menesheh:



You don't always understand the point bruh. No body is convincing you that their isn't a god. You're maliciously shifting the burden of proof to atheism. We are demanding for the prove of the claim in the bible.

Me: Winner01, there is a book i read where a man gave birth to a bouncing baby girl.

You: waw, i don't believe such could happen. I disbelieve untill you bring valid and convincing evidence to such claim.

Me: no, i absolutely believe it because ibori, Mohammed and chidi saw it happen in the book.

You: did you know those eye-witness and wether they really existed. Are there ways you can verify those witnesses outside the book you read because anyone can easily write names as eyewitnesses.

Me: you have to believe it cus it is real.

You: Sorry i don't believe things that way, i need more evidence to believe such claims. Infact the evidence as we know it, a man have no ovary, placenta and other organ that can aid a man to deliver a baby.



In the chat above, are you really telling me that my story isn't real and at the same time convincing me that it is not true, or asking for more evidence to the claims and reasons why i believed it despite how it seems impossible.
If you start convincing me that is not true, there is need for you to prove that it isn't true.

You can't start disproving thousands if not millions of other claims before you can be sure that they ain't real. You wait until each present their evidence and proof of their claims.

k

Hell is nothing more than a theoretical construct.

CoolUsername:
Let me tell you a story,

Bob is in love with a girl named Alice. Everyday will come to Alice's doorstep with chocolate and flowers to proclaim his undying love for her. Sometimes Alice will tell him to leave but most of the time she will ignore him. He would even mow her lawn and watch her gate at night, all to no avail.

One day, Bob comes to Alice's house in a black van. He steps out with a battery ram and breaks her door down. Bob overpowers Alice, ties her up, puts her in his van, and drives to a remote area.

When Alice's blindfolds have been removed she sees herself in some form of dungeon with every torture device known to man.
Frightened she asks: "Where am I?"

Bob replies: "I love you, Alice -so much that I built an underground torture chamber in case you didn't love me back. It shouldn't have been this way this way, if you had loved me, we could have lived together on my private island with every form of comfort."

This story is an analogy to christian mythology. Even if by some off chance that all this is true is God (Bob in this story) a moral character that should be followed.

Haha, that Bob is a silly one. He didn't really love her.

Nice analogy.

menesheh:


Firstly, i commend you for putting this up without abuse or harsh words.

Your post tilts towards mockery of christians, what do you want me to do, show you my knuckle

menesheh:

Now after going through this piece, you made a nice conclusion of what you feel were the central points of this thread. It is not in my point and maybe others views may still differ.

Dishonesty such as these repel me.
You point is "If its difficult to get to heaven, why bother".
Just be a man and admit it.

menesheh:

There is this saying that "good people will always strive for good while bad people will always have taste for evil" there is no correlation or studies confirming that being religious or being threatened of things like hell will make people do good while irreligiosity and not threatening people with hell breeds evil and immoral sort of people.

You are still a very dishonest fellow. If there is such saying. Have you questioned its source or critically analysed its validity. Menesheh, you annoy me when you think so shallow.
Who is threatening, why dont you wage war against "life" that fills us with threats everyday, threats of failure, sickness, poverty etc if we fail to follow certain principles. Just say "life" too does not exist.
You reject good, you choose evil.

menesheh:

In fact, the opposite is the case, the more religious a person or a society are, the more they tends to commit horrid crimes. I see no special benefit of threatening especially imagery ones as a good tool to restrict and curtail people's evil intents.

The more people refuse to follow the actual teachings of christianity, the more immorality abounds.
I see several so called "christians" that sleep around, drink, smoke and these same people claim to love Jesus.
The fact remains, the more people drift from the gospel, the more immorality abounds.
No one is threatening you, its the system.
Why not sit at home and refuse to work and see if hunger wont kill you.
Its not a threat, you automatically choose evil by refusing the good. its the system.

menesheh:

So the bible as one of the mythical books

Your proof.

menesheh:

Am still waiting for your justifications how threat is a good mechanisms to conform people to do good. Japan, a secular country achieved being number one secular country with the least crime rate while Nigeria, who receives on daily bases the threat of hell became utopia society .

If you Dont prepare for exams, youve automatically chosen failure. Get this into your head. Its not a threat, its your choice

menesheh:

NB. In order for you to be a formidable father, don't threaten your children with horrible imageries with the intent that they will be good when they grow up.

I will probably be a better father than you. Theres no rational reason for you to stay with just a lady when there are many varieties of ladies remember .
You son could have sex with your wife and insist that "morality is subjective".
I wont threaten my children, ill train them in the way of the Lord. I hope you will share your testimony when your children eventually convert you.

menesheh:

If you care to check, use USA as your checking case study, verify the statistics of their citizens who are more in prison for varieties of crimes and tell me your findings basing it on religion and atheism.

As some point, Ive thought to myself, why be good?, why follow God. Most time when i sin, i dont think about God and so do many people.
Those criminals just like you definately werent thinking about God when they commited crimes.
You cant claim to be like Jesus and act like an atheist and then when you end up in prison, people call you a christian, thats the logic

menesheh:

You've not demonstrated that there is Really an abstract monster who owns us all. I will start following as soon as i know there is. All i see for now is the explanations of what an ancient book assered about stuffs in the sky.

