Noobshakur:
lol...omo Afar na? see mugu oh...e dey tell me mk I get sense...u dn baff? abheg go watch Africa magic or go play with sand....ur mate nor dey here o

CltrAltDel:

Gbam. ....I owe u anoda plate of barbecued tilapia.......next weekend

AMBIVERT:


 
1. Who handed what over?
What are you saying? Did you see me campaign for Jonathan? Did you see me tell anyone anywhere that he is the solution to Nigeria's problem? 
I knew from the word go that Jona and Buhari were misfits for the job. I only chose a lesser devil.
[kindly refer to a previous post on this thread on what informed the choice I made in Jonathan]. 

Agreed there was rot, sleaze and corruption, as equally obtainable in APC governed states pre and post 2015. What is the way forward?‎

2. ‎He failed to solve electricity problems but did a lot in terms of building energy infrastructure which the current government is consolidating on. Rawani, name one masses-centric Buharistic achievement without GEJ's smile plastered all over it...I'm waiting.

3. Lies! ‎
It was towards the end of GEJ's tenure that I saw fuel scarcity...as in real fuel scarcity. The reason was because‎ the markets created the scarcity because they felt the new government would not pay them what they were owed, so the plan was to recoup all they would have lost. During December last year, was there fuel scarcity? Buhari complained that Nigeirans should not be sleeping in fuel stations, but under his watch, Nigerians not only sleep, they wine and dine in fuel stations

4. More lies!
For the first time under GEJ, we had automobile companies re-setup shop. We saw our foods cheaper.‎ Railways received life, our airports wore a new look, we had better roads, I could go on and on....yet, even with these, I still feel that Jona didn't perform upto expected expectations.
Pray tell, what has Buhari done, what is he doing?

5. Well, you are right, unfortunately, I am not in that category. I have called out the GEJ led FG for their impunity, I have expressed my disappointment. Buhari has won, 7 months ago. Now, Whether as the proposition or opposition, we all have a herculean task of Nation building before us.

6. I will do same criticism and more as far as Buhari is concerned whenever I think there's a need to.
I am a tax paying bonafide Nigerian, he and all my leaders are accountable‎ to me, whether I voted them or not...capisce?
After all, no one has told me to stop paying taxes because I didn't vote Buhari‎
‎

AMBIVERT:
‎


If you follow my comments on here, you'll notice that I admitted that my preference for Jonathan was more personal cum emotional/ideological than informed/logical.
The reason is because, from the get go, I never quite saw Buhari or GEJ as the solution to Nigeria's problems. 
It was during post 2015 elections that I developed this respect and loyalty towards GEJ, mainly due to his utterances which he backed up with action.


‎

theV0ice:


Dear wise man...ask the OP why she mentioned my moniker and invited me to come and comment

Rawani:


I believe we have addressed these issues in the recent past...

The challenges are immense, but you should recognize, appreciate and acknowledge the degree of the rot you handed over as well.

Who failed to solve the electricity problem which we have inherited, and failed to restore the refineries and instead wasted billions of dollars in scam off-shore processing agreements which Diezani and co. used to fleece this country, ultimately causing perennial fuel scarcities all through his tenure? The aftermath is what we live with today.

Who failed to diversify our economy from oil in the time of oil-price boom, and emptied our foreign reserves through a combination of corruption and incapacity to lead which ended in him being tricked by his governors to share the SWF? The DIRECT aftermath of these are the economic troubles we are facing today under low oil prices, and high exchange rates which our efforts to control is resulting in our ejection from bond indexes.

Who supervised the looting and mismanagement of of the defence budget through his aides (Dasuki n co.) which seriously hampered the fight against BH, and resulted in the loss of thousands of lives? The failure to fight the terrorists with political will and sincerity, resulted in their blossoming and is the reason we are still fighting them today.

You see, while we are not blind to the realities that face us today, its is an insult to conscience, logic and common sense for the same set of people that wanted all of the above and more to continue till 2019, to come and pontificate about good governance while condemning a President that inherited these challenges just seven months ago.

Put simply, you lack the moral capital to admonish or condemn Buhari or Buharists.

Enjoy your evening .

PassingShot:

MizMyColi, expect no further response on this topic from me. It's no longer worth the time having read what my comrades have inked for you.

