theV0ice:




You are good at making me laugh. Your threads are always opened on emotional tantrums and needs no serious effort to diffuse. I didn't see this earlier as you didn't spell my moniker properly

Let me ask you a simple question: Can you mention one possible consequence to a nations's economy the scenario of a central bank so loose that $47m was withdrawn in cash stacked in suitcases in this 21st century of Cashless banking and transaction?

This by no less than the office of the NSA?

MizMyColi:


Hehehehe

You lot see women as feeble and emotional even my font type looks emotional, so I'm not surprised that you can't reason beyond that to see that I've asked Valid and Commensensical questions.

As for the scandals rocking certain individuals in our ‎polity, they remain innocent until proven guilty and jailed through a competent court of law.
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That said, ‎ I believe that some of these funds you lot term looted weren't looted actually... But due to leadership decisions by Jonathan which maybe buhari in his thoughts thinks inadequate, he will term same fraud...
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Leaders make decisions especially when under threat security wise...without waiting for house appropriation...(the clandestine purchase of arms and weaponry come to mind).
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So legally Dasuki can pass on...but because Buhari wants him down, so he may find it difficult.
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I believe some money was stolen but it is far below the figures they are taunting around
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Btw,  why is that stories like this come up whenever there's an economic mess coming up... So APC can use it to shield themselves from blame? And to divert attention‎?
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What if the aim of all this is for APC to make PDP look bad?‎
Aren't we all playing into their game if we appear self-defeatist?
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That's it exactly!! Make PDP the fall guy...when as a matter of fact, there are worse shameless looters in APC masquerading as Navigators, Ministers and Chieftains.
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In governance, decision taking whether right or wrong isn't a crime.‎
Whatever decision taken by Jonathan was for Nigeria interest no matter how flawed it may appear.‎
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Not taking decision at all is what is a crime.
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That's why Jonathan can not go to jail unless under some unscrupulous script by VERY HIGHLY powerful beings greater than him, including Okonjo Iweala.

That said, I will shave all my eyebrows, go without make up for days, and plait irun kiko on my head AND apologise profusely if Buhari prosecutes the likes of Tinubu, OBJ and Amaechi.‎

theV0ice:




@ the bold. See the question an 'adult' is asking today?

In fact, not only bags and suitcases, they can also use a tanker to carry the money

Abeg carry your matter go where folks of your hue congregate. Don't bring me down to your level

theV0ice:




There you go again...what has being female to do with the emotional basis of your thread?? Remember you and i went down this road some few days ago when you opened a similar thread asking for where Buhari kept N334B you believed he skimmed off the N713.7B bailout money?? Of course you and i eventually arrived at the same conclusion: BUHARI DIDN'T STEAL ANYTHING FROM THE BAILOUT MONEY. I advised you then to always exercise patience in situations like this.

During the era of Idi Amin Dada in Uganda, They had an economic crises with inflation at 700%. You know what Idi Amin's order was to the Central bank governor? PRINT MORE CASH!!. And of course printing more cash without the economic fundamentals to back it up leads to gross distortion in the fiscal and monetary environment of a nation.

The problem with the GEJ govt isn't just the looting. They looted under OBJ too. It wasn't improper handling of security votes....every politician does that. the most damaging feature of the GEJ years was the MINDLESSNESS with which they did their looting without regard for it's effect on our monetary policy or fiscal well being. Dasuki woke up one day and requested $47M CASH and Emefiele simply created an expense head for it in CBN and voila....the cash was delivered. How was that sum factored into the cash in circulation at that time? Dasuki came again and said he needed N10B for party faithfuls and Emefiele obliged. What damage do you think that did to whatever monetary policy was in place at that time? All these at a time when GEJ ANNOUNCED THAT HE WAS INSTITUTING TECHNOLOGY THAT WOULD ENSURE THAT THE YAMS ARE SEPARATED FROM THE GOATS!!? I don't know how true, but my former colleague who is now a zonal operations head at one of the banks in abuja said they ran out of dollars some weeks to the elections because of excess mopping up.

The last time we had such was under Abacha with ISMAILA GWARZO, the then NSA but even at that, it wasn't this much and Abacha as wicked as he was ensured only a select few had access to the yams then. GEJ your hero gave every willing goats duplicate keys to the barn so much so that they ran out of names to use that Bafarawa tagged his own ''for spiritual purposes". They didn't even need to come ask him anymore. Just go there and collect your own.

I'm not happy with the current govt. I believe they are slow. I want things to move at a faster pace but it's only someone with his/her head too deep into his/her ass that will expect any miracle with oil, our only source of FX, down to 25% of its value of a year ago. This budget was drawn on the basis of $65/barrel. Can you tell me how much oil is being sold now? Has Buhari drawn up his own budget?

