elampiro:


Players go in and out of from. Sometimes wrong choice of club prematurely terminates a player's potentials. Again Paulinho was never one of my top choices. I never called Paulinho when our stransfer options were fresh, only when they vanished.

Wrong choice of club can be said for de bruyne's chelsea or Robben in Madrid because they later proved themselves at other clubs

Where is Paulinho proving himself now sef

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Look at the circumstances I said these words. It was reported Thiago refused us, so I thought we should just forget him. I even called him Thiago Lacasera because I was angry the way it was reported he snubbed us like Shit. It was much later they said we didn't even go for him, that we had our sight on Fabregas from the onset.

raumdeuter:


Wrong choice of club can be said for de bruyne's chelsea or Robben in Madrid because they later proved themselves at other clubs

Where is Paulinho proving himself now sef

Wrong choice of club ruined many players, although some were able to turn it around.

elampiro:


Wrong choice of club ruined many players, although some were able to turn it around.

If a player went to a wrong club then he later leaves and is still bad that means the problem wasn't the club in the first place rather the estimation of the player was faulty from the beginning

Like last year now people would be saying man utd ruined Falcao yet he has proven that he's past it with chelsea

Give examples of players ruined permanently by club.

Look again at a winning team. Slow midfield but fast and physical full backs and wingers. We are looking at the right blend between technicality, speed and physicality.

Put Xavi and Fabregas in the midst of Darmian, Blind, Lingard, they team will remain stagnant because every team needs a blend. Some players should be able to carry the ball 40 yards forward.

raumdeuter:


If a player went to a wrong club then he later leaves and is still bad that means the problem wasn't the club in the first place rather the estimation of the player was faulty from the beginning

Like last year now people would be saying man utd ruined Falcao yet he has proven that he's past it with chelsea

Give examples of players ruined permanently by club.

Wilfred Zaha.
Fernando Torres
Chevchenko
Kezman
Robinho
There was a certain Hulk who was being praised then he changed club and that was the end.

A few dig-ups & Elampiro has been found out as usual...

Paulinho over Thiago??

Elampiro - with this your insatiable appetite for power & strength , I'm beginning to think you are either a wrestler or weightlifter in the real world.

elampiro:

Wilfred Zaha.
Fernando Torres
Chevchenko
Kezman
Robinho
There was a certain Hulk who was being praised then he changed club and that was the end.

Whats the evidence Zaha was ever goodto match the hype?

Torres was showing signs towards the end of his stay at Liverpool, by the time he got to Chelsea he was finished and the same carried over to Milan and noww Atletico

Shevchenko was a tired old man chelsea bought at 31.

Robinho was overhyped, and he wasnt good at any European club he went to whether Madrid, City or Milan

Just like Michu who was a flash in the pan in his first season by second season at Swansea his initial hype wore off and the real Michu showed

Assuming A maga club bought Michu after the first Swansea season you would claim the new club ruined Michu. Michu left Swansea went to Napoli he was useless now he is playing in lower tiers of Spain

Were is Paulinho now who 2 yrs ago you swore he was ready to dominate Europe. Do you remember what I told you then?

Dadehmola:


A few dig-ups & Elampiro has been found out as usual...

Paulinho over Thiago??

Elampiro - with this your insatiable appetite for power & strength , I'm beginning to think you are either a wrestler or weightlifter in the real world.

Paulinho was misused. He was supposed to be used as a DM but on his arrival we saw him missing chances in front of goal. Then there was a change of coach at Tottenham. Just imagine if after few weeks Mikel arrived at Chelsea, Mourinho had to leave.

elampiro:


Paulinho was misused. He was supposed to be used as a DM but on his arrival we saw him missing chances in front of goal. Then there was a change of coach at Tottenham. Just imagine if after few weeks Mikel arrived at Chelsea, Mourinho had to leave.

Paulinho was so misused that no other EPl team wanted him, No other team in the whole of Europe wanted him.

Did they drink his blood?

When you saw Paulinho and was creaming yourself over him he wasnt even playing DM for Brazil because Luis Gustavo was their DM

elampiro:

That year when I mentioned Neymar to be a world super star, I was attacked.
I mentioned Paulinho only after all our options thinned out. At the end, we all reluctantly supported Fellaini.
Which team has a physical midfield these days? If there are real good physical midfielders like Owen Hargreaves and Roy Kean they would rule.

I didn't even see this on time..

How can this be when you had already started the "Bring Paulinho In" propaganda 5 weeks to the end of the transfer window??

Remember my post to you when you were praising Paulinho?

dayokanu:


WHo cares if its a 70yr old that would solve Man Utd problem.

My issue is you calling a 25yr old a young player? At his age he should already be at his peak. Thiago has been ready for a while but he has a legend in front of him called Xavi. Thiago at 80% of clubs would run their midfield.

Paulinho lets see how he fares at Spurs. How many players have been icons in South America and flopped massively in Europe.

Europe is still waiting for Robinho, Pato to dazzle, How did Kleberson at Man Utd, Denilson (Arsenal and that of Betis) fare

Was that not the same way Kleberson dazzled at the world cup for Brazil before flopping massively for the same Man Utd

Does that sound familiar? Can we now add Paulinho to the list of Brazilians who flopped in Europe joining Kleberson, Robinho, Pato, Denilson 1 and 2.

raumdeuter:


Whats the evidence Zaha was ever goodto match the hype?

Torres was showing signs towards the end of his stay at Liverpool, by the time he got to Chelsea he was finished and the same carried over to Milan and noww Atletico

Shevchenko was a tired old man chelsea bought at 31.

