malvisguy212:
There are many questions scientists can not clarified, questions like : If the current universe came about through
the Big Bang, what caused the Big Bang?
If the Big Bang was caused by a Big
Crunch, what caused the Big Crunch, and where did all the matter that is
contracting and expanding come from? Science does not have natural explanation regarding this questions.

One thing for sure I can say, is that As far as science has determined, material events have material causes. It seems more likely, then, that an uncaused cause would not be material, but rather immaterial.

God does answer some questions which aren't answered by scientific explanations. Positing an immaterial, powerful being as an uncaused cause explains how the physical universe could have come to exist without relying on the existence of matter in some prior universe.

menesheh:



I will repeat this, i don't know the meaning of big bang.

All i care is that no body should worship anything wether big bang or come from nothing or designerr.

johnydon22:
And you gave an example with an inanimate analogy.. you couldn't give example with one biological cell right.?

Lets say the acon fruit or a corn. . . . When referring to biological processes give example with biological cells..

Reproduction the much i know it can be either asexual or sexual, it still arrives at that same point i proposed which is interactions of simpler values which leads to a resulting value

Hahahaha but a flower didn't decide to be, it was just a result of the interacting elements.You didn't decide to be a male, the result came about because of the interactions of (Y) chromosome on the (X)…… It is simply the output of an interaction ..

That you have no idea how something came to be doesn't mean you should assume a creator..

For such assertions you must provide empirical back up or your claim remains a hypothetical speculation.

Planets are round, this doesn't mean they were moulded...

Until such knowledge is empirically ascertained, i see no reason why i should throw in an assumption.

I wasn't there, no need to claim i know or bring on an explanation of something i have no idea of.

Star cores: Nuclear fusion produces Helium from fusion of hydrogen atoms ..

Hydrogen + hydrogen -----> Helium.. Helium + Helium ---> heavier elements ( Oxygen, iron etc)

I am insinuating protons and electrons of an element are no different from the elements because that is what makes up an element..


H20 is water..

quarks , subatomic ,atomic particles. . . and so goes for every matter not just gases..

It is simply a result of the reacting value within the intersecting subject.. Anymore assumptions you heap on it is of your own making. [/i][/b]

dalaman:


Your God is an idea the ancient Jewish and Romans created. He lives only in the pages of stories they wrote about him.

johnydon22:
I think you confuse yourself between two distinct positions..

Me last i checked i have shown my stance on causality is "I don't know" until it is established empirically

johnydon22:
Nope not at all.. there have been many cosmological models to explain that which of course are all hypothetical and so must be treated as one.
-Quantum fluctuation
-Energy as an internal value (Energy and matter are relative)
-Multiverse
etc...
But that part takes you into the field of quantum mechanics. . . .

johnydon22:


One mistake you guys do with science is that most of you tend to treat scientific postulations as an immutable dogmatized assertion.

Science is a method of consistent study and systematic deductions in order to reach a truthful approximation and there is no time it asserts to have reached absolute truth because it recognizes chances of being wrong..

johnydon22:


Stereotypes can only make fallacious representations... I am positive most people differ in their stance on causality..

johnydon22:


I am sure you need to start representing a value as it is and stop stereotypes. .

johnydon22:


Nope understand my assertion.. I was referring to Quantum fluctuation in relation to Big bang theory not independently..

johnydon22:


Seriously for goodness sake i was simply teaching you the actual propositions of the big bang theory.

when will you people learn that teaching someone what a theory says is not same as believing it ..

am sure i started by stating am not a Big Bang theorist but you go ahead and make the same mistake.

johnydon22:
[b][i] A never ending chain of events (Causality)

FOLYKAZE:


Vooks, winners01, kingebukasblog. Make una come see o. My nigggggga changing tone. I dont know what big bang is.


Menesheh, I assume the problem you have with God is because people tend to worship it. Am I right here?


Now how do you define worship? Worship simply means acknowledging the worth of something or someone.

You worship a lot of things even without you knowing. This does not make thoses things non-existent.

dalaman:


This one has left atheism to embrace yoruba religion, good for you.

dalaman:

When did Eleduamare create the universe and how?

dalaman:

Why did he create 8 planets in our solar system with other planetary bodies

dalaman:

and for what purpose?

FOLYKAZE:


Vooks, winners01, kingebukasblog. Make una come see o. My nigggggga changing tone. I dont know what big bang is.


Menesheh, I assume the problem you have with God is because people tend to worship it. Am I right here?


Now how do you define worship? Worship simply means acknowledging the worth of something or someone.

You worship a lot of things even without you knowing. This does not make thoses things non-existent.

KingEbukasBlog:


. His own thread turned against him . Irony is not my strong suit but isn't it ironical that he created the thread to mock the religious view of the genesis of the universe but the outcome of his efforts mocks his silly ideologies

KingEbukasBlog:

Let me bring this home to you . Have you been to a factory ? Let's say a bottling company ? Or any company where production is automated .

