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Re: Appreciating The Army-shiite Clash: Nigeria Should Be Extremely Careful by Clerverly: 10:56am On Dec 16, 2015
Needless Thread!
Re: Appreciating The Army-shiite Clash: Nigeria Should Be Extremely Careful by FOLYKAZE(m): 10:56am On Dec 16, 2015
GspotAngela:
Pig
I am a Shi'a, show me one act of aggression the Shi'a in Nigeria have committed against the Nigerian state. Sunni-inspired is running amok all over the NE and you still accuse the Sahi'a as a violent sect. Show me the weapons your thuggisn armt recovered from the Shi'a at Zaria after the incidence

Blocking the highway is against the law.

This soldiers are there to defend the territory.

And they were rounded with sticks, clubs, cutlass and very deadly weapons.

These soldiers have no other option than to open fire on the animals. They are gallant bayyle ready force and not civil defence that would part you in the back for threatening the security of the stte.

Mind you, they have done their best by pleading to the protesters to allow them pass for more than 30mins. They have acted diplomatically and given respect to the sect but such was not gievn to them. They wont have to wait either for some animals to attack them with deadly weapons first. So the had to defend themselves by attacking thr animals

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Re: Appreciating The Army-shiite Clash: Nigeria Should Be Extremely Careful by FOLYKAZE(m): 11:00am On Dec 16, 2015
Dannyset:
I don't care what the NA want to use in defence of this act, it is totally barbaric and uncalled for. It should be condemned and investigated.
You don't open fire at civilian just like that. Even in wars, it's not done that way.
I am totally against this, and I think the President need to address it.

The civilians are bloody animals wielding dangerous weapon in the face of thr gallant army. What were they about to do with cutlass, bow and arrows, club and stick?

The army had no other option after pleading to the protesters and rounded with option than to defend their convoy and chief. Attack is the best of defence. You wouldnt watch some msicreants to do their worst before you defend your side.

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Re: Appreciating The Army-shiite Clash: Nigeria Should Be Extremely Careful by jakiedudu(m): 11:06am On Dec 16, 2015
FOLYKAZE:


Mr

Stop telling us those miscreants are unarmed. They had stone, sticks, machete, bow and arrow which are weapons. These animals were battle ready and likely trying to create or erupt violence.

Have you watched the video released by the arm force?
Yes they may have stones, sticks and clubs but that is not enough reason to shoot them. The military should have maintain their positions and call the police to clear the road. Instead they choose to take matters into their hands as usual.
As a matter of fact, the claim by the army that the shiites were planning to assasinate the COAS is a lie to justify the killing of shiites members.
Re: Appreciating The Army-shiite Clash: Nigeria Should Be Extremely Careful by FOLYKAZE(m): 11:07am On Dec 16, 2015
PassingShot:
Well, from what I've read so far, the procession were bent on denying access to the military convoy which had COAS in it. The clip on YouTube shows that the military prevailed unsuccessfully on the sect to all the convoy to pass but all pleas were rebuffed. In such situation, it's an affront on the convoy hence it termed it an assassination attempt.

Killing of unarmed citizens can NEVER be justified on any ground but civilians should understand that Nigerian soldiers are like zombies. They hardly think things through before acting.

May the soul of those dead find peace in paradise.

I hate seeing unarmed citizens abeg.

What do you call Machete, bow and arrow, stones, sticks and clubs? Are these baby toys?

One need to wonder why these miscreants kept these weapons in the first place. They quickly brought out their possessions and rounded the army up. A look at the released video shows the army formed a formation after their appeal was rejected. These men are battle ready force and will always respond to security threat with full force. The sect wielded weapons and you dont expect the army to watch them till they are attacked first. The best form of defence is attack. The soldiers were defending their convoy and did a good job

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Re: Appreciating The Army-shiite Clash: Nigeria Should Be Extremely Careful by FOLYKAZE(m): 11:10am On Dec 16, 2015
jakiedudu:
Yes they may have stones, sticks and clubs but that is not enough reason to shoot them. The military should have maintain their positions and call the police to clear the road. Instead they choose to take matters into their hands as usual.
As a matter of fact, the claim by the army that the shiites were planning to assasinate the COAS is a lie to justify the killing of shiites members.

