BRIEFLY,

1 Corinthians 12:1
Now concerning spiritual gifts, brothers, I would not have you ignorant.

In I Corinthians 12 the gifts outlined. therein can be viewed as follows.

Some Speak i.e. Vocal or Gifts of Inspiration
1. Speaking in Tongues
2. INTERPRETATION of Tongues
3. Prophecy

Another Group Do Something i.e. Power Gifts
1. Gifts of Healings
2. Workings of Miracles
3. Faith

And The Last Group Reveal Something i.e. REVELATION GIFTS
1. Discerning of Spirits
2. Word of Knowledge
3. Word of Wisdom.


What we see from page one onwards, are the revelation gifts, manifesting strongly in some cases.

1 Corinthians 12:10
… To another discerning of spirits…

Discerning of spirits is the Holy Spirit gift giving a Christian that spiritual ability to SEE AND HEAR FROM THE SPIRIT WORLD.

the Keyword in that verse 10 is SPIRITS. A broad class of dimension of existence.

a. God kind of Spirit
b. Satanic/Fallen Spirits
c. The Human spirit with its latent abilities.

The Holy Spirit in the Saved Soul, is one of the greatest mysteries of Salvation. More Potent and restored to his Original divine estate.

Since the Church is preventing some from EXPERIENCING MORE OF GOD, they find solace in other falsehood and manipulations of the enemy.


Ok look at it.

You are saved and sanctified.

You are Spirit filled.

Preach the Gospel.

Attend Church and Read Your Bible.

Then What Next.
WAIT FOR RAPTURE/SECOND COMING OF CHRIST.

What makes US different in this world is the Supernatural.

Supernatural Living is our Lifestyle. The enemy wants the average believer to be contented with busy Church activities and live a life devoid of the supernatural.


Fear not Little Children, For It Is The Will of The Father To Give You The Kingdom. Luke 12:32

… Thy Kingdom Come, Your Will Be Done On Earth.. Matthew 6:10

Behold the Kingdom of God IS WITHIN YOU. Luke 17:21

thanks brother(gloriousera) but then all are given the gift of speaking in tongues by baptism of holy ghost and then for sake of personal edification and of the church.. (read 1 Corinthians 14)..the acts acts of apostles showed that a lot of all believe especially in chapter 2 spoke in tongues after they were prickled at heart. by Peter message in Jerusalem, I also think interpretation or prophecy or even both are important to the church, how can a Christian claim his testimony fully among brethrens without this gift.. a pastor with gift of wisdom and knowledge explained all from 1 Corinthians chapter12-14 but I want to ask OP and other Christians of What the Holy Spirit tells them about this verses?? thank you very much,

oyeludef:
Hello children of God. Good morning, I will like to share with you a link download a material that really helped me overcome Spiritual battle. It is in pdf format and I av uploaded it on my Dropbox. https://www.dropbox.com/s/4lpaupxebq1g4ja/the-triumphant-church-kenneth-e-hagin.pdf?dl=0

Thank you. GOD bless you abundantly.

ccollins:
thanks brother(gloriousera) but then all are given the gift of speaking in tongues by baptism of holy ghost and then for sake of personal edification and of the church.. (read 1 Corinthians 14)..the acts acts of apostles showed that a lot of all believe especially in chapter 2 spoke in tongues after they were prickled at heart. by Peter message in Jerusalem, I also think interpretation or prophecy or even both are important to the church, how can a Christian claim his testimony fully among brethrens without this gift.. a pastor with gift of wisdom and knowledge explained all from 1 Corinthians chapter12-14 but I want to ask OP and other Christians of What the Holy tells them about this verses?? thank you very much,

Bro, in the book of Acts, one hallmark of being filled with the Spirit was evidence of Speaking in Tongues. Is for every Christian to experience.

Mark 16:17
"And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues"

Here we can see Tongues as a Sign from Christ.

We also have Tongues as Prayer Language of the Spirit in I Corinthians 14

Still we have a gifting within a local assembly of Believers where
DIVERSITIES OF TONGUES is demonstrated alongside INTERPRETATION OF TONGUES.
1 Corinthians 12:27
"Now you are the body of Christ, and members in particular. "
1 Corinthians 12:28
"And God has set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues."

We see from the above scriptures, that Tongues and Interpretation is an equipment within the Body of Christ like you have Apostles, Prophets, Pastors etc

This equipment tend to manifest with those. operating in prophetic ministry.

GloriousEra:


Bro, in the book of Acts, one hallmark of being filled with the Spirit was evidence of Speaking in Tongues. Is for every Christian to experience.

Mark 16:17
"And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues"

Here we can see Tongues as a Sign from Christ.

