, and the word ‘their mahr (ujoorahunna – lit. their dues or their wages)’ is evidence that what is meant by the phrase ‘you have enjoyed sexual relations’ is mut’ah. The refutation of this is the fact that prior to this Allaah mentions the women whom a man is forbidden to marry, then he mentions what is permissible for him, and He commands the man to give to the woman he marries her mahr. The joy of marriage is expressed here by the word enjoyment (‘of whom you have enjoyed sexual relations’). A similar instance occurs in the Sunnah, in the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah according to which the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Woman is like a bent rib, if you try to straighten her you will break her. If you want to enjoy her, then enjoy her while she still has some crookedness in her.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4889; Muslim, 1468. The mahr is referred to here as ajr (lit. dues or wages), but this does not refer to the money which is paid to the woman with whom he engages in mut’ah in the contract of mut’ah. The mahr is referred to as ajr elsewhere in the Book of Allaah, where Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “O Prophet (Muhammad)! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridal‑money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage)…” [al-Ahzaab 33:50] Thus it becomes clear that there is no evidence in this verse to suggest that mut’ah is permissible. There are reports in the saheeh Sunnah which prove that mut’ah is forbidden until the Day of Resurrection. (b) The reports that some of the Sahaabah reogarded it as being permissible, especially Ibn ‘Abbaas. The refutation here is the fact that the Shi'ah are following their own whims and desires, because they regard the companions of the Prophet (may Allaah be pleased with them) as kaafirs, then you see them quoting their actions as permissible in this instance and in others. With regard to those who said that it is permissible, they are among those who did not hear that it had been forbidden. The Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) – including ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib and ‘Abd-Allaah ibn al-Zubayr – refuted Ibn ‘Abbaas’s view that mut’ah was permitted. It was narrated from ‘Ali that he heard Ibn ‘Abbaas permitting mut’ah marriage, and he said, “Wait a minute, O Ibn ‘Abbaas, for the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade it on the day of Khaybar and (he also forbade) the meat of tame donkeys.” Narrated by Muslim, 1407. For more information see Questions no. 1373, 2377, 6595. Wa Allah 'Alam. https://www.google.com.ng/search?q=mut%27a-+islamqa.com&oq=mut%27a&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j0j69i57j69i59j69i61l2.18521j0j4&sourceid=chrome-mobile&espv=1&ie=UTF-8 http://www.discoveringislam.org/mutah.htm 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Mut'ah by MrOlai: 2:16am On Nov 28, 2015 |
This is one of the shameless shia women in prostitution in the name of mut'ah, giving Islam bad name! May Allah(SWT) in His mercy pardon her and let her come to her senses (Amin). "A Muslim woman known as Fairuza is said to offer sex services to men but strictly keeps the Shia Islamic principles. The 25-yr-old escort reportedly performs the quickie service by reading a religious text in Arabic and takes the money as a "dowry". And once the deed is done, she divorced the two of them from their temporary marriage – “nikah mut’ah” – arrangement. According to The Sun, belly dancer Fairuza told an undercover reporter that once the marriage is up the client must wait three months to request the service again. In a secret video filmed by the newspaper, she revealed: "I married myself to you for one hour and agreed upon the money you’ve given me. It’s £300 and £50 for the marriage. If you want to renew it we can do it within three months. “Even though we do mut’ah, you must still use a condom. I don’t do it without condom. Some people think that if you do mut’ah you don’t have to use a condom.” The Daily Star reports that Fairuza is believed to be one of many Muslim women now offering the guilt-free service. On a hidden escort advertising website, Fairuza boasts to have "very beautiful natural 34DD breasts" and a "very pretty face with juicy lips". Her Twitter account, which is thought to have recently been deleted, had more than 85,000 followers – all of which could see her raunchy Coverless posts. In the video she explains that some men are converting to Shia Islam to take advantage of the sin-free sex. She explains: “I did it with one Saudi who converted to Shia Islam only so he could do mut’ah. "He was in London for two months. I was his wife for the two months. I lived with him and I wasn’t allowed to be with any other man. He paid very good money. “He is coming back next year and we’ll do it again." https://www.google.com.ng/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://pulse.ng/religion/in-uk-muslim-prostitute-marries-customers-to-avoid-fornication-divorces-them-after-sex-id3598492.html&ved=0CBkQFjAAahUKEwiHueLG1IHJAhXDRQ8KHa1-CLs&usg=AFQjCNEerAcGfKE3EHNzvmYbJST1kHPF5g&sig2=iRVxDI9LfWjWf_uwmJQ5BQ |