Call police for what?

Bows and arrows, machetes and stick can displaced a whole nation. You mean the army should watch the miscreants without doing anything than to call police? What if this animals attack them and their convoy? They should call police too?

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Re: Appreciating The Army-shiite Clash: Nigeria Should Be Extremely Careful by PentiumPro(f): 11:15am On Dec 16, 2015
After watching the YouTube Video, the only conclusion I Can make is that the Shi'a guys deserved what they got.

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Re: Appreciating The Army-shiite Clash: Nigeria Should Be Extremely Careful by jakiedudu(m): 11:19am On Dec 16, 2015
FOLYKAZE:


Call police for what?

Bows and arrows, machetes and stick can displaced a whole nation. You mean the army should watch the miscreants without doing anything than to call police? What if this animals attack them and their convoy? They should call police too?
In Military rules of engagement, they are permitted to protect themselves in face of attack ''Only when the attacker fired the first shot''. Did the shiites fired the first shot Were there military casualties in the form of injury or even dead as a result of shots fired by the would be attackers No.
Re: Appreciating The Army-shiite Clash: Nigeria Should Be Extremely Careful by Alphaoscar: 11:21am On Dec 16, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:

You have to try miss... Readers are Leaders!





In as much as the death of the members are regretted but trust me I can't blame the Army for their actions.


When did Muslims start worshipping Allah with cutlasses , bow and arrow and other light weapons


I heard a call was put through to their supreme leader to prevail on them to allow the convoy to pass but he refused to give the order.


if these miscreants can treat a full convoy of the COAS like that imagine what they would have done to other helpless road users.


No Nigerian under whatever guise have the right to prevent others the use of public road without permission from the appropriate quarters but these miscreants actually turn themselves to the authority on the road and vowed to prevent others from using it .

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Re: Appreciating The Army-shiite Clash: Nigeria Should Be Extremely Careful by themilanway(m): 11:23am On Dec 16, 2015
jakiedudu:
Yes they may have stones, sticks and clubs but that is not enough reason to shoot them. The military should have maintain their positions and call the police to clear the road. Instead they choose to take matters into their hands as usual.
As a matter of fact, the claim by the army that the shiites were planning to assasinate the COAS is a lie to justify the killing of shiites members.

How some of you reason at times can leave one speechless.Call the police?They haven't listen to the army despite all their pleas and you think they will bat an eyelid if the police were called?

You are smarter than this poo you just typed.

By the way what were a"religious group"doing with bows,arrows,machete and clubs?Were they on a hunting excorsion?

The army did right.What affontery!!!

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Re: Appreciating The Army-shiite Clash: Nigeria Should Be Extremely Careful by FOLYKAZE(m): 11:23am On Dec 16, 2015
jakiedudu:
In Military rules of engagement, they are permitted to protect themselves in face of attack ''Only when the attacker fired the first shot''. Did the shiites fired the first shot Were there military casualties in the form of injury or even dead as a result of shots fired by the would be attackers No.

The best form of defence is an attack.
Re: Appreciating The Army-shiite Clash: Nigeria Should Be Extremely Careful by Nobody: 11:27am On Dec 16, 2015
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Re: Appreciating The Army-shiite Clash: Nigeria Should Be Extremely Careful by FOLYKAZE(m): 11:27am On Dec 16, 2015
themilanway:


How some of you reason at times can leave one speechless.Call the police?They haven't listen to the army despite all their pleas and you think they will bat an eyelid if the police were called?

You are smarter than this poo you just typed.

By the way what were a"religious group"doing with bows,arrows,machete and clubs?Were they on a hunting excorsion?

The army did right.What affontery!!!


I wonder what the miscreats were doing with machetes. Maybe they are now worship Mars the god of war.