You guys, especially you, have your minds made up and are only too happy to see things go worse. So i'm sure you celebrate when you queue for 5 hours to buy fuel or when you buy it at N150 if you don't like to queue while conveniently forgetting that part of the subsidy paid last week was arrears from August 2014. In as much as i'm not happy with the pace, I'LL FOREVER BE HAPPY AND PROUD THAT I WAS PART OF THOSE WHO HELPED A MAN WHO WAS TOO WEAK AND TOO TIMID TO STOP HIS FRIENDS AND SUBORDINATES FROM MESSING UP HIS GOVT.

It wasn't his fault anyway....Na OBJ Satan go punish for forcing him on the sick Yar'adua.

my write up is long....i hope you take the time to read it.

cheers

kaboninc:


Was the money "looted"?

What was the source of the fund?

Were they budgeted security wide votes?

Were the actually given to PDP members? Do you have proofs?

One thing we must understand is that under very serious circumstances, certain actions will be taken. So using cash to buy weapons under difficult circumstances can be excused.

sirthisthickkal:


The bolded really shows you always tend to see Gej's display of stupidity as naivety, due to your deliberate sentimental attachment to his stupidity. You always bend the facts to appease your ego and solidarity to a thief . Concrete evidence shows that dansuki and his partners in crime lavished billions of naira for their selfish interest, and You are here telling us it was not exactly looting. So what other names can we call it? Stocking? Or piling? You must be confused. If i were you, i would remove my ego and sentiments from the equation and judge this situation dispassionately.

kaboninc:


For god's sake, Oga cash can be carried around for very legitimate business in any form. Suitcases or tankers.

The most important thing is that it is a legitimate business transaction. Electronic transfers are preferred to check mate illicit flows of cash; after all I could funnel funds through legitmste means for an illegitimate business transaction.

theV0ice:


Why not go ahead and give the answers my friend??

Was the money "looted"?

What was the source of the fund?

Were they budgeted security wide votes?

I'm sure you also know and realise that under very serious and fraudulent circumstances, the NSA's office can be converted to directorate of finance of a presidential election hiding under the cover of ''procuring weapons to prosecute a war"?

kaboninc:


Because you can't provide the answers you end up tossing around.

Your last paragraph is your imagination. What's the link between funding for electoral campaign and purchase of weapons? Are the weapons going to be used in voting?

Please stop dancing to the music in the market square else you don forget you have a house. If there are evidences that the monies budgeted or approved for purchase of weapons were not used, and there are documents to show that the funds were actually for the weapons, they should charge him and do the needful

theV0ice:


Kabonic! Kabonic!! Kabonic!!! how many times did i call you??

Don't descend into the idiocy that runs rampant on this site. How does that guys response and this your response relate to my first response to the OP?

Go back to that post which you also quoted earlier and see why that the guy whom you're supporting is nothing but a dunce

kaboninc:


Maybe you should take your own advice.

My point is simple, clear and concise. Cash can be carried around in suitcases for legitimate transactions especially security related.

theV0ice:


why not. Dasuki could have even carried it in his wife's hijab.

So after reading my post, you still think my grouse is with the mode of transportation??

kaboninc:


Lol.

What's your grouse?

theV0ice:


i guess the funds to Bafarawa and other regional GEJ campaign coordinators was also to procure weapons??

My dear, give the answers if you have them.

kaboninc:


Did you see a memo for the procurement of weapons which was later diverted?

Besides, Yuguda said he transfer on the orders of the NSA...since when did he start taking orders from the NSA? Who's account? An account belonging to the NSA...if so was he a signatory? Or an account owned by the Ministry of Finance?

Lol.

theV0ice:



now you're dancing around.

was N100M transferred to Bafarawa to also buy weapons?

MizMyColi:
Where is Be remx and Pass ingshot?

What about TheV oice, St Ola and Ra wani?

Ehen, Obailala, where are you?

Don't tell me you're avoiding this thread.

Now would be a good time to give Nigerians an expose on the questions asked above.

theV0ice:
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You guys, especially you, have your minds made up and are only too happy to see things go worse. So i'm sure you celebrate when you queue for 5 hours to buy fuel or when you buy it at N150 if you don't like to queue while conveniently forgetting that part of the subsidy paid last week was arrears from August 2014. In as much as i'm not happy with the pace, I'LL FOREVER BE HAPPY AND PROUD THAT I WAS PART OF THOSE WHO HELPED A MAN WHO WAS TOO WEAK AND TOO TIMID TO STOP HIS FRIENDS AND SUBORDINATES FROM MESSING UP HIS GOVT.