We also have Tongues as Prayer Language of the Spirit in I Corinthians 14

Still we have a gifting within a local assembly of Believers where
DIVERSITIES OF TONGUES is demonstrated alongside INTERPRETATION OF TONGUES.
1 Corinthians 12:27
"Now you are the body of Christ, and members in particular. "
1 Corinthians 12:28
"And God has set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues."

We see from the above scriptures, that Tongues and Interpretation is an equipment within the Body of Christ like you have Apostles, Prophets, Pastors etc

This equipment tend to manifest with those. operating in prophetic ministry.

if the equipment of speaking in tongues is to manifest alongside prophecy. does it then mean all Christians who want to worship God in Spirit and in truth must be actively involved in all this two gifts of the Holy Spirit or only speaking in tongues as stated in 1Corinthian 14

engrelvis:
thread like dis revives,re-energise my spirit n my soul.i feel like goin to d mountain top n shouting THANK U JESUS.is a privilige n honour in knowin u my lord n personal serviour.all praise n adoration to u. d lion of d tribe of judea.d i am dt am.d beginin n d end.thanks u OP for dis thread

wow.. I'm happy this thread re-energises you. That's great. This is how it's meant to be.
God bless you!

GloriousEra:


Spot On.
I want to thank the OP for this Testimony filled thread.
l had to register to make this post after going through the entire thread.

I thank God. And I thank you for taking out time to come and be blessed. God bless you..

postmann:

Thank you. GOD bless you abundantly.

uwc. D pleasure is mine

ccollins:
if the equipment of speaking in tongues is to manifest alongside prophecy. does it then mean all Christians who want to worship God in Spirit and in truth must be actively involved in all this two gifts of the Holy Spirit or only speaking in tongues as stated in 1Corinthian 14

Brother, let me break it down this way.

Speaking in Tongues as a sign of being filled with Holy Spirit. Mark 16:17
"… they shall speak with new tongues"

Speaking in Tongues as prayer Language of the believer.
1 Corinthians 14:14
"For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful."


Gift of Speaking in Tongues and Interpretation of Tongues as a supernatural equipment within a local gathering of Believers.
1 Corinthians 12:28
And God has set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.


Now in a gathering of Believers, Paul encouraged the gifts of tongues and interpretation of tongues. See First Corinthians14.

Then he went further admonish those who spoke in tongues to seek gift of interpretation because their fellow brethren were not being edified by these spontaneous messages in Tongues without interpretation.

BEFORE I go Further, let me say that all believers can seek to be a blessing to body of Christ via the Spiritual Gifts.

The gift of Prophecy according to 1 Corinthians 14:3
is "to edification, and exhortation, and comfort" men.

This is totally different from the ministry gift/office of the Prophet. In the office of the prophet we see him/her along with other ministry gifts in Ephesians 4:12
"For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ".

Now prophecy in the Ministry gift of the Prophet is for forth telling, Foretelling and edification of believers.

Gift of Prophecy and Office of a Prophet.

Any believer can operate the gift of prophecy. You already know.

The office of a Prophet is like a bundled distributions of streams of the spirit.

In that "bundled distributions" you see manifestation of revelation and inspiration gifts as earlier outlined.


The way a gift will manifest through you is totally different from that of Brother Q.

1 Corinthians 12:4
Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.

1 Corinthians 12:4
Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.

1 Corinthians 12:5
And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:6
And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which works all in all.

GloriousEra:



Brother, let me break it down this way.

Speaking in Tongues as a sign of being filled with Holy Spirit. Mark 16:17
"… they shall speak with new tongues"

Speaking in Tongues as prayer Language of the believer.
1 Corinthians 14:14
"For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful."


Gift of Speaking in Tongues and Interpretation of Tongues as a supernatural equipment within a local gathering of Believers.
1 Corinthians 12:28
And God has set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.


Now in a gathering of Believers, Paul encouraged the gifts of tongues and interpretation of tongues. See First Corinthians14.

Then he went further admonish those who spoke in tongues to seek gift of interpretation because their fellow brethren were not being edified by these spontaneous messages in Tongues without interpretation.

BEFORE I go Further, let me say that all believers can seek to be a blessing to body of Christ via the Spiritual Gifts.

The gift of Prophecy according to 1 Corinthians 14:3
is "to edification, and exhortation, and comfort" men.

This is totally different from the ministry gift/office of the Prophet. In the office of the prophet we see him/her along with other ministry gifts in Ephesians 4:12
"For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ".

Now prophecy in the Ministry gift of the Prophet is for forth telling, Foretelling and edification of believers.

Gift of Prophecy and Office of a Prophet.

Any believer can operate the gift of prophecy. You already know.

The office of a Prophet is like a bundled distributions of streams of the spirit.