The army were too soft on them. They should have killed more than 50 of them

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Re: Appreciating The Army-shiite Clash: Nigeria Should Be Extremely Careful by PentiumPro(f): 11:32am On Dec 16, 2015
FOLYKAZE:


I wonder what the miscreats were doing with machetes. Maybe they are now worship Mars the god of war.

The army were too soft on them. They should have killed more than 50 of them

Anyone blaming the soldiers should also go and wield machetes, huge planks, stones and catapults in front of Soldiers with the COAS present and see what becomes of him.
I wonder why people are trying to downplay the stupidity of those miscreants.

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Re: Appreciating The Army-shiite Clash: Nigeria Should Be Extremely Careful by themilanway(m): 11:38am On Dec 16, 2015
FOLYKAZE:


I wonder what the miscreats were doing with machetes. Maybe they are now worship Mars the god of war.

The army were too soft on them. They should have killed more than 50 of them

Thank goodness for the video,I had been on the fence since this incidence occured,ofcourse,Buhari's haters decided to heat up the already charged polity,all in a bid to score irrelevant and mundane points.

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Re: Appreciating The Army-shiite Clash: Nigeria Should Be Extremely Careful by philips70(m): 11:42am On Dec 16, 2015
GspotAngela:
Pig
I am a Shi'a, show me one act of aggression the Shi'a in Nigeria have committed against the Nigerian state. Sunni-inspired is running amok all over the NE and you still accuse the Sahi'a as a violent sect. Show me the weapons your thuggisn armt recovered from the Shi'a at Zaria after the incidence

Thanks for confirming your terrorist status. Next time you guys want to block the military rights of way I hope you stay at the front.

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Re: Appreciating The Army-shiite Clash: Nigeria Should Be Extremely Careful by jakiedudu(m): 11:43am On Dec 16, 2015
themilanway:


How some of you reason at times can leave one speechless.Call the police?They haven't listen to the army despite all their pleas and you think they will bat an eyelid if the police were called?

You are smarter than this poo you just typed.

By the way what were a"religious group"doing with bows,arrows,machete and clubs?Were they on a hunting excorsion?

The army did right.What affontery!!!

Now this is the problem. We always cry that the police are useless in face of rising crimes across the country, yet we never give them the attention they need to help maintain peace within the country. The police are recognized by law as the agency incharge with maintaining law and order but do we give them the chance Dont you see how they society is militarized That is how the police force had been neglected and relegated to the background. We pay too much emphasis on the military.
Every little thing we call the army under the excuse that the police are not capable, even common riots soldiers have to called in to calm the situation... - in the end lives are lost. Why? because they are performing a role that is the exclusive reserve of the police. Until we allow the police to assume their constitutional role of maintaining law and order then the cycle of violence between the army and civilians will continue together with crime.
Re: Appreciating The Army-shiite Clash: Nigeria Should Be Extremely Careful by jakiedudu(m): 11:50am On Dec 16, 2015
FOLYKAZE:


The best form of defence is an attack.
What you just said is the reason why so many avoidable wars of the past were millions of lives were lost is based.

Hitler attacked former USSR not because they fired the first shot, but because he (Hitler) believed that if he didn't attack them first they will attack him.
Re: Appreciating The Army-shiite Clash: Nigeria Should Be Extremely Careful by philips70(m): 11:51am On Dec 16, 2015
Alphaoscar:






In as much as the death of the members are regretted but trust me I can't blame the Army for their actions.


When did Muslims start worshipping Allah with cutlasses , bow and arrow and other light weapons


I heard a call was put through to their supreme leader to prevail on them to allow the convoy to pass but he refused to give the order.


if these miscreants can treat a full convoy of the COAS like that imagine what they would have done to other helpless road users.


No Nigerian under whatever guise have the right to prevent others the use of public road without permission from the appropriate quarters but these miscreants actually turn themselves to the authority on the road and vowed to prevent others from using it .

I will love to be as calm as the military officers I saw on that video begging some ragtag extremists to allow the COAS to pass through a government road. I don't have such patience. If this happens anywhere in the US they will all be wiped and termed terrorists. Nonsense, just because they have Iran backing.

