italo:

You're the one suggest equality with God not me.

What you said was that "Mary is not like God, can never be like God, will never be like God."

While the Bible says 'Mary is like God.'

Who should we believe? You or the Holy Spirit.

italo:

Heb12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, 23 and to the assembly[g] of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

Is the Holy Spirit lying in that verse?

ByfireByfire:


Your own shallow understanding falls short. Those in eternity are not constrained by time and space... agreed ! But do they possess God's exclusive ability of omnipresence? Can one of them be in a million places at the same time? The answer is NO!!

ByfireByfire:


Catholics project Mary as both an intercessor and a mediator. Functions that belong exclusively to The Holy Ghost and Christ Jesus. Believers in Christ that are yet alive can also intercede for each other and we are admonished to pray for one another but there is no record from Genesis to revelation where anyone ever prayed(as a pattern) or was commanded by God to pray through saints that have passed on to glory.

ByfireByfire:



Saul the king of Israel tried it and it was accounted to him for divination. 1 sam. 28:8,9

italo:


Are you saying that anything that cannot be found in the bible wasn't said by Jesus?

Everything that Jesus said is in the Bible?

italo:


1.))) Can the Saints see/hear what is happening on earth?

2.))) Which one is it? Only the Holy Spirit and Jesus are mediators and intercessors...or The Holy Spirit, Jesus and believers?

3.))) Are the Saints alive or dead?



You need to learn what 'divination with the help of a witch' is. You're criticizing in ignorance.

dhateeboi:


Luke 4:41 and Luke 9:20-21
Jesus refused son of God all called himself son of man
Either of these two must be wrong
the bible disseminating directly opposite messages, Holy?
To give clarity to the one that is most likely wrong, let me show u something.
Jesus wasn't the only son of God according to the bible
Exodus 4:22, God called all Israel my son
II Samuel 7:13-14 or I Chronicles 22:10
Jeremiah 31:9 Deuteronomy 14:1
Actually from above God has two first born
Ephraim and isreal(jacob)
Jesus wasn't even the first born
Now if bible refer to Israel as the Son of God, likewise Ephraim as the Son of God, why is it that only jesus is referred to as the Son even when he isn't the first born.

johnw74:


God has many sons
Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God:

Joh_1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Joh_1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Joh_3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh_3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Heb_11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
1Jn_4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

ByfireByfire:


Your own shallow understanding falls short. Those in eternity are not constrained by time and space... agreed ! But do they possess God's exclusive ability of omnipresence? Can one of them be in a million places at the same time? The answer is NO!!


Catholics project Mary as both an intercessor and a mediator. Functions that belong exclusively to The Holy Ghost and Christ Jesus. Believers in Christ that are yet alive can also intercede for each other and we are admonished to pray for one another but there is no record from Genesis to revelation where anyone ever prayed(as a pattern) or was commanded by God to pray through saints that have passed on to glory. Saul the king of Israel tried it and it was accounted to him for divination. 1 sam. 28:8,9

ByfireByfire:


Stop pretending as though you don't already understand this matter. You tried to make Mary equal to God by making her an intercessor and mediator and giving her all manner of reference reserved only for God. I simply showed you that she and all other Saints are like God in nature and holiness but never never ever like God in power, authority, omniscience and the rest.

ByfireByfire:

Just pretend as though you don't know that this Scripture you quoted said nothing whatsoever to refute my comment you bolded.

When 1 billion Catholics pray the prayers don't enter the presence of God, angels and saints at the same time

dhateeboi:

Ofcosh not..
kindly tell me where else we can find things said by Jesus?

And wait... why not follow the said he vividly said in the Bible before looking for some somewhere?

ByfireByfire:


1. A saint in heaven can see and hear what's happening on earth but not all at the same time. That will be omniscience which they don't possess. Stop putting me on repeat. If I just know you are playing games I cease to reply.

ByfireByfire:

2. I made the matter very clear. The focal point is that Mary is neither of both which is what you should be bothered with.

italo:


If Jesus said things outside the bible and you don't know those things, then you cannot claim that he never said "Christianity" and "3-in-1 God."

Period.

dhateeboi:



You don't know those things and u can never claim that he said those things!!

No proof that he said it

and when there's isn't!!
Y do or follow such things

italo:


He never said that we should only use the words that he mentioned.

If you think he did, show me where he said so.

dhateeboi:


Lolz,

I Thessalonians 5:21 :- Prove all things hold fast that which is good

Why then do something out of ur self will?
why do something when there's isn't a clear proof Jesus did it or want u to do it?

And anything that is confusing, as in the bible said YES about something and equally NO in some other chapter....
To be free of errors, one should avoid them totally!!
Never should a Holy book contain errors!

dhateeboi:


Lolz,

I Thessalonians 5:21 :- Prove all things hold fast that which is good

Why then do something out of ur self will?
why do something when there's isn't a clear proof Jesus did it or want u to do it?

