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Re: The Story Of Jesus Christ by KingEbukasBlog(m): 5:28pm On Dec 16, 2015 |
Sarassin: I'd create a thread soon and might call you to answer |
Re: The Story Of Jesus Christ by oglalasioux(m): 5:32pm On Dec 16, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:That's the problem. Why are some rich and others poor? Who or what determines who dies or survives a war, accident or natural disaster? Isn't it ridiculous that someone who survived a car crash where other people died will go for thanksgiving as if he/she is better than the dead? The bible or any religion can't give you the answers. And it's an indictment on a God who allows such disparity if there is such a god. They are other questions; why are there so much diversity on life on earth? A creation story of seven days? Ridiculous. Why are there so many races and languages on earth? Tower of Babel? Laughable. What operates the African gods? Why did they allow the white man conquer Africa yet people still use them for witchcraft today? Religions don't have answers to any of these but science has. Who will you regard as a prophet; a Nigerian pastor who tells you the reason you are poor is because you don't pay tithe or someone who teaches you that hardwork is the key to success? |
Re: The Story Of Jesus Christ by KingEbukasBlog(m): 5:37pm On Dec 16, 2015 |
oglalasioux: Wow ... you are really asking questions . So let's go , can you provide the answers science has putatively given to the questions you mentioned here ? |
Re: The Story Of Jesus Christ by Nobody: 5:45pm On Dec 16, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: But of course. |
Re: The Story Of Jesus Christ by ifenes(m): 5:48pm On Dec 16, 2015 |
vooks: your dad is |
Re: The Story Of Jesus Christ by oglalasioux(m): 6:30pm On Dec 16, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:Yes! Science has the answers. Let's start with the creation story. Bible says Adam and Eve were the first humans. Science says human beings evolved and are still evolving till today and will continue to evolve. There is scientific evidence from fossils. Bible has no evidence. The disparity between races and languages, according to the bible, started from Babel. Science says the mutation of the brain is responsible for languages, skin colour and intelligence. Bible has no evidence but science has. Studies of the still existing aborigines in Australia shows they are still humans living like animals which is the remnants of evolved peoples. The African gods that seem a mystery is very simple. What we know as witchcraft and spirits is nothing but electromagnetic radiation, radio waves and entanglement of subatomic particles. That was what Moses knew and our African ancestors knew. They built a cult around the knowledge of the forces of the universe and made their rules and laws about it. That's why the African gods allowed the white man conquer it but still remain active. There is actually no god that determines who dies in an accident or who survives a war or who is born blind or who is born rich. The idea of a God encompasses the universe from the big bang to dark matter driving the universe. He is so big that He doesn't have the time to pick out a special person who will survive an accident or ask Shekau to bomb his fellow countrymen. Feel free to ask me any question. |
Re: The Story Of Jesus Christ by KingEbukasBlog(m): 6:56pm On Dec 16, 2015 |
oglalasioux: So if human beings and animals evolved . Where do the the initial progenitors of life come from ? And has the process being replicated in the labs ? [size=16pt]Science says human beings evolved and are still evolving till today and will continue to evolve. [/size]There is scientific evidence from fossils. Bible has no evidence. The disparity between races and languages, according to the bible, started from Babel. Uncle vooks . This should be for you
I think sukkot should have a good explanation Studies of the still existing aborigines in Australia shows they are still humans living like animals which is the remnants of evolved peoples Evolutionists thought the same when the reached Africa in the 1800s and took blacks as slaves
Please read up mysticism and astro project and different stories of people who practice those . This is so sad to read . When discussing issues about spiritualism I like to take a more pragmatic approach There is actually no god that determines who dies in an accident or who survives a war or who is born blind or who is born rich. The idea of a God encompasses the universe from the big bang to dark matter driving the universe. He is so big that He doesn't have the time to pick out a special person who will survive an accident or ask Shekau to bomb his fellow countrymen. So what caused the Big Bang ? Feel free to ask me any question. You sound really confident . I hope you'd still remain so when vooks and sukkot come - they handled similar issues SO WELL in the past |
Re: The Story Of Jesus Christ by lawani: 7:24pm On Dec 16, 2015 |
Living things dont evolve. All specie are bound by their DNA given to them by God. They will never move out of that boundary given any length of time unless there is another intervention by the creator to create another specie. If you think evolution is real, its like believing first generation computers will become Artificial intelligence units on their own and that is not possible. The fact that we cant see the other world does not mean it is not there. That world is a replica of our world. We are like images. What statues are to us is what we are to God. |
Re: The Story Of Jesus Christ by vooks: 7:33pm On Dec 16, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:'Remnants'? This is a serial m0ron who imagines Aborigines are somewhat lesser humans. Man of God don't cast your diamonds to swine 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Story Of Jesus Christ by lawani: 7:37pm On Dec 16, 2015 |