It wasn't his fault anyway....Na OBJ Satan go punish for forcing him on the sick Yar'adua.

my write up is long....i hope you take the time to read it.

cheers ‎

For reasons very personal to me, I decided to stop positive affirmation of any individual in this section. ‎If I have any positive opinion about anyone, I stomach it and pass it away at the loo. But you have earned it, so here goes...

‎Unlike most Buharists I know (except you have an account with which you use to perpetrate evil on here), you seem different. You are not insultive. I wonder why that is though. I guess I'm this surprised because, I'm at a place in my life journey where I've decided to let out negative energies..both those I've held back and those that come in fresh...so sometimes, I deliberately sound provoked/provocative so I can use someone as target practice. You are/were one of them, but you actually got me feeling comfortable arguing with you. It felt like a dream I must wake up from.
I'm almost tempted to request that we become e-friends, but NO ..... I will resist the urge.‎ The few Buharist friendships I've forged here haven't panned out so well. Nothing's gon take me down that road again.
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I've held this perception for a while now, that MOST Buharists are bilish, vituperative, hateful and hypocritical. Always insultive.
You seem different.
Kudos.

Now Let's go back to fighting, Shall We?

Mister (Since you're not Mr Man and Young Man), if you notice, I did not bother quoting all your GEJ tantrums. This thread is not about GEJ, it is about APC and the way forward. We agree they have a lot on their plate. The former administration didn't quite perform up to expected expectation, that's why change was voted in.

If you follow my comments on here, you'll notice that I admitted that my preference for Jonathan was more personal cum emotional/ideological than informed/logical.
The reason is because, from the get go, I never quite saw Buhari or GEJ as the solution to Nigeria's problems. 
It was during post 2015 elections that I developed this respect and loyalty towards GEJ, mainly due to his utterances which he backed up with action.

On the whole saga/scandal...I have made my position known in another forum where I participate actively too. I refused posting here because of the crass insensitivity and hypocrisy of the Sai Chanters.‎ If you saw it, you'd be shocked and eat this word of yours >>>"You guys, especially you, have your minds made up and are only too happy to see things go worse. "‎

I kinda feel sad admitting that GEJ was politically weak and non assertive. But it is what it is and we have to move on.
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God forbid!
God forbid that I wish this nation ill.
God forbid that I'm happy at the turn of events.
Perchance, is that how you would have felt if GEJ had won? Would you have wished that Nigeria goes up in shambles just to prove that you were right all along for disbelieving in GEJ? ‎

Genlteman, I have been in Nigeria for a while.
The crux here is that, even before elections...things weren't this bad (you and I know)...‎

So what went wrong?
What is APC and Buhari doing?
How are they going about it?
What sectors are being affected?
There's a need to know.‎

Noobshakur:
young man! So loosing $47m over 8months ago is the cause of the queue's at the filling station? unresolved Biafra protests, 600+ days of missing Chibok girls, Boko haram bombing, 260 naira to a dollar, power issues After 7months of tourism, we're now down to looting investigation which ought to be done by EFCC and other intelligent groups....test of credible elections nko? workers being dropped everyday nko? Wake UP na!!!

obailala:
The number you're calling is currently busy enjoying a nice sunday evening, please try again later. However before you go, kindly ruminate one this question, "Is there any current bad economic indices which wasnt equally bad as at May 29th when the hero of lootoctacy handed over the rickety vehicle of state to PMB?"

As at May 29th, the GDP growth rate was worse than it is currently, the fuel scarcity was worse than it is currently, the foreign reserve was worse than it is presently, the exchange rate was same as it is currently and all these indices took a nosedive in less than 6 months of the oil price crash under the lootocracy overseen by the hero.

Please my dear MizmyColi, I am not willing to spoil the taste of this barbecued tilapia before me by responding to someone feigning ignorance of who the real culprits of our predicaments are. Please try and enjoy your evening.

theV0ice:


I checked you're not the OP. If it's diversionary to you, pls ignore it.

You're not under any compulsion to comment my friend.

Rawani:


I believe we have addressed these issues in the recent past...

The challenges are immense, but you should recognize, appreciate and acknowledge the degree of the rot you handed over as well.

Who failed to solve the electricity problem which we have inherited, and failed to restore the refineries and instead wasted billions of dollars in scam off-shore processing agreements which Diezani and co. used to fleece this country, ultimately causing perennial fuel scarcities all through his tenure? The aftermath is what we live with today.

Who failed to diversify our economy from oil in the time of oil-price boom, and emptied our foreign reserves through a combination of corruption and incapacity to lead which ended in him being tricked by his governors to share the SWF? The DIRECT aftermath of these are the economic troubles we are facing today under low oil prices, and high exchange rates which our efforts to control is resulting in our ejection from bond indexes.

