menesheh:


Before you could do that, first of all, wean yourself of all your preconceptions and presuppositions so that you can actually follow where the evidence will lead you. It is a better way to go about it to avoid being delusioned and biased into believing any of those things which can either creationism or evolution.

If you still bear your preconceptions, chances that you maybe thriving in the god of the gap.

Can existence occur by random processes.

winner01:
Can existence occur by random processes.

Is this question not irrelevant to my comment. Read my comment again.

menesheh:

That's why we are promoting critical thinking and critical evaluation of evidence before one can start believing anything.

The only thing you promote here is doubt and disbelief in God.
What sort of critical thought proposes a design without a designer, creation without purpose, ignorance of origination, morality without reason.
Lack of evidence is not non existence. Ive asked you to post the picture of the human mind here as proof of its existence.

menesheh:

The reason why i love google and Internet is that it will give you everything you need both supporting arguments and falsification (nullification) counterparts. You will be the one to use your brain to arrive to a more propable conclusion.

The human brain is usually insufficient for making unique decisions. If there is a Creator and an adversary, do you really think your brains could defeat the adversary who probably has dealt with several generations. Would you be able to handle physically an evil inspired article, i think not.
The normal human thought process is weak and will give sound premises to sanction homosexuality, necrophilia, beastiality, indiscriminate sex, murder for gain, public funds embezzlement, thuggery in short madness. Only the love of God can activate a mans conscience against evil.

menesheh:

Religion have been thriving for bunch of millenia without any possible counter to its tenets and moral values. Google had seriously broken the jinx and allow for more deeper evaluation of the claimed truth of all religion.

Christianity will continue to thrive. you can criticize, adjust, manipulate or plan its death, but you cant bury the truth. Goggle will come and go but the word of our God will stand forever.

menesheh:



Is this question not irrelevant to my comment. Read my comment again.

It a simple question.

Can existence occur by random processes.

vooks:


I did that trying to disentangle the many wild claims you make without thinking or blinking

Is that the best way to argue? You can still do the same by bringing up more valid points to overwhelm mine.
You have been making the most crazy arguments here but i dont complain or go on a bashing spree like you always did. That means if we are to argue one on one, you may start flexing muscle to blow me.

So if we can continue exchanging comments, desist from doing such.

winner01:
It a simple question.

Can existence occur by random processes.

I don't know. What's the meaning of "random process"

Is this a way to deviat from the argument on board.

menesheh:



I don't know. What's the meaning of "random process"

Is this a way to deviat from the argument on board.

You get 2 argument?

menesheh:


Is that the best way to argue? You can still do the same by bringing up more valid points to overwhelm mine.
You have been making the most crazy arguments here but i dont complain or go on a bashing spree like you always did. That means if we are to argue one on one, you may start flexing muscle to blow me.

So if we can continue exchanging comments, desist from doing such.

When you make a mishmash of submissions, I have to try my best not to ignore any and that is exactly what I did. Try and organize your thoughts and be focused on whatever point you want and we will tackle it amicably. You should give me credit for trying bro. This is a hard job poring through your rants

Menesheh should call on the remaining army of his for help. You are trapped between two wovles and you gonna be shreded into pieces inside your own thread.

Vooks and winners tearing menesheh without mercy

winner01:
The only thing you promote here is doubt and disbelief in God.
What sort of critical thought proposes a design without a designer, creation without purpose, ignorance of origination, morality without reason.

Doubt is a healthy way to making sure that you are not biased and deluded in your conclusion. Muslims can know whether there is allah out there by doubting its existence. You still fail to demonstrate that such designer exists first b4 attributing anything to the designer. It is just postulations from a book out of many similar books without any mechanism to investigate such designer.

Am sick and tired of this wrist watch analogy if you can't understand.

Lack of evidence is not non existence.

You are right but you gats wait until we discover such existence. You don't have to first presuppose and start believing such existence when it have not be proven to exist beyond reasonable doubt.

The human brain is usually insufficient for making unique decisions. If there is a Creator and an adversary, do you really think your brains could defeat the adversary who probably has dealt with several generations. Would you be able to handle physically an evil inspired article, i think not.

Demonstrate the existence of such sky fairy first.

The normal human thought process is weak and will give sound premises to sanction homosexuality, necrophilia, beastiality, indiscriminate sex, murder for gain, public funds embezzlement, thuggery in short madness. Only the love of God can activate a mans conscience against evil.
Christianity will continue to thrive. you can criticize, adjust, manipulate or plan its death, but you cant bury the truth. Goggle will come and go but the word of our God will stand forever.