That book somehow stands taller than any other book in history even though generations have sought to bring it down.
I havent tried to demonstrate and probably wont demonstrate.
I can only encourage you to taste and see that God is good.

menesheh:
You agreed that you done immoral acts and same with me. I take responsibility for my actions which may lead me to apologize, but yours is that you wanted it the easy way by pretending to be asking for forgiveness to an unseen and non existent meduim, and at the same time pretending to be forgiven. It is evasion of justice and also pretty asinine.

Who and what do you apologize to.
I take responsibility for my actions when i pray.
You dont take responsibility for your actions, its why you wish there is no one to call you to order.

menesheh:

No, we will drag such god with you if we know and see him existing. I need such god with such qualities more than you do but am honest to stop pretending that there is one out there when there is no evidence of any.

Pretending?, ehyaa, i pity you.
Ive asked you before to show me a pictorial evidence of the human mind as proof that it exists.
cmon, you can do it.

menesheh:

Sorry, "god exists wether you likes it or not" is not in any way evidence of a god.

No one is trying to prove anything to you, if i wanted to, ill be in the atheist section not in the religion section where i share with people of God.

menesheh:

Winner01, dragon exists wether you likes it or not.
Allah exists wether you likes it or not.
Human migrated from MARS to inhabit earth wether you like it or not.

Look you people are funny and naive when you bring up the issue of demons.
Dragons, allah, martians etc exists.
The Bible speaks of other beings not of this world.
No one is atheistic to demons.
so try again.

menesheh:

Lastly you failed to say anything about wether or not you will be part of the hell because you've admitted to be a sinner, and have committed or will even still commit those criterias that will take one to hell.

You probably missed where i said (This me is dead). Im sorry but Christ now lives in me.

menesheh:



You don't always understand the point bruh. No body is convincing you that their isn't a god. You're maliciously shifting the burden of proof to atheism. We are demanding for the prove of the claim in the bible.

Me: Winner01, there is a book i read where a man gave birth to a bouncing baby girl.

You: waw, i don't believe such could happen. I disbelieve untill you bring valid and convincing evidence to such claim.

Me: no, i absolutely believe it because ibori, Mohammed and chidi saw it happen in the book.

You: did you know those eye-witness and wether they really existed. Are there ways you can verify those witnesses outside the book you read because anyone can easily write names as eyewitnesses.

Me: you have to believe it cus it is real.

You: Sorry i don't believe things that way, i need more evidence to believe such claims. Infact the evidence as we know it, a man have no ovary, placenta and other organ that can aid a man to deliver a baby.



In the chat above, are you really telling me that my story isn't real and at the same time convincing me that it is not true, or asking for more evidence to the claims and reasons why i believed it despite how it seems impossible.
If you start convincing me that is not true, there is need for you to prove that it isn't true.

You can't start disproving thousands if not millions of other claims before you can be sure that they ain't real. You wait until each present their evidence and proof of their claims.

No one will entertain your nonsense.
You tried to prove some sense but im sorry its all nonsense.
Try again ehn.

JESUS help me

winner01:
No one will entertain your nonsense.
You tried to prove some sense but im sorry its all nonsense.
Try again ehn.

Are you kidding me. Seems you've lost it all, those better arguments you ought to present. You cut it short by saying "no one will entertain your nonsense". Ok

Moreover, I've succeeded in correcting you on the real position of an atheist about god and hopefully, it entered deep, that's why you didn't have much to say.

Good morning.

malvisguy212:
The overwhelming majority of so-called errors in the Bible have been
demonstrated to be simply errors of judgment or lack of understanding on the part of those who make the complaint. People are always digging up
some supposed flaw in Scripture, which is not surprising. You cannot understand God word with just a single verse. Will it be fair if you are in a court and the judge judged you with a SINGLE statement ? Doctrine is built not upon one Bible passage but upon the total of God's comments on any subject.

If you believe Christianity is false and you don't believe God exist , yet you fear death,you are being irrational, maybe you
uncertain whether death is the end of
your existence.

No they have not. The bible contains a number of irreconcilable errors that are continuously covered up by so-called experts who claim to know the correct interpretation. Take three random christian pastors from any parts of Nigeria and i guarantee they will contradict eachother on their explanations for several scriptures.

And no one is judging god by a single verse. There are MULTIPLE bible verses that depict god as a spiteful, hateful, disturbed and very confused being. Ordering babies to be killed and women to be raped, ordering the stoning of non-virgin women, ordering people to kill their children to prove things. Absolutely despicable, no sane person would see these behaviors as those of a loving & omnipotent god.

This is the most idiotic claim I've ever heard a christian make. EVERY SENTIENT BEING FEARS DEATH. it is literally part of our DNA. As a human race we have all inherited the fear of death because its that very fear (amongst other things) that keeps us motivated to stay alive and thus proliferate our species (the ultimate biological purpose of life - reproduction). And it's ironic because this fear is essentially what drives much of religion - you don't want to die so you comfort yourself with the idea that you will be alive again after you die. At least we face reality.

KingEbukasBlog:


You really sound ignorant . You are filled with hate for this imaginary God , at least that explains the rant . You who is educated , rational and intelligent , what have you contributed to facilitate the progress of human and society , especially in Nigeria .