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Re: Appreciating The Army-shiite Clash: Nigeria Should Be Extremely Careful by themilanway(m): 11:55am On Dec 16, 2015
jakiedudu:
Now this is the problem. We always cry that the police are useless in face of rising crimes across the country, yet we never give them the attention they need to help maintain peace within the country. The police are recognized by law as the agency incharge with maintaining law and order but do we give them the chance Dont you see how they society is militarized That is how the police force had been neglected and relegated to the background. We pay too much emphasis on the military.
Every little thing we call the army under the excuse that the police are not capable, even common riots soldiers have to called in to calm the situation... - in the end lives are lost. Why? because they are performing a role that is the exclusive reserve of the police. Until we allow the police to assume their constitutional role of maintaining law and order then the cycle of violence between the army and civilians will continue together with crime.

Bros leave story abeg.These guys were persuaded and begged yet they refused to shift ground,what more could have the army done?

Sit down and idle around while these brain washed people go about their ritual?And if and when the pics of the soldiers idling around emerges on the internet,your ilks will be the 1st to castigate them for playing while boko haram is on rampage.

Enough of the hypocrisy abeg,the army should have wiped off everybody.

Yes I said so.

What nonsense.Imported religion is a curse to Nigeria and Africa

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Re: Appreciating The Army-shiite Clash: Nigeria Should Be Extremely Careful by hybeenoni: 12:00pm On Dec 16, 2015
It's obvious most commenter's abt this shiites hv neva experienced them on procession b4 that's y u talk ignorantl.

One fact is that those guys are believe they r above the law hence they behave hw it pleases them coz they hv international backings. Do u even knw that people are afraid of them?
I'm speakin frm a personal experience wt them, they move about wt cutlasses, sticks, catapult, e.t.c this i saw myself when they were trekking from kano to zaria.

Which sane country allows such if I may ask? Those guys are time bomb waiting to xplode, it's jst a matter of time.
Y was their leader calling Iran after the incident?
Re: Appreciating The Army-shiite Clash: Nigeria Should Be Extremely Careful by funlord(m): 12:00pm On Dec 16, 2015
angry
TonyeBarcanista:
The recent face off between the Nigeria Army and the Shiite Islamic Movement has once again exposed the inefficiency of the Army in handling civil 'agitation' by 'harmless' group or groups. The face-off which some people choose to term 'massacre' perpetrated by the army on members of Shiites movement has drawn mixed feelings from members of the society and is threatening the relative peace that exists in Zaria and Kaduna metropolis.

The Story As Reported
To those that may not be acquainted with the event, the whole event was reported to have started when members of the islamic movement went on their usual annual procession, causing traffic and obstructing movement. According to what was reported, the Army had tried to 'talk with them' but their reluctance to clear way made the army to open fire(the first shot) on those on procession. The open of fire and killing on members of the sect led to provocations and a second round of series of bullets was reported in Zaria where the army went to arrest the leader of the movement, Sheikh El-Zakzaky. The leader was arrested and blood gushed from his body as a result of the gunshot he received. Several sect members were gunned down by the army among whom were the Deputy leader of the sect, the Spokesperson and wife of the leader. Futhermore, the military destroyed the Holy shrine of the sect and the houses of sect members. I have not heard of any military casualty.

Why The Army Action Cannot Be Justified:
An appreciation of the event will point that though the army spokesman 'claimed' that sect members attempted to assassinate the COAS Lt Gen Tukur Buratai, he failed to tell us HOW they intend to achieve it when they were without guns(at parade ground) and they didn't attempt to stab him with knife. Were they trying to strangle him? How possible is that when the COAS move with platora of soldiers that are armed to the teeth? Does the claim of the army make any sense?

Secondly, if the Army Chief claimed to justify their action on the blockade by the marching members of the Islamic sect, is it the gun that should disperse the crowd? What stops the army from calling on the Kaduna state Police Commissioner to direct the Police Area Commander and Divisional Police Officer in the affected area to deploy men of the force that will disperse the crowd while men of the army stay vigilant to ensure that there is no breakdown of law and order pending the arrival of men of the Police force? A police action simply require firing of teargas and mass arrest of sect members that will be prosecuted for disturbance of public peace. Why should the men of the army disregard the Nigeria Police just to take laws into their hands by opening fire on civilians?

