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Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by mandarin: 4:03pm On Nov 25, 2015 |
The historical record of Rev Samuel Johnson had its own limitations which today is responsible for questions being asked by the younger generation. That record was based on the Oyo Empire and every other sub groups were viewed from that perspective. Before Oyo Empire, there was Ife(it was not founded by Oduduwa but Oduduwa era came in after over 90 kings had reigned).Tracing their roots to Ife is not just from Yoruba alone but their kinsmen from West Africa even the Ijaw. If you for instance read the history of the Ijaw, it is boldly written that their claimed ancestor was a brother of Adimu or Adimula who Yoruba called Olofin Adimula in Ife. The Eastern Yoruba and the Ijebu were before the coming of Oyo Empire. Such groups as Ekiti, Ondo, Owo, Ose, Ilaje, Ikale, Ijebu, Ife, Okun, Igbomina, Akoko and Bini were most probable under Ugbo and Ife at different times befor the coming of Oyo. The Oranmiyan that started the Oyo Empire took off from IFE after sojourn in BINI(probably through war expedition) and could not hold on to his authority at his return to IFE(probably because his lieutenants have established themselves well enough or his power has been overthrowned). Ife existed way before Oyo for many centuries just like the Ekiti, Akoko, Ijebu and several Ondo groups. Linguists have found out that the age of development of Yoruba dialects put the Ilaje/Itsekiri/Ikale, Ekiti and Ijebu as the oldest. From Oma(CHild) to Omo(child) and so on. The history of the Yoruba did not start with Oduduwa as Agboniregun, Orunmila were much in older folklores and they were from the Eastern Yoruba country and probably where Oduduwa originated. 3 Likes |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by Nobody: 8:14pm On Nov 25, 2015 |
macof: It was Ibadan not Oyo empire and this led to kiriji war between Ekiti (& Ijesa) and Ibadan. Oyo speaking & Ekiti groups have the largest populations among Anago or Lucumi tribe( Akure land about 3 LGA + 3 LGA in kwara are part of Ekiti) many old people in present Yorubaland hate being called Yoruba just like Itsekiri, olukumi & other Yorubas in Cuba, Brazil, who preferred Lucum; it refers to only Oyo group but for political identity, Ijebu, Ekiti, Ife, Okun, Akoko, Owo, Ondo, Ijesa, Igbomina, Ilaje, Ikale, Egba, etc now accepted to be called so. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by macof(m): 4:49pm On Nov 26, 2015 |
alablec: Well , Oyo claim to have had Ijebu (except the waterside) and Ekiti which a lot of people seem to disagree. I can't speak for ijebu but I know some parts of Ekiti were under Oyo, the administration passed unto Ibadan and expanded further. Akure were part of Ekiti, but Ajaponda left, there's no point calling Akure Ekiti |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by scholes0(m): 5:13pm On Nov 26, 2015 |
macof: Akure is culturally and dialectically Ekiti. 1 Like |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by macof(m): 7:50pm On Nov 26, 2015 |
scholes0:I've not listened to the Akure dialect but you need to know that "Ekiti" is really not a single dialect Remember Ekiti is a traditional confederacy 1 Like |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by Nobody: 10:05pm On Nov 26, 2015 |
macof: Ekiti is the only homogeneous state in the S/W with a dialect and they all accepted this but you can only claim there exist variations in the border areas with influence of Ijesa, Igbomina, Okun and Akoko. Yes, Ekiti has more than 16 kingdoms that exist at present in Ekiti State, one of those is Akure; to Ondo Ekimogun, she only shared boundary with Ekiti and Akoko not Akure or Owo. Ekiti was the most ancient as they once occupied Ife; Ado is referred to as "Ule IFA" as per Orunmila and Agboniregun. One can't make incantation without mentioning Ajero, Alara or Ikole. It's the dialect you can refer to as middle 'passage' of the Yoruboid languages including Igala and Itsekiri. One or two Ekiti towns use 'Atta' instead of 'Oba',e.g, Atta of Ayede. Archeological discovery pointed to the fact that Ekiti area has been inhabited for thousands of years and the most ancient human bones in West Africa was found in Iwo Eleru near Akure. You need to study Akure, Ilara-moki, Igbara-Oke, Iju,etc in Ondo State and Ise, Emure, Igbara-odo, etc in Ekiti State to know that these people are