Today i was reading oyo empire the yoruba guy tried to denounce any northern influence including the introduction horses as cavalry.. he made a big lie vy saying oyo was the most political important state in west africa in 17 to18 century..which is a lie. .. the sokoto caliphate was the most important... Another lie which he says hausa kanuri and nupe slaves were soldiers in oyo which is a lie.. where did you get hausa slaves you local champions.. if anything is the other way round.. yoruba slaves are all over sokoto caliphate,cuba,brazil, etc.. yoruba are the most enslaved people in the world

Another lie which he spew was oyo state was southern terminus of trans saharan trade.. the only cities in nigeria that participated actively in trans saharan trade where kano,katsina,zaria and borno

You should be banned

For saying the truth

hopelink1:
You should be banned

Op so U still believe in history
.....all Is fake... I rarely believe in little of it

kaura5000:
Today i was reading oyo empire the yoruba guy tried to denounce any northern influence including the introduction horses as cavalry.. he made a big lie vy saying oyo was the most political important state in west africa in 17 to18 century..which is a lie. .. the sokoto caliphate was the most important... Another lie which he says hausa kanuri and nupe slaves were soldiers in oyo which is a lie.. where did you get hausa slaves you local champions.. if anything is the other way round.. yoruba slaves are all over sokoto caliphate,cuba,brazil, etc.. yoruba are the most enslaved people in the world

It is Hausa turn to bash the Yoruba,

it should count for something.

Please remove this thread. Mun fi karfin haka.

op you started off as Hausa, but i guess now you are Fulani.

The Hausas here arent really so active, it's mostly the Fulanis who are.

tpiar:
op you started off as Hausa, but i guess now you are Fulani.

The Hausas here arent really so active, it's mostly the Fulanis who are.

We prefer to watch from a distance.

please mynd44 unban me please i only called ur name where it was needed ma binu oo ejoor

kaura5000:
Today i was reading oyo empire the yoruba guy tried to denounce any northern influence including the introduction horses as cavalry.. he made a big lie vy saying oyo was the most political important state in west africa in 17 to18 century..which is a lie. .. the sokoto caliphate was the most important... Another lie which he says hausa kanuri and nupe slaves were soldiers in oyo which is a lie.. where did you get hausa slaves you local champions.. if anything is the other way round.. yoruba slaves are all over sokoto caliphate,cuba,brazil, etc.. yoruba are the most enslaved people in the world

When did owning slaves become something to be proud of?

kaura5000:
Today i was reading oyo empire the yoruba guy tried to denounce any northern influence including the introduction horses as cavalry.. he made a big lie vy saying oyo was the most political important state in west africa in 17 to18 century..which is a lie. .. the sokoto caliphate was the most important... Another lie which he says hausa kanuri and nupe slaves were soldiers in oyo which is a lie.. where did you get hausa slaves you local champions.. if anything is the other way round.. yoruba slaves are all over sokoto caliphate,cuba,brazil, etc.. yoruba are the most enslaved people in the world

When Oyo started using cavalry there was nothing called Northern Nigeria. Do you agree?

Oyo did not learn cavalry from Northern Nigeria.


Sokoto Caliphate was not an Imperial power in the Sudan. Oyo was an Imperial power that defeated states all the way up to Songhai.... Oyo was feared even by dan Fodio, otherwise why did he stop his conquest in Nupeland, what stopped him from entering Yorubaland with his Jihad campaign?

In the case of Ilorin, fulani could not have defeated Oyo Ile if Yorubas acting on Afonja's leadership had not fought with them. When the Yorubas saw what became of Afonja they crossed camp and fought alongside their Oyo counterparts to route fulani completely out and back across river...drowning many of them and their horses in the process.

Ilorin had no Oba, it was a vacuum. Ilorin was a scholarship center and a satellite town where foreigners were camped. Yoruba therefore did not secure it as a political location. This is why it ended having an Emir.

To buttress my point. Jebba, which is further North of Ilorin had an Oba, that throne continues even as we speak.

It was not bravery of Fulani that sacked Oyo or put your Emir in Ilorin...but rather the carelessness of Afonj and subsequntly the neglect of Ilorin by Yoruba.

If you wete brave and more powerful than Oyo you would also, in addition to, taking jihad to everyone South of Sokoto would not stop when you got to Yorubaland. After the Afonja rebellion if you were not scared of Oyo, after putting a leader in Ilorin you would, just as you did toppling every Hausa State, have toppled every Oba around Ilorin and North of Ilorin to Jebba.



On the issue of slavery. You did not raid our towns for slaves. Yoruba did not sell Yoruba into slavery until intertribal wars between us that led to selling away prisoners of war. Our slaves in America were military men that fought wars. Their sense of leadership and patriotism was very acute....this background contributed to successful uprisings and revolts led by Yorubas in latin America. It also explains why Yoruba was the dominant and surviving culture, amongst all other cultures exported from West Africa most of which are in far greater quantity.


Up until the time of the wars within, and there were many of them, Yorubas sold people of other nationality.