Truth dont fear criticism. Infact, the more you criticize truth, the more it shines. Opposite is the case with Christainity. They fear criticism. The more atheists uproot the flaws of christainity, the more believers become agnostic on their own.

FOLYKAZE:
Menesheh should call on the remaining army of his for help. You are trapped between two wovles and you gonna be shreded into pieces inside your own thread.

Vooks and winners tearing menesheh without mercy

Strawman. They are making crazy arguments. Is not about taking sides. If there are votes on that note, then...

Fallacies everywhere but i dont care, i care much about audience reading through.

@Menesheh-----is it that you want to SEE God(materialism) or seeking a logic to proof His existence ?

menesheh:



Strawman. They are making crazy arguments. Is not about taking sides. If there are votes on that note, then...

Fallacies everywhere but i dont care, i care much about audience reading through.

Explain the something from nothing myth in big bang to us pls

BETATRON:
@Menesheh-----is it that you want to SEE God(materialism) or seeking a logic to proof His existence ?

Whatever way is acceptable but they gat nothing. Totally nothing.

FOLYKAZE:


Explain the something from nothing myth in big bang to us pls

I dont know and am still waiting patiently to hear your arguments on how you came to the conclusion that it is a sky fairy that created it all.

menesheh:



I dont know and am still waiting patiently to hear your arguments on how you came to the conclusion that it is a sky fairy that created it all.

It baffles me how someone accuses religion folks of holding unto myth while he believes the whole universe comes out of nothing.

Your Something from Nothing myth is dumber than God

menesheh:



Strawman. They are making crazy arguments. Is not about taking sides. If there are votes on that note, then...

Fallacies everywhere but i dont care, i care much about audience reading through.

Not exactly crazy but above your pay grade

More evidence of how Big Bang is fatally flawed
http://metaresearch.org/cosmology/BB-top-30.asp

Remember these are not Christians refuting it but scientists.

vooks:


When you make a mishmash of submissions, I have to try my best not to ignore any and that is exactly what I did. Try and organize your thoughts and be focused on whatever point you want and we will tackle it amicably. You should give me credit for trying bro. This is a hard job poring through your rants

I give you that credit for not shrinking my comment for now.
Good of you boi.

When you are arguing, you dont commend yourself and refer your opponent's other side of the argument as rant but you'd rather point out the flaws and fallacious in such argument. Hope you get?

So if you are angry with my comments, so fuccking what? Am still waiting to hear your arguments.

menesheh:



I dont know and am still waiting patiently to hear your arguments on how you came to the conclusion that it is a sky fairy that created it all.

Am still patiently waiting to to hear which of these is more ret@rded
1. 'In the Beginning God....'
2. 'In the Beginning Nothing...'

You come across as a wannabe thinker and am pressed to know how any thinking primate entertains 1 as mythical and 2 as 'science'.

It takes special effort to miss this hypocrisy

menesheh:



I give you that credit for not shrinking my comment for now.
Good of you boi.

When you are arguing, you dont commend yourself and refer your opponent's other side of the argument as rant but you'd rather point out the flaws and fallacious in such argument. Hope you get?

So if you are angry with my comments, so fuccking what? Am still waiting to hear your arguments.

If you are any literate, it should have been apparent by now that calling the IMPOSSIBLE science and calling its alternative mythical is hypocrisy

vooks:


If you are any literate, it should have been apparent by now that calling the IMPOSSIBLE science and calling its alternative mythical is hypocrisy

Chai

vooks:


Not exactly crazy but above your pay grade

More evidence of how Big Bang is fatally flawed
http://metaresearch.org/cosmology/BB-top-30.asp

Remember these are not Christians refuting it but scientists.

You are forcing words into my mouth. Reread my comments here again and point out where am making argument on big bang. Am not a scientist. That i trust scientific findings to some maximum degree doesn't automatically made me a defender of scientific findings.

So my concern here is what you believe and why, because all religious believes are in conformity with fairies, superstition, myth etc.

vooks:


Am still patiently waiting to to hear which of these is more ret@rded
1. 'In the Beginning God....'
2. 'In the Beginning Nothing...'

You come across as a wannabe thinker and am pressed to know how any thinking primate entertains 1 as mythical and 2 as 'science'.

It takes special effort to miss this hypocrisy

Where is weigraf, Johnydon22, plaetton, dalaman and ifeness?

This guy will kill someone here

vooks:


Am still patiently waiting to to hear which of these is more ret@rded
1. 'In the Beginning God....'
2. 'In the Beginning Nothing...'

I don't know. I've been repeating myself severally here but to deaf ears. Am only disbelieving your unsubstantiated claims of a deity that caused all. I never asserted anything.

You come across as a wannabe thinker and am pressed to know how any thinking primate entertains 1 as mythical and 2 as 'science'.

