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Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by Empredboy(m): 6:21am On Nov 29, 2015 |
vooks:follow the thread, why has your pastor canonized the dead against you pentecostal belief? |
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by vooks: 6:33am On Nov 29, 2015 |
Empredboy: Christ did not sanction satanic necromancy,idolatry and paganism in Catholicism my broda. |
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by vooks: 6:33am On Nov 29, 2015 |
Empredboy: Define CANONIZED Let me help you Canonization (in American English and Oxford spelling) or canonisation (in British English) is the act by which the Orthodox, Oriental Orthodoxy, Roman Catholic, or Anglican Church declares that a person who has died was a saint, upon which declaration the person is included in the canon, or list, of recognized saints. Originally, people were recognized as saints without any formal process. Later, different processes, such as those used today in the Orthodox and Roman Catholic Churches, were developed.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonization So it is declaring a dead person was a saint? Who is a SAINT? A saint is a person who is recognized as having an exceptional degree of holiness, or likeness to God.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint Do you see how lame your heart that Adeboye canonized somebody is? This desperate argument is so ret@rded that even marine invertebrates would not use it in an argument |
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by Empredboy(m): 6:35am On Nov 29, 2015 |
vooks:so Jesus talking with Moses and elijah during his transfiguration was a demon? Jesus commanding the dead like lazzarus and the officer daughter too was a demon too? Guy understanding this bible nah 1 Like |
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by Empredboy(m): 6:37am On Nov 29, 2015 |
vooks:I don't understand you |
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by vooks: 6:40am On Nov 29, 2015 |
Empredboy: Jesus is God Jesus is God Because He is God, He can do what you can't; 1. He created and sustains the creation with His word 2. He gives eternal life 3. He speaks to dead men So Jesus doing this is no license for you to do it. When a creature attempts to mimic the Creator, that is idolatry and blasphemy |
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by vooks: 6:41am On Nov 29, 2015 |
Empredboy:I can't put it any simpler am sorry |
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by Empredboy(m): 6:43am On Nov 29, 2015 |
italo:in addition They don't call their pastors fr but they call them daddy. They belief what ever their pastors say or prophesies even without consulting the Bible but accuse the Catholic of not reading the Bible |
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by Empredboy(m): 7:10am On Nov 29, 2015 |
vooks:where is your faith? Christ said if u have faith u can move mountain. Also we Christians are Christ like and we in Christ we can do all this through him. So with faith, moving of mountains doesn't mean moving mountain everest or kilimajaro but doing what is impossible for non Christian to do. Now adeboye has moved a mountain by declaring that awolowo is in heaven but you a shallow Christian won't understand. Just as Christ said destroy this temple then in three days I will rebuild it. Non Christians and shallow Christians like u kicked against it. So if u car belief in Christ process how will you belief in his people (church) process. Remember he said his kingdom is not of this world so whatever the church does is not forth the world to understand because we are in the world but not of the world. Your church is of the world that is why you understand ur church but catholic is not of the world which is the reason we are not understood. |
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by adsonstone: 8:54am On Nov 29, 2015 |
Ubenedictus: Your case is an instance of such allegation. You claim pentecostals condemn canonization without showing the examples I requested. Show me two or three examples of people who condemned canonization and where these people supported it when Pastor Adeboye 'canonized' mama H.I.D Awolowo . Ubenedictus: I don't know if there's a creed or belief statement anywhere. What I know is that they teach the Trinity as evidenced in many of their recorded sermons. |
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by macof(m): 1:19pm On Nov 29, 2015 |
Ubenedictus: And what about you? All that you believe is it because u are after truth or because some gay priest told you so? You are a hypocrite yourself 1 Like |
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by macof(m): 1:21pm On Nov 29, 2015 |
Look how catholics, Anglican , pentecostal etc will claim they are all right, others are wrong cus they get their dogmas from the holy spirit. This holy spirit must be a confusionist, deceiving people since 33AD 1 Like |
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by Aizenosa(m): 4:02pm On Nov 29, 2015 |
Lol una wan try to defend una new way I will not gree u must keep on criticising, since the people who taught u, have now become the evil u now fight, false christians believing what ur founders push u to believe, u are so not different from the pharisees of old always wanting to feel important, Catholicism has, is and will always be true like it or not, fight it or not. |
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by paulGrundy(m): 4:56pm On Nov 29, 2015 |
italo: You are taking his quote out of context, remember that catholics criteria for being a saint is different from that of pentecostals. A pentecostal believes that when a man is born again, he's a saint. But a catholic believes that one becomes a saint after death, after passing through some criteria. That alone makes your logic flawed. Now the same "Pentecostals" that call the Pope and the Church evil for daring to declare that a person is in heaven...are telling those criticizing Adeboye not to speak ill of a "man of God." This your US against THEM stance is funny. ![]() This is the same hypocrisy that pentecostal exhibit on virtually every Catholic doctrine. E.g Holy Communion, Celebration of Christmas, Easter etc. They criticize...then they copy it. 1 Like |
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by PastorAIO: 10:17pm On Nov 29, 2015 |
vooks: Whatever it was, I'm sure it wasn't a misunderstanding and misuse of the word Semantics. |
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by vooks: 4:30am On Nov 30, 2015 |
PastorAIO: It was chatting with the dead |
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by PastorAIO: 11:16am On Nov 30, 2015 |