Meanwhile, there are plenty accounts of Fulani, Hausa slaves sold byYorubas to the white man. Even Muhammad Bello became worried and sought help from Livingstone to appease Oyo to please stop selling his people.


If you want to project fulani superiority over other races please go ahead and have fun....but know that Oyo was far more Imperial and formidable than Sokoto Caliphate.

MorrowCaligari:


We prefer to watch from a distance.

More like you are afraid of your masters in tuareg turban.

/

OPCNAIRALAND:


More like you are afraid of your masters in tuareg turban.

Lool! whatever you say.


it will be worthy of note that the dye pits in kano provided the tuaregs and other west africans with their turbans.


but yeah, whatever.

OPCNAIRALAND:


When Oyo started using cavalry there was nothing called Northern Nigeria. Do you agree?

Oyo did not learn cavalry from Northern Nigeria.


Sokoto Caliphate was not an Imperial power in the Sudan. Oyo was an Imperial power that defeated states all the way up to Songhai.... Oyo was feared even by dan Fodio, otherwise why did he stop his conquest in Nupeland, what stopped him from entering Yorubaland with his Jihad campaign?

In the case of Ilorin, fulani could not have defeated Oyo Ile if Yorubas acting on Afonja's leadership had not fought with them. When the Yorubas saw what became of Afonja they crossed camp and fought alongside their Oyo counterparts to route fulani completely out and back across river...drowning many of them and their horses in the process.

Ilorin had no Oba, it was a vacuum. Ilorin was a scholarship center and a satellite town where foreigners were camped. Yoruba therefore did not secure it as a political location. This is why it ended having an Emir.

To buttress my point. Jebba, which is further North of Ilorin had an Oba, that throne continues even as we speak.

It was not bravery of Fulani that sacked Oyo or put your Emir in Ilorin...but rather the carelessness of Afonj and subsequntly the neglect of Ilorin by Yoruba.

If you wete brave and more powerful than Oyo you would also, in addition to, taking jihad to everyone South of Sokoto would not stop when you got to Yorubaland. After the Afonja rebellion if you were not scared of Oyo, after putting a leader in Ilorin you would, just as you did toppling every Hausa State, have toppled every Oba around Ilorin and North of Ilorin to Jebba.



On the issue of slavery. You did not raid our towns for slaves. Yoruba did not sell Yoruba into slavery until intertribal wars between us that led to selling away prisoners of war. Our slaves in America were military men that fought wars. Their sense of leadership and patriotism was very acute....this background contributed to successful uprisings and revolts led by Yorubas in latin America. It also explains why Yoruba was the dominant and surviving culture, amongst all other cultures exported from West Africa most of which are in far greater quantity.


Up until the time of the wars within, and there were many of them, Yorubas sold people of other nationality.


Meanwhile, there are plenty accounts of Fulani, Hausa slaves sold byYorubas to the white man. Even Muhammad Bello became worried and sought help from Livingstone to appease Oyo to please stop selling his people.


If you want to project fulani superiority over other races please go ahead and have fun....but know that Oyo was far more Imperial and formidable than Sokoto Caliphate.

and if I say this foool doesnt know anything about history he'l go about ranting.


but please, opc or gatiano or whatever you choose to call yourself, please go ahead deluding yourself. i will not argue on a baseless topic which should be obvious for anyone with the slightest knowledge of history.

If you compare the oyo empire with katsina (a hausa state), maybe we'll debate that, even though you'll lose but the sokoto empire that encompasses all hausas states? lool! please....


you made some pretty stuupid claims in another thread and took flight when reality dunned on you and you couldnt provide any evidence, now you want your a.ss handed to you agian, well it will be my pleasure.

i am not one to brag or claim superiority but if this is the game you want to play i will show you how truly irrelevant you are you worthless plonker!

MorrowCaligari:


Lool! whatever you say.


it will be worthy of note that the dye pits in kano provided the tuaregs and other west africans with their turbans.


but yeah, whatever.

Its not denied, everybody know that. Hausa dyed clothings and tanned leather were popular as far as Libya and Morrocco.

Only two cultures in this part of West Africa were known for dye industry. Hausa and Yoruba.

OPCNAIRALAND:


Its not denied, everybody know that. Hausa dyed clothings and tanned leather were popular as far as Libya and Morrocco.

Only two cultures in this part of West Africa were known for dye industry. Hausa and Yoruba.

but who dominated the trade? who painted the sahel indigo?

if this is the game you want to play.

MorrowCaligari:


but who dominated the trade? who painted the sahel indigo?

if this is the game you want to play.

You better go and read about adire, batik and tie dye and gain universal knowledge about indigo.

The term Indigo itself is borrowed from Idigo, a Yoruba word meaning to stain.

OPCNAIRALAND:


You better go and read about adire, batik and tie dye and gain universal knowledge about indigo.

The term Indigo itself is borrowed from Idigo, a Yoruba word meaning to stain.