I will pray for you to be able to rise above irresponsible partisanship because it surprises sane minds that despite revelations of looting that make the world cring and wonder if the looters were human beings, a somewhat reasonable person like you will still be talking as you do.

Accept my sympathy dear.

MizMyColi:


That said, ‎I believe that some of these funds you lot term looted weren't looted actually... But due to leadership decisions by Jonathan which maybe buhari in his thoughts thinks inadequate, he will term same fraud...
‎
Leaders make decisions especially when under threat security wise...without waiting for house appropriation...(the clandestine purchase of arms and weaponry come to mind).
‎
So legally Dasuki can pass on...but because Buhari wants him down, so he may find it difficult.
‎
In governance, decision taking whether right or wrong isn't a crime.‎

Whatever decision taken by Jonathan was for Nigeria interest no matter how flawed it may appear.‎

krusdamax:


Now I can ask the OP, but wait, before I do that, I am struggling to comprehend why the OP invited ALL who "must have commented" on this thread.

I can't help but start counting from you. When I'm done, trust I will ask the OP the obvious.

Anyways, the OP's question remains unanswered, though some few thoughtful commenters have given it a shot.


#Peace

MizMyColi:
Where is Beremx and Passingshot?

What about TheVoice, StOla and Rawani?

Ehen, Obailala, where are you?

Don't tell me you're avoiding this thread.

Now would be a good time to give Nigerians an expose on the questions asked above.

AMBIVERT:
@TheV0ice

Wo, argument ti sun mi jarey
Loolz
Let's just agree to disagree.
At least for tonight.

I'm sure you're aware Coli's serving a ban, ey?

MizMyColi:


Hehehehe

You lot see women as feeble and emotional even my font type looks emotional, so I'm not surprised that you can't reason beyond that to see that I've asked Valid and Commensensical questions.

As for the scandals rocking certain individuals in our ‎polity, they remain innocent until proven guilty and jailed through a competent court of law.
‎
That said, ‎I believe that some of these funds you lot term looted weren't looted actually... But due to leadership decisions by Jonathan which maybe buhari in his thoughts thinks inadequate, he will term same fraud...
‎
Leaders make decisions especially when under threat security wise...without waiting for house appropriation...(the clandestine purchase of arms and weaponry come to mind).
‎
So legally Dasuki can pass on...but because Buhari wants him down, so he may find it difficult.
‎
I believe some money was stolen but it is far below the figures they are taunting around
‎
Btw,  why is that stories like this come up whenever there's an economic mess coming up... So APC can use it to shield themselves from blame? And to divert attention‎?
‎
What if the aim of all this is for APC to make PDP look bad?‎
Aren't we all playing into their game if we appear self-defeatist?
‎
That's it exactly!! Make PDP the fall guy...when as a matter of fact, there are worse shameless looters in APC masquerading as Navigators, Ministers and Chieftains.
‎
In governance, decision taking whether right or wrong isn't a crime.‎
Whatever decision taken by Jonathan was for Nigeria interest no matter how flawed it may appear.‎
‎
Not taking decision at all is what is a crime.
‎
That's why Jonathan can not go to jail unless under some unscrupulous script by VERY HIGHLY powerful beings greater than him, including Okonjo Iweala.

That said, I will shave all my eyebrows, go without make up for days, and plait irun kiko on my head AND apologise profusely if Buhari prosecutes the likes of Tinubu, OBJ and Amaechi.‎

theV0ice:


My friend, stop sweating it. A simple check would have spared you all this rigmarolling. see where she invited me



Hope you'll let me be now?

theV0ice:




There you go again...what has being female got to do with the emotional basis of your thread?? Remember you and i went down this road some few days ago when you opened a similar thread asking for where Buhari kept N334B you believed he skimmed off the N713.7B bailout money?? Of course you and i eventually arrived at the same conclusion: BUHARI DIDN'T STEAL ANYTHING FROM THE BAILOUT MONEY. I advised you then to always exercise patience in situations like this.

During the era of Idi Amin Dada in Uganda, They had an economic crises with inflation at 700%. You know what Idi Amin's order was to the Central bank governor? PRINT MORE CASH!!. And of course printing more cash without the economic fundamentals to back it up leads to gross distortion in the fiscal and monetary environment of a nation.

