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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by johnydon22(m): 2:32pm On Dec 06, 2015
FOLYKAZE:


Where is weigraf, Johnydon22, plaetton, dalaman and ifeness? shocked

This guy will kill someone here cry undecided


I read through this thread, you are not really arguing here.. Just making sassy childish remarks, picking on menesheh and making jest.. Its quite demeaning and childish.

Now You claim to be an atheist but a spiritual one, pray tell sir.. what is your own stance on causality.. ?

Lets see how well your own stance on causality is placed

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by FOLYKAZE(m): 2:32pm On Dec 06, 2015
menesheh:


Universe out of nothing is the most fallacious claim in science society.


I don't care. I care what's true. It seems science community love it when you criticize and bring out the flaws of any scientific fact. They will even dash you some million dollars and make a celeb for disproven them. On like religion that sentence ony one who wanted to help them come outer their delusion to death row.

We are concerned why you took IMPOSSIBLE as science and regard religion stories which are mostly in metaphor as myth.

All this would be put at rest when and only you see big bang something out of nothing theory as mythology.


menesheh:

Seems the arguments is pretty turning childish one.

Even if i should i agree with you that modern science is rooted in spiritualism and religion which i don't really agree, we are no longer trekking the trek to far distance places with foot, we now use cars, airplane, sophisticated ship etc, then we changed.

Science had gone far from primitive to advance. Previously, people do cast demons as the cause of some illness but we now know that those sicknesses were cause by tiny bacterias, virus etc and have been developing vaccines and medications for that aspect, it continued to be consistent.

Science have discovered pretty much thing in recent centuries and the causes of those phenomena and events that medieval men attributed to known unknowns causations are now known to be false.

There many more things to discover as time rolls. So religion is such an irrelevant postulation of ancient naive men. Aristotle was so brilliant and smart guy during his time but presently, a boy of 14 can teach him things that will waw him. That's the journey from simplicity to complexity.

The most dangerous thing that can happen to a 21st century smart person is intentionally assuming ignorance and not conforming with the changes we are witnessing. Then continue to thrive in ancient scribbings.

Einstein said: "Religion without science is blind, science without religion is lame"
Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by ValentineMary(m): 2:33pm On Dec 06, 2015
vooks:
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The biggest mythology of all times is the one that tells you that once upon a time NOTHING decided to form something (Big Bang). This something later by billions of random accidents made man (Evolution)
Smh. Who told u nothing came from nothing? How can u be this ignorant about science Big bang explains that the universe began to expand from a dense hot point. The expansion was due to instability. This expansion released energy into space and it began to expand. After about 130,000 years the first sub atomic parilticle was formed. at least E_MC^2 explains this laat part. Funny enough there is proof of the big bang. Our expanding universe proves that this expansion started from a point. Do more reading bro. Am a student of biochemistry but at least we ought to have basic science knowledge. Thank you.

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by menesheh(m): 2:35pm On Dec 06, 2015
vooks:


Am also not a scientist so that makes two of us. But that does not disqualify me from calling out pseudo-science whenever and wherever.


What and what are the pseudoscience. As naive as you are and me too about evolution and big bang, we don't have the expertise to call evolution and big bang a pseudoscience. Even if we should, scientific community that have the expertise don't see it as a pseudoscience.
If you see any flaw that disprove evolution, you're a celeb already.

Do you need ten PhDs in science to know that this iPhone 6 Plus am using is not a product of accident?

Big Bang and evolution are as mythical and religious concepts as Abrahamic religions. Do you agree with this?

Both are unprovable,untestable, yet they are FIRMLY held as truths


You only said that. Some biologist are striving on daily bases to disprove those things so as to bag popularity but to no avail. You can say that evolution and big bang are unprovable, untestable all you want, i dont care.

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by johnydon22(m): 2:37pm On Dec 06, 2015
FOLYKAZE:

All this would be put at rest when and only you see big bang something out of nothing theory as mythology.


I am not a big bang theorist but i can rightly tell you the bolded is wrong .. You have never read about the theory.

there is no where it ever asserts NOTHING sir.. Please where did you see it..

Let me go on a scientific discussion on the Big Bang now to correct the naive representation of the theory..


Einstein said: "Religion without science is blind, science without religion is lame"
Says Einstein who had no religion.. Ironic right?