In that "bundled distributions" you see manifestation of revelation and inspiration gifts as earlier outlined.


The way a gift will manifest through you is totally different from that of Brother Q.

1 Corinthians 12:4
Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.

1 Corinthians 12:4
Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.

1 Corinthians 12:5
And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:6
And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which works all in all.

thank you sir,are you a pastor

Brother Oyeludef. Yes, I will read it.

Am studying chapter 1 right now.
Now, am here reasoning just like the author and some Bible scholars are speculating ( although, am neither a scholar or an author), that there probably was a Pre-Adamic Era which Adam wasn't part of till he was later created millions of yrs after the dinosaurs were extinct.
But am reasoning that, there wasn't a pre-Adamic world, why? Becos, am thinking that, when God created everything , he started with the firmaments, lights, which caused time and seasons. Animals, both in the sea and on land. Tress and all. Then Man in Eden, there was mornings and nights, yrs passing by.

We are not told how long Man lived in Eden before the Fall, that's because time wasn't counting on him. He was ageless. He was neither motal nor immotal.

Here I am reasoning, did that also pertained to the animals? I mean, the agelessness, Or were animals growing and aging and dying along side time and seasons? because if time was counting on animals and wasn't counting on man, shouldn't that tell us that man lived for millions of yrs before the Fall, Since the fosils of Mamoths and Dinosaurs dates back this long?
Still, reasoning. Sin trigered time, time trigered aging and and aging trigered. dead for and in Adam right?. But was it also applicable to the beast? Must it necessarily mean that, there was a World without Adam in it for Millions of Yrs before Adam was created?.
Still reasoning. We are told, that God created all these things but left the responsibility of naming them for Adam to do. Does it then mean that, Millions of yrs after these Beast had died and extinct, Adam was created, then he went on to give names to the animals he never knew?

As to satan seating on his throne and ruling the earth in that pre-Adamic creation. I also have issues with it. Why? Well, I reason that, from when Lucifer thought to also have his own throne and rule as God, he has been in that Business ever since Man was created. My thought is, Angels don't worship fellow Angels. So if Lucifer wants worship, it won't be from his fellow Angels. His target is Man. And since he got man to fall, he has been in that business receiving worship. If we shd agree with the scholars who say, Lucifer had his throne before man was created, my question will then be, who was he reigning over?
Man has been worshipping Satan in different forms shapes from the Fall. All the demons who Fell with him, are the gods of the nations, parading and Masqurading as the Most high, while in essence all those demons are subject to Satan and turning over the worship to him. Self worship for those who don't believe in dieties but themselves, is also satanic because that's what satan is doing. He doesn't believe in the Deity of Yahwey, so he worships himself.
Just reasoning. Pls reason with me.
This is how I read.
Reading on...

Anas09:
Brother Oyeludef. Yes, I will read it.

Am studying chapter 1 right now.
Now, am here reasoning just like the author and some Bible scholars are speculating ( although, am neither a scholar or an author), that there probably was a Pre-Adamic Era which Adam wasn't part of till he was later created millions of yrs after the dinosaurs were extinct.
But am reasoning that, there wasn't a pre-Adamic world, why? Becos, am thinking that, when God created everything , he started with the firmaments, lights, which caused time and seasons. Animals, both in the sea and on land. Tress and all. Then Man in Eden, there was mornings and nights, yrs passing by.

We are not told how long Man lived in Eden before the Fall, that's because time wasn't counting on him. He was ageless. He was neither motal nor immotal.

Here I am reasoning, did that also pertained to the animals? I mean, the agelessness, Or were animals growing and aging and dying along side time and seasons? because if time was counting on animals and wasn't counting on man, shouldn't that tell us that man lived for millions of yrs before the Fall, Since the fosils of Mamoths and Dinosaurs dates back this long?
Still, reasoning. Sin trigered time, time trigered aging and and aging trigered. dead for and in Adam right?. But was it also applicable to the beast? Must it necessarily mean that, there was a World without Adam in it for Millions of Yrs before Adam was created?.
Still reasoning. We are told, that God created all these things but left the responsibility of naming them for Adam to do. Does it then mean that, Millions of yrs after these Beast had died and extinct, Adam was created, then he went on to give names to the animals he never knew?