the same in culture, dialect, food(pounded yam),etc. Oyo empire never cover Ekiti just like Ife; Ekitiland is mainly of thick forest surrounded by great hills and mighty rocks, very difficult for Oyo caravan, horsemen to penetrate but Oyo expanded very well in the savana up to Ghana. The main challenge was with Bini and they didn't bring Ekiti under their authority but settled in Ado-Bini(Akure) for sometime to exert some influence on surrounding communities and it was always wars as towns like Ikere, Iyin, Otun, etc would never accept to be subservient to any empire until Ibadan power block emerged from dead greater Oyo Empire lording it over every Yoruba territory only Afonja warriors (reminants of Oyo empire army in Ilorin cum the released Hausa slaves, Baruba, Tapa and few Fulani) in Ilorin could engaged Ibadan but Ekiti too could not tolerate Ibadan, and their 'ajeles' and soldiers were brutally slaughtered, this led to Ekiti parapo (kiriji) war with Ijesa support and Ijebus supplying Ekitis with the firearms needed to defeat Ibadan, the enemy of everyone then. Ekiti parapo armies under the Command of Ogedengbe were already at Ikire before British broke peace....the rest they say, is history. we are now Yorubas and we are one, whether some were of ancient Atlantis, Phonicians, Semitic, Hamitic, kushites, Nok etc, we are now one... 6 Likes |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by Ghost01(m): 4:02pm On Nov 27, 2015 |
macof:Scholes0 is right about Akure being Ekiti. It's the same with Iju & Itaogbolu. 1 Like |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by macof(m): 6:48pm On Nov 27, 2015 |
alablec:What I'm saying is that Akure left the Ekiti arrangement preferring independence. Whether they are culturally Ekiti or not, They remain Everly close to us but hold themselves distinct from Ekiti. .and this is not about Ondo state/Ekiti state. Ijesa are also culturally and dialectically identical to Ekiti Btw There's no single "Ekiti" dialect, like you said there are variants but we understand ourselves perfectly well. in my home town we say "mee se" others say "mi ke se". "Ifaki tia" others may say "Ado ria" That is why Ekiti say "Ekiti a ti parapo, okan la wa nse" we used to be different. If care is not taken Imesi will be said to be Ekiti. .maybe even Ilesa because Ilesa were also in Ekiti parapo 1 Like |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by macof(m): 6:56pm On Nov 27, 2015 |
scholes0:In my opinion, so is Ilesa. At one time, all of Ekiti was referred to as "Ijesa" In some of orunmila's oriki u hear "ara ode Ijesa" when we all know he was an Ekiti man 1 Like |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by tpiadotcom: 9:00pm On Nov 27, 2015 |
Ife nko? |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by scholes0(m): 10:30am On Nov 28, 2015 |
macof: There is the confederation of Ekiti, Akoko, Ijesa and Okun, known as the Ekiti Parapo (The Military unit which came together to checkmate Ibadan expansionism) Then, there is also the Ekiti CULTURAL group/subdivision of the Yoruba race who share dialect and culture. Ilesha belonged to the former, not the later, they are culturally ijesha just like Esa Oke, Ibokun, Erin Ijesha. the mountainous Efon Alaaye region in Ekiti state is near the border of Ekiti sd Ijesha sub-groups. By the way which Imesi were you referrig to? Imesi Ile or Oke-Imesi ? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by macof(m): 2:06pm On Nov 28, 2015 |
scholes0: What is the cultural differences between Ekiti and Ijesa? Imesi are one people, imesi ile was founded by Oke imesi |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by toyinakomolafe(m): 1:59am On Nov 30, 2015 |
Imesi Ile is actually the cradle, that is why it is called imesi ile(origin).there is also another imesi in gbonyin LGA of ekiti state. Imesi ile is in osun state while oke imesi and imesi are in ekiti. As for Efon, it was a distinct group but among the ekiti confederacy. Akure left the confederacy because of efon due to seniority clash. What is the cultural differences between Ekiti and Ijesa? Imesi are one people, imesi ile was founded by Oke imesi[/quote] |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by toyinakomolafe(m): 2:07am On Nov 30, 2015 |
Good point, as an ekiti man, I understand igala language just little difference. For example, in igala, oya mi t bimo alablec: |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by macof(m): 10:07pm On Nov 30, 2015 |