Let's hear it ...

again, atheists do not hate god because god doesn't exist. that's like claiming that children saying "santa claus isn't real" means children hate santa. no, we just hate lies - especially lies that cause humans to turn off their brains.

how silly can you be? atheists have almost no power in nigeria because we are looked down upon so vehemently. even coming out as an atheist is social suicide in most areas of nigeria. a single person can not make a difference from a position of so little power and influence. religious men are running the entire show in nigeria, so before atheists can do anything to make a real difference, we have to grow in number and the stigma behind us has to decrease.

also, i never claimed that all atheists are active & productive members of society. what i DID claim is that religion holds back society. in countries that are mostly absent of religious dogma (in places like sweden, japan, netherlands, australia, etc) society is booming, technological advances are made on a regular basis, and crime rates are very low. whereas in societies still fueled by religious dogma the most (nigeria, ghana, iraq, etc) things are going pretty horrible for the most part.

Scholar8200:
Okay so how does this apply to globally known intellectual giants and celebrated leaders who are staunch , Bible reading christians?

the MAJORITY of christians are far from intellectual giants -- most are to some degree very ignorant, amongst other things. the christians that do fit those descriptions do a ton of cherrypicking of the bible and likely have their own interpretation of christianity that allows them to function as at least somewhat rational individuals in present day society. ultimately, their religion isn't the cause of their intellect or leadership skills - rather their intellect/leadership skills manage to exist in spite of their religion.

cloudgoddess:

the MAJORITY of christians are far from intellectual giants -- most are to some degree very ignorant, amongst other things.

This remains your opinion till you give an evidence.

the christians that do fit those descriptions do a ton of cherrypicking of the bible and likely have their own interpretation of christianity that allows them to function as at least somewhat rational individuals in present day society.

Give proof and examples.

cloudgoddess:

No they have not. The bible contains a number of irreconcilable errors that are continuously covered up by so-called experts who claim to know the correct interpretation. Take three random christian pastors from any parts of Nigeria and i guarantee they will contradict eachother on their explanations for several scriptures.

And no one is judging god by a single verse. There are MULTIPLE bible verses that depict god as a spiteful, hateful, disturbed and very confused being. Ordering babies to be killed and women to be raped, ordering the stoning of non-virgin women, ordering people to kill their children to prove things. Absolutely despicable, no sane person would see these behaviors as those of a loving & omnipotent god.

This is the most idiotic claim I've ever heard a christian make. EVERY SENTIENT BEING FEARS DEATH. it is literally part of our DNA. As a human race we have all inherited the fear of death because its that very fear (amongst other things) that keeps us motivated to stay alive and thus proliferate our species (the ultimate biological purpose of life - reproduction). And it's ironic because this fear is essentially what drives much of religion - you don't want to die so you comfort yourself with the idea that you will be alive again after you die. At least we face reality.

bring proof of this error, and when you do that ,help us to understand the context so that we will know which kind of error is that.

D bible instructs us to love one another now can u follow or adhere to what u don't understand? God created d universe cos he loves u. If u don't realise u will never live ur purpose that's y we have people saying no heaven or hell. Pls read more on God's love for u n d world. Shallom

menesheh:


Shalom, there is no place in the bible that instructed you to read only the love of god.

Scholar8200:
This remains your opinion till you give an evidence.

Give proof and examples.

Gladly.
The least educated and most corrupt countries correlate with the most religious ones, and the most educated & developed countries likewise correlate with the least religious.
http://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/the-14-most-educated-countries-in-the-world-346448/



Even within countries, for example states located in the southern "bible belt" of America - lower education is associated with higher amounts of religious belief.
http://247wallst.com/special-report/2014/09/23/americas-most-and-least-educated-states/5/

cloudgoddess:

Gladly.
The least educated and most corrupt countries correlate with the most religious ones, and the most educated & developed countries likewise correlate with the least religious.
http://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/the-14-most-educated-countries-in-the-world-346448/



Even within countries, for example states located in the southern "bible belt" of America - lower education is associated with higher amounts of religious belief.
http://247wallst.com/special-report/2014/09/23/americas-most-and-least-educated-states/5/

Now which year was this information gathered?

malvisguy212:
bring proof of this error, and when you do that ,help us to understand the context so that we will know which kind of error is that.

This web page (http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html) showcases the following biblical contradictions with bible verses, although certainly there are more than just these:

God good to all, or just a few?
War or Peace?
Who is the father of Joseph?
Who was at the Empty Tomb?
Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?
Which first, beasts or man?
How many stalls and horsemen?
Is it folly to be wise or not?
Human vs. ghostly impregnation
The sins of the father
Hares do not chew their cud
Fowl from waters or ground
Odd genetics
The shape of the earth
Snakes, while built low, do not eat dirt
Earth supported?
Heaven supported too
The hydrological cycle
Order of creation
Moses' personality
Righteous live?
Jesus' first sermon plain or mount?
Jesus' last words
Years of famine
Moved David to anger?
The genealogy of Jesus?
God be seen?
Cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious or kind, merciful, and good
Tempts?
Judas died how?
Ascend to heaven
What was Jesus' prediction regarding Peter's denial?
How many time did the cock crow?
How many beatitudes in the Sermon on the Mount
Does every man sin?
Who bought potter's field?
Who prophesied the potter's field?
Do you answer a fool?
How many children did Michal, the daughter of Saul, have?
How old was Jehoiachin when he began to reign?
Marriage?
Did those with Saul/Paul at his conversion hear a voice?
Where was Jesus three days after his baptism?
How many apostles were in office between the resurrection and ascension?
Judging
Good deeds
For or against?
Whom did they see at the tomb?
God change?
Destruction of cities (what said was Jeremiah was Zechariah)
Whose sepulchers?
When second coming?
Solomon's overseers
The mother of Abijah
When did Baasha die?
How old was Ahaziah when he began to reign?
The differences in the census figures of Ezra and Nehemiah
What was the color of the robe placed on Jesus during his trial?
What did they give him to drink?
How long was Jesus in the tomb?