Indigo is a colour bellend!!! But I'm sure you in your infinite ignorance will try to claim English stole it from Yoruba.


Clueless dweeb

OPCNAIRALAND

Indeed, omo yoruba t'okan t'okan niyin.

You slaughtered that bororo pu557 the way a brave OPC would in real life.

History is no easy trade, to (re)-construct history from way back, one has to look for pointers that support or negate the thesis on ground prior.

Everything you said supports the thesis as written by many historians and deflates the revisionist attempt by the bororo.

Their Fulani army couldn't even seize the Offa throne that literally sat in their meal plate.

As far as dying goes - Kano clothes are not only known across West Africa and the Sahara, they were known to be as good, if not better than the ones produced in liverpool BUT keep in mind there were/are no verifiable contact with Hausa and Yoruba of Osogbo whose sole export has been the adire and batik. I do not think one group influenced the other as far as the dying goes.

Show some respect for women, your mother is one.

kaura5000:
Today i was reading oyo empire the yoruba guy tried to denounce any northern influence including the introduction horses as cavalry.. he made a big lie vy saying oyo was the most political important state in west africa in 17 to18 century..which is a lie. .. the sokoto caliphate was the most important... Another lie which he says hausa kanuri and nupe slaves were soldiers in oyo which is a lie.. where did you get hausa slaves you local champions.. if anything is the other way round.. yoruba slaves are all over sokoto caliphate,cuba,brazil, etc.. yoruba are the most enslaved people in the world

Ah! Ethnic sentiments. .I understand but chill. ..if you can


And was sokoto caliphate in existence during the 17th- 18th century? Wasn't it Dan fodio the jihadist who founded it in 1809 and the British defeated it in 1903. Sokoto lasted roughly 100 years. .compare that to Oyo empire - 1400 - 1836

It's generally believed that after the Songhai empire in the late 16th century, oyo rose even more powerful, extending to the Akyem and Ga people of modern Ghana to the West and Niger state to the north and maintaining it's Cultural, political and economic influence till its final collapse and take over by the British

While I wouldn't say Oyo was the most economical and political important empire in west africa, it sure was greater than sokoto from 1809 till it's decline in 1836 due to the independence and later attacks from Ilorin. Ilorin was its military camp, most of Oyo defense and commerce was stationed at Ilorin

Alongside Oyo, Borno was the top empire in west africa in the 17th/18th century, which fell to Rabih Fadlallah in 1893...so what chance did Sokoto have to become the most important empire in west africa? How many years did that last 1893-1903 10 years?


Well, you can delude yourself, it's like the new thing now. But you cannot change the fact that Yorubas kept Hausa, Nupe, Ebira and Fulani as slaves...IMO Oyo had an obsession with slaves, it's people demanded slaves as tribute from their tributary states of Dahomey and Nupe, yorubas also bought slaves from the north and transported them through Ilorin, where most stayed tending to the Alaafin's cavalry.
When Afonja wanted to secede from Oyo, he recruited Many of these slaves..
Yoruba never sold fellow yorubas until very late into the transatlantic slave trade

OPCNAIRALAND:

When Oyo started using cavalry there was nothing called Northern Nigeria. Do you agree?
Oyo did not learn cavalry from Northern Nigeria.
Sokoto Caliphate was not an Imperial power in the Sudan. Oyo was an Imperial power that defeated states all the way up to Songhai.... Oyo was feared even by dan Fodio, otherwise why did he stop his conquest in Nupeland, what stopped him from entering Yorubaland with his Jihad campaign?
In the case of Ilorin, fulani could not have defeated Oyo Ile if Yorubas acting on Afonja's leadership had not fought with them. When the Yorubas saw what became of Afonja they crossed camp and fought alongside their Oyo counterparts to route fulani completely out and back across river...drowning many of them and their horses in the process.
Ilorin had no Oba, it was a vacuum. Ilorin was a scholarship center and a satellite town where foreigners were camped. Yoruba therefore did not secure it as a political location. This is why it ended having an Emir.
To buttress my point. Jebba, which is further North of Ilorin had an Oba, that throne continues even as we speak.
It was not bravery of Fulani that sacked Oyo or put your Emir in Ilorin...but rather the carelessness of Afonj and subsequntly the neglect of Ilorin by Yoruba.
If you wete brave and more powerful than Oyo you would also, in addition to, taking jihad to everyone South of Sokoto would not stop when you got to Yorubaland. After the Afonja rebellion if you were not scared of Oyo, after putting a leader in Ilorin you would, just as you did toppling every Hausa State, have toppled every Oba around Ilorin and North of Ilorin to Jebba.
On the issue of slavery. You did not raid our towns for slaves. Yoruba did not sell Yoruba into slavery until intertribal wars between us that led to selling away prisoners of war. Our slaves in America were military men that fought wars. Their sense of leadership and patriotism was very acute....this background contributed to successful uprisings and revolts led by Yorubas in latin America. It also explains why Yoruba was the dominant and surviving culture, amongst all other cultures exported from West Africa most of which are in far greater quantity.
Up until the time of the wars within, and there were many of them, Yorubas sold people of other nationality.
Meanwhile, there are plenty accounts of Fulani, Hausa slaves sold byYorubas to the white man. Even Muhammad Bello became worried and sought help from Livingstone to appease Oyo to please stop selling his people.
If you want to project fulani superiority over other races please go ahead and have fun....but know that Oyo was far more Imperial and formidable than Sokoto Caliphate.