As to satan seating on his throne and ruling the earth in that pre-Adamic creation. I also have issues with it. Why? Well, I reason that, from when Lucifer thought to also have his own throne and rule as God, he has been in that Business ever since Man was created. My thought is, Angels don't worship fellow Angels. So if Lucifer wants worship, it won't be from his fellow Angels. His target is Man. And since he got man to fall, he has been in that business receiving worship. If we shd agree with the scholars who say, Lucifer had his throne before man was created, my question will then be, who was he reigning over?
Man has been worshipping Satan in different forms shapes from the Fall. All the demons who Fell with him, are the gods of the nations, parading and Masqurading as the Most high, while in essence all those demons are subject to Satan and turning over the worship to him. Self worship for those who don't believe in dieties but themselves, is also satanic because that's what satan is doing. He doesn't believe in the Deity of Yahwey, so he worships himself.
Just reasoning. Pls reason with me.
This is how I read.
Reading on...

i also av done some research on what d Bible says about the preadamic age here is a video on YouTube by benny hinn that was quite helpful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQkOGqaGzcA like kenneth hagin said in dat book, God told us everything about d devil he wants us to know so as Christians in the bible. Time started counting from Gen1:5 wen d Bible started saying the evening and d morning d first day nd so on. D realm of man is d realm of time however, man was immortal and never supposed to die because d Bible says death comes as d wages of sin nd tru one man(adam).

Anas09:
Brother Oyeludef. Yes, I will read it.

Am studying chapter 1 right now.
Now, am here reasoning just like the author and some Bible scholars are speculating ( although, am neither a scholar or an author), that there probably was a Pre-Adamic Era which Adam wasn't part of till he was later created millions of yrs after the dinosaurs were extinct.
But am reasoning that, there wasn't a pre-Adamic world, why? Becos, am thinking that, when God created everything , he started with the firmaments, lights, which caused time and seasons. Animals, both in the sea and on land. Tress and all. Then Man in Eden, there was mornings and nights, yrs passing by.

We are not told how long Man lived in Eden before the Fall, that's because time wasn't counting on him. He was ageless. He was neither motal nor immotal.

Here I am reasoning, did that also pertained to the animals? I mean, the agelessness, Or were animals growing and aging and dying along side time and seasons? because if time was counting on animals and wasn't counting on man, shouldn't that tell us that man lived for millions of yrs before the Fall, Since the fosils of Mamoths and Dinosaurs dates back this long?
Still, reasoning. Sin trigered time, time trigered aging and and aging trigered. dead for and in Adam right?. But was it also applicable to the beast? Must it necessarily mean that, there was a World without Adam in it for Millions of Yrs before Adam was created?.
Still reasoning. We are told, that God created all these things but left the responsibility of naming them for Adam to do. Does it then mean that, Millions of yrs after these Beast had died and extinct, Adam was created, then he went on to give names to the animals he never knew?

As to satan seating on his throne and ruling the earth in that pre-Adamic creation. I also have issues with it. Why? Well, I reason that, from when Lucifer thought to also have his own throne and rule as God, he has been in that Business ever since Man was created. My thought is, Angels don't worship fellow Angels. So if Lucifer wants worship, it won't be from his fellow Angels. His target is Man. And since he got man to fall, he has been in that business receiving worship. If we shd agree with the scholars who say, Lucifer had his throne before man was created, my question will then be, who was he reigning over?
Man has been worshipping Satan in different forms shapes from the Fall. All the demons who Fell with him, are the gods of the nations, parading and Masqurading as the Most high, while in essence all those demons are subject to Satan and turning over the worship to him. Self worship for those who don't believe in dieties but themselves, is also satanic because that's what satan is doing. He doesn't believe in the Deity of Yahwey, so he worships himself.
Just reasoning. Pls reason with me.
This is how I read.
Reading on...

If you believe in a LITERAL Adam just like Paul and Jesus did, you'd have trouble with billions year old earth or even pre-Adamic race.

I have read a good portion of this to page 12. Some are genuine stories, some are lies. When stories take a Rebecca & Elaine kind of direction, they mislead people about what spiritual warfare is all about. To hide the truth.

I've read some 2 Rebecca brown books and looking back, I laugh at the fear that gripped me then when I knew so little about the devil. It's hilarious the length to which spiritual warfare has been corrupted.

It's so simple. Righteousness, Peace, Truth, Salvation, Faith, and the gospel of Christ, according to Ephesians 6. In other words, just be saved. That is not to say not to fight, but when you start fighting nonexistent spirits named after notorious bible characters, or tales of men, it becomes a vain indulgence. Unfortunately, people and churches alike like such shows

I endorse the link below as quoted by Vooks;

vooks:


Obviously you have either never read her books or you are extremely shallow in scriptures to miss her heresies
Start here
http://www.watchthetower.net/brown.html

I have one advise for anyone who innocently finds themselves fascinated by such things ..avoid things that make you have fear...fear is one of the signs when something is not from God.

muafrika:
I have read a good portion of this to page 12. Some are genuine stories, some are lies. When stories take a Rebecca & Elaine kind of direction, they mislead people about what spiritual warfare is all about. To hide the truth.

