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Re: 8 false Teachings by Churches And The Biblical Truths Concerning them. by Toks2008(m): 8:04am On Dec 13, 2015 |
post=37725552: Good |
Re: 8 false Teachings by Churches And The Biblical Truths Concerning them. by Bigloaf: 8:27am On Dec 13, 2015 |
Toks2008:1 timothy 2 vs 9. check it out |
Re: 8 false Teachings by Churches And The Biblical Truths Concerning them. by parisbookaddict(f): 9:38am On Dec 13, 2015 |
Toks2008: Very Good write up.. however there are several verses i have seen that calls for women to cover their hair in the house of God.. i will look for them an post when i can.. i disagree that a women who has long hair need not wear a scarf, i think thats ur view from the write up.. but despite this disagreement the article is an all round brilliant analysis.. 4 Likes |
Re: 8 false Teachings by Churches And The Biblical Truths Concerning them. by parisbookaddict(f): 9:43am On Dec 13, 2015 |
Toks2008: Here is one of the passages i had in mind.. u understanding here is wrong... Paul writes, "But I want you to understand that the head of every man (that is Christian men and women) is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, but every wife who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same as if her head were shaven. For if a wife will not cover her head, then she should cut her hair short. But since it is disgraceful for a wife to cut off her hair or shave her head, let her cover her head" (1 Cor. 1:3-6). 6 Likes |
Re: 8 false Teachings by Churches And The Biblical Truths Concerning them. by Toks2008(m): 9:57am On Dec 13, 2015 |
Bigloaf: Ok i believe you are not one of those who read Bible verses in isolation but will also combine other passages making reference to same topic.. Anyways here it is: "I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes" So lets see the passage reading verse 9 and 10 together 1 timothy 2 vs 9. 9.Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments, 10but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness. Now to another passage in (1 Peter 3:3-5) "Your adornment must not be merely external—braiding the hair, and wearing gold jewelry, or putting on dresses;but let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in the sight of God" It is clear here that wearing of jewelries was never stated as a sin but women were advised not to make this a priority... 7 Likes |
Re: 8 false Teachings by Churches And The Biblical Truths Concerning them. by Toks2008(m): 10:07am On Dec 13, 2015 |
parisbookaddict: I love it when people argue intelligently and back it up with scriptures. Now carefully read the scriptures i quoted and meticulously note the part that talks about the long hair of a woman is ghiven to her as a covering meaning a lady with a short hair can as well cover her head while one with long hair needs not cover it again...please read the passage once more. 13Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him, [size=13pt]15but if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her? For her hair is given to her for a covering.[/size] 16But if one is inclined to be contentious, we have no other practice, nor have the churches of God. 1 Corinthians 11:13-16 Honestly this is one thread i had always wished lalasticlala puts on front page so that people can learn the undiluted truth from the scriptures and ofcourse for people with contrary view to come up with good points freom the bible so thatw e all can learn. Heresy is sending many people to hell and also not making many people to come to christ because some ladies said they would rather not be born again than stop wearing earings while some say if it is wearing of trousers that wil take them to hell then there is no use being born again. 2 Likes |
Re: 8 false Teachings by Churches And The Biblical Truths Concerning them. by ByfireByfire: 10:53am On Dec 13, 2015 |
Toks2008: Friend , willfully entertaining sexual lust outside marriage is sin. Maturbation is a sexual lust outside marriage.Its uncleanness Gal. 5:19. Where is self respect, dignity and self integrity in such act. Even multitudes of the wicked and ungodly lived their entire lives till death without maturbation or any regard for such filth and today some misguided Christians are supporting this evil. 1thess.4:5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God 1pet2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness.... Gal.5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. James 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. 4 Likes |
Re: 8 false Teachings by Churches And The Biblical Truths Concerning them. by Toks2008(m): 11:05am On Dec 13, 2015 |