. This idiot hope you read the battles of Kano with Borno empire? And Kano battles with songhay empire... At the term Europeans came to Nigeria Kano was the largest and most economically important state.. Do you know that sokoto caliphate transcends almost. 5 states.. Cameroon Nigeria Niger Benin etc the reason why sokoto caliphate didn't reach I yo is because of tsetsefly infection if sokoto that conquer states as far as ilorin is not imperial then you think oyo is

kaura5000:
. This idiot hope you read the battles of Kano with Borno empire? And Kano battles with songhay empire... At the term Europeans came to Nigeria Kano was the largest and most economically important state.. Do you know that sokoto caliphate transcends almost. 5 states.. Cameroon Nigeria Niger Benin etc the reason why sokoto caliphate didn't reach I yo is because of tsetsefly infection if sokoto that conquer states as far as ilorin is not imperial then you think oyo is

Brother there is no need arguing on this issue. Just leave people to believe what they want to believe. Mun fi karfin haka.

Before oyo there was existence of independent Hausa states who are more advanced economically militarily than oyo individually as many adventurers and explorers attest to... Have you read Leo Africans. Testimony of his visit to Hausa empire songhay and Borno in the 14th century... I repeat there is never a time in history that oyo is more progressive than Hausa city states.. Economically Hausa city is the southern terminal of trans Saharan trade... Militarily you heard of queen Amina of zazzau expeditions.. The Hausa city states had been using cavalry even before the creation of oyo which terrain doesn't support large cavalry because of tsetse fly infection... Hausa developed system of writing before oyo Hausa introduced indigo in the western Sudan even exporting to Timbuktu... Do you know Kano was the first sultanate to have constitution in the early 14th century written by a the great North African scholar almaghili... Why is it there is no any verifiable contact between oyo and all major empire in west Africa... They is no visit of adventures like Leo Africans visit to Hausa city states songhay and Borno up to now Nubia which testifies to greatness of those places.... Tell me one major adventurer that visit the king of oyo jungle and wrote a book just like Leo Africans wrote about Hausa city states and Timbuktu

Compare that to Kano and Borno... Kano and other Hausa city states that were predecessors of sokoto caliphate were around as early as 8th century while Borno was even much earlier... Kano and Timbuktu were great center of trade what was oyo jungle known for.. Don't even delve to the area of indigo dying because that one is clear as daylight... It was Hausa merchant that introduced indigo dye to Yoruba Tuareg kanuri Fulani Bambara songhay etc... In the history of west Africa oyo was never a major power... Don't tell me that lie that oyo conquered songhay empire because it was moroccons and the great Hausa warrior Kontal kanta who was the ruler of the western part of songhay empire that coinciding with some parts of hausaland help in the decline of the songhay empire

kaura5000:
Before oyo there was existence of independent Hausa states who are more advanced economically militarily than oyo individually as many adventurers and explorers attest to... Have you read Leo Africans. Testimony of his visit to Hausa empire songhay and Borno in the 14th century... I repeat there is never a time in history that oyo is more progressive than Hausa city states.. Economically Hausa city is the southern terminal of trans Saharan trade... Militarily you heard of queen Amina of zazzau expeditions.. The Hausa city states had been using cavalry even before the creation of oyo which terrain doesn't support large cavalry because of tsetse fly infection... Hausa developed system of writing before oyo Hausa introduced indigo in the western Sudan even exporting to Timbuktu... Do you know Kano was the first sultanate to have constitution in the early 14th century written by a the great North African scholar almaghili... Why is it there is no any verifiable contact between oyo and all major empire in west Africa... They is no visit of adventures like Leo Africans visit to Hausa city states songhay and Borno up to now Nubia which testifies to greatness of those places.... Tell me one major adventurer that visit the king of oyo jungle and wrote a book just like Leo Africans wrote about Hausa city states and Timbuktu

Are you really this dumb or just being insincere?