Re: Mut'ah by dragnet: 8:35am On Nov 28, 2015 |
take off d first pic. infact take off both. |
Re: Mut'ah by MrOlai: 12:41pm On Nov 28, 2015 |
dragnet: Noted. |
Re: Mut'ah by jumzzy448: 3:10pm On Nov 28, 2015 |
MrOlai: Thanks so much. Jazakumllahu kaira 1 Like |
Re: Mut'ah by MrOlai: 3:52pm On Nov 28, 2015 |
jumzzy448: Waiyakum |
Re: Mut'ah by AlBaqir(m): 8:54pm On Nov 28, 2015 |
jumzzy448: Wa alaykum Salam, You've just been given one side of the story and I believe you will be patient enough to read the other side of the story without any biased mind. After all you are on a "research mission". I can only hope that this thread will end up being an educative thread where wisdom, good manners and sound argument are displayed. jumzzy448: Oh sorry! Your research isn't enough because if it is, you will find out that despite the so-called ban of Mut'a by the Prophet, Sahabah like Abdullah Ibn Abbas, Ibn Mas'ud, Jabir ibn Abdullah al-Ansari, Asma bint Abu Bakr, Abu Sa'id al-khudri, Amr ibn Hurayth, Mu'awiyah ibn Abi Sufyan etc etc; and giant Tabi'in (successor of Sahabah) like Tawus,'Ata, Sa'id ibn Jubayr and all the jurists of Madinah continue to practice Mut'ah. Were these personalities bunch of deviants? This tells you there is more to the topic of Mut'ah. Below are my analysis and in sha Allah as further comment comes in, other issues should be addressed: 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Mut'ah by AlBaqir(m): 8:58pm On Nov 28, 2015 |
Nikkah Mut’a (temporary marriage) in Summary There is absolutely no debate between the Sunni and Shi'a as to the validity of Mut'a as both school believed it was established by the Prophet. The point of difference is whether it was later prohibited or not. While the bulk of Sunni school believed it to have been prohibited, few of them and the entire Shi'i school believed in its validity till the end of days. Nikah al-Mut'ah, or simply mut'ah, is marriage between two consenting adults for a specified period of time. From Quranic perspective Qur'an states: “Those of them with whom you contract mut'ah, give them their prescribed dowries; and there is no blame on you about what you mutually agree after what is prescribed. Verily, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise” {surah an-Nisa: 24} # Imam Ibn Jarir al-Tabari (d.310H) in his Tafsir [Jami al-Bayan fi Tawil al-Qur'an (Dar al-Fikr; 1415 H), vol. 5, p. 19], # Imam 'Abd al-Razzaq (d. 211H) in his al-Musannaf [vol. 7, p. 498, # 14022], # Imam al-Hafiz ibn Kathir (d. 774H) in his Tafsir al-Quran al-'Azim [( 2nd edition, 1420 H), vol. 2, p. 259], # Imam al-Hakim (d. 410H) document with more or less similar versions: “Abu Naḍrah: I read to Ibn Abbas: {Those of them with whom you contract mut'ah, give them their prescribed dowries} [4:24]. He said: “{Those of them with whom you contract mut'ah for a specified period }”. Abu Naḍrah said: I said, “We do not recite it like that!” Ibn Abbas replied, “I swear by Allāh, Allāh certainly revealed it like that.” Al-Hakim and Imam al-Dhahabi (d. 748 H) comments: This hadith is Sahih upon the standard of (Imam) Muslim. Source: {al-Mustadrak 'ala al-Ṣaḥihayn (Beirut: Dar al-Kutub al-'Ilmiyyah; 1st edition, 1411 H), vol. 2, p. 334, # 3192} Imam Ibn Kathir gives further information [ref. cited above]: “Ibn Abbas, Ubayy b. Ka'b, Sa'id b. Jubayr and al-Suddi used to recite: {Those of them with whom you contract mut'ah for a specified period, give them their prescribed dowries}” So absolutely this ayah legislated Mut'ah and there are countless Sahih ahadith in Sunni and Shi'i reference books that proved its validity. On Ahadith Perspective On the other hands, there are "sihah" ahadith, ONLY in Sunni books which claim that the holy Prophet, salallahu alahi wa ahli, later prohibited Nikah al-Mut'ah [forever] at three different periods and locations after approving it intermittently. Shi'a school however argued that since there exist an ayah in the Qur'an that legislated Mut'a, NO hadith can ever abrogate an ayah of the Qur'an as Allah Himself declare that “whatever ayah We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better than it or like it…”{al-Baqarah:106; an-Nahl:101}. This alone questions the integrity of the ahadith that claims the Prophet later prohibited Mut'a after its legislation. Various other counter argument were presented by the Sunni that certain ayah [e.g surah al-Mu'minin: 1-7] already abrogated the ayah of Mut'ah, but chronologically, a previous ayah or surah [e.g revealed in Makka] can never abrogate later ayah or surah [e.g revealed in Madina]. This Mut'a dialogue usually goes back and forth between the two schools but what is obvious is, apart from the existing ayah of Mut'ah in the Qur'an, what seem to be the last saying of the Prophet [chronologically] on Nikkah al-Mut'a is documented by both Imam Bukhari and Muslim in their respective Sahih: 'Abd Allāh (b. Mas'ud): We were on an expedition with the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, and we had nothing with us. So, we said, “Should we castrate ourselves?” But, he forbade us to do that. Then, he permitted us to do nikah (marriage) with