cloudgoddess:

This web page (http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html) showcases the following biblical contradictions with bible verses, although certainly there are more than just these:

God good to all, or just a few?
War or Peace?
Who is the father of Joseph?
Who was at the Empty Tomb?
Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?
Which first, beasts or man?
How many stalls and horsemen?
Is it folly to be wise or not?
Human vs. ghostly impregnation
The sins of the father
Hares do not chew their cud
Fowl from waters or ground
Odd genetics
The shape of the earth
Snakes, while built low, do not eat dirt
Earth supported?
Heaven supported too
The hydrological cycle
Order of creation
Moses' personality
Righteous live?
Jesus' first sermon plain or mount?
Jesus' last words
Years of famine
Moved David to anger?
The genealogy of Jesus?
God be seen?
Cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious or kind, merciful, and good
Tempts?
Judas died how?
Ascend to heaven
What was Jesus' prediction regarding Peter's denial?
How many time did the cock crow?
How many beatitudes in the Sermon on the Mount
Does every man sin?
Who bought potter's field?
Who prophesied the potter's field?
Do you answer a fool?
How many children did Michal, the daughter of Saul, have?
How old was Jehoiachin when he began to reign?
Marriage?
Did those with Saul/Paul at his conversion hear a voice?
Where was Jesus three days after his baptism?
How many apostles were in office between the resurrection and ascension?
Judging
Good deeds
For or against?
Whom did they see at the tomb?
God change?
Destruction of cities (what said was Jeremiah was Zechariah)
Whose sepulchers?
When second coming?
Solomon's overseers
The mother of Abijah
When did Baasha die?
How old was Ahaziah when he began to reign?
The differences in the census figures of Ezra and Nehemiah
What was the color of the robe placed on Jesus during his trial?
What did they give him to drink?
How long was Jesus in the tomb?

am at work now, very busy, I willl reply you later.

cloudgoddess:

again, atheists do not hate god because god doesn't exist. that's like claiming that children saying "santa claus isn't real" means children hate santa. no, we just hate lies - especially lies that cause humans to turn off their brains.

how silly can you be? atheists have almost no power in nigeria because we are looked down upon so vehemently. even coming out as an atheist is social suicide in most areas of nigeria. [size=16pt]a single person can not make a difference from a position of so little power and influence. religious men are running the entire show in nigeria, so before atheists can do anything to make a real difference, we have to grow in number and the stigma behind us has to decrease.[/size]

Am sure the question I asked hit you so hard that you are now clutching onto anything as an excuse . And so answer : did Abacha use religion during his looting , or did the Diezani use religion when she stole 13 billion pounds , or is it religion that is stopping the Nigerian government from repairing roads , building industries , providing word class educational facilities for public schools , and well equipped hospitals , providing employment for graduates etc .

You are very shallow and vacuous in reasoning .

also, i never claimed that all atheists are active & productive members of society. what i DID claim is that religion holds back society. in countries that are mostly absent of religious dogma (in places like sweden, japan, netherlands, australia, etc) society is booming, technological advances are made on a regular basis, and crime rates are very low. whereas in societies still fueled by religious dogma the most (nigeria, ghana, iraq, etc) things are going pretty horrible for the most part.

Ignorance should be your middle name . These African countries were exploited by European countries before they gained their independence . These African countries are being led by selfish , and power thirsty leaders who are more interested in their stomachs than the well being of the masses . There is marginalization of some ethnic groups in these countries - a major problem that has impeded growth and development in certain areas , economically and otherwise . Christianity as a recommended lifestyle does not support any of this cruel practices

UAE has the lowest crime rate in the world and over 95 percent of the country's population if not 99 percent identify as religious . Russia is a religious country and is the most involved in the fight against terrorism . Where are the military of Japan , Australia , Sweden , Netherlands?

And people in these countries identify as atheists most significantly due to morality . You can watch videos on Youtube where atheists are asked tricky questions on morality and how they fail woefully . These so called atheists just want to live as they please simple not that there is any plausible reason for practicing atheism .

Cloudgodes
1. Is Jesus lesser or equal to God?
God being Greater than Jesus has NOTHING to the with the nature of Jesus let me give you an example; The President is greater than you or I, correct? Yes, as Chief Executive Officer in Nigeria, he is greater than you or
I. But, is the President BETTER than you or I? What I mean is,is there anything about the President that makes him a
superior being to you or me? No. If Jesus wanted to say He was inferior to God in nature, He would have said, "The
Father is BETTER than I."

2. Who is the father of Joseph?
This seeming discrepancy has been explained on the basis that Luke presents Jesus as the actual blood descendant of David through Mary (Rom1:3, 4), but without listing Mary as a link in the chain of progenitors, whereas Matthew gives the royal and legal line of descent through Joseph, who was Jesus’ father by Jewish law.
Joseph could have been the literal son of either Jacob or Heli and the adopted son of the other, perhaps through a levirate marriage by either.