You opened a thread to talk about sokoto which only lasted for 100 years and was not the most important state of west africa (except for 10 years after the collapse of Borno and Oyo)
After being shamed you switch to hausa city states?
OK boy! Yorubaland was also structured into city states. .
And it's on record that Yorubaland was the most urbanized area of subsaharan africa with its many impressive city-states.
Ijebu being the first to trade with the Europeans in this part of africa, Fire arms manufacturers developed in Ijebu.
The glorious art works of Ife and Owo city-states
The Naval force of Iwere (itsekiri) employed by the Benin Empire

But there is something called Hausa city states and Kanem Borno.. Who were all more important than oyo in terms of education administration trade and pretty much all category

OPCNAIRALAND:

When Oyo started using cavalry there was nothing called Northern Nigeria. Do you agree?
Oyo did not learn cavalry from Northern Nigeria.
Sokoto Caliphate was not an Imperial power in the Sudan. Oyo was an Imperial power that defeated states all the way up to Songhai.... Oyo was feared even by dan Fodio, otherwise why did he stop his conquest in Nupeland, what stopped him from entering Yorubaland with his Jihad campaign?
In the case of Ilorin, fulani could not have defeated Oyo Ile if Yorubas acting on Afonja's leadership had not fought with them. When the Yorubas saw what became of Afonja they crossed camp and fought alongside their Oyo counterparts to route fulani completely out and back across river...drowning many of them and their horses in the process.
Ilorin had no Oba, it was a vacuum. Ilorin was a scholarship center and a satellite town where foreigners were camped. Yoruba therefore did not secure it as a political location. This is why it ended having an Emir.
To buttress my point. Jebba, which is further North of Ilorin had an Oba, that throne continues even as we speak.
It was not bravery of Fulani that sacked Oyo or put your Emir in Ilorin...but rather the carelessness of Afonj and subsequntly the neglect of Ilorin by Yoruba.
If you wete brave and more powerful than Oyo you would also, in addition to, taking jihad to everyone South of Sokoto would not stop when you got to Yorubaland. After the Afonja rebellion if you were not scared of Oyo, after putting a leader in Ilorin you would, just as you did toppling every Hausa State, have toppled every Oba around Ilorin and North of Ilorin to Jebba.
On the issue of slavery. You did not raid our towns for slaves. Yoruba did not sell Yoruba into slavery until intertribal wars between us that led to selling away prisoners of war. Our slaves in America were military men that fought wars. Their sense of leadership and patriotism was very acute....this background contributed to successful uprisings and revolts led by Yorubas in latin America. It also explains why Yoruba was the dominant and surviving culture, amongst all other cultures exported from West Africa most of which are in far greater quantity.
Up until the time of the wars within, and there were many of them, Yorubas sold people of other nationality.
Meanwhile, there are plenty accounts of Fulani, Hausa slaves sold byYorubas to the white man. Even Muhammad Bello became worried and sought help from Livingstone to appease Oyo to please stop selling his people.
If you want to project fulani superiority over other races please go ahead and have fun....but know that Oyo was far more Imperial and formidable than Sokoto Caliphate.

OPCNAIRALAND:

When Oyo started using cavalry there was nothing called Northern Nigeria. Do you agree?
Oyo did not learn cavalry from Northern Nigeria.
Sokoto Caliphate was not an Imperial power in the Sudan. Oyo was an Imperial power that defeated states all the way up to Songhai.... Oyo was feared even by dan Fodio, otherwise why did he stop his conquest in Nupeland, what stopped him from entering Yorubaland with his Jihad campaign?
In the case of Ilorin, fulani could not have defeated Oyo Ile if Yorubas acting on Afonja's leadership had not fought with them. When the Yorubas saw what became of Afonja they crossed camp and fought alongside their Oyo counterparts to route fulani completely out and back across river...drowning many of them and their horses in the process.
Ilorin had no Oba, it was a vacuum. Ilorin was a scholarship center and a satellite town where foreigners were camped. Yoruba therefore did not secure it as a political location. This is why it ended having an Emir.
To buttress my point. Jebba, which is further North of Ilorin had an Oba, that throne continues even as we speak.
It was not bravery of Fulani that sacked Oyo or put your Emir in Ilorin...but rather the carelessness of Afonj and subsequntly the neglect of Ilorin by Yoruba.
If you wete brave and more powerful than Oyo you would also, in addition to, taking jihad to everyone South of Sokoto would not stop when you got to Yorubaland. After the Afonja rebellion if you were not scared of Oyo, after putting a leader in Ilorin you would, just as you did toppling every Hausa State, have toppled every Oba around Ilorin and North of Ilorin to Jebba.
On the issue of slavery. You did not raid our towns for slaves. Yoruba did not sell Yoruba into slavery until intertribal wars between us that led to selling away prisoners of war. Our slaves in America were military men that fought wars. Their sense of leadership and patriotism was very acute....this background contributed to successful uprisings and revolts led by Yorubas in latin America. It also explains why Yoruba was the dominant and surviving culture, amongst all other cultures exported from West Africa most of which are in far greater quantity.
Up until the time of the wars within, and there were many of them, Yorubas sold people of other nationality.
Meanwhile, there are plenty accounts of Fulani, Hausa slaves sold byYorubas to the white man. Even Muhammad Bello became worried and sought help from Livingstone to appease Oyo to please stop selling his people.
If you want to project fulani superiority over other races please go ahead and have fun....but know that Oyo was far more Imperial and formidable than Sokoto Caliphate.