The problem with the GEJ govt isn't just the looting. They looted under OBJ too. It wasn't improper handling of security votes....every politician does that. the most damaging feature of the GEJ years was the MINDLESSNESS with which they did their looting without regard for it's effect on our monetary policy or fiscal well being. Dasuki woke up one day and requested $47M CASH and Emefiele simply created an expense head for it in CBN and voila....the cash was delivered. How was that sum factored into the cash in circulation at that time? Dasuki came again and said he needed N10B for party faithfuls and Emefiele obliged. What damage do you think that did to whatever monetary policy was in place at that time? All these at a time when GEJ ANNOUNCED THAT HE WAS INSTITUTING TECHNOLOGY THAT WOULD ENSURE THAT THE YAMS ARE SEPARATED FROM THE GOATS!!? I don't know how true, but my former colleague who is now a zonal operations head at one of the banks in abuja said they ran out of dollars some weeks to the elections because of excess mopping up.

The last time we had such was under Abacha with ISMAILA GWARZO, the then NSA but even at that, it wasn't this much and Abacha as wicked as he was ensured only a select few had access to the yams then. GEJ your hero gave every willing goats duplicate keys to the barn so much so that they ran out of names to use that Bafarawa tagged his own ''for spiritual purposes". They didn't even need to come ask him anymore. Just go there and collect your own.

I'm not happy with the current govt. I believe they are slow. I want things to move at a faster pace but it's only someone with his/her head too deep into his/her ass that will expect any miracle with oil, our only source of FX, down to 25% of its value of a year ago. This budget was drawn on the basis of $65/barrel. Can you tell me how much oil is being sold now? Has Buhari drawn up his own budget?

You guys, especially you, have your minds made up and are only too happy to see things go worse. So i'm sure you celebrate when you queue for 5 hours to buy fuel or when you buy it at N150 if you don't like to queue while conveniently forgetting that part of the subsidy paid last week was arrears from August 2014. In as much as i'm not happy with the pace, I'LL FOREVER BE HAPPY AND PROUD THAT I WAS PART OF THOSE WHO HELPED PUSH OUT A MAN WHO WAS TOO WEAK AND TOO TIMID TO STOP HIS FRIENDS AND SUBORDINATES FROM MESSING UP HIS GOVT.

It wasn't his fault anyway....Na OBJ Satan go punish for forcing him on the sick Yar'adua.

my write up is long....i hope you take the time to read it.

cheers

theV0ice:


The problem with the GEJ govt isn't just the looting. They looted under OBJ too. It wasn't improper handling of security votes....every politician does that. the most damaging feature of the GEJ years was the MINDLESSNESS with which they did their looting without regard for it's effect on our monetary policy or fiscal well being. Dasuki woke up one day and requested $47M CASH and Emefiele simply created an expense head for it in CBN and voila....the cash was delivered. How was that sum factored into the cash in circulation at that time? Dasuki came again and said he needed N10B for party faithfuls and Emefiele obliged. What damage do you think that did to whatever monetary policy was in place at that time? All these at a time when GEJ ANNOUNCED THAT HE WAS INSTITUTING TECHNOLOGY THAT WOULD ENSURE THAT THE YAMS ARE SEPARATED FROM THE GOATS!!? I don't know how true, but my former colleague who is now a zonal operations head at one of the banks in abuja said they ran out of dollars some weeks to the elections because of excess mopping up.

I'm not happy with the current govt. I believe they are slow. I want things to move at a faster pace but it's only someone with his/her head too deep into his/her ass that will expect any miracle with oil, our only source of FX, down to 25% of its value of a year ago. This budget was drawn on the basis of $65/barrel. Can you tell me how much oil is being sold now? Has Buhari drawn up his own budget?

You guys, especially you, have your minds made up and are only too happy to see things go worse. So i'm sure you celebrate when you queue for 5 hours to buy fuel or when you buy it at N150 if you don't like to queue while conveniently forgetting that part of the subsidy paid last week was arrears from August 2014. In as much as i'm not happy with the pace, I'LL FOREVER BE HAPPY AND PROUD THAT I WAS PART OF THOSE WHO HELPED PUSH OUT A MAN WHO WAS TOO WEAK AND TOO TIMID TO STOP HIS FRIENDS AND SUBORDINATES FROM MESSING UP HIS GOVT.