the woman, giving her a garment (as the dowry). Then, he recited to us {O you who believe! Do not make ḥarām the good things which Allah has made halal for you; and do not exceed the limits; surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits}. {al-Bukhari al-Ju'fi, al-Jami al-Sahih al-Mukhtaṣar (Beirut: Dar Ibn Kathir; 3rd edition, 1407 H), vol. 5, p. 1953, # 4787} (The) ayah said to have been recited by the Prophet for the validity of Mut'ah in the above hadith is in Surah al-Maida: 87 and this is what Umm Mu'minin 'Aisha said about this Surah (al-Maidah) as a whole: Jubayr b. Nufayr: I went to Aisha and she said, “Do you recite Surah al-Maidah?” I said, “Yes”. She said, “For, verily, it was the last sūrah to be revealed. So, whatsoever you find in it to be ḥalal, then declare it halal; and whatsoever you find in it to be ḥarām, declare it haram.” Then I asked her about the character of the Messenger of Allāh, peace be upon him, and she said, “The Quran.” Sheik Shuaib al-Arnaut said: Its chain is Sahih. Source: {Musnad (Cairo: Muasassat Qurṭubah), vol. 6, p. 188, # 25588; also al-Hakim in his al-Mustadrak ala al-Sahihayn (Beirut: Dār al-Kutub al’Ilmiyyah; 1st edition, 1411 H), vol. 2, p. 340, # 3210}. # Imam Hakim and al-Dhahabi also declare this hadith as Sahih. Incidentally, the revelation of this last Surah was completed at the Prophet's last Hajj [few months to his death], and the last Sunni claim of prohibition of Mut'a by the Prophet was a year and half earlier at fat'h Makkah (conquest of Makkah). One of Sunni grand Ulama, Imam Ibn Hazm (456H) summarized this whole dialogue in this epilogue: “[color=#990000]A group of the Salaf, may Allah be pleased with them, were FIRM in declaring it (Mut'a) halal AFTER the Messenger of Allāh. Those of them from the Sahabah, may Allah be pleased with them, were Asma bint Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, Jabir b. 'Abd Allāh Ibn Mas'ud, Ibn Abbas, Mu'āwiyah b. Abu Sufyan, 'Amr b. Ḥurayth, Abu Sa'id al-Khudri, and Salamah and Ma'bad – sons of Umayyah b. Khalaf. Jabir b. 'Abd Allah also reported it (i.e. declaration of mut'ah as halal ) from all the Sahabah during the time of the Messenger of Allāh, peace be upon him, and during the time of Abu Bakr and 'Umar until near the end of the caliphate of 'Umar. Ibn al-Zubayr had contradictory opinions on its permissibility, while Ali expressed no opinion concerning it. It is narrated that 'Umar b. al-Khattab only denied it if two just people did not act as its witnesses, and he considered it permissible if two just people acted as witnesses to it. And among the Tabi'in were: Tawus, 'Ata, Sa'id b. Jubayr, and the rest of the jurists of Makkah, may Allāh honour it Source: {al-Muḥallā (Dār al-Fikr li al-Ṭabā‟ah wa al-Nashr wa al-Tawzī‟), vol. 9, pp. 519-520} # Allamah Muḥammad Nāṣir al-Dīn al-Albani also discard the claim of those who said Abdullah Ibn Abbas later retracted from his practice and claim on the validity of Mut'a: "The summary is: three opinions are narrated from Ibn 'Abbās, may Allaah be pleased with him, about mut'ah: The one: he permitted it unconditionally. The second: he permitted it in cases of necessity. The last: he forbade it unconditionally, but this is from what is NOT authentically transmitted from him, unlike the first two opinions which are authentically transmitted from him” Source: {Irwā al-Ghalīl fī Takhrīj Aḥādīth Manār al-Sabīl (Beirut: al-Maktab al-Islāmī; 2nd edition, 1405 H), vol. 6, p. 319, # 1903} Lastly, while it is laughable when uninformed Sunni [esp. those from among the Salafiyyah] often accuse the Shi'a of committing Zina in the name of Mut'a, they dare not say the same to these Salafs from among the Sahaba and Tabi'in who uphold Mut'a. On the other hand, many of them are ignorant of a plain Bid'ah form of marriage, established by their Ulama, called al-Zawāj bi niyyah al-ṭalāq (marriage with the intention of divorce). It is also known as Misyar Nikkah [Traveler's marriage], where a Muslim male traveler can contract Nikkah with woman of his choice with an intention to divorce her after the expiration of his stay in the foreign land. This seem Mut'a but its absolutely not. It is a practice with NO Kitab wa Sunnah reference other than twisting and gymnasium of Sharia by Sunni Ulama. {see for example: Majmū' al-Fatāwā, vol.32, pp. 106-107; Fiqh al-Sunnah (Beirut: Dār alKitāb al-'Arabī; 3rd edition, 1397 H), vol. 2, p.45}. The conditions, rulings and regulations on Mut'a is far beyond this write up. 1 Like |
Re: Mut'ah by MrOlai: 8:20am On Nov 29, 2015 |
[s] AlBaqir:[/s] Rubbish from a shia! 1 Like |
Re: Mut'ah by MrOlai: 8:25am On Nov 29, 2015 |
[s] AlBaqir:[/s] Rubbish from a shia misinterpreting Qur'an and other Islamic sources! |
Re: Mut'ah by AlBaqir(m): 10:10am On Nov 29, 2015 |