Sarassin:Despite the fact that Jewish institutions prosecuted Jesus, they remain the most reliable sources of imformation about Jesus. There may be overstatements even errors but their positions are more factual and more reliable than any other. Only Jews were there, no Christians and Muslims. Jesus was one of them, he identified with them and is their property. The Bible account is fraudulent, take for instance, the claim that Herod ordered all baby boys to be killed. That is in the Bible, brazenly put there and IT NEVER HAPPENED. History would not have missed such an event. Pontius Pilate, Herod and all the players have records of their admin that is well known. So it is Biblical accounts that has been proven fraudulent. Jewish accounts are honest even if not accurate. |
Re: The Story Of Jesus Christ by sukkot: 7:39pm On Dec 16, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:King , you gotta summarize that long thesis for me. am i supposed to be responding to the OP question or a side argument ? |
Re: The Story Of Jesus Christ by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:43pm On Dec 16, 2015 |
lawani: Please dont mention artificial intelligence , they are allergic to it . Ive used AIs to explain how intelligence and complexity works , I've used evolution of software products to explain that applications can be upgraded by the software engineers - things cannot become better on their own without them being designed to do so . All fell on deaf ears and I cant fathom why these people are obstinate that a creator is not responsible for life especially when it comes to intelligence and complexity |
Re: The Story Of Jesus Christ by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:47pm On Dec 16, 2015 |
sukkot: Sorry bro . You have been given this esoteric knowledge to unravel the mysteries of life . Here are these brothers claims . oglalasioux: |
Re: The Story Of Jesus Christ by sukkot: 8:02pm On Dec 16, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:[b]ahhh ok i get you now. well science and the bible are complementary of each other. there is no contradiction. God is omniscience so he knows everything and created everything. the disparity between races occured before the tower of babel allegorical presentation which was in ancient babylon which is an empire that thrived after the fall of ancient egypt, and if you look at the walls of ancient egypt, there are white people on it. so the proliferation into different races began in ancient egypt before the tower of babel and it is caused by electromagnetic laser of the pineal glands ( which is in the brain so the guy has a point when he says mutation of the brain, although it was not natural mutation but coerced mutation to calcify it so it does not produce melanocytes. this happened in ancient egypt. and from then the racial mixing that went on afterwards brought about the different races ( the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair, and they took them for wives, many of whom they chose ). as for humans still living like animals, these are people under divine judgement. when you are under divine judgement from God you reincarnate back into a low animal state. presented allegorically as nebuchadnezzer regressing into animal state and walking on all fours and yes what he said about voodoo was correct. its all about harnessing electromagnetic energy. we live in an electric universe. we are electric beings. electricity is what keeps us alive. we are like fridges or cookers who need electricity to run and we get this electricity from the sun. so voodoo types try to harness this electromagnetic energy[/b] 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Story Of Jesus Christ by oglalasioux(m): 8:39pm On Dec 16, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:I've had an encounter with vooks so I'll be waiting for him. As for the big bang google the string theory by Michio Kaku. According to Kaku, there's something before the Big bang and if you go further more possibilities will come up just as the hadron collider has proven that an atom can be smashed into thousands of particles (hope you know some physics). If there is a God that is where He should be not with murderers like Moses, Pope Urban 2 or Shekau. If there is a God it's only Physics and mathematics that can prove He exists not a bible that is an obvious copy of Sumerian books. As for testing evolution in the labs I'll tell you there is iron cast evidence; the human genome. Do you know DNA is unique and is the same for every living thing? Do you know that the shape size and colour of any living thing depends on what turns on or off in the genome? Do you know the switches that turns parts of the DNA off or on has something to do with what we eat or drink? Remember that in our villages there is a myth that what a pregnant woman eats affects the unborn child? I'm still waiting for your questions. Science has the answers. |
Re: The Story Of Jesus Christ by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:44pm On Dec 16, 2015 |
oglalasioux: Hadron collider will only create an artificial universe not our own . There is a God - I am a living testimony of God's existence . 1 Like
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Re: The Story Of Jesus Christ by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:45pm On Dec 16, 2015 |
sukkot: thanks ... oglalasioux |
Re: The Story Of Jesus Christ by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:50pm On Dec 16, 2015 |
oglalasioux --- its funny how scientists DESIGNED a system - the LHC - to create different conditions necessary for the formation of a universe , as it were in the early universe but hold an insane belief that this same universe had the propensity to create itself from nothing ? |
Re: The Story Of Jesus Christ by Nobody: 9:00pm On Dec 16, 2015 |