Thirdly, why did the army lay siege on the house of the sect leader, killing anything and everything that moves including ranking sect members, wounding the sect leader and burning their holy shrine? Is Shiite sect an outlawed group? For Christ sake, neither the man nor his group have ever been linked with any violent agitation against the State since over forty years of the movement. If there was need to arrest Sheikh Zakzaky, why can't they invite him and declare him wanted when he refused to honor the invitation? Is Nigeria now a lawless society where the agents of the State can do as they pleases? Is Nigeria a banana republic without laws? Why destroy the holy shrine of the group? Is the group's shrine cited on illegal land? Isn't that arson perpetrated by the army? The last time I checked, Kaduna state is not under state of emergency. So what justifies the actions of the army?

Action Capable of Radicalising Sect Members:
The action of the army is capable of pushing adherent of Sheikh Zakzaky into radicalism and causing problems to the peace of Kaduna people, the North West and the Nigeria State in general. Only last year, the Nigeria army killed the sons of Sheikh Zakzaky while they were on their annual peaceful procession. Recall that Boko Haram took a new twist when the Nigeria police murdered sect leader Muhammed Yusuf in cold blood while in their custody instead of charging him for terrorism before a competent court of justice. Recall that the radicalism of Niger-Delta militants was precipitated by the military hounding of Ogoni youths in 1993-1995, and the Ijaw youths in Kaiama, 1998 simply because they made a declaration. Not forgetting how the military under Obasanjo administration ordered the Nigeria army to massacre the communities of Odi, Bayelsa state and Ziki Biam, Benue state in 1999 and 2001 respectively in 'revenge' of the killing of security operatives by criminals in both communities. Let us also note that the recent IPOB-MASSOB secession agitation in the South-east took a violent twist after government forces had killed some of the harmless protesting agitators. In 2002, members of MASSOB were raided and extra-judicially killed when they went about the agitation peacefully.

I believe that the time has come for the armed forces, the police and other security agencies to be completely reformed. They should understand the consequence of extra-judicial killings and realise that the civil populace is always at the receiving end of the backlash. There are better ways of handling issues without pulling the trigger. The President has the responsibility of protecting lives and properties of all Nigerians. Mr President need to investigate the Zaria event thoroughly and punish anybody found wanting. We can't afford another set of violent agitation against the State.


Readers Note: I am not a sympathiser/member of the Shiite Islamic sect or any other islamic sect, neither am I a member/sympathiser of IPOB/MASSOB or any other secessionist group.


May God Bless Us All and Bless Nigeria


Baba epistle! Why have you been avoiding creating a thread about "dasukigate" or your "zeros"(jonah fortunatos) role in both the "dasuki disaster" as well as the impending "malabu soup"?

Abi cat got your fingers when e reach those issues?

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Re: Appreciating The Army-shiite Clash: Nigeria Should Be Extremely Careful by Ximonak: 12:01pm On Dec 16, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:

What stops the army from calling on the Kaduna state Police Commissioner to direct the Police Area Commander and Divisional Police Officer in the affected area to deploy men of the force that will disperse the crowd while men of the army stay vigilant to ensure that there is no breakdown of law and order pending the arrival of men of the Police force? A police action simply require firing of teargas and mass arrest of sect members that will be prosecuted for disturbance of public peace. Why should the men of the army disregard the Nigeria Police just to take laws into their hands by opening fire on civilians?

May God Bless Us All and Bless Nigeria
Top priority needed in constantly educating(mentally/physically) of men-in-Nigeria force that this is democracy and their main responsibilities(to serve Nigerians-the citizen) and their various duties/functions(police,navy,army etc).