MrOlai: # Ma sha Allah, I perfectly agree that the basic principle of marriage is its permanency in order to ensure continuity of family tie, love, affection, procreation etc etc. Mut'ah however comes in as an emergency solution to particular problem. All these shall be talk about in due course in sha Allah. # So you can copied from a source that Mut'ah was once permitted?! So why do you then labeled it as fornication? Fornication was NEVER EVER being permitted before its prohibition. # Has Mut'ah being abrogated? That is the contending issue between the Sunni and the Shia. I have responded to this above^ and more to come at an appropriate time in sha Allah. MrOlai: Islam NEVER EVER permitted alcohol before being banned totally. Verses on alcohol (intoxicant) are very clear. Islam met people of jahiliyyah already been indulged in alcoholism. Islam is still being built gradually and people's heart is not yet convinced to this new faith therefore to ban alcohol out rightly might make people run away from Islam. With wisdom, Allah says: # Do not approach salat while being drunk. # The evil in alcoholism is far more than the good you derive from it. And lastly, after migration of the Prophet to Madinah where Islam took a formidable shape and population had increased and people's heart submitted to the faith, then Allah ruled: # "Verily intoxicant (al-khamr)....are handiwork of Shaitan. Go away from it so you may prosper. This is the case of alcohol. Mut'ah was NEVER heard of until Allah and His Prophet legislated it. Imam 'Abd al-Razzaq (d. 211 H) documents: 'Abd al-Razzaq - Ibn Jurayj - Abu al-Zubayr - Jabir b. Abd Allah: "We, the Sahabah of the Prophet, peace be upon him, did Mut'ah UNTIL the prohibition of 'Amr b. Hurayth (from it)" Ref:{Abubakar Abd al-Razzaq b. Hamam al-Sa'nani, al-Musannaf [annotator: Habib al-Rahman al-A'zami], vol.7, p.499, #14025} Through the same sanad, Imam Abd al-Razzaq expatiate about how Amr b. Hurayth, a Sahabi, was forbidden from Mut'ah: "'Amr b. Hurayth arrived from Kufah and did Mut'ah with a slave woman. Then, she was brought to 'Umar when she became pregnant, and he interrogated her. So, she said, "Amr b. Hurayth did Mut'ah with me." Then, he (Umar) interrogated him, and he informed him through that of an apparent matter." He (Umar) said, "So, why not other than her?" That was the moment when he (Umar) forbade it (Mut'ah)" Ref:{Abubakar Abd al-Razzaq b. Hamam al-Sa'nani, al-Musannaf [annotator: Habib al-Rahman al-A'zami], vol.7, p.500, #14029} Those were the report of a prominent Sahabah, Jabir ibn Abdullah al-Ansari who revealed that they (the Sahabah) used to perform Mut'ah till Umar banned it during his Khilafah because Amr b. Hurayth did it with a Slave woman. Jabir, Amr b. Hurayth (and others)! Were these companions bunch of adulterer/fornicators? Why did they continue this practice had the Prophet truly banned it? Imam Muslim also reports this confirmation: Muhammad b. Rafi - Abd al-Razzaq - Ibn Jurayj - Abu al-Zubayr: "I heard Jabir b. Abd Allah saying:, "We used to contract Mut'ah by giving a handful of dates and flour (as dowry) during the eras of the Messenger of Allah and Abu Bakr UNTIL 'Umar forbade it in the case of Amr b. Hurayth" Ref: {Sahih Muslim (Beirut: Dar Ihya al-Turath al-Arabi)[annotator: Muhammad Faud Abd al-Baqi], vol.2, p.1022, #1405(16)} This is a confirmation that Sahabah used to practice mut'ah after the demise of the Prophet until Umar banned it. MrOlai: # The last "Mut'ah banned update" according to another riwayat of Sunni was at the conquest of Makkah in the 9th Hijrah. Battle of Khaybar was fought in the 6th Hijrah. And in between these period (Khaybar - Fath Makkah, 3years), there are riwayat that allude that Mut'ah was practiced by the order of the Prophet. One hadith has been posted already - hadith of Abdullah ibn Mas'ud where Prophet recited a verse in Surah al-Maidah to validate Mut'ah as Halal. Surah Maidah was revealed in 9th Hijrah till its completion few months to the death of the prophet. Why would Ali refer to incident of 6th Hijrah (instead of 9th) when the practice continued till 9th Hijrah? Ali and ALL prominent Sahabah were with the Prophet at the conquest of Makkah. In fact it was Ali and the Prophet that broke all the idols inside the precinct of Ka'bah. So whoever fabricated this hadith did a very poor job. # Imam al-Thalabi in his Tafsir al-Kabir under the commentary of surah Nisah:24, after confirming that this verse (24) was revealed for the permissibility of Mut'ah quoted this hadith: "Ali said: The Mut'ah is a mercy from Allah to His servants. If it were not for Umar forbidding it, no one would commit (the sin) of fornication except the wretched". So how can Ali made those two contradictory statement? MrOlai: # Apart from the fact that NO hadith can ever abrogated verse of the Quran, and the fact that the Hadith of Jabir b. Abd Allah confirmed the continuation of Mut'ah even after the death of the Prophet till Umar's Khilafah; # this hadith of Ibn Sabrah al-Juhani was reported to had been heard at the conquest of Makkah when the Prophet addressed the believers at the gate of Ka'bah. This hadith is Wahid (single). Only Ibn Sabrah al-Juhani reported it. Where were other Sahabah?. MrOlai: # That's why Mut'ah is exceptional form of marriage. Its about the agreement between the two consenting adults. There is iddah in Mut'ah for woman who practiced it. Imam Fakhr deen al-Razi quoted this hadith: "Ibn Abbas was asked: Is Mut'ah fornication or marriage? He answered: Neither the one nor the