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by menesheh(m): 2:37pm On Dec 06, 2015
ValentineMary:
Smh. Who told u nothing came from nothing? How can u be this ignorant about science Big bang explains that the universe began to expand from a dense hot point. The expansion was due to instability. This expansion released energy into space and it began to expand. After about 130,000 years the first sub atomic parilticle was formed. at least E_MC^2 explains this laat part. Funny enough there is proof of the big bang. Our expanding universe proves that this expansion started from a point. Do more reading bro. Am a student of biochemistry but at least we ought to have basic science knowledge. Thank you.

Are you trying to explain big bang to him, if he is interested to wear off his ignorance, there are pretty much books to cover on that topics to understand it well.

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by FOLYKAZE(m): 2:37pm On Dec 06, 2015
KingEbukasBlog:
@ FOLYKAZE ... I need to be certain about your stance on religion . Are agnostic or religious ?

I am not a religion person. . . .but I dont throw everything religion out of the window. esp, Yoruba traditional religion.

I tend to express Gods as Natural entities. Like Yemoja been Body of water. . .I expressed her as Icy comet in the creation account. Oshun is fresh water while Olokun is Salty water. Jehovah to me is an unexplainable volcanic eruption.
Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by FOLYKAZE(m): 2:47pm On Dec 06, 2015
johnydon22:


I am not a big bang theorist but i can rightly tell you the bolded is wrong .. You have never read about the theory.

there is no where it ever asserts NOTHING sir.. Please where did you see it..

Let me go on a scientific discussion on the Big Bang now to correct the naive representation of the theory..

Can you please read this?

Big Bang Theory - The Premise

The Big Bang theory is an effort to explain what happened at the very beginning of our universe. Discoveries in astronomy and physics have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that our universe did in fact have a beginning. Prior to that moment there was nothing; during and after that moment there was something: our universe.

http://www.big-bang-theory.com/

johnydon22:
Says Einstein who had no religion.. Ironic right?

Einstein was a pantheist.
Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by johnydon22(m): 2:58pm On Dec 06, 2015
FOLYKAZE:


Can you please read this?
I just did and the fact is that you didn't read it. Because if you do you would have seen it proposed a Singularity.

The site you brought up is a quite basic, i would have preferred you read more about the theory sir because misrepresenting what one doesn't really know doesn't make sense.

Big Bang doesn't propose NOTHING..

It proposes an Energy SINGULARITY.. hot, dense that underwent a rapid inflation then expansion which brought about Space/time and subatomic and atomic particles (matter)

I am not a big bang theorist but at least i do not need to misrepresent the theory in order to employ baseless ridicule based on ignorance ..

And secondly Big Bang theory has nothing to do with someone being an atheist



Einstein was a pantheist.


Bull eye!!!

I will like you to answer this: How do you think the universe came to be?

Just tell me what you personally think

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by FOLYKAZE(m): 3:03pm On Dec 06, 2015
johnydon22:


I read through this thread, you are not really arguing here.. Just making sassy childish remarks, picking on menesheh and making jest.. Its quite demeaning and childish.

I was johnny walking on a free sunday. . .not here for argument but did found a spot of fun.

Vooks and winners slaughtering menesheh.

It fun not to be enjoyed within a little timeframe but had to call out Godless fellas so as to prolong the fun.

johnydon22:
Now You claim to be an atheist but a spiritual one, pray tell sir.. what is your own stance on causality.. ?

Lets see how well your own stance on causality is placed

For something to exist, something will surely cause it.
Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by vooks: 3:04pm On Dec 06, 2015
menesheh:


What and what are the pseudoscience. As naive as you are and me too about evolution and big bang, we don't have the expertise to call evolution and big bang a pseudoscience. Even if we should, scientific community that have the expertise don't see it as a pseudoscience.
If you see any flaw that disprove evolution, you're a celeb already.
Pseudoscience is false science cheesy
Thank me later for adding a new vocabulary to your arsenal.

You only said that. Some biologist are striving on daily bases to disprove those things so as to bag popularity but to no avail. You can say that evolution and big bang are unprovable, untestable all you want, i dont care.
I don't care whether you care sir.
What is the difference between Big Bang,evolution and any creation narrative?

Walk me through the difference(s)

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by johnydon22(m): 3:07pm On Dec 06, 2015
FOLYKAZE:


I was johnny walking on a free sunday. . .not here for argument but did found a spot of fun.

Vooks and winners slaughtering menesheh.

It fun not to be enjoyed within a little timeframe but had to call out Godless fellas so as to prolong the fun.