In a right thing system...
The police would have used rubber bullets/tear gas to disperse the crowd easily with minimal damage to its citizens
Re: Appreciating The Army-shiite Clash: Nigeria Should Be Extremely Careful by jakiedudu(m): 12:03pm On Dec 16, 2015
themilanway:


Bros leave story abeg.These guys were persuaded and begged yet they refused to shift ground,what more could have the army done?

Sit down and idle around while these brain washed people go about their ritual?And if and when the pics of the soldiers idling around emerges on the internet,your ilks will be the 1st to castigate them for playing while boko haram is on rampage.

Enough of the hypocrisy abeg,the army should have wiped off everybody.

Yes I said so.

What nonsense.Imported religion is a curse to Nigeria and Africa
Therein lies our problem in this country; 'Show of Force' and disregard of institutions to perform their constitutional duties.

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Re: Appreciating The Army-shiite Clash: Nigeria Should Be Extremely Careful by FOLYKAZE(m): 12:04pm On Dec 16, 2015
jakiedudu:
What you just said is the reason why so many avoidable wars of the past were millions of lives were lost is based.

Hitler attacked former USSR not because they fired the first shot, but because he (Hitler) believed that if he didn't attack them first they will attack him.

These miscreants had weapon on them too. Theses is a security threat and the soldiers wknt watch doing nothing till after the rampaging animals do their worst.
Re: Appreciating The Army-shiite Clash: Nigeria Should Be Extremely Careful by subnormal: 12:21pm On Dec 16, 2015
I do not support the use of extreme force by the NA on the group, but they were not unarmed. Have you stopped to think what would have happened if it were a group of civilians that ran into the group instead of the COAS.
Re: Appreciating The Army-shiite Clash: Nigeria Should Be Extremely Careful by themilanway(m): 12:22pm On Dec 16, 2015
jakiedudu:
Therein lies our problem in this country; 'Show of Force' and disregard of institutions to perform their constitutional duties.

Why are you deliberately omiting that the COAS was practically on his knee begging these people to make for him and his troops?Or haven't you seen the video?

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Re: Appreciating The Army-shiite Clash: Nigeria Should Be Extremely Careful by Newmanluckyman(m): 12:39pm On Dec 16, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:
The recent face off between the Nigeria Army and the Shiite Islamic Movement has once again exposed the inefficiency of the Army in handling civil 'agitation' by 'harmless' group or groups. The face-off which some people choose to term 'massacre' perpetrated by the army on members of Shiites movement has drawn mixed feelings from members of the society and is threatening the relative peace that exists in Zaria and Kaduna metropolis.

The Story As Reported
To those that may not be acquainted with the event, the whole event was reported to have started when members of the islamic movement went on their usual annual procession, causing traffic and obstructing movement. According to what was reported, the Army had tried to 'talk with them' but their reluctance to clear way made the army to open fire(the first shot) on those on procession. The open of fire and killing on members of the sect led to provocations and a second round of series of bullets was reported in Zaria where the army went to arrest the leader of the movement, Sheikh El-Zakzaky. The leader was arrested and blood gushed from his body as a result of the gunshot he received. Several sect members were gunned down by the army among whom were the Deputy leader of the sect, the Spokesperson and wife of the leader. Futhermore, the military destroyed the Holy shrine of the sect and the houses of sect members. I have not heard of any military casualty.

Why The Army Action Cannot Be Justified:
An appreciation of the event will point that though the army spokesman 'claimed' that sect members attempted to assassinate the COAS Lt Gen Tukur Buratai, he failed to tell us HOW they intend to achieve it when they were without guns(at parade ground) and they didn't attempt to stab him with knife. Were they trying to strangle him? How possible is that when the COAS move with platora of soldiers that are armed to the teeth? Does the claim of the army make any sense?

Secondly, if the Army Chief claimed to justify their action on the blockade by the marching members of the Islamic sect, is it the gun that should disperse the crowd? What stops the army from calling on the Kaduna state Police Commissioner to direct the Police Area Commander and Divisional Police Officer in the affected area to deploy men of the force that will disperse the crowd while men of the army stay vigilant to ensure that there is no breakdown of law and order pending the arrival of men of the Police force? A police action simply require firing of teargas and mass arrest of sect members that will be prosecuted for disturbance of public peace. Why should the men of the army disregard the Nigeria Police just to take laws into their hands by opening fire on civilians?