I've read some 2 Rebecca brown books and looking back, I laugh at the fear that gripped me then when I knew so little about the devil. It's hilarious the length to which spiritual warfare has been corrupted.

It's so simple. Righteousness, Peace, Truth, Salvation, Faith, and the gospel of Christ, according to Ephesians 6. In other words, just be saved. That is not to say not to fight, but when you start fighting nonexistent spirits named after notorious bible characters, or tales of men, it becomes a vain indulgence. Unfortunately, people and churches alike like such shows

I endorse the link below as quoted by Vooks;



I have one advise for anyone who innocently finds themselves fascinated by such things ..avoid things that make you have fear...fear is one of the signs when something is not from God.

Before Pentecostalism which is under 100 years, spiritual warfare as known by modern Christians was virtually nonexistent.

We should be highly critical of new stuff that keep on showing up especially EXPERIENCE based doctrines

@Oyeledef.

Alongside Jesus Christ and Apst Paul, I believe in the LITERAL Adam. And I don't have a problem with Billions or Millions of Yrs old Earth. Although, the ungodly Scientist may want to present some materials that are superfluous, with the aim to mislead. I think the yrs they put to those Mamoths and Dinosaurs fosils are exaggerated. That said.

I asked a question. When God created the Earth, time and seasons, which were propelled by day and night, was they dead in the animal kingdom? Or were animals like man who wasn't aging until the Fall?.
The reason for this question is this. The years or how Old the Earth is according to the records gotten from the Bible, follows events starting from how long Adam lived down to you and I. But from Creation to wen Adam fell, we don't ve any record of time.
Can it be safe to say, the World had endured for millions of yrs, the animals have lived long, died and some got extinct before Adam fell?

vooks:


Before Pentecostalism which is under 100 years, spiritual warfare as known by modern Christians was virtually nonexistent.

We should be highly critical of new stuff that keep on showing up especially EXPERIENCE based doctrines

Spiritual warfare is different according to our different denominations and Ideology. To me, attaining to goodness, mercy, righteousness and keeping the word is the greatest spiritual battle all Christians have to fight and win.

100 years ago, Christianity was still political and mostly European even in practice. It was also starting to expand into places like Africa which have a deeper sense of spirituality.

Am open minded, so I'll give experience a chance, if it stands the test of agreement with God's word.

muafrika:
I have read a good portion of this to page 12. Some are genuine stories, some are lies. When stories take a Rebecca & Elaine kind of direction, they mislead people about what spiritual warfare is all about. To hide the truth.

I've read some 2 Rebecca brown books and looking back, I laugh at the fear that gripped me then when I knew so little about the devil. It's hilarious the length to which spiritual warfare has been corrupted.

It's so simple. Righteousness, Peace, Truth, Salvation, Faith, and the gospel of Christ, according to Ephesians 6. In other words, just be saved. That is not to say not to fight, but when you start fighting nonexistent spirits named after notorious bible characters, or tales of men, it becomes a vain indulgence. Unfortunately, people and churches alike like such shows

I endorse the link below as quoted by Vooks;



I have one advise for anyone who innocently finds themselves fascinated by such things ..avoid things that make you have fear...fear is one of the signs when something is not from God.

it does not change the fact that it has sparked revivalism among churches and has help a lot of Christians get inspired to draw closer to God. I remember the thorn I'm flesh of apostle Paul which messenger of satan gave to Paul and out of optimism, Paul cried to God numerous times but God said that My Grace is sufficient unblock your weaknesses. does that make satan more super? No! spiritual warfare has been recorded in Bible and Rebecca brown exposed the kingdom of darkness slot and its mysteries so I expect all these complaints about her like seriously??

ccollins:
it does not change the fact that it has sparked revivalism among churches and has help a lot of Christians get inspired to draw closer to God. I remember the thorn I'm flesh of apostle Paul which messenger of satan gave to Paul and out of optimism, Paul cried to God numerous times but God said that My Grace is sufficient unblock your weaknesses. does that make satan more super? No! spiritual warfare has been recorded in Bible and Rebecca brown exposed the kingdom of darkness slot and its mysteries so I expect all these complaints about her like seriously??

You are really shallow.
Long before Rebecca Brown wrote her books, Hal Lindsay had done one in the 70s Satan is alive and well. Before him Derek Prince had extensively preached on spiritual warfare. In short, Rebecca Brown contributed ZERO but she succeeded in spreading lies and distorting the Word of Truth. And MANY before her excelled in scripturally dissecting see things.

Instead of being concerned with the heresies of Rebecca Brown, you willfully ignore those. This is not wisdom but utter foolishness. This is why some Pentecostals sleep with harlots,shoot drugs,steal or waste church money, but because they can capture an audience, you focus on their 'good'.