OPCNAIRALAND:

When Oyo started using cavalry there was nothing called Northern Nigeria. Do you agree?
Oyo did not learn cavalry from Northern Nigeria.
Sokoto Caliphate was not an Imperial power in the Sudan. Oyo was an Imperial power that defeated states all the way up to Songhai.... Oyo was feared even by dan Fodio, otherwise why did he stop his conquest in Nupeland, what stopped him from entering Yorubaland with his Jihad campaign?
In the case of Ilorin, fulani could not have defeated Oyo Ile if Yorubas acting on Afonja's leadership had not fought with them. When the Yorubas saw what became of Afonja they crossed camp and fought alongside their Oyo counterparts to route fulani completely out and back across river...drowning many of them and their horses in the process.
Ilorin had no Oba, it was a vacuum. Ilorin was a scholarship center and a satellite town where foreigners were camped. Yoruba therefore did not secure it as a political location. This is why it ended having an Emir.
To buttress my point. Jebba, which is further North of Ilorin had an Oba, that throne continues even as we speak.
It was not bravery of Fulani that sacked Oyo or put your Emir in Ilorin...but rather the carelessness of Afonj and subsequntly the neglect of Ilorin by Yoruba.
If you wete brave and more powerful than Oyo you would also, in addition to, taking jihad to everyone South of Sokoto would not stop when you got to Yorubaland. After the Afonja rebellion if you were not scared of Oyo, after putting a leader in Ilorin you would, just as you did toppling every Hausa State, have toppled every Oba around Ilorin and North of Ilorin to Jebba.
On the issue of slavery. You did not raid our towns for slaves. Yoruba did not sell Yoruba into slavery until intertribal wars between us that led to selling away prisoners of war. Our slaves in America were military men that fought wars. Their sense of leadership and patriotism was very acute....this background contributed to successful uprisings and revolts led by Yorubas in latin America. It also explains why Yoruba was the dominant and surviving culture, amongst all other cultures exported from West Africa most of which are in far greater quantity.
Up until the time of the wars within, and there were many of them, Yorubas sold people of other nationality.
Meanwhile, there are plenty accounts of Fulani, Hausa slaves sold byYorubas to the white man. Even Muhammad Bello became worried and sought help from Livingstone to appease Oyo to please stop selling his people.
If you want to project fulani superiority over other races please go ahead and have fun....but know that Oyo was far more Imperial and formidable than Sokoto Caliphate.

OPCNAIRALAND:

When Oyo started using cavalry there was nothing called Northern Nigeria. Do you agree?
Oyo did not learn cavalry from Northern Nigeria.
Sokoto Caliphate was not an Imperial power in the Sudan. Oyo was an Imperial power that defeated states all the way up to Songhai.... Oyo was feared even by dan Fodio, otherwise why did he stop his conquest in Nupeland, what stopped him from entering Yorubaland with his Jihad campaign?
In the case of Ilorin, fulani could not have defeated Oyo Ile if Yorubas acting on Afonja's leadership had not fought with them. When the Yorubas saw what became of Afonja they crossed camp and fought alongside their Oyo counterparts to route fulani completely out and back across river...drowning many of them and their horses in the process.
Ilorin had no Oba, it was a vacuum. Ilorin was a scholarship center and a satellite town where foreigners were camped. Yoruba therefore did not secure it as a political location. This is why it ended having an Emir.
To buttress my point. Jebba, which is further North of Ilorin had an Oba, that throne continues even as we speak.
It was not bravery of Fulani that sacked Oyo or put your Emir in Ilorin...but rather the carelessness of Afonj and subsequntly the neglect of Ilorin by Yoruba.
If you wete brave and more powerful than Oyo you would also, in addition to, taking jihad to everyone South of Sokoto would not stop when you got to Yorubaland. After the Afonja rebellion if you were not scared of Oyo, after putting a leader in Ilorin you would, just as you did toppling every Hausa State, have toppled every Oba around Ilorin and North of Ilorin to Jebba.
On the issue of slavery. You did not raid our towns for slaves. Yoruba did not sell Yoruba into slavery until intertribal wars between us that led to selling away prisoners of war. Our slaves in America were military men that fought wars. Their sense of leadership and patriotism was very acute....this background contributed to successful uprisings and revolts led by Yorubas in latin America. It also explains why Yoruba was the dominant and surviving culture, amongst all other cultures exported from West Africa most of which are in far greater quantity.
Up until the time of the wars within, and there were many of them, Yorubas sold people of other nationality.
Meanwhile, there are plenty accounts of Fulani, Hausa slaves sold byYorubas to the white man. Even Muhammad Bello became worried and sought help from Livingstone to appease Oyo to please stop selling his people.
If you want to project fulani superiority over other races please go ahead and have fun....but know that Oyo was far more Imperial and formidable than Sokoto Caliphate.