Thirdly, why did the army lay siege on the house of the sect leader, killing anything and everything that moves including ranking sect members, wounding the sect leader and burning their holy shrine? Is Shiite sect an outlawed group? For Christ sake, neither the man nor his group have ever been linked with any violent agitation against the State since over forty years of the movement. If there was need to arrest Sheikh Zakzaky, why can't they invite him and declare him wanted when he refused to honor the invitation? Is Nigeria now a lawless society where the agents of the State can do as they pleases? Is Nigeria a banana republic without laws? Why destroy the holy shrine of the group? Is the group's shrine cited on illegal land? Isn't that arson perpetrated by the army? The last time I checked, Kaduna state is not under state of emergency. So what justifies the actions of the army?

Action Capable of Radicalising Sect Members:
The action of the army is capable of pushing adherent of Sheikh Zakzaky into radicalism and causing problems to the peace of Kaduna people, the North West and the Nigeria State in general. Only last year, the Nigeria army killed the sons of Sheikh Zakzaky while they were on their annual peaceful procession. Recall that Boko Haram took a new twist when the Nigeria police murdered sect leader Muhammed Yusuf in cold blood while in their custody instead of charging him for terrorism before a competent court of justice. Recall that the radicalism of Niger-Delta militants was precipitated by the military hounding of Ogoni youths in 1993-1995, and the Ijaw youths in Kaiama, 1998 simply because they made a declaration. Not forgetting how the military under Obasanjo administration ordered the Nigeria army to massacre the communities of Odi, Bayelsa state and Ziki Biam, Benue state in 1999 and 2001 respectively in 'revenge' of the killing of security operatives by criminals in both communities. Let us also note that the recent IPOB-MASSOB secession agitation in the South-east took a violent twist after government forces had killed some of the harmless protesting agitators. In 2002, members of MASSOB were raided and extra-judicially killed when they went about the agitation peacefully.

I believe that the time has come for the armed forces, the police and other security agencies to be completely reformed. They should understand the consequence of extra-judicial killings and realise that the civil populace is always at the receiving end of the backlash. There are better ways of handling issues without pulling the trigger. The President has the responsibility of protecting lives and properties of all Nigerians. Mr President need to investigate the Zaria event thoroughly and punish anybody found wanting. We can't afford another set of violent agitation against the State.


Readers Note: I am not a sympathiser/member of the Shiite Islamic sect or any other islamic sect, neither am I a member/sympathiser of IPOB/MASSOB or any other secessionist group.


May God Bless Us All and Bless Nigeria
... You were making a whole lot of sense until your CAVEAT EMPTOR (Readers note). So we can not condemn any unlawful act perpetrated in our society without attaching strings to it. So nobody can vehemently defend the defenseless, the downtrodden, without been adjudged to be sympathizing or been their own member. I didn't see any 'common sense' in that ur readers note. It depicts you as one who is too coward, lily levered, to defend the cause of the defenseless. Thank you.
Re: Appreciating The Army-shiite Clash: Nigeria Should Be Extremely Careful by Onyocha: 12:50pm On Dec 16, 2015
philips70:


I just sent u a video, watch it. No army anywhere in the world will tolerated that. They even made several entreaties to the idiots which they rebuffed. All because they have the backing of a foreign country. PMB will not tolerate that nonsense. To me they are potential terrorists.

[b]i have watched the video released showing army officers asking Shites to clear the road. It is obvious that the Shiite followers of Zakzaky mistrust the army because of last year's tragic incident under the Jonathan administration, when three of Zakzaky's sons were killed and thirty members of his Islamic Movement in Nigeria.