To me what you were doing on the thread was quite childish... If you didn't want to argue at least picking on someone should not be a resort to catch fun..


For something to exist, something will surely cause it.


Exactly .. tho the bolded is not necessary true ..

The question is " what did?"

And remember that going by this your above assertion, that thing that caused something must also have been caused by another which in turn requires another right?

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:08pm On Dec 06, 2015
The atheist crew is here . All I foresee is fun
Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:11pm On Dec 06, 2015
johnydon22:

And remember that going by this your above assertion, that thing that caused something must also have been caused by another which in turn requires another right?


God is an uncaused cause . Any rebuttals ?
Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:11pm On Dec 06, 2015
johnydon22:

And remember that going by this your above assertion, that thing that caused something must also have been caused by another which in turn requires another right?


God is an uncaused cause . Any rebuttals ? ..
Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by menesheh(m): 3:11pm On Dec 06, 2015
johnydon22:


I read through this thread, you are not really arguing here.. Just making sassy childish remarks, picking on menesheh and making jest.. Its quite demeaning and childish.

Now You claim to be an atheist but a spiritual one, pray tell sir.. what is your own stance on causality.. ?

Lets see how well your own statnce on causality is placed

He is displaying his confusion.
Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by ValentineMary(m): 3:11pm On Dec 06, 2015
menesheh:


Are you trying to explain big bang to him, if he is interested to wear off his ignorance, there are pretty much books to cover on that topics to understand it well.
I have realised that many of these religious fanatics can believe anything just to defend their imaginary friend. The other day sone guys said that stoning of women who were not virgins when married was right. They did this just to try to prove that the bible is right.
Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by johnydon22(m): 3:12pm On Dec 06, 2015
KingEbukasBlog:

God is an uncaused cause . Any rebuttals ?

What is God?

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:12pm On Dec 06, 2015
johnydon22:


I am not a big bang theorist but i can rightly tell you the bolded is wrong .. You have never read about the theory.

there is no where it ever asserts NOTHING sir.. Please where did you see it..

Let me go on a scientific discussion on the Big Bang now to correct the naive representation of the theory..

SO why are you not a Big Bang theorist ?
Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:13pm On Dec 06, 2015
johnydon22:


What is God?

Three uncaused entities/beings who exist as one ?
Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by menesheh(m): 3:15pm On Dec 06, 2015
ValentineMary:
I have realised that many of these religious fanatics can believe anything just to defend their imaginary friend. The other day sone guys said that stoning of women who were not virgins when married was right. They did this just to try to prove that the bible is right.

They are bunch of morally derailed peeps who can't objectively look at things.
Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by johnydon22(m): 3:16pm On Dec 06, 2015
KingEbukasBlog:


Three uncaused entities/beings who exist as one ?
Ok God is a complex entity/entities intelligent enough to create the universe.

But yet such complex conscious beings don't require a designer and creator.. Haven't you shown us that complexity doesn't require a designer?

Then why then must the universe be caused and require a designer in order to exhibit a complex nature... ?

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:16pm On Dec 06, 2015
menesheh:


They are bunch of morally derailed peeps who can objectively look at things.

Idiot

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by menesheh(m): 3:18pm On Dec 06, 2015
vooks:

Pseudoscience is false science cheesy
Thank me later for adding a new vocabulary to your arsenal.


I don't care whether you care sir.
What is the difference between Big Bang,evolution and any creation narrative?

Walk me through the difference(s)


What's this guy even talking about.

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by johnydon22(m): 3:18pm On Dec 06, 2015
KingEbukasBlog:


Idiot
what is wrong with you Ebuka... am sure he didn't mention you... why the insult and aggressiveness..

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:21pm On Dec 06, 2015
johnydon22:
Ok God is a complex entity/entities intelligent enough to create the universe.

But yet such complex conscious beings don't require a designer and creator.. Haven't you shown us that complexity doesn't require a designer?

Then why then must the universe be caused and require a designer in order to exhibit a complex nature... ?

Then can you show or prove that it does not require a designer . God is uncaused and a designer - those are his qualities . Is the universe uncaused ? What are the qualities of the universe that gives it that propensity to create itself from nothing , create life and then intelligence in humans ?
Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by vooks: 3:21pm On Dec 06, 2015
ValentineMary:
Smh. Who told u nothing came from nothing? How can u be this ignorant about science Big bang explains that the universe began to expand from a dense hot point. The expansion was due to instability. This expansion released energy into space and it began to expand. After about 130,000 years the first sub atomic parilticle was formed. at least E_MC^2 explains this laat part. Funny enough there is proof of the big bang. Our expanding universe proves that this expansion started from a point. Do more reading bro. Am a student of biochemistry but at least we ought to have basic science knowledge. Thank you.