OPCNAIRALAND:

When Oyo started using cavalry there was nothing called Northern Nigeria. Do you agree?
Oyo did not learn cavalry from Northern Nigeria.
Sokoto Caliphate was not an Imperial power in the Sudan. Oyo was an Imperial power that defeated states all the way up to Songhai.... Oyo was feared even by dan Fodio, otherwise why did he stop his conquest in Nupeland, what stopped him from entering Yorubaland with his Jihad campaign?
In the case of Ilorin, fulani could not have defeated Oyo Ile if Yorubas acting on Afonja's leadership had not fought with them. When the Yorubas saw what became of Afonja they crossed camp and fought alongside their Oyo counterparts to route fulani completely out and back across river...drowning many of them and their horses in the process.
Ilorin had no Oba, it was a vacuum. Ilorin was a scholarship center and a satellite town where foreigners were camped. Yoruba therefore did not secure it as a political location. This is why it ended having an Emir.
To buttress my point. Jebba, which is further North of Ilorin had an Oba, that throne continues even as we speak.
It was not bravery of Fulani that sacked Oyo or put your Emir in Ilorin...but rather the carelessness of Afonj and subsequntly the neglect of Ilorin by Yoruba.
If you wete brave and more powerful than Oyo you would also, in addition to, taking jihad to everyone South of Sokoto would not stop when you got to Yorubaland. After the Afonja rebellion if you were not scared of Oyo, after putting a leader in Ilorin you would, just as you did toppling every Hausa State, have toppled every Oba around Ilorin and North of Ilorin to Jebba.
On the issue of slavery. You did not raid our towns for slaves. Yoruba did not sell Yoruba into slavery until intertribal wars between us that led to selling away prisoners of war. Our slaves in America were military men that fought wars. Their sense of leadership and patriotism was very acute....this background contributed to successful uprisings and revolts led by Yorubas in latin America. It also explains why Yoruba was the dominant and surviving culture, amongst all other cultures exported from West Africa most of which are in far greater quantity.
Up until the time of the wars within, and there were many of them, Yorubas sold people of other nationality.
Meanwhile, there are plenty accounts of Fulani, Hausa slaves sold byYorubas to the white man. Even Muhammad Bello became worried and sought help from Livingstone to appease Oyo to please stop selling his people.
If you want to project fulani superiority over other races please go ahead and have fun....but know that Oyo was far more Imperial and formidable than Sokoto Caliphate.

OPCNAIRALAND:

When Oyo started using cavalry there was nothing called Northern Nigeria. Do you agree?
Oyo did not learn cavalry from Northern Nigeria.
Sokoto Caliphate was not an Imperial power in the Sudan. Oyo was an Imperial power that defeated states all the way up to Songhai.... Oyo was feared even by dan Fodio, otherwise why did he stop his conquest in Nupeland, what stopped him from entering Yorubaland with his Jihad campaign?
In the case of Ilorin, fulani could not have defeated Oyo Ile if Yorubas acting on Afonja's leadership had not fought with them. When the Yorubas saw what became of Afonja they crossed camp and fought alongside their Oyo counterparts to route fulani completely out and back across river...drowning many of them and their horses in the process.
Ilorin had no Oba, it was a vacuum. Ilorin was a scholarship center and a satellite town where foreigners were camped. Yoruba therefore did not secure it as a political location. This is why it ended having an Emir.
To buttress my point. Jebba, which is further North of Ilorin had an Oba, that throne continues even as we speak.
It was not bravery of Fulani that sacked Oyo or put your Emir in Ilorin...but rather the carelessness of Afonj and subsequntly the neglect of Ilorin by Yoruba.
If you wete brave and more powerful than Oyo you would also, in addition to, taking jihad to everyone South of Sokoto would not stop when you got to Yorubaland. After the Afonja rebellion if you were not scared of Oyo, after putting a leader in Ilorin you would, just as you did toppling every Hausa State, have toppled every Oba around Ilorin and North of Ilorin to Jebba.
On the issue of slavery. You did not raid our towns for slaves. Yoruba did not sell Yoruba into slavery until intertribal wars between us that led to selling away prisoners of war. Our slaves in America were military men that fought wars. Their sense of leadership and patriotism was very acute....this background contributed to successful uprisings and revolts led by Yorubas in latin America. It also explains why Yoruba was the dominant and surviving culture, amongst all other cultures exported from West Africa most of which are in far greater quantity.
Up until the time of the wars within, and there were many of them, Yorubas sold people of other nationality.
Meanwhile, there are plenty accounts of Fulani, Hausa slaves sold byYorubas to the white man. Even Muhammad Bello became worried and sought help from Livingstone to appease Oyo to please stop selling his people.
If you want to project fulani superiority over other races please go ahead and have fun....but know that Oyo was far more Imperial and formidable than Sokoto Caliphate.