Robinho was overhyped, and he wasnt good at any European club he went to whether Madrid, City or Milan

Just like Michu who was a flash in the pan in his first season by second season at Swansea his initial hype wore off and the real Michu showed

Assuming A maga club bought Michu after the first Swansea season you would claim the new club ruined Michu. Michu left Swansea went to Napoli he was useless now he is playing in lower tiers of Spain

All these are unnecessary excuses. Zaha didn't live up. He was to be the next Ronaldo at Old Trafford. SAF bought him far ahead of the transfer window.

Torres was no near finish at Liverpool. He was one of the best strikers in the world. He could take on two defenders to score. All of that disappeared the moment he got to Chelsea.

Overhypping doesn't count here because we are looking at players who met their ruin at a new club. Robinho, Chevchenko, Kezman were even worse than Paulinho considering the amount involved and the fact they were already used to life in Europe.

Dadehmola:


I didn't even see this on time..

How can this be when you had already started the "Bring Paulinho In" propaganda 5 weeks to the end of the transfer window??

That was because that season, the transfer market was scarce of midfielders. Options thined out fast.

elampiro:


Paulinho was misused. He was supposed to be used as a DM but on his arrival we saw him missing chances in front of goal. Then there was a change of coach at Tottenham. Just imagine if after few weeks Mikel arrived at Chelsea, Mourinho had to leave.

That's because he wanted to form "I-sabi-play-box-to-box" & he failed woefully.

Paulinho wasn't misused sir - he just wasn't good enough.

Dadehmola:


That's because he wanted to form "I-sabi-play-box-to-box" & he failed woefully.

Paulinho wasn't misused sir - he just wasn't good enough.

He wasn't used as a DM. He did not also start badly, it's just that along the line the new coach was experimenting with new things.

raumdeuter:
Remember my post to you when you were praising Paulinho?



Does that sound familiar? Can we now add Paulinho to the list of Brazilians who flopped in Europe joining Kleberson, Robinho, Pato, Denilson 1 and 2.

Paulinho can still turn it around. But I don't know why Scolari had to pen him down 5 years in China.

I'll be back later tonight. I dey go out jor.

This week na fasting and prayers for our team to qualify. Desert things on my mind.

raumdeuter:
Remember my post to you when you were praising Paulinho?



Does that sound familiar? Can we now add Paulinho to the list of Brazilians who flopped in Europe joining Kleberson, Robinho, Pato, Denilson 1 and 2.

And you forgot Neymar. I was the only one who confidently banked on Neymar to shine like a million stars.

SIRcumalot:

I like Nani and yes he was great once but not dependable at all.
If Memphis actually performed to standard this would've really been a scary team to face their is still time though.
All memorable LVG teams I can remember have that maverick winger am talking Figo and robben.
The only players LVG canned wey vexed me na Maria and to some extent Rafeal.

If Memphis can be anywhere near Nani at his best, then we'll be lucky.

Newcastle leading liverpool by a goal to nil... Win some lose some Epl madness.

mtcheeewwww... lubbish what's the hype about LFC when they can't beat an abysmal Newcastle side

elampiro:


He wasn't used as a DM. He did not also start badly, it's just that along the line the new coach was experimenting with new things.

He isn't a defensive midfielder. Gustavo is the defensive midfielder in Brazil when Paulinho played

chidexxy007:
mtcheeewwww... lubbish
what's the hype about LFC when they can't beat an abysmal Newcastle side

Hopefully the Klopp/Liverpool love in can calm down a bit.

elampiro:


All these are unnecessary excuses. Zaha didn't live up. He was to be the next Ronaldo at Old Trafford. SAF bought him far ahead of the transfer window.

Torres was no near finish at Liverpool. He was one of the best strikers in the world. He could take on two defenders to score. All of that disappeared the moment he got to Chelsea.

Overhypping doesn't count here because we are looking at players who met their ruin at a new club. Robinho, Chevchenko, Kezman were even worse than Paulinho considering the amount involved and the fact they were already used to life in Europe.

Where did Zaha deliver before coming to man utd

Torres was finished before he came to chelsea you are mistaking the Torres of 08 with Torres of 2010

Sheva was old before going to chelsea

It's like the age van persie went to Fenerbahce

MrTA:

Hopefully the Klopp/Liverpool love in can calm down a bit.

Yes oo.. To think Newcastle even kept a clean sheet makes the matter worse.

chidexxy007:
mtcheeewwww... lubbish
what's the hype about LFC when they can't beat an abysmal Newcastle side

lol. Klopp is welcomed to EPL. This season is full of drama.


Knew they would struggle to win without Coutinho though

Newcastle did it for world peace

raumdeuter:


He isn't a defensive midfielder. Gustavo is the defensive midfielder in Brazil when Paulinho played

I really don't get Elampiro's argument..

If Paulinho was supposed to be a DM, why did the comparisons/preferences for him over Thiago/ Fabregas come in that year?? Are those ones DMs??

Elampiro, you are confused. Your attempts to wriggle free from your earlier predictions (which turned out to be wrong) seems to be worsening your confused state.

chrisley024:
lol. Klopp is welcomed to EPL. This season is full of drama.


Knew they would struggle to win without Coutinho though

Reality check... nice one Newcastle

raumdeuter:


He isn't a defensive midfielder. Gustavo is the defensive midfielder in Brazil when Paulinho played

OK.

That Brazil midfield in the Confab was very good. I didn't monitor their roles properly but the way dismantled everything that came their way including Spain, was magnificent. I think William was also in that team. They made every opposition look ordinary. Neymar was master class, reduced Pique and Ramos to Dundee United players.