lawani: I quite agree that Jewish writings do present a more reliable source, quite often the Christian texts are shown to be unreliable or quasi-historical at best. For instance in the example you mentioned above, the slaughter of the innocents, we know from contemporary historical accounts that the story is based on the murderous Herod who had his own children killed. The story was developed by the author of Matthew simply to fulfill the prophecies of Hosea and Jeremiah. Nevertheless, the story of Pantheras was never fully developed, even in the Talmud and there are of course issues with Rabbinical writings as it depended largely on the prevailing school of Rabbinical thinking. The fact that Pantheras was reportedly a Roman soldier is hugely significant. |
Re: The Story Of Jesus Christ by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:08pm On Dec 16, 2015 |
oglalasioux: And this database of information - the DNA - came forth dirt ? Science has the answers? 1. What's the purpose of the universe ? 2. How do dreams foretell future events ? 3. Where does consciousness come from ? 4. Explain energy 5. What is dark matter ? 6. Can you explain the reason for the disparity in the nature of humans and animals ? Why are humans intellectually , behaviorally and morally superior to other animals . 7. Why is sex pleasurable for humans? 8. Why and how did living things derive the propensity to reproduce and a well developed complex system for that ? 9 . Can you explain how life came from the non -living ? 10 Prove with science that I am wrong : KingEbukasBlog: |
Re: The Story Of Jesus Christ by sukkot: 9:08pm On Dec 16, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:no probs |
Re: The Story Of Jesus Christ by oglalasioux(m): 10:28pm On Dec 16, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:I'll answer your questions one after the other. But I'll like to clarify something. In my last reply to you I did say something about a God at the edge of the big bang. What I totally disagree is the notion that it's the same God that is behind world religions. It's not the God of the universe that is the God of Moses or the popes or Shekau's God. Now to your questions; 1. The purpose of the universe is beyond human comprehension for now. Science has gone deep into it. The bible and the religions have confused us more. 2. Dreams can fortell future events because of the theory of relativity by Albert Einstein. Time and space is fused together and it's possible to travel back and forth through space and time. (Google teleportation). The brain plays out both times in the past and future times. Certain humans have evolved to the level of seeing the future. Your local prophet can actually see things about you because he has a brain tuned into higher radio frequency than you. (technology can now record human thoughts and dreams). If you wish to see or hear what your pastor sees and hears drugs like cocaine and heroin can help you because it wakes up several dormant neurons. 3. Consciousness is a product of the brain. I hope the explanation above will help. 4. Energy is matter in motion. What you see in the universe is a product of energy which is light from the sun itself. That is exactly what the churches and deities are using to manipulate us. 5. Dark matter makes most of the universe and is what is driving the galaxies apart. It's dark matter that drives the oscillation of the universe that makes gravity possible. Do you know that gravity is simply the result of our falling towards the sun at 30000 miles per second? Do you know why we will perpetually fall towards the sun? Newton's second law of motion states; objects in motion stays in motion unless acted upon by another force. What holds everything firmly on earth is motion. We are in speed. Consider what happens when you speed a car. You get pinned to the car seat. That's gravity. It's dark matter that keeps us in this speed. 6. I've already given you reasons for the great diversity of life. The DNA, mutation and the switches in the genome. That's why you look a bit like your dad and a bit like your mum and you are slightly different from your siblings. It's mutation. In the course of thousands or perhaps millions of years it starts making a difference. 7. All animals enjoy sex. We are the only animals that have evolved to having emotions and that's why we see sex differently. 8. |
Re: The Story Of Jesus Christ by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:23pm On Dec 16, 2015 |
oglalasioux: KingEbukasBlog: Now to your questions; 1. The purpose of the universe is beyond human comprehension for now. Science has gone deep into it. The bible and the religions have confused us more. You can deduce from the bible that the purpose of the universe is to be inhabited by free moral agents who God will reveal Himself to . Science can NEVER know the purpose of the universe . Answer no 1 failed - this is valid if science does not provide an answer 2. Dreams can fortell future events because of the theory of relativity by Albert Einstein. Time and space is fused together and it's possible to travel back and forth through space and time. (Google teleportation). The brain plays out both times in the past and future times. Certain humans have evolved to the level of seeing the future. Your local prophet can actually see things about you because he has a brain tuned into higher radio frequency than you. (technology can now record human thoughts and dreams). If you wish to see or hear what your pastor sees and hears drugs like cocaine and heroin can help you because it wakes up several dormant neurons. So who tuned his brain to a higher frequency and how did he tune it ? Why cant scientists tune to their brains to a higher frequency to know the beginning of the universe and provide the cause of the Big Bang . There are medical problems like cancer , HIV , ebola that have no cure , why haven't their cure been found since you can tune back and forth in time . Answer no 2 awaiting failure 3. Consciousness is a product of the brain. I hope the explanation above will help. Let me save us the time . Science has NOT yet understood consciousness . Answer no 3 failed .