other. The questioner then asked: 'Well then, what it is?' Ibn Abbas replied: 'It is Mut'ah, just as Allah has said.' The questioner continued: 'Is there a waiting period in Mut'ah?' He replied: 'Yes, menstrual period.' Do the husband and wife inherit from each other? He answered: 'No.' Ref: Tafsir al-Kabir, vol.3, p. 286. # And there might be child depending on the consenting agreement. Amr b. Hurayth, a Sahabi impregnated the slave woman. MrOlai: # The biggest problem of copy-pasting is that you don't verify the authenticity of the quotations. For your information there is nowhere in both two volumes of Tahrir al-wasila where Imam Khomeini EVER said Mut'ah can be practiced with harlots and prostitutes. In fact reversed is the case when Imam answer questions on whom to contract mutah with. That is a very big lie upon Imam Ruhullah al-Khomeini. May Allah's curse be upon liars. # Quran says: "The fornicator shall not marry any but a fornicatress or an idolatress; and the fornicatress, none shall marry her but a fornicator or an idolater: And that is made haram for the believers." [surah Nisa:3] Sheik al-Tusi documents: Ahmad b. Muhammad b. Isa - Muhammad b. Ismail b. Bazi: "A man asked al-Rida, peace be upon him, while I was listening, about the man who marries the woman in Mut'ah and he imposes a condition upon her that he will not seek her child. But, she later comes with a child and he severely denies the child. So, he (al-Rida) said, "Does he deny? How can he deny primarily because of that?" Then, the man said, "What if he accuses her (of fornication)?" He (al-Rida) said, "It is not appropriate for you to marry except a faithful woman." Verily, Allah the Almighty says: {The fornicator shall not marry any but a fornicatress or an idolatress; and the fornicatress, none shall marry her but a fornicator or an idolator: and that is made haram for the believers}" Allamah al-Majlisi states: Sahih Ref:{Abu Ja'far Muhammad b. al-Hassan al-Tusi, Tahdhib al-Ahkam (Tehran: Dar al-kutub al-Islamiyyah)[annotator: Sayyid Hassan al-Musawi al-Khurasan], vol.7, p.269, Ch.24, #82(1157)} MrOlai: # Shi'ah doesn't have ANY book of Tafsir named "Tafsir minhaj al-siddiqeen". * Who is the author of the so-called Tafsir? Publication and edition? # If at all such hadith exists, where is its Sanad (chain of transmitter)? And what are the verdicts of Shi'i muhadiths on its Rijal? MrOlai: Even your prestigious Tafsir ibn Kathir affirmed severally Sahabah who confirmed that the ayah 24 of surah Nisah was revealed for Mut'ah. Likewise Tafsir Tabari, Tafsir Kabir etc. So it is not only Shi'i fact. MrOlai: # Like seriously those Sahabah did not heard Mut'ah had been forbidden? 1. Ibn Abbas 2. Mu'awiyah ibn Abi Sufyan 3. Jabir ibn Abdullah al-Ansari 4. Asma bint Abi Bakr 5. Amr b. Hurayth 6. Abu Sa'id al-Khudri 7. Abdullah ibn Mas'ud 8. Salamah ibn Umayyah b. Khalaf 9. Ma'bad ibn Umayyah b. Khalaf And a host of others which include Abu Bakr and Umar So, all of them were not aware of the ban of Mut'ah on three different occasions according to Sunni?! That is a very silly argument. If Mut'ah was truly banned forever in the 9th Hijrah when Makkah was conquered, how is it possible for ALL of these Sahabah to be absent when Makkah was conquered for that matter? # Any evidences as to the names of Sahabah that were absent repetitively when Mut'ah was said to be banned on three different occasions? MrOlai: So, if that riwayat is correct that Ali told Ibn Abbas of the banned of Mut'ah, why would Abdullah ibn Abbas continue to be practicing Mut'ah long after the death of Ali ibn Abi Talib? Imam Muslim again reports: "Harmalah b. Yahya - Ibn Wahb - Yunus - Ibn Shihab - Urwah b. Zubayr: Abd Allah b. al-Zubayr stood in Makkah and said, "Allah has made blind the hearts of some people as He made blind their eyesight. They give fatwas allowing Mut'ah." He was referring to a certain man. So, he (the man) called him and said, "You are an uncouth person, devoid of sense! I swear by my life, Mut'ah was practised during the time of the Imam of pious" - he meant the Messenger of Allah. So, Ibn Zubayr said to him, "Just do it yourself. By Allah, if you do it, I will stone you with your stones." Ref: Sahih Muslim, vol.2, p.1023, #1406(27) The identity of "the man" is revealed to be Abdullah ibn Abbas. Imam Muslim yet again documents: Hamid b. Amr al-Bakrawi - Abd al-Wahid b. Ziyad - Asim - Abu Nadrah: "I was with Jabir b. Abd Allah, a person came and said, "Ibn Abbas and Ibn al-Zubayr disagree concerning the two types of Mut'ah." So, Jabir said, "We practised both of them along with the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him. Then, Umar forbade us from them both, and we have not reverted to them." Ref: {Sahih Muslim, vol.2, p.1022, #1405(17)} Allamah al-Albani while commenting on the reports of Ibn Abbas on mut'ah, concludes: The Summary is: Three opinions are narrated from Ibn Abbas, may Allah be pleased with him, about Mut'ah: The one: He permitted it unconditionally. The second: He permitted it in cases of necessity. The last: He forbade it unconditionally, but this is from what is NOT authentically transmitted from him, unlike the first two opinions which are authentically transmitted from him." Ref: {Irwa al-Ghali fi Takhrij Ahadith Manar al-Sabil (Beirut: al-Maktab al-Islami; 2nd edition, 1405 H), vol.6, p.319, #1903} # This is solid evidence that Ibn Abbas continue to practice Mut'ah. Interestingly Ibn Abbas defended it stating it was practice during the time of the Prophet and Ibn Zubayr did not mention anything about its alleged "abrogation" or "ban" as a counter argument after all both were Sahabah. That is really baffling! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Mut'ah by AlBaqir(m): 10:17am On Nov 29, 2015 |