ByfireByfire: I am glad for the embolden and that means entertaining masturbating within the confines of marriage is ok right? I believe you termed uncleanliness to be masturbation right? ok i won't argue that with you but e both agree that self servicing was never mentioned as a clear sin except the adjourning circumstances as explained by what i wrote up there. A lady who is married and her hubby is not around then she touyches herself sensuously thinking of her hubby in your own definition is a sin likewise a man that does that. Sometimes we put ourselves more in bondage by our own reasoning because i still wonder why self servicing without porn inducement or illicit taught relate to uncleanliness because unclean acts are sinful acts. In my opinion,iof the bible wants self servicing to be seen as sin we would have seen at least one verse that expresly addressed that but the silence of the Bible concerning it has given room for men to bring logic and philosophy to it and that is why the issue of self servicing will always be a complex issue to discuss. Masturbation becomes a sin if you look at a lady lustfully while indulging in the act and it becomes lustful pleasure because when you watch pornographic films and magazines and you masturbate, you are lusting after the sexual figure you see just like lusting after the opposite sex. But when you have a wet dream as adolescents do and wake up messed up or when you think about yourself just making out with an imaginary person you are not married to with no physical presence of the person or when you do it thinking about your spouse,is it a sin considering that all thee cases has to do with fluid emitted from the man or climaxing by the lady? This wil always be a subject of debate. |
Re: 8 false Teachings by Churches And The Biblical Truths Concerning them. by ByfireByfire: 12:02pm On Dec 13, 2015 |
Toks2008: Why do you so called new age Christians choose to allow satan to keep you folks adamant in sinful blindedness. Look at all the shameful analysis you make to justify something that even many ungodly men won't even think of. Even common sense tells us some things that are unwholesome but common sense is not common. Even when I was a hardnened sinner maturbation was so foreign to me and the very mention of it was abominable to me. My own bible speaks clearly to me about such things as maturbation without calling it by that particular name. When the bible speaks against lust, uncleanness, inordinate behaviors, concupiscence, keeping my body which is the temple of God holy, integrity, dignity and such things I don't need anyone to tell me its addressing such dirty habits as maturbation and the rest. You can go ahead and interprete your own Bible however suits you. Why should a married couple engage in maturbation when the partner is absent. Isn't that unwholesome? Where is self control, temperance, honour, integrity, discipline in such act. Even animals don't go to such extremes. If you have an evil habit, deal with it and stop justifying it. There is no other sexual activity sanctioned by God and supported by the scripture except that between a man and a woman and only in marriage. Anything outside this has nothing to do with God and is outright sin and ungodliness whether in marriage or outside marriage. Show me from the scriptures where Abraham, Moses, Joshua, David, the holy prophets, the holy apostles of Christ engaged in such an unclean habit as maturbation. The same method you use to justify maturbation is the same gays use to justify their ungodly shameful act. Why? Because you fellows do not understand God and how holy He is. What it means that God is holy. What it means that God requires us to be holy as He is. I know you'll still argue but I won't engage you further. 17 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: 8 false Teachings by Churches And The Biblical Truths Concerning them. by Bigloaf: 12:06pm On Dec 13, 2015 |
which church did u attend. 5 Likes |
Re: 8 false Teachings by Churches And The Biblical Truths Concerning them. by Ishilove: 12:36pm On Dec 13, 2015 |
Toks2008:I don't know why people seem not to notice Paul was using the pronoun 'I'.... |
Re: 8 false Teachings by Churches And The Biblical Truths Concerning them. by Toks2008(m): 12:59pm On Dec 13, 2015 |
ByfireByfire: It is one thing to argue and another to discuss issues for the benefit of others to learn. NEWS FLASH...i gave my life to christ 27years ago when some people reading this were not yet born. Im fully grounded in christ with the full baptism of the holy ghost so please put to rest your erroneous belief of the new age thing cos im as old fashioned as you can think of. Talking about making analysis over masturbation i must state clearly that i have never whanked in my life and yes sometimes as human i fantacize been single but you must understand that this discussion is not about both of us but for others to learn.. Sexual feeling is as normal as the feeling of tiredness,sleep,defecating and urinating. Lets stop leading people to hell by making life hard for them.Lets say it as it is...if your passion is high please get married as Paul adviced and because of the economy situation people cant marry as fast as they want but this does not stop hard on from happening or a lady from getting Hot. Please lets not allow hypochrisy to be the order of the day.If you are single and feeling Hot try to control it but if you can please jerk it off and be at peace rather than fall into actual fornication. I must only warn that addiction to all form of habbits is the problem here so be careful not to get carried away..and get married to avoid burning with pasion. 6 Likes |