toyinakomolafe: But the Oloja Owa Oke- Imesi is a first class king in Yorubaland, I don't even know what they call the Oba at imesi-ile. Sometimes "ile" doesn't represent origin. In Ekiti there's Ido, there's Ido-ile/idole . Idole was founded by folks from Ido. "Ile" home meaning home for all imesi Efon was a kingdom that had many genuine Ekiti towns under it. . But does joining the confederacy make efon more Ekiti than Ijesa now? |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by toyinakomolafe(m): 5:20pm On Dec 02, 2015 |
ILE as a suffix with many Yoruba towns usually connotes origin. Ido Ile is actually the origin of many Idos. You can always verify this claim by doing more research. macof: |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by macof(m): 10:00pm On Dec 02, 2015 |
toyinakomolafe: I don't know where "ile" ever denotes origin. . Its all new to me. So what does "Eko-ile" denote? What other idos came from idole? |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by scholes0(m): 11:58pm On Dec 02, 2015 |
macof: Rilly? Ile-Ife nko? |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by macof(m): 3:20am On Dec 03, 2015 |
scholes0: Ile" doesn't denote origin. . "Ile-Ife" altogether does |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by scholes0(m): 4:07am On Dec 03, 2015 |
macof: I actually think it does. Because there are other ifes, such as "Ifetedo", "Ifewara" etc. 1 Like |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by macof(m): 8:56am On Dec 03, 2015 |
scholes0: *sighs* if you don't accept my own, I accept ur own. No need to take this any further 1 Like |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by DiademSh07: 8:49pm On Dec 04, 2015 |
dejavski:Lol! Ondo kingdom celebrates ayeilala and umale very well! As a matter of fact, ilaje language is no different from Ondo dialects! I really don't know what the hell you are trying to saying here! As matter of fact, what denotes a Yoruba is the descent from Ife, of which the Ilaje is also a descent! I really doubt you are Ilaje though! 3 Likes |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by dejavski(m): 9:06pm On Dec 04, 2015 |
DiademSh07: Lol? Did you read what I wrote there? |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by DiademSh07: 9:23pm On Dec 04, 2015 |
dejavski:You seem to have identity crises as opposed to a true Ilaje who has none! The basic thing is if Ife is the ancestral home as it is for Ilaje, Ondo, Ijebu etc, then they are all Yoruba! 3 Likes |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by dejavski(m): 7:02am On Dec 05, 2015 |
DiademSh07: How do you recognise a tribe? They share the same culture and traditional beliefs. Please help me outline one of these two things that is being shared across all territories in yorubaland? |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by Flyoruboy(m): 1:16pm On Dec 05, 2015 |
scholes0: Then how come Samuel Johnson's history of the Yoruba states that the first Awujale of Ijebuland was sent from Oyo by the Alaafin? |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by macof(m): 3:42pm On Dec 05, 2015 |
Flyoruboy: That's nonsense. The Awujale dynasty is older than Alafin. .as Awujale was an elder brother of Alaafin 2 Likes |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by Flyoruboy(m): 4:00pm On Dec 05, 2015 |
macof: Ok. If you say so. But like I said, according to Samuel Johnson and this Wiki link, the Awujale title came into being during Alaafin Jayin's reign -- this account states that it was an ilari sent by the Alaafin to the Ijebuland that became the frist Awujale https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayin I am typing via my phone I would have quoted Samuel Johnson's submission. |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by macof(m): 12:25am On Dec 06, 2015 |
Flyoruboy: I'm familiar with Samuel Johnson, I don't take his book seriously. .too much errors |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by tpiar: 6:14pm On Dec 06, 2015 |
macof: I'm not sure what you folks are typing. is there anyone here who can correct you? |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by tpiar: 7:43pm On Dec 06, 2015 |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by macof(m): 9:40am On Dec 07, 2015 |
tpiar:If you have something to say, just say it If not run along to another thread |
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