MrOlai: I never interpreted any Quranic verse not to mention of misinterpretation. I simply quoted Sunni Tafsir verbatim top of which is Tafsir ibn Kathir. If you are not capable of debating, you can call in your brothers for help. Cancelling comments won't erase the message and its simply a sign of ignorance and frustration. May Allah gift you senses. |
Re: Mut'ah by MrOlai: 1:53pm On Nov 29, 2015 |
[s] AlBaqir:[/s] |
Re: Mut'ah by MrOlai: 1:57pm On Nov 29, 2015 |
[s] AlBaqir:[/s] Rubbish plus Taqiyah from a shameless shia! Pray to Allah(SWT) that all that is happening to Fairuza in UK(ie sleeping with different men in the name of mut'ah) should happen to your daughters and your sisters! https://www.google.com.ng/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://pulse.ng/religion/in-uk-muslim-prostitute-marries-customers-to-avoid-fornication-divorces-them-after-sex-id3598492.html&ved=0CBkQFjAAahUKEwiHueLG1IHJAhXDRQ8KHa1-CLs&usg=AFQjCNEerAcGfKE3EHNzvmYbJST1kHPF5g&sig2=iRVxDI9LfWjWf_uwmJQ5BQ |
Re: Mut'ah by AlBaqir(m): 3:10pm On Nov 29, 2015 |
A soldier, for example, on a certain years mission, far away from his family, what is Islamic solution to his natural, sexual need? Interestingly, Shi'a opponent on the issue of Mut'ah - the Sunni/Salafi have no option but to invent what they called "zawajat nikkah bi Niyyat talaq (nikkah with the intention of divorce). In this "Nikkah", a traveller will marry normally but only him will have the intention of divorcing his wife at the duration of his stay in the foreign land. He is no under any obligation to state the reason why he need to divorce his wife. He can do this over and over to as many woman at different places. They also call it "Traveller's marriage". There is no basis for this in the Quran or Sunnah. Its just a Bid'ah form of nikkah. |
Re: Mut'ah by AlBaqir(m): 3:24pm On Nov 29, 2015 |
jumzzy448: Shi'i position on Mut'ah practice is on a matter of necessity. Mut'ah is haram where there is no need for it. There are numerous ahadith in Shi'i documentations to back this. Question and Answer as regard Shi'i belief on Mut'ah QUESTION: As regard Temporary Marriage (Nikah Mut'ah), young sisters are being affected psychologically in some circumstances. How can we combat the issue? REPLY (BY Sayyid Mustafa Qazwini): "My friends, temporary marriage is not a permission for all people to practice it. Temporary marriage is not the norm. Its the exception. Remember! The norm is the permanent marriage...to marry a person...establishing a family and raising children. However for every norm, there is an exception...I do not encourage the young generations to go after temporary marriage. Its not for you guys. You have to think of your futures, to build a stable future for yourselves. Remember, this temporal relationships are going to affect (you) in a bad way, in a negative way...the more premarital relationships you have, the more destabilize your marriage is going to be (and vice versa)... So it is not for you (the youth). It is for people who have some special circumstances. It is like an emergency door. We do not use it unless there is an emergency. Otherwise we use the main door. Timed marriage (mut'a) is for exceptional cases..." Misuse of Mut'ah There is no doubt this practice has been severely abused. But that doesn't make it haram. In this part of the world, western Nigeria (Yoruba land), multiple marriage has also been severely abused to the fact that muslim homes are the worse home. Should we then legislate multiple marriage to be haram? Never! There are other Islamic practices that have been abused. It is the responsibility of the Ulama to continue educating the masses and instill the fear of God in to their heart. # Mut'ah is HARAM for Virgin. There are lots of Shi'i ahadith to support this. |
Re: Mut'ah by MrOlai: 4:14pm On Nov 29, 2015 |
[s] AlBaqir:[/s] Rubbish from a shia! |
Re: Mut'ah by MrOlai: 4:15pm On Nov 29, 2015 |
[s] AlBaqir:[/s] Rubbish from a shia! |
Re: Mut'ah by jumzzy448: 4:23pm On Nov 29, 2015 |
AlBaqir: |
Re: Mut'ah by AlBaqir(m): 5:28pm On Nov 29, 2015 |
jumzzy448:Obviously you've not read my presentation on this thread. I have given you Shi'i position on Mut'ah and interestingly all the evidences are from the books of the Sunni. We never believed in anyway that Prophet ever forbade the practice. If you read my submissions, you will see that was the stand of many companions like Abdullah ibn Abbas, Jabir ibn Abdullah al-Ansari, Abdullah ibn Mas'ud et al. Kindly take your time and read. The evidences are right before you. Thanks. |
