italo:




What year did NT come out and what year was Catholicism invented?

Please provide evidence.


Humans can forgive sins and thereby give eternal life through the power of God in them.

Read John20:23.

Wow that's new! Please give ONE example where the Apostles did this in either Acts or the Epistles. I mean where , instead of pointing the people to the God through the Gospel, they forgave sins and , being God's proxies, dispensed eternal life.

italo,
Definition of NECROMANCY
Necromancy [N]
Form of divination in which a person calls upon the dead to receive communication that clarifies knowledge.
http://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionaries/bakers-evangelical-dictionary/necromancy.html

Divination by aid of the dead i
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/11411-necromancy

vooks:


Deuteronomy 18:11

10 - Neither let there be found among you any one that shall expiate his son or daughter, making them to pass through the fire: or that consulteth soothsayers, or observeth dreams and omens, neither let there be any wizard,

11 - Nor charmer, nor any one that consulteth pythonic spirits, or fortune tellers, or that seeketh the truth from the dead.

The bold seems to apply to Adeboye and other pentecostals too. The forecast the future, observe dreams and omens. Are you and Adeboye evil then?

While the verses never said we should not "contact the dead."

We Catholics don't even seek the truth from the dead. We ask the living to pray for us.

vooks:

Define necromancy and quote your sources

I thought I asked you first to provide proof that necromancy meant "contact with the dead."

If there is no proof, why don't you say that you were wrong in thinking that.

See how you have demonized all catholics, calling them necromancers out of stark ignorance.

italo:


I thought I asked you first to provide proof that necromancy meant "contact with the dead."

If there is no proof, why don't you say that you were wrong in thinking that.

See how you have demonized all catholics, calling them necromancers out of stark ignorance.

I have just given you two sources

italo:
10 - Neither let there be found among you any one that shall expiate his son or daughter, making them to pass through the fire: or that consulteth soothsayers, or observeth dreams and omens, neither let there be any wizard,

11 - Nor charmer, nor any one that consulteth pythonic spirits, or fortune tellers, or . [size=28pt] that seeketh the truth from the dead.[/size]

The bold seems to apply to Adeboye and other pentecostals too. The forecast the future, observe dreams and omens. Are you and Adeboye evil then?

While the verses never said we should not "contact the dead."

We Catholics don't even seek the truth from the dead. We ask the living to pray for us.

1. You seek the truth from the dead by COMMUNICATING WITH THEM
2. It also means the dead should not communicate truths to you
3. How many times has the demon called 'Virgin Mary' relayed truths through apparitions?
4. Does Catholicism cheer and encourage apparitions, and treat them as miracles? Imagine calling what Jesus call abomination miracles

Let's study Catholic Satanism at length here from their own sources;
https://www.ewtn.com/library/MARY/AKITA.HTM

vooks:
Pagan Catholics consult dead men

DEFINE NECROMANCER

The post is even indicting you pentecostals. It's you who are "observers of times" always coming up with lies of when the world will end etc...

And it doesn't define "necromancer."

vooks:

96AD

Provide evidence that today's bible existed as it is in 96AD.

vooks:

How many souls have you given life italo?
Where is your creation, where is your earth?
When last did you receive worship because you are God?

You're hallucinating. That's how you came about the bold.

vooks:
italo,
What is the difference between you talking to your grandfather by his grave and engaging Mary?

Difference is that my grandfather is my grandfather and Mary is Mary.

italo:


Provide evidence that today's bible existed as it is in 96AD.

What do you mean as it is?

If you want me to school you about how the bible came to us, go to this link that dismantles all your satanic lies that Catholics 'gave the world the bible'
http://www.bible.ca/canon.htm

You're hallucinating. That's how you came about the bold.

Catholicism is Satanism creeping into Christianity

Scholar8200:
Wow that's new! Please give ONE example where the Apostles did this in either Acts or the Epistles. I mean where , instead of pointing the people to the God through the Gospel, they forgave sins and , being God's proxies, dispensed eternal life.

Are you mad?

I showed you where Jesus gave them power to forgive sins and you're still asking me for examples of them forgiving sins.

Was Jesus blabbing?

italo:


Difference is that my grandfather is my grandfather and Mary is Mary.

The boy has run out of wits
There is no difference, both are paganism which God banned among his people

italo:
Are you mad?

I showed you where Jesus gave them power to forgive sins and you're still asking me for examples of them forgiving sins.

Was Jesus blabbing?

italo, how many have you forgiven their sins and given them eternal life?

italo, would you object to having sex with your wife seeing she is living?

italo:
Are you mad?

I showed you where Jesus gave them power to forgive sins and you're still asking me for examples of them forgiving sins.

Was Jesus blabbing?

No need to take it personal.

Afterall Jesus gave them power to raise the dead Acts 9:36-40 shows Peter raising the dead, Acts 19 shows Paul doing same. He gave them power to be witnesses and we see that being exercised all through out the Acts. They were given power to cast out devils and we see that in the Gospels and Acts!

Is it too much to ask that you show us where this power was exercised?

All through the Acts, I find them emphasizing repentance toward God and faith in Christ Jesus whence the use of their 'eternal-life giving power'?

For the records:

Someone may say to you, "Let's ask the mediums and those who consult the spirits of the dead. With their whisperings and mutterings, they will tell us what to do." But shouldn't people ask God for guidance? Should the living seek guidance from the dead?
Isaiah 8:19

italo:
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We Catholics don't even seek the truth from the dead. We ask the living to pray for us.