Answer : The concept of energy has no concise definition - science has not fully grasped what energy is 5. Dark matter makes most of the universe and is what is driving the galaxies apart. It's dark matter that drives the oscillation of the universe that makes gravity possible. Do you know that gravity is simply the result of our falling towards the sun at 30000 miles per second? Do you know why we will perpetually fall towards the sun? Newton's second law of motion states; objects in motion stays in motion unless acted upon by another force. What holds everything firmly on earth is motion. We are in speed. Consider what happens when you speed a car. You get pinned to the car seat. That's gravity. It's dark matter that keeps us in this speed. Again WHAT IS DARK MATTER ? Where does this dark matter come from ?
This is not the answer to my question . Please provide a pertinent response . 7. All animals enjoy sex. We are the only animals that have evolved to having emotions and that's why we see sex differently. So we just evolved emotions - happiness , anger , love , hatred , excitement etc - just like that . Please tell me , WHY did we evolve emotions ? Where do emotions come from ? 8 , 9 , 10 have no answers provided by science yet ? |
Re: The Story Of Jesus Christ by lawani: 2:44am On Dec 17, 2015 |
Sarassin: The Rabbinical writings are enough, they tell us what we need to know about Isa bin Pantheras who was never of any note for almost a century after his exit. Then we should see the Jewish establishment as people who tried their best to stop heresy. They had no reason to hate on Jesus or form stories about him. It was their job to curb heretic teachings which they did the way they knew best. Their accounts are more reliable. |
Re: The Story Of Jesus Christ by lawani: 6:30am On Dec 17, 2015 |
oglalasioux:Thanks for the compliment. God bless you |
Re: The Story Of Jesus Christ by oglalasioux(m): 10:54am On Dec 17, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:Got your replies. Sorry I couldn't answer the last three questions because I ran out of battery power. Your responses are educative but it's obvious that you didn't take time to examine mine. I fully understand your fear lest you offend your God if you look objectively to my answers. It's therefore not necessary for me to answer the rest of the questions when I know you'll never find any iota of sense in it. I'll however reiterate that there is a God behind the design of the universe. But it is not that God that is behind the religions. Religion is a criminal thing devised by people who had the opportunity to know the electromagnetic field of the universe. They've held us gullible people for eons. In a hundred years from now, your churches and mosques will be empty. No one will pray or praise a God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. It will be praises to the God who revealed Himself to Copernicus,Galileo, Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Einstein and Higgs. God cannot speak to us through the bible. God's language is mathematics. Thanks. |
Re: The Story Of Jesus Christ by lawani: 9:40pm On Dec 18, 2015 |
oglalasioux: I wish I knew more of the mysteries to answer properly but from the little I know, God's language is not mathematics. There are beings on the other side trying to talk to us, the headship of the other side is God. The other side is the real thing while this world is like an image of that other side. To people who have developed spiritually enough, communication with the other world or God/Olodumare is almost as hitchfree as communicating with other people. Using the power is thesame way for them. |
Re: The Story Of Jesus Christ by Richirich713: 7:20am On Dec 19, 2015 |
lawani: Jewish accounts are honest really? The Jews wrote done scriptures of the bible, but when it comes from the bible suddenly Jews are no longer trustworthy. |
Re: The Story Of Jesus Christ by lawani: 9:01am On Dec 19, 2015 |
Richirich713:If you know any reasons why Jews, the only eye witnesses will want to lie against Jesus, do share it. |
Re: The Story Of Jesus Christ by Richirich713: 9:26am On Dec 19, 2015 |
lawani: The Jews were not the only eyewitnesses, there was also the romans. Why wud Jews lie against jesus? Cuz they didn't believe in him, they accused him of sorcery and blasphemy, they lie against him to get him killed. Jewish rabbi's 2day even continue to lie about him especially regarding Isaiah 53. Also not all the Jews rejected him, there were some who believe in him, like they Jews who wrote the New testament. |
Re: The Story Of Jesus Christ by lawani: 10:25am On Dec 19, 2015 |
Richirich713:He met some Romans sure and Jews believe his biological father was a Roman soldier but no Roman minded him, they took no notice of him and would not prosecute him but instead delivered him to the Jews. If he were posturing as a Messiah, the Romans would have executed him immediately as they did to Simon the Messiah but he posed no threat at all to them, so they released him. I don't see where the possibility of lying against him emerges. Didn't he call himself God? Do you think those who knew the relationship between Mary and the soldier Pantheras should have kept quiet? I do not see the point. Maybe you think the Jews should have waived the blasphemy. |
Re: The Story Of Jesus Christ by Richirich713: 1:51pm On Dec 19, 2015 |
lawani: Obviously they will make up stories against jesus, jesus was the most significant influence in the 1st century, Jews and gentiles were converting, so obviously jews who didn't believe in him will make up stories against him. U clearly don't believe this story about Pantheras based on historical evidence or any evidence, you just believe it cuz it's against jesus. |
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