Re: Mut'ah by BETATRON(m): 7:34pm On Nov 29, 2015 |
MrOlai:this isn't polite and also not necessary ,,don't let you emotions take control over you More-over doing that doesn't affirm your point |
Re: Mut'ah by MrOlai: 7:39pm On Nov 29, 2015 |
BETATRON: Nice one! I really appreciate your Taqiyah....! We know you're a shi'i too...! |
Re: Mut'ah by BETATRON(m): 7:42pm On Nov 29, 2015 |
MrOlai:lol. Never said I wasn't brother |
Re: Mut'ah by MrOlai: 8:36pm On Nov 29, 2015 |
BETATRON: Nice one! For not using Taqiyah here... |
Re: Mut'ah by BETATRON(m): 8:44pm On Nov 29, 2015 |
MrOlai:hehe..the point is it doesn't take a shia to know that what you did isn't polite Let's say you were outmatched and still don't want to accept it hence seeking sanctuary in impoliteness and inelegance....right? |
Re: Mut'ah by MrOlai: 4:30pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
AlBaqir: If you were a soldier on a mission for certain number of years away from your family, you want to be sleeping with other people's wives in the name of mut'ah, would you allow other men to sleep with your wife too before you come back? Because women too have natural sexual need... |
Re: Mut'ah by AlBaqir(m): 5:44pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
I see you must have been having sleepless nights concerning this thread and especially the question. Even your Shuyukh have no choice than to innovate "marriage with an intention of divorce". MrOlai: Why did Allah allowed a man to marry up to 4 wives even at the same time he can have s.ex with women "whom his hands possess" yet none of the wives can ever has more than their husband, a man?! That's awesome! |
Re: Mut'ah by sino(m): 6:19pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
Shia scholar al-Tusi narrated in his “Tahzeeb al-Ahkam” (7/253): واما ما رواه أحمد بن محمد عن ابى الحسن عن بعض اصحابنا يرفعه إلى ابي عبدالله عليه السلام قال: لا تتمتع بالمؤمنة فتذلها. فهذا حديث مقطوع الاسناد شاذ، ويحتمل ان يكون المراد به إذا كانت المرأة من اهل بيت الشرف فانه لايجوز التمتع بهالما يلحق اهلها من العار ويلحقها هي من الذل ويكون ذلك مكروها دون ان يكون محظورا. As for what is narrated from Ahmad bin Muhammad from Abu al-Hassan from some of our companions which is Marfu’u to Abu Abdullah -alaihi salam- that he said: “Do not humiliate the believing woman by having Mutah with her.” and this Hadith has a Maqtu’u Isnad and has Shuzouz in the Matn. It is possible that what is meant in this narration is that if a believing woman was from a noble household then it is not allowed to have Mutah with her as it will dishonour her parents and disgrace her and this would be Makruh (Disliked) without it being forbidden.” A Shia scholar al-Hurr al-Amili in his “Wasailu shia” (21/26) narrated: “And from him from al-Hasan b. `Ali [Abu ‘l-Hasan – in at-Tahdheeb, Abu ‘l-Hasan `Ali – in al-Istibsar] from one of our companions going up to Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام. He said: Do not do mut`a with the mu’mina as you would humiliate her.” The Shaykh said: This is shaadh (odd), and it is possible that his intent by it is when the woman is from a noble family which scandal would be attached to and humiliation attached to her, and that would be disliked. I say: And there has preceded what indicates upon permission and there is coming what indicates upon it. The above are narrations from shia books, with explanation from shia scholars. We can easily deduce that these narrations clearly prohibits Mut'ah for believing women, in the words used in these narrations, it will humiliates her! I wonder why anyone would be propagating what will humiliate another individual, not to mention a Muslimah! Subhanallah! @Op Alhamdulilah you did find about the prohibition by the Prophet (SAW), as regards to the shias stand, they have no authentic proof they hold on to except conjectures and assumptions... Allah (SWT) says: "And most of them follow not except assumption. Indeed, assumption avails not against the truth at all. Indeed, Allah is Knowing of what they do." (Qur'an 10:36) |
Re: Mut'ah by sino(m): 6:33pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
There are other sects/groups within the shi'a who also have narrations from the Prophet (SAW) and Imams that prohibits Mut'ah, lets read and see: The Isma`eeli Shia view on Mut`ah marriage: The Imami Isma`eeli Shia are explicit in their condemnation of Mut`ah marriage in their books, and they quote Rasul-Allah (saw) as well as their Imams `Ali and his son Ja`far to prove their claims. In the Isma`eeli book “Da`a’im-ul-Islam” volume 2, pages 228 and 229 by their scholar al-Qadi al-Nu`man al-Maghribi, we list some of the narrations they inherited from their Imams. ٨٥٨ وعن رسول الله (صلع) أنه حرم نكاح المتعة، وعن علي (ع) أنه قال: لا نكاح إلا بولي وشاهدين وليس بالدرهم والدرهمين، واليوم واليومين، ذلك السفاح ولا شرط في النكاح [From Rasul-Allah (saw) that he forbade Mut`ah marriage, and from `Ali (as) that he said: “Marriage is invalid without a custodian and two witnesses, it is not for one or two Dirhams, nor is it for (the period of) a day or two, because that would be unlawful sexual intercourse and there are no conditions in marriage.”] ٨٥٩ وعن