OPCNAIRALAND:

When Oyo started using cavalry there was nothing called Northern Nigeria. Do you agree?
Oyo did not learn cavalry from Northern Nigeria.
Sokoto Caliphate was not an Imperial power in the Sudan. Oyo was an Imperial power that defeated states all the way up to Songhai.... Oyo was feared even by dan Fodio, otherwise why did he stop his conquest in Nupeland, what stopped him from entering Yorubaland with his Jihad campaign?
In the case of Ilorin, fulani could not have defeated Oyo Ile if Yorubas acting on Afonja's leadership had not fought with them. When the Yorubas saw what became of Afonja they crossed camp and fought alongside their Oyo counterparts to route fulani completely out and back across river...drowning many of them and their horses in the process.
Ilorin had no Oba, it was a vacuum. Ilorin was a scholarship center and a satellite town where foreigners were camped. Yoruba therefore did not secure it as a political location. This is why it ended having an Emir.
To buttress my point. Jebba, which is further North of Ilorin had an Oba, that throne continues even as we speak.
It was not bravery of Fulani that sacked Oyo or put your Emir in Ilorin...but rather the carelessness of Afonj and subsequntly the neglect of Ilorin by Yoruba.
If you wete brave and more powerful than Oyo you would also, in addition to, taking jihad to everyone South of Sokoto would not stop when you got to Yorubaland. After the Afonja rebellion if you were not scared of Oyo, after putting a leader in Ilorin you would, just as you did toppling every Hausa State, have toppled every Oba around Ilorin and North of Ilorin to Jebba.
On the issue of slavery. You did not raid our towns for slaves. Yoruba did not sell Yoruba into slavery until intertribal wars between us that led to selling away prisoners of war. Our slaves in America were military men that fought wars. Their sense of leadership and patriotism was very acute....this background contributed to successful uprisings and revolts led by Yorubas in latin America. It also explains why Yoruba was the dominant and surviving culture, amongst all other cultures exported from West Africa most of which are in far greater quantity.
Up until the time of the wars within, and there were many of them, Yorubas sold people of other nationality.
Meanwhile, there are plenty accounts of Fulani, Hausa slaves sold byYorubas to the white man. Even Muhammad Bello became worried and sought help from Livingstone to appease Oyo to please stop selling his people.
If you want to project fulani superiority over other races please go ahead and have fun....but know that Oyo was far more Imperial and formidable than Sokoto Caliphate.

kaura5000:
Compare that to Kano and Borno... Kano and other Hausa city states that were predecessors of sokoto caliphate were around as early as 8th century while Borno was even much earlier... Kano and Timbuktu were great center of trade what was oyo jungle known for.. Don't even delve to the area of indigo dying because that one is clear as daylight... It was Hausa merchant that introduced indigo dye to Yoruba Tuareg kanuri Fulani Bambara songhay etc... In the history of west Africa oyo was never a major power... Don't tell me that lie that oyo conquered songhay empire because it was moroccons and the great Hausa warrior Kontal kanta who was the ruler of the western part of songhay empire that coinciding with some parts of hausaland help in the decline of the songhay empire

indigo dye is a sacred art of yoruba culture attributed to the Goddess Osun. Yoruba sacred arts are never borrowed but indigenous

I dnt think anyone says oyo brought the decline of songhay but after songhay, Oyo were the giants of west africa. . Even Benin has a rival achievements in art and economic importance with sokoto.


The Songhai and Borno empires are known to have beaten hausa strongholds down silly. .. so what are you talking about

macof:


indigo dye is a sacred art of yoruba culture attributed to the Goddess Osun. Yoruba sacred arts are never borrowed but indigenous

I dnt think anyone says oyo brought the decline of songhay but after songhay, Oyo were the giants of west africa. . Even Benin has a rival achievements in art and economic importance with sokoto.


The Songhai and Borno empires are known to have beaten hausa strongholds down silly. .. so what are you talking about

Actually, the Songhais victory only lasted a few years on Hausa states as another hausas state, Kebbi chased them out. That's the thing about hausa states, they were hardly United, but we're independently powerful. Now imagine the sokoto caliphate which United the whole hausa states and try comparing it to Oyo. Comparing Oyo to Kano alone is a great insult to Kano, now you're comparing it to something that encompasses, Gobir, Kebbi, Kano, Katsina and more? You my friend and all who support you are dunces


The only reason the Kanem Bornu and Songhai weren't concerned with Oyo and co. Was because they weren't relevant enough.

Hausa states like kano and katsina, excelled in trade and were competing for control of the trans Saharan trade, where was Oyo? Smh

Fool sokoto caliphate was successor to Hausa city states... Idiot Hausa had been trading with Europeans since time immemorial through trans Saharan trade hope you know of that? Lol tell me one independent explorer that testify to greatness of oyo... Tell me one Yoruba city empire that can match Kano in commerce or katsina in knowledge

macof:

Are you really this dumb or just being insincere?
You opened a thread to talk about sokoto which only lasted for 100 years and was not the most important state of west africa (except for 10 years after the collapse of Borno and Oyo)
After being shamed you switch to hausa city states?
OK boy! Yorubaland was also structured into city states. .
And it's on record that Yorubaland was the most urbanized area of subsaharan africa with its many impressive city-states.
Ijebu being the first to trade with the Europeans in this part of africa, Fire arms manufacturers developed in Ijebu.
The glorious art works of Ife and Owo city-states
The Naval force of Iwere (itsekiri) employed by the Benin Empire