And anything that is confusing, as in the bible said YES about something and equally NO in some other chapter....
To be free of errors, one should avoid them totally!!
Never should a Holy book contain errors!

italo:


1. Jesus never said we should not do something out of self will...or that we shouldn't do something if there's no clear proof that he commanded it in the bible....

2. What we are doing is not confusing. It may be confusing to you though.

3. The bible doesn't contain errors.

PastorAIO:
Ol boi, you are confusing yourself.

First. Who told you that he did not test/examine/proof what he is talking about?

Second. The statement is precisely about prophecies. The church is prophetic and people will prophesy things that are not in the bible. The passage says that such things should be tested and what is good should be kept.

Third. The bible itself says in the last days God will pour out his spirit on all flesh and sons and daughters will prophesy and old people will dream dreams. So for you to reject such a prophecy which is from God because it is not in the bible is tantamount to rejecting God and even rejecting your precious bible which mentioned the opening of the floodgates of spirit.

Spirits must be tested. If people properly tested spirits rather than spout nonsense like 'touch not my anointed' when their pastors and churches are criticised then Worldwide 'christianity' wouldn't be such a joke.

dhateeboi:



1. you claim to follow jesus but u don't need his guidance or words from him before u do things regarding the religion?

and u really follow jesus?
and he has to tell u not to do things he didn't say b4 u know u shouldn't?

dhateeboi:



2. The bible do not contain errors, it only contain contradicting verses. right?

dhateeboi:


1. Does the bible describe how you'll get to know the real dreamers??

2. Are u to follow the dreamers even when they oppose some things from the bible?

3. Y does the same Holy spirit tend to lead people or pastors differently?
As the common quote of a canal mind can not understand the bible unless spirit filled. yet, spirit filled people tend to b directed differently by the same spirit

4. why do we not be somewhat direct a bit?
a bit scientific?
why holy spirit always?

PastorAIO:


Yes



Jesus opposed many things in the scriptures with the words: You have heard it said that ... so and so, BUT I SAY TO YOU ....



It is not the same spirit.




Even in scientific approach the ultimate guide is the Holy spirit.

dhateeboi:


1. Like seriously??

So all the dreamers we have nowadays are as described by the bible?

2. So even u can actually oppose jesus if the spirit guide u so??
But I guess u claim jesus to be God
Was he then wrong?

3. Like seriously?? how to know d real one??

They all say different things, does that means only one could be correct, which?

4. Then why can't u proof Holy spirit scientifically?
many arguments tend to end with;
U can't understand, unless u have the Holy spirit
is it that abnormal?

dhateeboi:



may God Almighty forgive u
so God actually reproduced and begets a being?
when bible said He sent angel Gabriel
'n God begets jesus??
doesn't it sound somehow self?

italo:
@byfirebyfire

Can God and the Angels hear billions of prayers at the same time and attend to them?

Do you believe that Mary is like God and like Angels?

italo:


Do you believe that when 1 billion Catholics pray, we are all entering the presence of God, Jesus, Angels and Saints at the same time?


So this verse is lying:

1John3:2 Dearly beloved, we are now the sons of God; and it hath not yet appeared what we shall be. We know, that, when he shall appear, we shall be like to him: because we shall see him as he is.

Millerz:
Only God can hear and answer prayers. Neither the angels nor Mary can.

if you don't know, you aren't a Christian.

Millerz:
Yes, one billion angels can enter into the presence of ''GOD" at the same time "if" they pray in the spirit. That is why God is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient.

italo:
The question was: Do you believe that when 1 billion Catholics pray, we are all entering the presence of God, Jesus, Angels and Saints at the same time?

italo:


So, according to you, when I pray, Mary and the Angels can't hear. Thank you.

Can Mary and the Angels see what is happening on earth?


Do you believe that we partake in God's divinity?

Do you believe that God's Divinity includes his omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence?

Millerz:
Do not put words into my mouth or twist my comment.
God is the only one who can answer prayers. No one else can.

Mary and the Angels can see us. Obviously as believers, we each have guardian angels. It is God that answers our prayers. The angels are mere messengers who God uses to deliver our requests unto us.

Millerz:
And the answer is thus:

one billion Christians can enter into the presence of GOD at the same time. Not the Presence of saints and angels but of God.

italo:


So you're saying the Holy Spirit was incorrect in the verse below?

Heb12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, 23 and to the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

Millerz:
Only God can hear and answer prayers. Neither the angels nor Mary can.

if you don't know, you aren't a Christian.

italo:

So, according to you, when I pray, Mary and the Angels can't hear. Thank you.

Millerz:
Do not put words into my mouth or twist my comment.
God is the only one who can answer prayers. No one else can.