You should be very worried when bold lies captivate men's imagination.
-Islam was born out of one man subjective experiences
-Joseph Smith of Mormons wrote extensively of his visions and the cult of LDS was born.
-Ellen White wrote of her fantastic visions and SDA cult was born.

Can you see a pattern here? Whenever SUBJECTIVE experiences are used to derive doctrine and beliefs, men go astray.

muafrika:

Spiritual warfare is different according to our different denominations and Ideology. To me, attaining to goodness, mercy, righteousness and keeping the word is the greatest spiritual battle all Christians have to fight and win.

100 years ago, Christianity was still political and mostly European even in practice. It was also starting to expand into places like Africa which have a deeper sense of spirituality.

Am open minded, so I'll give experience a chance, if it stands the test of agreement with God's word.

Why should spiritual warfare be different across denominations and ideologies? Isn't truth objective?
And if everything has to be tested against the Word of Truth, shouldn't we then rather bury us in the Word rather than sharing 1001 strategies of slaying spirit wives?

I have noticed that education and income levels greatly influence some of these beliefs. There is an inverse relationship between these two and spiritism

Anas09:

@Oyeledef.

Alongside Jesus Christ and Apst Paul, I believe in the LITERAL Adam. And I don't have a problem with Billions or Millions of Yrs old Earth. Although, the ungodly Scientist may want to present some materials that are superfluous, with the aim to mislead. I think the yrs they put to those Mamoths and Dinosaurs fosils are exaggerated. That said.

I asked a question. When God created the Earth, time and seasons, which were propelled by day and night, was they dead in the animal kingdom? Or were animals like man who wasn't aging until the Fall?.
The reason for this question is this. The years or how Old the Earth is according to the records gotten from the Bible, follows events starting from how long Adam lived down to you and I. But from Creation to wen Adam fell, we don't ve any record of time.
Can it be safe to say, the World had endured for millions of yrs, the animals have lived long, died and some got extinct before Adam fell?

its oyeludef. Try reading the whole of Ezekiel 28 but let me make my point
Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Ezekiel 28:13-15 KJV
here you will see d fall of Satan. There was an eden where he ruled before. Bible scholars how understand d original text in which the book of Genesis was written (whether Hebrew or aramiac i don't know) claim dat the original interpretation of gen1:3 downwards signifies restoration. God destroyed d old world with a flood and caused everything to b still. Come to think of it, God asked adam to replenish(refill) the earth. If nothing had been there before, He will just av asked him to fill the earth.

muafrika:

Spiritual warfare is different according to our different denominations and Ideology. To me, attaining to goodness, mercy, righteousness and keeping the word is the greatest spiritual battle all Christians have to fight and win.

100 years ago, Christianity was still political and mostly European even in practice. It was also starting to expand into places like Africa which have a deeper sense of spirituality.

Am open minded, so I'll give experience a chance, if it stands the test of agreement with God's word.

Christianity is a life in christ and it cannot be devoid of experiences iin as much as such experience doesn't contradict d scriptures. D book of acts is a book dedicated to experiences and we even see times where apostles come together and share experiences dey had been having.

vooks:

You are really shallow.
Long before Rebecca Brown wrote her books, Hal Lindsay had done one in the 70s Satan is alive and well. Before him Derek Prince had extensively preached on spiritual warfare. In short, Rebecca Brown contributed ZERO but she succeeded in spreading lies and distorting the Word of Truth. And MANY before her excelled in scripturally dissecting see things.

Instead of being concerned with the heresies of Rebecca Brown, you willfully ignore those. This is not wisdom but utter foolishness. This is why some Pentecostals sleep with harlots,shoot drugs,steal or waste church money, but because they can capture an audience, you focus on their 'good'.

You should be very worried when bold lies captivate men's imagination.
-Islam was born out of one man subjective experiences
-Joseph Smith of Mormons wrote extensively of his visions and the cult of LDS was born.
-Ellen White wrote of her fantastic visions and SDA cult was born.

Can you see a pattern here? Whenever SUBJECTIVE experiences are used to derive doctrine and beliefs, men go astray.

sooo what church is borne out of Rebecca brown revelation of truth and warfare, please leave the woman alone and stop the persecutions.. you are comparing her to some cult-leaders for her exposing the truth.. have you met with any ex-Satanist or new Christian who was into witchcraft previously, she did corroborate the Rebecca story for you

ccollins:
it does not change the fact that it has sparked revivalism among churches and has help a lot of Christians get inspired to draw closer to God. I remember the thorn I'm flesh of apostle Paul which messenger of satan gave to Paul and out of optimism, Paul cried to God numerous times but God said that My Grace is sufficient unblock your weaknesses. does that make satan more super? No! spiritual warfare has been recorded in Bible and Rebecca brown exposed the kingdom of darkness slot and its mysteries so I expect all these complaints about her like seriously??