Why do people make a hobby out of displaying their ignorance?

A 'hot point'?
So, what else was there besides the 'hot point'? Vacuum,space, other cold points?


Inflation is another hypothesis invented to explain away the horizon problem. What is the Horizon Problem? Scientists were shocked to discover that the temperature of the entire universe is EVEN. Now, if he beginning of everything was a 'hot point', then heat must have dissipated in all directions in from there to evenly warm our universe.

Heat like everything else travels at a maximum speed of light. So if Big Bang is true, we can measure the size of the universe assuming your 'hot point' was in the middle of the nothing. How so? If we know WHEN this 'hot point' happened (13B years ago) and we know the maximum speed of heat dissipation, we multiply the speed by time to get the radius/diameter of the universe! Assuming we get a radius of XYZ

Where does inflation come in all this?
Because we have observed stars that are further from our galaxy by more than XYZ contrary to the predictions of Big Bang and your 'hot point'. So it's either some stuff can travel faster than light explaining how heat from Big Bang got that far or, those distant stars were once near and since Big Bang they have been moving away AFTER heat dissipation.

Inflation theory in short was invented to spin away why empirical observations contradicted Big Bang.

Meditate on this and then I will teach you on why inflation is EQUALLY if not more ret@rded

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by ValentineMary(m): 3:22pm On Dec 06, 2015
KingEbukasBlog:


Three uncaused entities/beings who exist as one ?
That is a funny story. If we begin to look in the bible, about ur trinity theory, it even contradicts itself.
Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by vooks: 3:24pm On Dec 06, 2015
menesheh:



What's this guy even talking about.
Pay me to give you a crash course on comprehension classes. You badly need them

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:25pm On Dec 06, 2015
johnydon22:
what is wrong with you Ebuka... am sure he didn't mention you... why the insult and aggressiveness..

His comment is :

[size=15pt]They are bunch of morally derailed peeps who can't objectively look at things.[/size]

I find that derogatory and insulting ... If we are morally derailed peeps who can't objectively at look things , then he is an idiot . He sees us as that and I see him as an idiot . Its quite simple though smiley

So why didnt you call him to order after he described religious people as "morally derailed peeps " . Are you not been sanctimonious and hypocritical at the same time ? cool

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Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by ValentineMary(m): 3:27pm On Dec 06, 2015
vooks:


Why do people make a hobby out of displaying their ignorance?

A 'hot point'?
So, what else was there besides the 'hot point'? Vacuum,space, other cold points?


Inflation is another hypothesis invented to explain away the horizon problem. What is the Horizon Problem? Scientists were shocked to discover that the temperature of the entire universe is EVEN. Now, if he beginning of everything was a 'hot point', then heat must have dissipated in all directions in from there to evenly warm our universe.

Heat like everything else travels at a maximum speed of light. So if Big Bang is true, we can measure the size of the universe assuming your 'hot point' was in the middle of the nothing. How so? If we know WHEN this 'hot point' happened (13B years ago) and we know the maximum speed of heat dissipation, we multiply the speed by time to get the radius/diameter of the universe! Assuming we get a radius of XYZ

Where does inflation come in all this?
Because we have observed stars that are further from our galaxy by more than XYZ contrary to the predictions of Big Bang and your 'hot point'. So it's either some stuff can travel faster than light explaining how heat from Big Bang got that far or, those distant stars were once near and since Big Bang they have been moving away AFTER heat dissipation.

Inflation theory in short was invented to spin away why empirical observations contradicted Big Bang.

Meditate on this and then I will teach you on why inflation is EQUALLY if not more ret@rded
Have u been following modern trends in physics I don't think so. Modern research has shown that it was not only 1 hot point but multiple dense hot points. Each dense hot point gave birth to the universe. How can u then explain red shift and blue shift which has been observed if u think big bang is a myth
Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:28pm On Dec 06, 2015
ValentineMary:
That is a funny story. If we begin to look in the bible, about ur trinity theory, it even contradicts itself.

I dont subscribe to Arianism and the bible does not insinuate that - if that's the case you want to table

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