3. Did those with Saul/Paul at his
conversion hear a voice?
The Greek word for "hear" (#191 akouo) is used in two Greek cases in these two
verses. The genitive case is the sense of "being aware but not understanding", whereas the other is in the sense of "you heard it."

4.How old was Jehoiachin when he began to reign?
Jehoachin's father, Madehim, became an unofficial co-ruler at the age of eight to train him! This was followed with Jehoachin becoming officially the king at his father's death at 18 years of age!

5.Judas died how?
Judas hang himself, in that oder the rope broke, if not then from were the body fall from in acts 1:18?

6.Did those with Saul/Paul at his
conversion hear a voice?
The problem is that you misunderstood the Greek word for hear.Although the same Greek word is used in both accounts ( akouo), it has two distinct
meanings: to perceive sound and to
understand. Therefore, the explanation
is clear: they heard something but did
not understand what it was saying. Paul,
on the other hand, heard and understood. There is no contradiction.

7.The shape of the earth
The word "flat" occurs only a few times in the Bible,none of which is associated with the Earth. Synonyms, such as level, plain,plane, even, or horizontal are never used in reference to the entire Earth, but only to specific geographic areas. In addition, the Bible indicates in several places that the earth is a sphere suspended in space, with day and night existing simultaneously .

This is were I will stop for now, you did not present you questions that will be easy to answer, the questions is to many. Highlights the ones I did not answer and when I am less busy, I will reply you. Hope you will be ready to answer my questions too?

cloudgodes.
8.Where was Jesus three days after his
baptism?
John record a past event. John leave some gap and deliver his message to its audience. without doing any harm to the text,we can conclude the wedding at Cana took place after Jesus had returned from His 40 days in the wilderness and three days after He called the disciples as described in John 1:35–51. There is no contradiction when we carefully examine the various accounts in the Gospels.

10.Who prophesied the potter's field?
I thought you atheists are interlingent ? How on earth will a wise man or woman
chose to be ignorant? Now listen!! Matthew 27:9 says this
prophesy was "spoken by
Jeremy (Jeremiah)." Some
prophecies were spoken and
NOT written. Some others were
not spoken but only written,
while some others were both
spoken and written.
The text of Matthew 27:9-10 says "that which was SPOKEN", not "that
which was WRITING", so there is no need to look for the exact quotation in the book of Jeremiah. Jeremiah spoke the prophecy but did not write it. ZACHARIAH THEN WROTE JEREMIAH'S ORAL PROPHECY while omitting the reference to a field because that detail had already been described in Jeremiah 32:6-10.

11.Does every man sin?
A saved man does not abide in sin and make it his end, or his goal. If you are in
Jesus you will not want to sin.

12.How many children did Michal, the
daughter of Saul, have?

They where adopted children, from Merab, Saul's daughter (1 Samuel 18:19), the wife of Adriel, the son of
Barzillai the Meholathite.

13.Cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and
ferocious or kind, merciful, and good
Tempts?
God is not evil, but that He creates evil. What this is saying is that God has allowed evil to co-exist in this sphere in order to test man as well as to perfect
him.It is in the midst of such opposition, unpleasant though it often is, that man grows spiritually the most. Therefore,
as God gave Satan permission to afflict Job, so He permits the same with us, unless our affliction is of our own making or the collective fault of
unredeemed society. God creates evil, yes, but not the evil of sin, he creates the evil of punishment. He is the Author of all that is true, holy, and good, but evil, error, and misery came into the world by his permission, through the willful disobedience of man, but are
restrained and overruled to his righteous purpose.Evil is the instrument which he employs in his government, and is permitted by him in order to
execute his wise and just decrees.

cloudgoddess
1.How old was Ahaziah when he began to reign?
Ahaziah’s father Ahab was 32 when he became King, and he died eight years later, at the age of 40. Therefore Ahaziah could not have been 42 at the time of his father’s death at age 40! Such scribal errors do not change Jewish or Christian beliefs in the least. Ahaziah was 22 when he began to reign.

2.How many stalls and horsemen?
the number of stalls recorded in 1 Kings was the number at the beginning of
Solomon’s reign, whereas the number
recorded in 2 Chronicles was the number of stalls at the end of his reign. We know that Solomon reigned for 40 years;no doubt, many changes occurred during this period.

3.The sins of the father.
Because you read the bible with a canal mind you cannot see the truth in it.I have explained this before. by really
reading it in more depth, it actually says the opposite. Only the children who "hate God", and sin themselves, are the
ones who are punished, only the wicked and ungodly children who are following the wicked example of their fathers are punished. The very next verse (Exodus 20:6) confirms that God shows mercy on the children who love Him and keep his Law. This is in harmony with the teaching, "Each man shall die for his own sins" (2 Chronicles 25:4, Ezekiel
18:4,20).

4.Which first, beasts or man?
Atheists, you guys are confused and bias, you believe everything bible critics present. The fact is, “Genesis 2 does not present a creation account at all but presupposes the completion of God’s work of creation as set forth in chapter 1. The Hebrew word translated form in Genesis 2 is " yatsar", it can be translated "HAD FORMED" indicating it was a presupposed creation that happened before (Genesis 1) .

5.How long was Jesus in the tomb?
Jesus says to the thief on the cross
“Today you will be with me in Paradise”.
This was indeed true. For the thief was to die that same day on earth; but in
paradise “today” is any day in this world, as Heaven is OUTSIDE OF TIME.