vooks: No it wasn't. It was consulting a witch. |
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by vooks: 11:51am On Nov 30, 2015 |
PastorAIO:It was necromancy. You think God would have given him a pass had the witch made him coffee |
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by PastorAIO: 12:28pm On Nov 30, 2015 |
vooks: please show me the passage which said it was necromancy. |
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by orisa37: 2:11pm On Nov 30, 2015 |
"Vox Populi vox Dei", is The Theme of The Wisdom of Solomon. In The Name of jesus Christ, whatsoever a "Born Again" christian ordains on earth will be ordained for him/her in Heaven, so empowered Jesus. Adeboye is a "Born Again" Christian like any Pope in Rome or Alexandra. Adeboye can beatify, canolise and discern any Righteous human in Spirit and in the Company of our Lord Jesus Christ in Heaven. Remember that the Late Oluwawole Awolowo was an Evangelist and a "Born Again" Christian. He, like HID, is also a Saint in Heaven. 1 Like |
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by vooks: 5:26pm On Nov 30, 2015 |
PastorAIO:I did |
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by PastorAIO: 5:37pm On Nov 30, 2015 |
vooks: I don't know of Catholics doing anything that Saul did. I've never heard of Catholics summoning the dead. I've never heard of Catholics divining by using the spirits of dead people. |
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by vooks: 5:57pm On Nov 30, 2015 |
PastorAIO:Saul talked to a dead Samuel Catholics attempt to converse with dead 'saints' |
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by vooks: 5:59pm On Nov 30, 2015 |
PastorAIO:Consulting a witch to do what, his laundry? |
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by PastorAIO: 7:30pm On Nov 30, 2015 |
vooks: Catholics converse with dead saints!! ![]() ![]() Please can you show me where I can research this further because this is all new news to me. vooks: Consulting the Witch was the crime. The Witches craft of summoning dead spirits and mediumship was forbidden. Not talking to the dead cos That would damn all of christianity from the very start.
Even in my family there are stories of an aunt who nearly died, but when she was in a coma she saw my granddad and he told her to go back that it was not her time yet. I'm sure to you, that is necromancy too. Apart from the Adeboye part of thread which is the main core (I'm not interested in that part, the man is just a charlatan in m opinion) , my interest is in your belief that the dead in christ are inert and are not a part of the communion. 8And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. |
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by Aizenosa(m): 9:17pm On Nov 30, 2015 |
Some people are born with brain but forget it totally when dey do several things, eg vooks sorry but it seems u top the list. ARE you forgetting that the dead ask God when will be the punishment of the evil doers abi u close eye when you reach dere abi ur brain enter sleep mode. |
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by vooks: 7:41am On Dec 01, 2015 |
PastorAIO:Negro please. Does Virgin Mary ever speak to men? Consulting the Witch was the crime.Nope, it was talking to the dead The Witches craft of summoning dead spirits and mediumship was forbidden.See your idiocy? If talking to dead men is cool, why would using human agency to accomplish this be a sin? Not talking to the dead cos That would damn all of christianity from the very start. Utter foolishness. Is Christianity founded on communication with the dead? Jesus disappeared for 3 days during his death. He only resumed communion with the disciples AFTER resurrection Even in my family there are stories of an aunt who nearly died, but when she was in a coma she saw my granddad and he told her to go back that it was not her time yet. I'm sure to you, that is necromancy too.I don't need your bullsh*t tales ![]() Apart from the Adeboye part of thread which is the main core (I'm not interested in that part, the man is just a charlatan in m opinion) , my interest is in your belief that the dead in christ are inert and are not a part of the communion.Because God forbids communicating with the dead. The rich man had to beg for Lazarus to be resurrected so he could go and warn his living brethren. This is because the dead in their state are cut off from the living
Negro, This is heaven. This is God receiving worship from the spirits of the departed. The spirits are alive or animated but cut off from the living humans like you and me |
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by italo: 8:40am On Dec 01, 2015 |
paulGrundy: It will help you understand if you put aside the appellation: "saint," and focus on the essence of the issue At Canonization, Catholic declare that a person has lived a good life and was right with God when he/she died...so he/she is now in heaven this has been condemned by pentecostals for decades. They say the pope has no right to claim that Mother Theresa is in heaven. Now that is the exact thing that Adeboye has done. He has 'Canonized' 'St. Awolowo' in the Catholic sense...which pentecostals have condemned for long That is the issue you are deviating from. |
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by vooks: 8:53am On Dec 01, 2015 |
italo: italo is being economical with the truth. Before a saint is declared, somebody must have prayed to the dead Saint and a miracle/sign effected through this communication with the dead. The miracle must then be verified by Rome 1 Like |
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by italo: 9:15am On Dec 01, 2015 |
vooks: 1. The bold is false...it doesn't apply in all cases. do you agree it's false...or do you want me to take the paint to prove you wrong and ignorant of what you're talking about? 2. When protestants demonize canonization, it's not just the prayers to saints that they demonize...they demonize the very act of declaring that the person lived a good life and died right with God and is in heaven...which Adeboye has now done. focus on that. If Adeboye hasn't prayed and received a miracle from Awolowo, perhaps that's because those are not the essence of canonization. |
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by italo: 9:18am On Dec 01, 2015 |
vooks: You have forgotten that Christ is in me and I am in Chriso Christ in me can speak to the saints and I can speak to the saints through Christ. |
Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by italo: 9:19am On Dec 01, 2015 |
vooks: Prove the bold! Samuel is alive. |
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