bros Rebecca brown book will not help you grow spiritually. Knowing the Devil wouldn't help you know God. Little wonder d Bible only contains few details about d devil. D book of revelation talks about a church( among d 7 churches) dat didn’t know d depth of satan and dey were commended. Jesus Christ overcame d devil but charged us to occupy till He comes. D Bible says we should resist d devil.
Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

oyeludef:
bros Rebecca brown book will not help you grow spiritually. Knowing the Devil wouldn't help you know God. Little wonder d Bible only contains few details about d devil. D book of revelation talks about a church( among d 7 churches) dat didn’t know d depth of satan and dey were commended. Jesus Christ overcame d devil but charged us to occupy till He comes. D Bible says we should resist d devil.
Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

okay sir, point noted. what of where Bible says do not be ignorant of vices of devil

vooks:


Why should spiritual warfare be different across denominations and ideologies? Isn't truth objective?
And if everything has to be tested against the Word of Truth, shouldn't we then rather bury us in the Word rather than sharing 1001 strategies of slaying spirit wives?

I have noticed that education and income levels greatly influence some of these beliefs. There is an inverse relationship between these two and spiritism

Take the word as a principle because the Bible does not spell out every situation that men may encounter in detail. So we'll compare with similar scriptural experiences and make decisions. It is in these applications that people have different ideas. So long as they are not so farfetched as to render the word they intend to fulfill void. It's not a big deal.

Where does the Idea of a spirit wife arise in the bible? This is what I mean by consistency with scripture.

oyeludef
Christianity is a life in christ and it cannot be devoid of experiences iin as much as such experience doesn't contradict d scriptures. D book of acts is a book dedicated to experiences and we even see times where apostles come together and share experiences dey had been having.

I agree. The entire bible is a record of experiences.

ccollins:
okay sir, point noted. what of where Bible says do not be ignorant of vices of devil

its in 2cor2:11. Paul was admonishing brethren to forgive eachother. Bitterness was d device of d devil dat paul was talking about and its different from learning about the devil.

Busybody2:



Very poignant post. Thanks once again for all the beautiful posts I have read from you that helped form the path I embarked on...and please don't stop, you never know who else is learning a thing or two...

The Bible makes sense the most to me out of all the journals out there because it covers all grounds and leaves no stones unturned and it has been revealing through the ages that the works and word of God does not return void and always accomplishes the purpose for which it was set...Science has recently been fervently studying and published a peer-reviewed "quantum double slit experiment" and discovered that human consciousness such as thoughts, prayer, etc and the material world and can influence it. I am glad there is now so much evidences out there that Science is discovering about the evidence of a Creator.

I have been trying forever to reply this post but kept getting side-tracked. Please excuse my tardiness, I also wanted to thank you for your kind words.

If the Bible makes the most sense to you then it is fitting that you anchor your beliefs firmly on it. In the great scheme of things it matters not what you believe, but more that…you believe. For me, being of a more mystical persuasion I view the Bible from a different perspective, for instance when I read the book of Genesis, I am struck by the numerological symphony going on, the priests who wrote the books buried a lot of Jewish arcana in them and it is not for the faint-hearted.

From Genesis to the Book of Revelations, (which is essentially a virtual word for word re-heating of the Sybilline Oracles) I find the Bible a compendium of Jewish and pagan mystical thought. Spiritually though, it is all doom and gloom, all sin, punishment and deprivations, personally I find the Vedas to be everything the Bible aspires to be and more enlightening. For instance, in the Bible the story of creation covers probably three or four chapters in the Book of Genesis, in the Vedas, there are four volumes on the story of creation alone!

I guess you are of the Divine Father/Divine Mother/we are all gods extract?!

Actually I don’t subscribe to the “we are all Gods tenets”, I know full well the place of my humble self in the universe. You know, people generally experience the divine in ways that are familiar to them and in a manner that they can rationalise, for a Christian that is of course Jesus. I perhaps experience the Divine Logos in different ways to a Christian, a Muslim or what have you.

So nowadays I just read for fun and have been exploring "star" children. You mentioned something about "auras", my first child has something special going on, but my second child, hmmm, everywhere we go enlightened people stop us to kinda like pray for him and marvel and revere him and hold him in such awe it's unreal and surreal...

I did mention auras. I believe my daughter has this ability also, although I think she’s gotten really good at hiding it. Your Son sounds really gifted, you should watch over him.