It takes special effort to miss this hypocrisy

The difference between me and you is that i disbelieve in your religious claims and desist from doing anything with it because it is utterly useless but you attack science and still live every bit of your life on the product of such nonsensical science.

vooks:


Not exactly crazy but above your pay grade

More evidence of how Big Bang is fatally flawed
http://metaresearch.org/cosmology/BB-top-30.asp

Remember these are not Christians refuting it but scientists.

I know until you convince me that it is above my pay grade as you put it.

menesheh:


I don't know. I've been repeating myself severally here but to deaf ears. Am only disbelieving your unsubstantiated claims of a deity that caused all. I never asserted anything.


The difference between me and you is that i disbelieve in your religious claims and desist from doing anything with it because it is utterly useless but you attack science and still live every bit of your life on the product of such nonsensical science.

I respect REAL science but pseudo-science pretending to be science is something my highly developed brain can't accommodate and I never hesitate to call it out.

Go back to Origins.
Since you don't know where you came from, does that mean you are open to every nonsense such as ' in the beginning NOTHING....'?

menesheh:



You are forcing words into my mouth. Reread my comments here again and point out where am making argument on big bang. Am not a scientist. That i trust scientific findings to some maximum degree doesn't automatically made me a defender of scientific findings.

So my concern here is what you believe and why, because all religious believes are in conformity with fairies, superstition, myth etc.

Am also not a scientist so that makes two of us. But that does not disqualify me from calling out pseudo-science whenever and wherever.

Do you need ten PhDs in science to know that this iPhone 6 Plus am using is not a product of accident?

Big Bang and evolution are as mythical and religious concepts as Abrahamic religions. Do you agree with this?

Both are unprovable,untestable, yet they are FIRMLY held as truths

menesheh:


I don't know. I've been repeating myself severally here but to deaf ears. Am only disbelieving your unsubstantiated claims of a deity that caused all. I never asserted anything.

We are also disbelieve Big-bang claim that the universe came from Nothing.

Universe out of nothing is the most fallacious claim in science society.

menesheh:

The difference between me and you is that i disbelieve in your religious claims and desist from doing anything with it because it is utterly useless but you attack science and still live every bit of your life on the product of such nonsensical science.

Modern science have it root in ancient spiritualism and religion. The fact that you enjoy inventions of modern science have it credit given back to it original source which is ancient spiritualism and religion.

Alchemy gives birth to Chemistry.

Astrology gives birth to astronomy.

Psychology as it is known have root in ancient spiritualism.

We are only trying to relate ancient spiritualism with modern science but you are hell bent trying to seperate the two

vooks:


If you are any literate, it should have been apparent by now that calling the IMPOSSIBLE science and calling its alternative mythical is hypocrisy

Exactly ! menesheh is truly a half-thinker as plaetton would say

FOLYKAZE:


We are also disbelieve Big-bang claim that the universe came from Nothing.

Universe out of nothing is the most fallacious claim in science community.

I don't care. I care what's true. It seems science community love it when you criticize and bring out the flaws of any scientific fact. They will even dash you some million dollars and make you a celeb for disproven them. On like religion that sentence ony one who wanted to help them come outer their delusion to death row.

Modern science have it root in ancient spiritualism and religion. The fact that you enjoy inventions of modern science have it credit given back to it original source which is ancient spiritualism and religion.

Alchemy gives birth to Chemistry.

Astrology gives birth to astronomy.

Psychology as it is known have root in ancient spiritualism.

We are only trying to relate ancient spiritualism with modern science but you are hell bent trying to seperate the two

Seems the arguments is pretty turning childish one.

Even if i should i agree with you that modern science is rooted in spiritualism and religion which i don't really agree, we are no longer trekking the trek to far distance places with foot, we now use cars, airplane, sophisticated ship etc, then we changed.

Science had gone far from primitive to advance. Previously, people do cast demons as the cause of some illness but we now know that those sicknesses were cause by tiny bacterias, virus etc and have been developing vaccines and medications for that aspect, it continued to be consistent.

Science have discovered pretty much things in recent years and the causes of those phenomena and events that medieval men attributed to known unknowns causations are now known to be false.

There're many more things to discover as time rolls. So religion is such an irrelevant postulation of ancient naive men. Aristotle was so brilliant and smart guy during his time but presently, a boy of 14 can teach him things that will waw him. That's the journey from simplicity to complexity.

The most dangerous thing that can happen to a 21st century smart person is intentionally assuming ignorance and not conforming with the changes we are witnessing. Then continue to thrive in ancient scribbings.

@ FOLYKAZE ... I need to be certain about your stance on religion . Are agnostic or religious ?