The reason I find time to clear some of this allegedly contradictions if because of those who you and your atheists friends may deceive. Peace.

malvisguy212:
cloudgoddess
1.How old was Ahaziah when he began to reign?
Ahaziah’s father Ahab was 32 when he became King, and he died eight years later, at the age of 40. Therefore Ahaziah could not have been 42 at the time of his father’s death at age 40! Such scribal errors do not change Jewish or Christian beliefs in the least. Ahaziah was 22 when he began to reign.

2.How many stalls and horsemen?
the number of stalls recorded in 1 Kings was the number at the beginning of
Solomon’s reign, whereas the number
recorded in 2 Chronicles was the number of stalls at the end of his reign. We know that Solomon reigned for 40 years;no doubt, many changes occurred during this period.

3.The sins of the father.
Because you read the bible with a canal mind you cannot see the truth in it.I have explained this before. by really
reading it in more depth, it actually says the opposite. Only the children who "hate God", and sin themselves, are the
ones who are punished, only the wicked and ungodly children who are following the wicked example of their fathers are punished. The very next verse (Exodus 20:6) confirms that God shows mercy on the children who love Him and keep his Law. This is in harmony with the teaching, "Each man shall die for his own sins" (2 Chronicles 25:4, Ezekiel
18:4,20).

4.Which first, beasts or man?
Atheists, you guys are confused and bias, you believe everything bible critics present. The fact is, “Genesis 2 does not present a creation account at all but presupposes the completion of God’s work of creation as set forth in chapter 1. The Hebrew word translated form in Genesis 2 is " yatsar", it can be translated "HAD FORMED" indicating it was a presupposed creation that happened before (Genesis 1) .

5.How long was Jesus in the tomb?
Jesus says to the thief on the cross
“Today you will be with me in Paradise”.
This was indeed true. For the thief was to die that same day on earth; but in
paradise “today” is any day in this world, as Heaven is OUTSIDE OF TIME.

The reason I find time to clear some of this allegedly contradictions if because of those who you and your atheists friends may deceive. Peace.

The thread is now sweet. Enough articles to read from you

thisisolamii:
Before booking that first class ticket to hell can I ask u this do u know God loves u? N if u don't know am telling u he dearly does. Learn more on this love. Thank u.

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That is what all of you keep saying but everyday you people commit atrocities. Stop the pretence, you are not righteous, nobody is.

malvisguy212:
The overwhelming majority of so-called errors in the Bible have been
demonstrated to be simply errors of judgment or lack of understanding on the part of those who make the complaint. People are always digging up
some supposed flaw in Scripture, which is not surprising. You cannot understand God word with just a single verse. Will it be fair if you are in a court and the judge judged you with a SINGLE statement ? Doctrine is built not upon one Bible passage but upon the total of God's comments on any subject.

If you believe Christianity is false and you don't believe God exist , yet you fear death,you are being irrational, maybe you
uncertain whether death is the end of
your existence.

One contradictory statement in court is enough to rubbish your defence and have the judge throw the book at you. You might be going away for a long time based on a single inconsistency in your statement. I am referring to mere mortals here let alone a higher being. Shouldn't we expect more from him? Why do you keep making excuses for inconsistencies in what is supposedly the infallible word of god? Shouldn't he have given the same message to the authors of the bible rather than giving distorting messages of the same episode thus,bringing his book to ridicule.
Or are you suggesting part of the bible were written by men and some by god? If part of the Bible came from God and part came from primitive men, you do not know which is which. You do not know if Jesus really is resurrected, or if that's just a make-believe story inserted by primitive men. How do you know if God wrote the Ten Commandments or not? If any part of the Bible has been polluted by primitive men, you have to reject the whole thing. There is no way to know who wrote what, so the entire book is invalid.
There really is no middle ground and the Bible has to be an all-or-nothing book. Either the entire Bible came from God, or none of it did.
While we are still on the subject of discrepancies in the bible,can you please explain these two verses on the death of Judas Iscariot. The authors can't seem to get their stories straight..
Matthew 27:5
Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself.
Acts 1:18
Now this man purchased a field with the wages of iniquity; and falling headlong he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out

Hell is real but you can avoid it. That was why Jesus came. Jesus actually went to hell so you will not have to go there- Acts 2:27. It is not your own righteousness that earns you a ticket to heaven. It is the righteousness of Christ. It is not difficult to make heaven. Jesus did not only pay the price for your sins, he also made provision for your mistakes. Even after, you give your life to Christ, you are still prone to fall into temptations that lures you to sin. When that happens, all you need to do is to ask for forgiveness and you will be forgiven - 1John 1:9. That is not a license to continue to sin. Even if you commit the error several times, he will still forgive you but don't live in sin. God has made it easy for us to make it. Don't condemn yourself. You can make it. Yes, only a few will make it and you can be among them. Hell is not even the final destination for all who rejects the free offer of salvation. The final destination is the lake of fire - Revelation 20:11-15. It will come to pass even if you mock at it. If the grave could not hold Jesus down, be sure you can't stop events he has foretold. You can't escape Jesus. You either receive him as your Saviour or meet him as your judge. You cannot deny he never existed. Without him, you don't have a birthday. Your birthday is made with reference to Christ. All history revolves around him. It is either BC or AD. Please be wise and avoid eternal torment that is unbearable.

cold:

One contradictory statement in court is enough to rubbish your defence and have the judge throw the book at you. You might be going away for a long time based on a single inconsistency in your statement. I am referring to mere mortals here let alone a higher being. Shouldn't we expect more from him? Why do you keep making excuses for inconsistencies in what is supposedly the infallible word of god? Shouldn't he have given the same message to the authors of the bible rather than giving distorting messages of the same episode thus,bringing his book to ridicule.
Or are you suggesting part of the bible were written by men and some by god? If part of the Bible came from God and part came from primitive men, you do not know which is which. You do not know if Jesus really is resurrected, or if that's just a make-believe story inserted by primitive men. How do you know if God wrote the Ten Commandments or not? If any part of the Bible has been polluted by primitive men, you have to reject the whole thing. There is no way to know who wrote what, so the entire book is invalid.
There really is no middle ground and the Bible has to be an all-or-nothing book. Either the entire Bible came from God, or none of it did.
While we are still on the subject of discrepancies in the bible,can you please explain these two verses on the death of Judas Iscariot. The authors can't seem to get their stories straight..
Matthew 27:5
Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself.
Acts 1:18
Now this man purchased a field with the wages of iniquity; and falling headlong he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out

acts 1:18 record judas fall headlong, from were did he fall from ? Did matthew deny judas fell ? Did luke deny judas did not Hang himself ? NO
Judas hanged himself above the Valley of Hinnom on the edge of a cliff. Eventually the rope snapped ,thus causing his body to fall headfirst into the field below, as Luke described. Matthew does not deny that Judas fell and had his entrails gush out, and Luke does not deny that Judas hanged himself. In short, Matthew records the method in which Judas attempted his death. Luke reports the end result.

malvisguy212:
acts 1:18 record judas fall headlong, from were did he fall from ? Did matthew deny judas fell ? Did luke deny judas did not Hang himself ? NO
Judas hanged himself above the Valley of Hinnom on the edge of a cliff. Eventually the rope snapped ,thus causing his body to fall headfirst into the field below, as Luke described. Matthew does not deny that Judas fell and had his entrails gush out, and Luke does not deny that Judas hanged himself. In short, Matthew records the method in which Judas attempted his death. Luke reports the end result.

The re-interpretation or misinterpretation of the bible is your stock-in-trade. So no surprises there. Matthew clearly stated that he hung himself and Acts claimed he fell into a valley and his entrails gushed out. Two clearly distinct reportage of the same event. But here you are,desperately trying to make them seem like the same thing..sigh. If this were two newspapers reporting conflicting statements on the death of Judas,i'm sure you'd have a different perspective but it's in your bible so it must be right. Even when you know in your heart,something isn't right here you can't bear the thought to think something is terribly wrong with this book so you banish such thoughts from your head and just carry on pretending everything is fine. Maybe you can also use your biblical sagacity to clear up these two verses for me...

even the Bible says so n mind u Am only stating the fact. True Am not righteous but d knowledge of the fact that Am d righteousness of God in Christ Jesus makes me so happy n knowing I sit in d heavenlys where there is no failure just learn more on God's love. Thank u

bethelbrill:
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That is what all of you keep saying but everyday you people commit atrocities. Stop the pretence, you are not righteous, nobody is.

God bless u may ur wealth of d knowledge of d Gospel never go bankrupt

Ken4Christ:
Hell is real but you can avoid it. That was why Jesus came. Jesus actually went to hell so you will not have to go there- Acts 2:27. It is not your own righteousness that earns you a ticket to heaven. It is the righteousness of Christ. It is not difficult to make heaven. Jesus did not only pay the price for your sins, he also made provision for your mistakes. Even after, you give your life to Christ, you are still prone to fall into temptations that lures you to sin. When that happens, all you need to do is to ask for forgiveness and you will be forgiven - 1John 1:9. That is not a license to continue to sin. Even if you commit the error several times, he will still forgive you but don't live in sin. God has made it easy for us to make it. Don't condemn yourself. You can make it. Yes, only a few will make it and you can be among them. Hell is not even the final destination for all who rejects the free offer of salvation. The final destination is the lake of fire - Revelation 20:11-15. It will come to pass even if you mock at it. If the grave could not hold Jesus down, be sure you can't stop events he has foretold. You can't escape Jesus. You either receive him as your Saviour or meet him as your judge. You cannot deny he never existed. Without him, you don't have a birthday. Your birthday is made with reference to Christ. All history revolves around him. It is either BC or AD. Please be wise and avoid eternal torment that is unbearable.

cold:

The re-interpretation or misinterpretation of the bible is your stock-in-trade. So no surprises there. Matthew clearly stated that he hung himself and Acts claimed he fell into a valley and his entrails gushed out. Two clearly distinct reportage of the same event. But here you are,desperately trying to make them seem like the same thing..sigh. If this were two newspapers reporting conflicting statements on the death of Judas,i'm sure you'd have a different perspective but it's in your bible so it must be right. Even when you know in your heart,something isn't right here you can't bear the thought to think something is terribly wrong with this book so you banish such thoughts from your head and just carry on pretending everything is fine. Maybe you can also use your biblical sagacity to clear up these two verses for me...

did matthew deny judas did not fall ? Did Luke deny judas did not hung himself ? From were did judas fall from in acts 1:18 ?