Here’s a little story. Two decades ago, I had cause to attend a politician who was bed-ridden in hospital, I was asked if I would do an aural reading for the gentleman, I finally met him after enduring a miserable red-eye flight into the nether regions of Tashkent, I realised nothing could be done for him, Upset, tired and much put-upon, I made my apologies and left. On my way out walking through the terminal wards I noticed a young girl of about 11 or 12 lying forlornly on a bed, her hair shaven, I approached her and offered her my obsidian stone which I always carry around and after a few words, I departed. She recovered fully and now runs a successful alternative therapy center for cancer. The Divine moves us around like pawns on a chessboard.

oyeludef:
i also av done some research on what d Bible says about the preadamic age here is a video on YouTube by benny hinn that was quite helpful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQkOGqaGzcA like kenneth hagin said in dat book, God told us everything about d devil he wants us to know so as Christians in the bible. Time started counting from Gen1:5 wen d Bible started saying the evening and d morning d first day nd so on. D realm of man is d realm of time however, man was immortal and never supposed to die because d Bible says death comes as d wages of sin nd tru one man(adam).

If man wasn't supposed to die, don't you think the Earth would have been overpopulated. Secondly, if Adam and Eve could fall that means they were not perfect. This means that if they didn't fall into Satan deception, their offsprings would.

Ganjafama:
If man wasn't supposed to die, don't you think the Earth would have been overpopulated. Secondly, if Adam and Eve could fall that means they were not perfect. This means that if they didn't fall into Satan deception, their offsprings would.

we are told that angels are innumerable. D concept of overpopulation exists because creation went into corruption after d fall of man. God’s plan are beyond ours.

ccollins:
it does not change the fact that it has sparked revivalism among churches and has help a lot of Christians get inspired to draw closer to God. I remember the thorn I'm flesh of apostle Paul which messenger of satan gave to Paul and out of optimism, Paul cried to God numerous times but God said that My Grace is sufficient unblock your weaknesses. does that make satan more super? No! spiritual warfare has been recorded in Bible and Rebecca brown exposed the kingdom of darkness slot and its mysteries so I expect all these complaints about her like seriously??

I don't doubt that it has some sort of an impact. It scared me (through demonic attacks which follow indulgence with such books)into some of her recommended rituals, like reading some bible chapter that she said would definitely get rid of spiritual attacks. These attacks happen when you indulge them. Such literature impacts fear of the devil, and I dare say, glorifies it. Try and ignore the same and discover you can sleep like a baby.

I assure you no works of darkness are exposed in that book. It's instead, like many other "I got delivered from satanism" stories, a cover up. It is pointing to a vain , imaginary danger with the purpose of deception. That way, the real devil goes unnoticed because we are busy fighting our imaginary devils.

4C2215131:


Hello, it is well.

With regard to the OTO thingy, no I am not, though I am well versed in their creeds. Just discovered that the movement was running at loggerheads with my subjective synthesis programme.

Seeing I am involved in the advanced arts ( read: Evocation to Physical Manifestation via the vehicle of CM), I really had to work on my psyche to make sure I don't bite more than I can chew.

Friend, it is real...very real. I unapologetically belong to the Objective Existence of Supernatural Entities group and seeing Crowley espoused a psychological lean to describing these beings which of course he inherited from his teachers Bennet, SLM and Dr.FIR subsequently inherited from him (Crowley) though the former vacillated at times between both continuum, it was very important for me not to toe the OTO line.

Yes, there is a psychological lean to thetje whole esoteric science stuff, so much so that to really develop in this thing of ours one has to really work out some real psychological stuff...psychoanalysis and whatnot.

There is so much to discuss here so you understand me better but this thread is not the place and time. Possibly this forum isn't. Tried couching my words in terms only an initiate can understand like you are so I don't get banished to the bottomless pit by you know who.

Maybe we'll create another thread to discuss matters in detail. Your journey thus far and mine and see if there is a meeting point as I am currently experimenting on mixing traditions to verify if the admonition given by the Old School system of practice on never mixing traditions is viable. I have come up with some interesting results.

At the anger stuff, lol, nah, am not usually so wound up. Like I said I was vulnerable that particular day and time.

Blessed Be.

Interesting, It was in fact "AC" who argued that the work of demonic evocation is merely a form of psychological self-exploration, I believe Carl Jung had similar views also. For me, there is slightly more to it than just an over-active imagination. Although I have given up on CM, (I found the paraphernalia and a lot of the ritual not to my tastes) In my experience I find evocation of deities often leads to deeper changes, at the level of psyche pure intent is required, in particular some means of adoration.

For me a deity's presence is most often experienced as a form of Gnosis. It is also in that state certain knowledge is imparted.

In fact, Invocation or Evocation. You do not meet the deity one becomes subsumed in the deity.

I would worry less about the niceties of mixing traditions, definitely interested in your results.

And there I have said too much already, do let’s talk on another thread some time.