You are not answering the question . In simpler terms , how did reproduction come out in life forms if NO DESIGNER made it that way

And you dont see an input-output relationship or an interactive system as a design ? A big LOL bro

Wrong assertion . I dont know how micro chips are produced or even designed , so I should assume an intelligent mind is behind its production?

Do you need proof that your television was manufactured by a company that deals in electronics ?

You are implying a wrong proposition - that all round things are moulded .

Again , admitting a designer orchestrated the nature of natural processes is not foolish !

You are lying to yourself here . You dont know or claim to know but you are sure a creator is not responsible and you go ahead and ridicule people who are sure a creator is responsible for life or the nature of the universe .

The question was if these properties of elements were derived as a result of random processes i.e the difference between element A and element B is a result of mere random processes ?

menesheh:


You are pushing big bang as if it is the default position of an atheist. As Johnny told you that there are theists who believe in big bang so there are atheists who believe in big bang. He goes further to tell you that the propounder of the theory is a creationist.

You continued repeating same thing over and over again.


Worship is totalitarian north Korean regime. Why would a god demand worship from you. Is he not morally and ethnically alright?

An absolute evil king who can kill when deems, command his minions to bow down to him in order for them to receive favour. This 21st century, we ain't going to stone totalitarian regime. We are civilized age more than ever before human started recording events.

Worship is not a good thing. How can you possibly justify worship to supposedly be a good thing to hold on to.

menesheh:


You are pushing big bang as if it is the default position of an atheist. As Johnny told you that there are theists who believe in big bang so there are atheists who believe in big bang. He goes further to tell you that the propounder of the theory is a creationist.

menesheh:

You continued repeating same thing over and over again.


Worship is totalitarian north Korean regime.

menesheh:

Why would a god demand worship from you. Is he not morally and ethnically alright?

menesheh:

An absolute evil king who can kill when deems, command his minions to bow down to him in order for them to receive favour. This 21st century, we ain't going to stone totalitarian regime. We are civilized age more than ever before human started recording events.

menesheh:

Worship is not a good thing. How can you possibly justify worship to supposedly be a good thing to hold on to.

FOLYKAZE:


I asked you to explain how the singularity magically appeared and this was your reply:




You choosed some model to explain. . . . .

Explaining your point with these models proves that:

1. You are beyond belief. You are admitting that the models are fatual

2. Explaining a model, which you have accepted as a knowledge is a justified belief.

3. This belief is nothing different religion belief. You only sugarcoat yours as model and cover it with scientific veils.

Are you now admitting that Big bang, quatum fluntuation and M string is wrong?

Why bringing your scientific myth into this discussion? To save face?

Mojority of atheists view the world materially and will explain it origin materially employing big bang theory

I see no reason you have to give the same measure for religion. Not everything they accounted for is myth.

Still only possible in paper and not in reality.

I didnt ask you to teach me. I asked you to explain the magical appearance of the Cosmos singularity which you did wih a fallacious model which cannot be substantiated in reality.

Eleduamare is infinite possibilities. So Yes

KingEbukasBlog:


Questioning worship has been the weakest argument the atheists always bring up . Worship is simply acknowledgment . And how is it your problem or a problem that God wants worship or acknowledgement ?

menesheh:


You are pushing big bang as if it is the default position of an atheist. As Johnny told you that there are theists who believe in big bang so there are atheists who believe in big bang. He goes further to tell you that the propounder of the theory is a creationist.

You continued repeating same thing over and over again.


Worship is totalitarian north Korean regime. Why would a god demand worship from you. Is he not morally and ethnically alright?

An absolute evil king who can kill when deems, command his minions to bow down to him in order for them to receive favour. This 21st century, we ain't going to stone totalitarian regime. We are civilized age more than ever before human started recording events.

Worship is not a good thing. How can you possibly justify worship to supposedly be a good thing to hold on to.

johnydon22:


Still fails to grasp the simple concept of a biological metabolism. . . An automated machine never replicates the material rather it utilizes the ones available

Biological cells in contact exchanges impulse to get a result .. [/i][/b]

I answered simply that reproduction is a resulting action in interactions of organism.. so it came about due to the metabolical tendency of a biological cells to replicate.

I think the joke is on you.. Sand dunes are results from an interaction between wind and matter, not an invisible artist..

Still falls back to the components of a micro-chip, if a micro-chip is a self replicating value and is determines to be a product of biological interactions.

So biological cells are not inanimate micro-chips?

Why not use an amoeba.. you don't know how an amoeba came to be then something designed it.. [/i][/b]

The inanimate representation ... #Sighs

exactly now you have arrived.

well hope you can now apply that to yours which i represented it with..everything must have been designed..

[b][i]Excluding this designer from causality is special pleading.

There is a difference between filling a gap with assumptions and attendant behaviours than admitting one doesn't know.

I have never seen where asking for empirical substantiation for a hypothesis becomes a ridicule..

Difference in interacting values produces different result.. that is why there is no two you in this planet..

FOLYKAZE:


See bro. . . . .