Re: 8 false Teachings by Churches And The Biblical Truths Concerning them. by Toks2008(m): 1:10pm On Dec 13, 2015 |
Ishilove: Often times Paul says that ...I advice...and even at that we are still meant to obey because its the same scriptures but the uptightedness of many pastors are leading people to hell. These same pastors fornicated before they married but will now tell members to seal up sexual passion and they are not to even think of masturbation...how cruel..its like saying dont pee if you are pressed. Tell anyone that Toks wrote that you should masturbate with peace of mind if your passion is driving you crazy...but if you have the grace to subdue it better. Enough of all these hypocrisy. 2 Likes |
Re: 8 false Teachings by Churches And The Biblical Truths Concerning them. by ByfireByfire: 1:23pm On Dec 13, 2015 |
Toks2008: Coming from someone "fully grounded in Christ with full baptism of the HOLY Ghost". I'm totally ashamed of you. I can't even recommend you as saved let alone holy ghost baptised. Imagine telling someone that is given to uncontrollable sexual lust to masturbate instead of asking the fellow to give him/herself to fasting and prayers or even to thorough deliverance prayers which have easily and steadily liberated countless millions in such satanic bandages till date. And yet you claim holy ghost baptism. I have no claim to holy ghost baptism whatsoever yet I can easily tell what is inappropriate. I put it to you that you have no Holy Ghost baptism whatsoever. Infact you can easily pass for a satanic agent undercover using subtle tactics to encourage unstable Christians in sinful habits. The Holy Ghost is spotlessly, sinlessly "Holy" and cannot reside in unclean people that accept and encourage sinful habits that will even repulse the ungodly. 10 Likes |
Re: 8 false Teachings by Churches And The Biblical Truths Concerning them. by Toks2008(m): 1:39pm On Dec 13, 2015 |
ByfireByfire: You are begining to bore me. Please forget my matter and educate people with vivid scriptural quotes and not by human phylosophy. Thats my point.I hate hypochrisy and i know many people who do worse stuffs than even masturbating yet they front sainthood. Just hear yourself advising someone having a natural urge to copulate to give himself to fasting and prayer ...why not start fasting and praying if you feel pressed to defecate? Even paul adviced marriage just as i also did and for those who have the grace to subdue it can do that while those with high libido should find a way to ease of without ponographic inducement but you are here trying to form an alpha. Im very practical and down to earth so show me from the bible where self servicing is mentioned as a sin and i will change my notion right now. Just like addiction is bad,in like manner masturbating could be addictive...people must understand difference between bad habbit and sin so the best you can come up is to say from your perspective,masturbation is a bad habit but that does not make it a sinful habbit. 4 Likes |
Re: 8 false Teachings by Churches And The Biblical Truths Concerning them. by ByfireByfire: 2:47pm On Dec 13, 2015 |
Toks2008: Look at me very very well. I don't just bore people that pervert the gospel. I burn them thoroughly. You are clearly a pervert. I just wanted to ignore you and pass by but you are beginning to show me your true color. Tell me that this teaching of yours have to foundation from Christ embassy. You talk of hypocrisy while subtly encouraging sin, Who is fooling who. If what you are doing here is not hypocrisy I wonder what else is. I have clearly showed you a way out of sinful maturbation for those that fear God and you openly rejected it with baseless excuses. Yet you dare claim to be "fully Holy Ghost basptised" . This type of your satanic gospel from hell may God by Himself forbid and banish it. May those you mislead with your perverted gospel be required of you in this very time even before eternity.... except you fully repent. I strongly suspect you. 5 Likes |
Re: 8 false Teachings by Churches And The Biblical Truths Concerning them. by Toks2008(m): 3:52pm On Dec 13, 2015 |