And the demon called Virgin Mary appears to you and gives you truth

vooks:
italo,
Definition of NECROMANCY
Necromancy [N]
Form of divination in which a person calls upon the dead to receive communication that clarifies knowledge.
http://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionaries/bakers-evangelical-dictionary/necromancy.html

Divination by aid of the dead i
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/11411-necromancy

Necromancy is clearly not merely contact with the dead as you ignorantly said. But it involves divination and conjuring of spirits of the dead to know truth from them

We Catholics don't do that.

We like Jesus speak to our living brothers and sisters. And it's not only God who can have contact with the saints as you foolishly think.

Heb 12 22But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, 23 and to the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

When we pray, we have access to all these.

vooks:


1. You seek the truth from the dead by COMMUNICATING WITH THEM
2. It also means the dead should not communicate truths to you
3. How many times has the demon called 'Virgin Mary' relayed truths through apparitions?
4. Does Catholicism cheer and encourage apparitions, and treat them as miracles? Imagine calling what Jesus call abomination miracles

Let's study Catholic Satanism at length here from their own sources;
https://www.ewtn.com/library/MARY/AKITA.HTM

1. We don't seek Marian apparitions...and don't seek for her to tell us any truths. We don't divine to conjure her spirit. It just happens when God wills it.

2. You're ignoring the fact that Adeboye and your other pastors are soothsayers and observers of dreams as found in the verses.

vooks:

What do you mean as it is?

If you want me to school you about how the bible came to us, go to this link that dismantles all your satanic lies that Catholics 'gave the world the bible'
http://www.bible.ca/canon.htm


The NT has 27 books. Prove that there was any bible at 96AD that contained 27 NT books

vooks:

Catholicism is Satanism creeping into Christianity

Yet it is your pentecostal pastors that are teaching you to eat snakes and teaching your wives and daughters to such "anointed milk" from their penis.es.
.

vooks:

The boy has run out of wits
There is no difference, both are paganism which God banned among his people

God never banned it. God did it at the transfiguration and further explained and encouraged it in Heb 12:22-24

vooks:


italo, how many have you forgiven their sins and given them eternal life?

Man can forgive sins according to John20:23 - Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.

Go and argue stupidly with Jesus who said it.

Scholar8200:
No need to take it personal.

Afterall Jesus gave them power to raise the dead Acts 9:36-40 shows Peter raising the dead, Acts 19 shows Paul doing same. He gave them power to be witnesses and we see that being exercised all through out the Acts. They were given power to cast out devils and we see that in the Gospels and Acts!

Is it too much to ask that you show us where this power was exercised?

All through the Acts, I find them emphasizing repentance toward God and faith in Christ Jesus whence the use of their 'eternal-life giving power'?

Even when it's explicitly written in John20:23, you choose to stay blind and live in denial.

It was Jesus that gave men power to forgive sins. Ask him for examples.

vooks:


And the demon called Virgin Mary appears to you and gives you truth

I don't know any demons. It's you who knows them.

italo:


Even when it's explicitly written in John20:23, you choose to stay blind and live in denial.

It was Jesus that gave men power to forgive sins. Ask him for examples.

Jesus:
Luke 24:46,47
46 and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem

The above explains John 20:23. (You wonder why all the other Gospels do not hint at John 20:23 and that John 20:23 is silent about all disciples and apostles going into all the world to preach like you find in all the Gospels). When we preach the Gospel, we as Christ's ambassadors make it possible that HE reconciles men to God through our witnessing

Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God.
2 Corinth 5:20

NOW APOSTLES, WHO FORGIVES SINS AND GRANTS LIFE? HEAR THEM ANSWER (AND WHY WOULD THEY CONTRADICT THEIR LORD IF INDEED YOUR CLAIMS ARE CORRECT?)

Peter:
20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money. 21 Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God. 22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
Acts 8:20-22

Paul:
testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
Acts 20:21


John:
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:9

italo:


Do some work. Use Google. I can't spoon-feed you.

I know what google said, I just wanted you to affirm to it.

After someone dies, a miracle that is verified by the vatican, has to be ascribed to that person before he can be cannonized. A miracle was not ascribed to HID Awolowo, are we talking about two different things here?

Scholar8200:


Jesus:
Luke 24:46,47
46 and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem

The above explains John 20:23. (You wonder why all the other Gospels do not hint at John 20:23 and that John 20:23 is silent about all disciples and apostles going into all the world to preach like you find in all the Gospels). When we preach the Gospel, we as Christ's ambassadors make it possible that HE reconciles men to God through our witnessing

Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God.
2 Corinth 5:20

NOW APOSTLES, WHO FORGIVES SINS AND GRANTS LIFE? HEAR THEM ANSWER (AND WHY WOULD THEY CONTRADICT THEIR LORD IF INDEED YOUR CLAIMS ARE CORRECT?)

Peter:
20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money. 21 Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God. 22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
Acts 8:20-22

Paul:
testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
Acts 20:21


John:
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:9

keep fooling yourself

paulGrundy:


I know what google said, I just wanted you to affirm to it.

After someone dies, a miracle that is verified by the vatican, has to be ascribed to that person before he can be cannonized. A miracle was not ascribed to HID Awolowo, are we talking about two different things here?

The miracle is not the essence of canonization.

The main thing is what I told you earlier which Adeboye has done.

People have been canonized without miracles.

Google will tell you that too.

italo:
keep fooling yourself

..., Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Mark7:9

italo:


Man can forgive sins according to John20:23 - Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.

Go and argue stupidly with Jesus who said it.

Since man can forgive sins, how many have you forgiven and given eternal life?

italo:


I don't know any demons. It's you who knows them.

You can't reach the dead. That's the essence of Luke 16 parable. What you contact are demons

italo:


God never banned it. God did it at the transfiguration and further explained and encouraged it in Heb 12:22-24

God encouraged necromancy? What god?