It wasn't his fault anyway....Na OBJ Satan go punish for forcing him on the sick Yar'adua.

my write up is long....i hope you take the time to read it.

cheers

The last time we had such was under Abacha with ISMAILA GWARZO, the then NSA but even at that, it wasn't this much and Abacha as wicked as he was ensured only a select few had access to the yams then. GEJ your hero gave every willing goats duplicate keys to the barn so much so that they ran out of names to use that Bafarawa tagged his own ''for spiritual purposes". They didn't even need to come ask him anymore. Just go there and collect your own.

Rawani:
Do you honestly expect any further responses from any sane rational mind, despite the admitted fact that your affinity for Jonathan and his administration is not based on logic/rationality/common sense but emotion and sentiments? Especially taking cognizance of the fact that the essence of this thread is comparative?

Sorry miz, I speak logic, not estrogen.

C'monn Rawani, don't be silly!!!

1. Every sane mind takes decisions based on the rational or irrational; emotions inclusive. Logic is not a bad thing, emotions isn't either. Where it's necessary, both are applied...
Matter of fact, we are emotional beings and as such required to possess emotional intelligence.‎
Denigrating anyone who shows controlled emotion is insanity on the part of the denigrator.
Are you insane?‎

2. That I support GEJ for more personal cum emotional/ideological than informed/logical reasons does not mean I do not have any logical reason for supporting‎ him. I am being humble enough to admit that if I were to go strictly logical/informed....GEJ and DMB do not and CANNOT pass the test. So I compromised.
Doesn't mean I've lost my sense of rationality.
‎

It is a fact and on record that GEJ is the only president Post independence who fostered democratic tenets and ideologies. GEJ is one president who gave women a BIG chance in governance. For the first time, Nigerians have access to any information concerning governance via the FOI bill...
GEJ transformed our educational institutions..
For the first time, our imports reduced by 30-40% Agricultural production went on a rise. Educational and business friendly policies were introduced. YOUWIN was masses centric and it was accessible to just about anyone. From 4000 kilometres of roads to 25000 kilometers of roads...even my neighbourhood wasn't left out in the transformation process. So when I say I support the man, I have tangible and Intangible reasons...capisce?

3.‎ This thread is not comparative. We have admitted the rot and sleaze in the GEJ led FG, now we want to know what APC is doing to move us forward.

When you say I have no moral ground to question this administration, I ask you, do they have a moral ground for taxing me and the members of my family?

Mister, stop your evasion tactic and answer the questions in the OP and the ones I've just included.

Estrogen ko; Homotestosterone ni

theV0ice:


Yeah we agree to disagree

It occurred to me much later after i penned the response to AMBIVERT.

If you wish to see decree 4 that you accuse Buhari for, look no further than NL

Good Morning.

Rawani:


I believe we have addressed these issues in the recent past...

The challenges are immense, but you should recognize, appreciate and acknowledge the degree of the rot you handed over as well.

[s]Who failed to solve the electricity problem[/s] which we have inherited, and [s]failed to restore the refineries and instead wasted billions of dollars in scam off-shore processing agreements which Diezani and co. used to fleece this country, ultimately causing perennial fuel scarcities all through his tenure? The aftermath is what we live with today.[/s]

Who failed to diversify our economy from oil in the time of oil-price boom, and [s]emptied our foreign reserves through a combination of corruption and incapacity to lead which ended in him being tricked by his governors to share the SWF? The DIRECT aftermath of these are the economic troubles we are facing today under low oil prices, and high exchange rates which our efforts to control is resulting in our ejection from bond indexes.[/s]

[s]Who supervised the looting and mismanagement of of the defence budget through his aides (Dasuki n co.) which seriously hampered the fight against BH, and resulted in the loss of thousands of lives? The failure to fight the terrorists with political will and sincerity, resulted in their blossoming and is the reason we are still fighting them today[/s].

MizMyColi:
What we need is a total overhaul. An overhaul in the faces and operators of our government.
Period!

This question is directed at my Sai Chanting Buharist Brothers...