جعفر بن محمد (ع) أن رجلا سأله عن نكاح المتعة قال: صفه لي، قال: يلقى الرجل المرأة، فيقول: أتزوجك بهذا الدرهم والدرهمين، وقعة أو يوما أو يومين. قال: هذا زنا، وما يفعل هذا إلا فاجر [From Ja`far bin Muhammad (as) that a man asked him concerning the Mut`ah marriage, Ja`far said: “Describe it for me.” He said: “A man meets a woman and tells her: I marry you with one or two Dirhams for a period of one or two days.” Ja`far said: “That is fornication, no one does this except the wicked.”] Al-Shareef al-Murtada wrote in his book “Al-Fusoul al-Mukhtarah” pg.158, that the Twelver Shia scholar al-Mufid debated the Isma`eeli Shia scholar ibn Lu’lu’ about the permissibility of Mut`ah. Ibn Lu’lu’ tells al-Mufid: فحظر الله تعالى النكاح إلا لزوجة أو ملك يمين, وإذا لم تكن المتعة زوجة ولا كانت ملك يمين فقد سقط قول من أحلها [Thus Allah most high has forbidden all Nikah except with the permanent wife or what the right hand possesses (In Surat Mu’minoun verse 6). If the woman of Mut`ah is neither a permanent wife nor from what the right hand possesses, then the argument of those who permit it is invalid.] The Zaydi Shia view on Mut`ah marriage: The Zaydiyyah stick to the prohibition of the Mut`ah marriage and also quote Rasul-Allah (saw) and their Imams `Ali and his son Zayd and his progeny. In their main book “Musnad al-Imam Zayd” volume 1 page 271, we read: عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ جَدِّهِ، عَنْ عَلِيٍّ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ، قَالَ: لَا نِكَاحَ إِلَّا بِوَلِيٍّ وَشَاهِدَيْنِ، لَيْسَ بِالدِّرْهَمِ وَلَا بِالدِّرْهَمَيْنِ، وَلَا الْيَوْمِ، وَلَا الْيَوْمَيْنِ شِبْهِ السِّفَاحِ، وَلَا شَرْطَ فِي نِكَاحٍ [From his father, from his grandfather, from `Ali may Allah be pleased with them: “There can be no marriage without a custodian and two witnesses, it cannot be for one or two Dirhams, nor for one or two days such as the unlawful sexual intercourse, and there are no conditions in marriage.”] عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ جَدِّهِ، عَنْ عَلِيٍّ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ، قَالَ: نَهَى رَسُولُ اللَّهِ عَنْ نِكَاحِ الْمُتْعَةِ عَامَ خَيْبَرَ [From his father, from his grandfather, from `Ali may Allah be pleased with them: “Rasul-Allah (saw) has forbidden the Mut`ah marriage on the year of Khaybar.”] They also write in one of their four main Fiqhi books “Majmou` al-Fiqh al-Kabeer” written by their scholar al-Sayyaghi, in volume 4 page 26: وأما الباقر وولده الصادق فنقل في الجامع الكافي عن الحسن بن يحي بن زيد فقيه العراق أنه قال اجمع آل رسول الله صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وسلم على كراهية المتعة والنهي عنها وقال أيضا أجمع آل رسول الله صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وسلم على أنه لا نكاح إلا بولي وشاهدين وصداق بلا شرط في النكاح وقال محمد يعني ابن منصور سمعنا عن النبي صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وسلم وعن علي وابن عباس وأبي جعفر يعني الباقر وزيد بن علي وعبد الله بن حسن وجعفر بن محمد عليهم السلام أنهم قالوا لا نكاح إلا بولي وشاهدين [As for al-Baqir and his son al-Sadiq, it was reported in “al-Jami` al-Kafi” from al-Hasan bin Yahya bin Zayd the jurist of `Iraq, that he said: “The family of Rasul-Allah (saw) have agreed to dislike Mut`ah and that it is forbidden.” He also said: “The family of Rasul-Allah (saw) have agreed that marriage is not valid except with a custodian and two witnesses and a dowry, without any conditions in it.” And Muhammad ibn Mansour said: “We heard from the Prophet (saw) and `Ali and ibn `Abbas and abu Ja`far al-Baqir and Zayd bin `Ali and `Abdullah bin al-Hasan and Ja`far bin Muhammad peace be upon them, that they said: “No marriage without a custodian and two witnesses.”] As for their great Imam Yahya bin al-Husayn bin al-Qasim (d.298 AH) he narrates from his fathers who were also Imams from Ahlul-Bayt in his book “Al-Ahkam fil-Halal wal-Haram” pg.351: حدثني أبي عن أبيه أنه سئل عن نكاح المتعة؟، فقال: لا يحل نكاح المتعة لان المتعة إنما كانت في سفر سافره النبي صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وسلم، ثم حرم الله ذلك على لسان رسول الله صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وسلم، وقد روي لنا عن أمير المؤمنين علي بن أبي طالب عليه السلام بما قد صح أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وسلم نهى عنه. وأما من أحتج بهذه الآية ممن استحل الفاحشة من الفرقة المارقة في قول الله عزوجل: (فما استمتعتم به منهن فآتوهن أجورهن) فالاستمتاع هو الدخول بهن على وجه النكاح الصحيح، وإيتاؤهن أجورهن فهو إعطاؤهن مهورهن [My father told me, from his father, that he was asked about Mut`ah marriage, he said: Mut`ah marriage is not permissible for it was only during an expedition of the Prophet (saw) then Allah forbade it through his Prophet (saw). It was authentically narrated to us from Ameer-ul-Mu’mineen `Ali ibn abi Talib (as) that Rasul-Allah (saw) had forbidden it. As for those who left Islam and permitted fornication (meaning Rafidah) through that verse (Al-Nisa’ verse 24) {So for whatever you enjoy from them, give them their due compensation} The enjoyment here is to have intercourse through lawful permanent marriage and the compensation is the dowry.] |
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