Who supervised the looting and  mismanagement of of the defence budget through his aides (Dasuki n co.) which seriously hampered the fight against BH, and resulted in the loss of thousands of lives? The failure to fight the terrorists with political will and sincerity, resulted in their blossoming and is the reason we are still fighting them today.

You see, while we are not blind to the realities that face us today, its is an insult to conscience, logic and common sense for the same set of people that wanted all of the above and more to continue till 2019, to come and pontificate about good governance while condemning a President that inherited these challenges just seven months ago. 

Put simply, you lack the moral capital to admonish or condemn Buhari or Buharists.

Enjoy your evening  .

 
1. Who handed what over?
What are you saying? Did you see me campaign for Jonathan? Did you see me tell anyone anywhere that he is the solution to Nigeria's problem? 
I knew from the word go that Jona and Buhari were misfits for the job. I only chose a lesser devil.
[kindly refer to a previous post on this thread on what informed the choice I made in Jonathan]. 

Agreed there was rot, sleaze and corruption, as equally obtainable in APC governed states pre and post 2015. What is the way forward?‎

2. ‎He failed to solve electricity problems but did a lot in terms of building energy infrastructure which the current government is consolidating on. Rawani, name one masses-centric Buharistic achievement without GEJ's smile plastered all over it...I'm waiting.

3. Lies! ‎
It was towards the end of GEJ's tenure that I saw fuel scarcity...as in real fuel scarcity. The reason was because‎ the markets created the scarcity because they felt the new government would not pay them what they were owed, so the plan was to recoup all they would have lost. During December last year, was there fuel scarcity? Buhari complained that Nigeirans should not be sleeping in fuel stations, but under his watch, Nigerians not only sleep, they wine and dine in fuel stations

4. More lies!
For the first time under GEJ, we had automobile companies re-setup shop. We saw our foods cheaper.‎ Railways received life, our airports wore a new look, we had better roads, I could go on and on....yet, even with these, I still feel that Jona didn't perform upto expected expectations.
Pray tell, what has Buhari done, what is he doing?

5. Well, you are right, unfortunately, I am not in that category. I have called out the GEJ led FG for their impunity, I have expressed my disappointment. Buhari has won, 7 months ago. Now, Whether as the proposition or opposition, we all have a herculean task of Nation building before us.

6. I will do same criticism and more as far as Buhari is concerned whenever I think there's a need to.
I am a tax paying bonafide Nigerian, he and all my leaders are accountable‎ to me, whether I voted them or not...capisce?
After all, no one has told me to stop paying taxes because I didn't vote Buhari‎

CltrAltDel:

Try get sense small

AMBIVERT:
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For reasons very personal to me, I decided to stop positive affirmation of any individual in this section. ‎If I have any positive opinion about anyone, I stomach it and pass it away at the loo. But you have earned it, so here goes...

Now Let's go back to fighting, Shall We?


Mister (Since you're not Mr Man and Young Man), if you notice, I did not bother quoting all your GEJ tantrums. This thread is not about GEJ, it is about APC and the way forward. We agree they have a lot on their plate. The former administration didn't quite perform up to expected expectation, that's why change was voted in.

If you follow my comments on here, you'll notice that I admitted that my preference for Jonathan was more personal cum emotional/ideological than informed/logical.
The reason is because, from the get go, I never quite saw Buhari or GEJ as the solution to Nigeria's problems. 
It was during post 2015 elections that I developed this respect and loyalty towards GEJ, mainly due to his utterances which he backed up with action.

On the whole saga/scandal...I have made my position known in another forum where I participate actively too. I refused posting here because of the crass insensitivity and hypocrisy of the Sai Chanters.‎ If you saw it, you'd be shocked and eat this word of yours >>>"You guys, especially you, have your minds made up and are only too happy to see things go worse. "‎

I kinda feel sad admitting that GEJ was politically weak and non assertive. But it is what it is and we have to move on.
‎
God forbid!
God forbid that I wish this nation ill.
God forbid that I'm happy at the turn of events.
Perchance, is that how you would have felt if GEJ had won? Would you have wished that Nigeria goes up in shambles just to prove that you were right all along for disbelieving in GEJ? ‎

Genlteman, I have been in Nigeria for a while.
The crux here is that, even before elections...things weren't this bad (you and I know)...‎

So what went wrong?
What is APC and Buhari doing?
How are they going about it?
What sectors are being affected?
There's a need to know.‎
‎

krusdamax:


"He who goes to equity must go with clean hands"
Help me understand why you "commented" ab initio, mindful of the fact that you are the Op.... Oops did I say you are not the op?

theV0ice:


Small boy....

This discussion is higher than your pay grade. Go meet your colleagues in your play pen

Mynd44:

All this was done without the knowledge of our hero and the most humane politician of our time.

He must have not known