If PDP looted Nigeria dry and things found a way to work...at least, better than what we have now, what then is wrong? Why isn't there a change now that there are no more "looters"

Don't even quote me to tell me APC is cleaning shiit or mess, else I will dash you an e-slap

But if you insist, kindly tell me how they are cleaning this mess.
What exactly are they doing? What are the indices to judge what they've mopped up so far, also tell us the expected or existing impact on the masses as far as the cleaning is concerned.

Whenever there's a cleaning going on, it is expected that progress would be made, and no matter how miniscule, the affected parts feel it. Pray tell, what is the word on the streets today? Is there any sector of the populace genuinely applauding Buhari?

Answers Please.
Thanks.

kaboninc:


Failed to do what? Please stop spreading lies......



Lool......

That's what they do. Emptied our foreign reserves? What are the components of the reserves? He was being tricked by his governors to share the SWF? The governors led by Amaechi? The DG of the APC Presidential Campaign Organization?



[s]You see, while we are not blind to the realities that face us today, its is an insult to conscience, logic and common sense for the same set of people that wanted all of the above and more to continue till 2019, to come and pontificate about good governance while condemning a President that inherited these challenges just seven months ago.

Put simply, you lack the moral capital to admonish or condemn Buhari or Buharists[/s].

Enjoy your evening .

You really should check yourself.

joseph1832:
I still find it hard to believe that one who claim to be 100 percent compos mentis actually believe that 16 years of rot and decay can be changed within 7 months...

AMBIVERT:
C'monn Rawani, don't be silly!!!
Are you insane?‎

AMBIVERT:

1. Every sane mind takes decisions based on the rational or irrational; emotions inclusive. Logic is not a bad thing, emotions isn't either. Where it's necessary, both are applied...
Matter of fact, we are emotional beings and as such required to possess emotional intelligence.‎
Denigrating anyone who shows controlled emotion is insanity on the part of the denigrator.

Rawani:
What exactly is your argument?

kaboninc:


My point is stop spreading lies.

An administration that failed to provide electricity...but some months back, you were the chairman of the praise singer's group taking the glory for no effort of yours because there was relatively stable power supply in this administration.

Today the power supply has gone down you're back to your usual "who failed to supply electricity" chorus.

See why its a waste of time to even consider the hypocrisy that comes out when you make your comments?

AMBIVERT:


Shove your Latin down your throat, Mr cosmopenticus, and answer the question.

It is expected that no matter how miniscule, a sector of the populace ought to be feeling the cleaning.

joseph1832:
And shove your ignorance up your narrow butt! what is expected? That within just 7 months you guys are expecting a sort of miracle to happen, despite the rot and decay? Why am I not suprised. "An ignorant mind can never understand the gravity of atrocity committed"

And to indulge you my simple minded friend and to answer the emboldened, the corrupt sector are truly feeling the clean up! Those who have looted are no longer dancing in the Sun, unlike they did during the last administration.

Nonsense! Tribalism and bitterness will never allow some of you to see what's in front of you.

OZAOEKPE:

WE NOT ASKING FOR MIRACLES, TAKE OUR NAIRA TO DALLAS BACK TO #190, THAT WOULD BE FINE?

joseph1832:
If that's what you want, that's not what I want, I want steady electricity, good roads, water and jobs for my fellow Nigerians.

Anybody who can't provide this will never be voted by me, that's why I'll say it that should the time come and PMB proves without doubt that he's no better than GEJ, then I'll lampoon him the way I did GEJ, without regret or remorse, then I'll vote him against him.

You see, unlike you guys, I don't tolerate failure, especially one that has to do with the lives of my fellow countryman. Anybody who clearly knows he or she can't lead shouldn't be putting his or her head there. Plain and simple.

Rawani:
Are you suggesting that you handed over a working power sector which was mishandled by this administration? Can you deny the fact that the looting of our reserves, and the irresponsible cum irrational levels of corruption by the last administration, are the DIRECT causes for our economic challenges today? Or can you deny that the fact that we are still fighting BH today is because of GEJ/Dasuki's criminal financial recklessness and lack of political will?

Hypocrisy, my friend, is noisily expecting to reap an apple after sowing a crusty mustard seed.

OZAOEKPE:

2019 NO FAR AGAIN

joseph1832:
Then I employ you to wait and stop sounding like your usual self.

OZAOEKPE:

I AM ON THE MOUNTAIN, I DONT WANT TO FALL DOWN. GOD BLESS YOU............?