ByfireByfire: At least im happy that out of the 8 points its just one that you are attacking and that goes to show im a very bad agent of the devil and even this one point you cant defend from the bible but you have been screaming out from your logic and philosophy so i have nothing to discuss with you. I know your type will come here and that was why i insisted on biblical quotes as a backing and that you have goofed so stop displaying your ignorrance please. coming to advice people o fast and pray over sexual urge. 4 Likes |
Re: 8 false Teachings by Churches And The Biblical Truths Concerning them. by ByfireByfire: 4:25pm On Dec 13, 2015 |
Toks2008: If in your blinded blindfolded perverted delusion the Scriptural verses I presented earlier doesn't mean anything to you then you should be examined. Of course I knew you would fully ignore them cos they do not support the uncleanness you so much prefer but clearly condemn them. You were shown godly methods to deal with this menace and you threw it out. I can almost agree that even if God were to come down from heaven to loose you from the demon of maturbation you'll easily tell him not to bother cos you'll prefer to keep it. You clearly are not here to seek solution. You are here to seek means and methods to gratify sinful lusts while still answering a so called holy ghost filled Christian. Maybe fellow perverts that can come forward to offer you maturbation styles and moves will be very much welcome. Go ahead and revel in your perversion. It is written Jn. 8:44 - Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 3 Likes |
Re: 8 false Teachings by Churches And The Biblical Truths Concerning them. by madgoat(m): 8:46pm On Dec 13, 2015 |
@Op, u might also go to hell because of this ur erroneous teachings. 6 Likes |
Re: 8 false Teachings by Churches And The Biblical Truths Concerning them. by otodeluxe(m): 8:50pm On Dec 13, 2015 |
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Re: 8 false Teachings by Churches And The Biblical Truths Concerning them. by iffydave: 8:51pm On Dec 13, 2015 |
[size=18pt] All things are lawful for me, but not all things are helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be enslaved by anything [/size] . 1 Corinthians 6:12 RSV 3 Likes |
Re: 8 false Teachings by Churches And The Biblical Truths Concerning them. by saintkel(m): 8:56pm On Dec 13, 2015 |
End time Op with end time write up, op I won't even argue with u but Christianity is far far greater dan Modernization and Globalization. Let God be d judge but sincerely u r leading people strait to HELL 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: 8 false Teachings by Churches And The Biblical Truths Concerning them. by babyfaceafrica: 8:57pm On Dec 13, 2015 |
ByfireByfire:you have a point...but you need to argue maturly..,the guy said his point...but u are just here lampooning him.....its a shame.....you don't win souls like this 6 Likes |
Re: 8 false Teachings by Churches And The Biblical Truths Concerning them. by Toks2008(m): 8:58pm On Dec 13, 2015 |
otodeluxe: I will advice that if you have no biblical quote to support your opinion please for the sake of christ just keep mum. This is a serious thread and there is no room for beer parlor argument or palm-wine joint comments. 2 Likes |
Re: 8 false Teachings by Churches And The Biblical Truths Concerning them. by omajali2003(m): 8:59pm On Dec 13, 2015 |
Waste of time and mb |
Re: 8 false Teachings by Churches And The Biblical Truths Concerning them. by Nobody: 9:00pm On Dec 13, 2015 |
10. leaving your brain in church and allowing fake pastors to your thinking for you is also a sin because it's a waste of God's gift to you. |
Re: 8 false Teachings by Churches And The Biblical Truths Concerning them. by Nobody: 9:00pm On Dec 13, 2015 |
EVEN THE DEVIL KNOWS THE BIBLE TOO...WHAT DO YOU EXPECT 5 Likes |
Re: 8 false Teachings by Churches And The Biblical Truths Concerning them. by atoleybaba(m): 9:01pm On Dec 13, 2015 |
misreal:dude stop misquoting bible 3 Likes |
Re: 8 false Teachings by Churches And The Biblical Truths Concerning them. by ekefre4(m): 9:02pm On Dec 13, 2015 |
Re: 8 false Teachings by Churches And The Biblical Truths Concerning them. by Rapture4real(m): 9:05pm On Dec 13, 2015 |
Toks2008: 1 Like |
Re: 8 false Teachings by Churches And The Biblical Truths Concerning them. by Nobody: 9:06pm On Dec 13, 2015 |
misreal: Highly misleading. they are all heresis. How do you draw the line in all the cases. The good thing about this thing is that not engaging in all of those things is not sin, Jewellry, Drinking, women wearing trousers, watching pono,smoking. I will rather stay clear of them 1 Like |
Re: 8 false Teachings by Churches And The Biblical Truths Concerning them. by atoleybaba(m): 9:07pm On Dec 13, 2015 |
Bigloaf:rread verse 10 too it tells u what he mean that women should dress moderately...not outrightly condemning them |
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