I am really enjoying this program Afternoon of a thousand laugh

johnydon22:


Am sure i asserted this there have been many cosmological models to explain that which of course are all hypothetical and so must be treated as one.

what ever you make off a hypothetical postulation a product of your own confusion..

You asked how the big bang theory did not assert nothing, and i gave you many scientific hypothesis on that not Johnydon22's..

Learn the difference between teaching you what a theory says in actuality and believing it

johnydon22:


Oh meen you really lack basis comprehension.. I was simply teaching you that quantum fluctuation as a cause of big bang is a hypothetical postulstion..

I wonder how you understand simple things.

johnydon22:


It is obvious this has gone into an emotional word batter instead of simple teaching..

Am done with it..


so Big Bang becomes an atheistic theory?

johnydon22:


Alright then..



which of them?

johnydon22:


I gave you hypothetical postulations which i told you were hypothetical and shouldn't be taken as truths but treated as hypothesis.

Where ever your confusion over it comes from, i wouldn't know..

johnydon22:


Good then

vooks:

I have no problem with scientific theorizing, it is when theories including the hopelessly ridiculous ones are propped as facts that they cross the line hence my term pseudoscience. In this regard, they are as mythical as anything else.

Presently it takes more faith to believe in evolution than Genesis.

How is evolution related to Big Bang? Evolution is an attempt to explain a godless origin of life. It concerns itself with a presumption that matter existed somewhat. So an evolutionist will chide a creationist for presuming an intelligent Uncaused Cause but throws tantrum when we tear their presumptions apart?

The evolutionist runs to Big Bang. But this creates more problems for him as Big Bang is closer to religious dogma than science.

Menesheh now is distancing himself from Big Bang and evolution. He ought to give us a better alternative to Intelligent Design evidenced by Design.

If he can't, he should hold his peace and wallow in his standard retort, 'I don't know'

But even this escapist 'I don't know' is clearly nonsensical. As I have proved, ignorance does not stop you from ELIMINATING thre most improbable suggestions.

Another example will suffice
While I DON'T KNOW Menesheh age', I would instantly rule out the idea that he is a weeks young toddler still suckling because I KNOW what toddlers can and can't

KingEbukasBlog:


So something came from nothing then . Yh right ?

dalaman:


Your own making. I have never said something came from nothing. What is/are responsible for the universe no one knows. We have how your own God said he created the earth before the sun. A mythical narrative you have discarded and refused to accept.

FOLYKAZE:


Yoruba spiritualism gives room for atheism, non-theism just like buddhism.

You do not necessarily have to belief in those Gods and no one is threatening you to.

You can only have the go if you observed you are favour or choose not to. That is your palava.

Obatala the chief of white cloth which represent light created the universe after been ordained to do by Eledumare.

We do not really know because the account is silent on this.

No purpose really. The account stated that Eleduamre does not interfare in human or earth affair

menesheh:

Doubt is a healthy way to making sure that you are not biased and deluded in your conclusion.

menesheh:


You still fail to demonstrate that such designer exists first b4 attributing anything to the designer. It is just postulations from a book out of many similar books without any mechanism to investigate such designer.

menesheh:

You are right but you gats wait until we discover such existence. You don't have to first presuppose and start believing such existence when it have not be proven to exist beyond reasonable doubt.

menesheh:

Demonstrate the existence of such sky fairy first.

menesheh:

Truth dont fear criticism. Infact, the more you criticize truth, the more it shines.

menesheh:

Opposite is the case with Christainity. They fear criticism..

menesheh:

The more atheists uproot the flaws of christainity, the more believers become agnostic on their own.

vooks:

Like I said, admission of ignorance is a welcome move, but does ignorance mean proclivity to the most ludicrous theories?

winner01:
Crap!!, crittical examination is a healthy way, not doubt.

Post a picture of the human mind as proof of its existence
Make sense man, We dont wait for existence, we build on existence. All that is left for you to discover has pre-existed.

dalaman:


I do not subscribe to any theory that has not been demonstrated to be factual. Your argument here on this thread has not been that the creation account you believe that is written inside the bible is factual and non mythical, but it seems all your argument is that the BB and evolution are equally false, I have nothing to say to that, but how does the BB and evolution being false substantiate the mythical narrative of the bible that talks about some imaginary God concept creating the earth before creating the sun and the stars?

menesheh:


All i care is that no body should worship anything wether big bang or come from nothing or designerr.

dalaman:


This one has left atheism to embrace yoruba religion, good for you. When did Eleduamare create the universe and how? Why did he create 8 planets in our solar system with other planetary bodies and for what purpose?

vooks:

It does not 'substantiate' the 'mythical narrative'.

Now, walk with me.
Is there a remote chance that this Subaru erupted from a volcano, or any other random process?

winner01:
You enjoy asking questions but you've never answered one.
not sensibly at least.

KingEbukasBlog:

And how is it your problem or a problem that God wants worship or acknowledgement ?

dalaman:


Surprisingly it is you that hold unto such a belief because your beliefs is something close to that, that the irony escapes you is what I find amazing.