Undoubtedly, the army can claim anything after watching this video. Both sides could have avoided this incident by letting go their ego. The Shiites brought death upon themselves by blocking the road and confronting soldiers who don't value civilian life and play by democratic rules. This was suicidal in my view on the side of the Shiites.The Zakzaky followers provoked the soldiers going by this video. We however don't know what the soldiers mission was on that road and if the sect members felt threatened or thought the soldiers were on their way going to kill their leaders so they blocked the road and insisted not to clear. There is need for more details especially that the video is cut at one point.

However, let us go by the narration and video we have at hand. The soldiers have "protected" themselves, refused to turn back and cleared the way and have killed those blocking the road.at this point, it is still a road blocking clash and things have happened.

What is left to be understood is after the soldiers have cleared the way, why did they proceed to the Hussainiyyah and shot at sight and destroy the Islamic center? Why did they also go ahead to destroy the sheikh's house and shoot him and his family members? After the road blocking incident, the soldiers continued on the rampage on three different locations synonymous with the Islamic movement in Nigeria, far away from the road blocking incident location. More or less, it was revenge attacks and "lesson teaching" mission by soldiers. The Zakzaky followers were too overzealous and bold to confront the army and they are wrong to display stones, machetes and sticks in front of armed soldiers. That incident has passed. Why did the soldiers continue the attacks and extra judicial killings? I expect them to exercise restraint. And even if the sheikh was to be cautioned, the police or other ways should have been employed to caution him or even arrest him in a democratic dispensation.

So clearly, the video explains the trigger and the mistrust and misunderstanding that happened and both sides lost it and the movement members more or less committed suicide.

After the road block wahala had ended, the soldiers totally lost it and took law into their hands and went on revenge attacks and extra judicial killings. Things are not done like that in democracy. There is police and rule of law.

That is my opinion and you may agree or disagree. What is on ground is pitiful. Hundreds have been killed and properties destroyed. Many homes have been wounded.

May the dead RIP!

We hope justice will prevail and impunity will not continue. Had Jonathan done the needed last year when three of the sheikh's sons were killed along thirty others, a lasting solution could have been found to end the problem of road blocks and mistrust. There is need for confidence building measures and trust with the Islamic Movement in Nigeria to be put in place by the government to reassure everyone that no one is target simply for their beliefs or what they practice and then look for ways of cooperation and understanding to avoid any future mistrust or tragedy.[/b]

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Re: Appreciating The Army-shiite Clash: Nigeria Should Be Extremely Careful by banki(m): 1:24pm On Dec 16, 2015
jakiedudu:
Yes they may have stones, sticks and clubs but that is not enough reason to shoot them. The military should have maintain their positions and call the police to clear the road. Instead they choose to take matters into their hands as usual.
As a matter of fact, the claim by the army that the shiites were planning to assasinate the COAS is a lie to justify the killing of shiites members.

Ina nukwa, chai so coas should come down and start begging them please oh I am the CHIEF OF ARMY staff I am passing hold your weapons when I am done keep your weapons
Re: Appreciating The Army-shiite Clash: Nigeria Should Be Extremely Careful by TonyeBarcanista(m): 6:30pm On Dec 16, 2015
Newmanluckyman:
... You were making a whole lot of sense until your CAVEAT EMPTOR (Readers note). So we can not condemn any unlawful act perpetrated in our society without attaching strings to it. So nobody can vehemently defend the defenseless, the downtrodden, without been adjudged to be sympathizing or been their own member. I didn't see any 'common sense' in that ur readers note. It depicts you as one who is too coward, lily levered, to defend the cause of the defenseless. Thank you.
Why do you guys like twisting everything? The caveat is to sent a message that my article was not motivated by membership of any of the aforementioned groups.
Re: Appreciating The Army-shiite Clash: Nigeria Should Be Extremely Careful by okpurukata(f): 7:05pm On Dec 16, 2015
GspotAngela:
Sheikh Ibrahim Zazzaky's IMN group consists of educated and enlightened people suc as professors, doctors, lawyers, engineers etc. Most of the more 1000 shiites that were mercilessly killed by the Nigerian army were undergraduate student at Ahmadu Bello University, Nuhu Bamali Polythecnic, & FCE Zaria

This is terrible

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