KingEbukasBlog:


Am sure the question I asked hit you so hard that you are now clutching onto anything as an excuse . And so answer : did Abacha use religion during his looting , or did the Diezani use religion when she stole 13 billion pounds , or is it religion that is stopping the Nigerian government from repairing roads , building industries , providing word class educational facilities for public schools , and well equipped hospitals , providing employment for graduates etc .

You are very shallow and vacuous in reasoning .

Ignorance should be your middle name . These African countries were exploited by European countries before they gained their independence . These African countries are being led by selfish , and power thirsty leaders who are more interested in their stomachs than the well being of the masses . There is marginalization of some ethnic groups in these countries - a major problem that has impeded growth and development in certain areas , economically and otherwise . Christianity as a recommended lifestyle does not support any of this cruel practices

UAE has the lowest crime rate in the world and over 95 percent of the country's population if not 99 percent identify as religious . Russia is a religious country and is the most involved in the fight against terrorism . Where are the military of Japan , Australia , Sweden , Netherlands?

And people in these countries identify as atheists most significantly due to morality . You can watch videos on Youtube where atheists are asked tricky questions on morality and how they fail woefully . These so called atheists just want to live as they please simple not that there is any plausible reason for practicing atheism .

you've got to be kidding me. i never said ALL atrocities are caused by religion - there are many other reasons people do bad things. but religion happens to be one of those reasons, and one of the most powerful ones. a quick look into any history book will confirm that.

empty insult that could easily be turned right back around on you.

this is so ironic that you bring that up because its those very plundering europeans who brought you your christianity -- before whites came, stole from us and pummeled the shit into our heads, we had our own religions and spiritual beliefs. and now those same europeans are abandoning religion by the masses (rate of nonreligious UK is 50%+), and becoming more developed & progressive as a result. and christianity helps keep religious leaders controlling gullible minds of the country, keeping everyone in stone-age mentalities blindly depending on prayer to solve things instead of making scientific and social progress based on evidence and reality.

again, have you heard the definition of anomaly? one or two exceptions does not discount the overwhelming majority of evidence that higher rates of religious belief are present in the most morally corrupt countries.

"some atheists are asked tricky questions on morality and can't answer them so all atheists obviously know nothing about morality". simplistic, childish reasoning again. more and more evidence continues to accumulate that morality is an innate aspect of the human experience. NO RELIGION has the monopoly on morals -- we ALL have the capacity to do well by others, practice kindness and compassion. and people who do so out of their own choice, not because they're afraid some god will punish them, are far more morally sound than a religious person who is only kind to others so he will get a "reward in heaven".

and atheism isn't a "practice", atheism is lack of belief in any gods -- the ONLY sensible stance to make when there is NO evidence for any particular god and TONS of evidence AGAINST the gods described in every holy book known to man thus far. and its only in your religiously biased world that people become atheists so they can "do what they want" when many atheists i know are the most ethically sound, socially active people i know. look up secular humanism and you will see that indeed plenty of atheist people care deeply about humanity -- they just don't require threat of hell to do so. and even moreso on that point, many christians i know seem to hide behind their redemption through christ as an excuse to commit all manner of so-called 'sin'. and surveys taken in the US show the rate of premarital sex is roughly equal between christians and non-believers. so there's that.

cloudgoddess:

you've got to be kidding me. i never said ALL atrocities are caused by religion - there are many other reasons people do bad things. but religion happens to be one of those reasons, and one of the most powerful ones. a quick look into any history book will confirm that.

empty insult that could easily be turned right back around on you.

this is so ironic that you bring that up because its those very plundering europeans who brought you your christianity -- before whites came, stole from us and pummeled the shit into our heads, we had our own religions and spiritual beliefs. and now those same europeans are abandoning religion by the masses (rate of nonreligious UK is 50%+), and becoming more developed & progressive as a result. and christianity helps keep religious leaders controlling gullible minds of the country, keeping everyone in stone-age mentalities blindly depending on prayer to solve things instead of making scientific and social progress based on evidence and reality.

again, have you heard the definition of anomaly? one or two exceptions does not discount the overwhelming majority of evidence that higher rates of religious belief are present in the most morally corrupt countries.

"some atheists are asked tricky questions on morality and can't answer them so all atheists obviously know nothing about morality". simplistic, childish reasoning again. more and more evidence continues to accumulate that morality is an innate aspect of the human experience. NO RELIGION has the monopoly on morals -- we ALL have the capacity to do well by others, practice kindness and compassion. and people who do so out of their own choice, not because they're afraid some god will punish them, are far more morally sound than a religious person who is only kind to others so he will get a "reward in heaven".

and atheism isn't a "practice", atheism is lack of belief in any gods -- the ONLY sensible stance to make when there is NO evidence for any particular god and TONS of evidence AGAINST the gods described in every holy book known to man thus far. and its only in your religiously biased world that people become atheists so they can "do what they want" when many atheists i know are the most ethically sound, socially active people i know. look up secular humanism and you will see that indeed plenty of atheist people care deeply about humanity -- they just don't require threat of hell to do so. and even moreso on that point, many christians i know seem to hide behind their redemption through christ as an excuse to commit all manner of so-called 'sin'. and surveys taken in the US show the rate of premarital sex is roughly eq
ual between christians and non-believers. so there's that.

I wonder why people write epistles as a response to simple straight forward questions I ask these days . You are just trying to justify why you practice atheism . I had fed you with simple facts you need to digest , please do so and reply sensibly