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Devil or a devil , john 6:70 ? by Jessicha(f): 4:52pm On Dec 21, 2015 |
Read John 6:70 " Then Jesus said ' I Choose the twelve of you but one is [a] devil ' |
Re: Devil or a devil , john 6:70 ? by Femiartalade(m): 4:54pm On Dec 21, 2015 |
dude he is referring to Judas in dis case it's a figurative term 1 Like |
Re: Devil or a devil , john 6:70 ? by zyzxx(m): 4:58pm On Dec 21, 2015 |
Re: Devil or a devil , john 6:70 ? by Jessicha(f): 5:01pm On Dec 21, 2015 |
zyzxx: Lol , The greek word translated DEVIL appeared there , so whats ur point ? |
Re: Devil or a devil , john 6:70 ? by Scholar8200(m): 5:18pm On Dec 21, 2015 |
That's a metaphor! Assignment: Was Herod a man or a fox? (Luke 13:32) were the Pharisees humans or vipers? (Matthew 23:33) |
Re: Devil or a devil , john 6:70 ? by Jessicha(f): 5:21pm On Dec 21, 2015 |
Femiartalade: Farabale , here is what the translators did : The greek reads : " one is Devil" , ( the same greek word used for Satan the Devil) . But the translators fear that if they leave it like that , it clearly means Judas Is Satan The Devil . So they modify and said : " one is {a} devil" , adding the article " a" and in small letter d evil , to differentiate the devil here from the Original Devil ! Do u support that modification ? |
Re: Devil or a devil , john 6:70 ? by Jessicha(f): 5:34pm On Dec 21, 2015 |
Scholar8200: Fox and vipers are names of animals pls , Greek -diabolos- at John 6:70 is the name of who in the scriptures ? |
Re: Devil or a devil , john 6:70 ? by Scholar8200(m): 5:44pm On Dec 21, 2015 |
Jessicha:Bottom line: both names are used for creatures other than the subject (man). Hence it is still a metaphor. |
Re: Devil or a devil , john 6:70 ? by Jessicha(f): 6:16pm On Dec 21, 2015 |
Scholar8200: You are missing the point! The point is the construction of that verse . The greek reads " one is Devil" which literally points to the Devil . But the english translation reads " one is (a) devil" , adding article "a" and small letter "d" coz in english langugage , capital " D" refer to satan the Devil. Which is correct , Devil or a devil ? |
Re: Devil or a devil , john 6:70 ? by Scholar8200(m): 6:48pm On Dec 21, 2015 |
Jessicha:Ma'am, we are splitting hairs here. (noticed you've changed the topic of the thread!) None is wrong! The next verse already shows the reason why the article had to be introduced. we are talking of the Bible being translated with respect to structure and thought and not the Bible being transliterated. They are two different things. Now let's consider the passage: 70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and [size=13pt]one of you[/size] is a devil? 71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being [size=14pt]one[/size] of the twelve. John 6:70,71 I trust that verse 71 is in the original greek! |
Re: Devil or a devil , john 6:70 ? by Femiartalade(m): 7:10pm On Dec 21, 2015 |
Jessicha: oga we both saying d same thing |
Re: Devil or a devil , john 6:70 ? by zyzxx(m): 10:11pm On Dec 21, 2015 |
Jessicha:ma'am devil is diffrent from Satan devil can mean some1 Dat is wicked and so so dis qualify Judas |
Re: Devil or a devil , john 6:70 ? by Jessicha(f): 8:52am On Dec 22, 2015 |
Scholar8200: Yes , changed cos u guys keep missing the point .
Good !! @ underlined , think about that before u criticize those who introduced the article "a" At John 1:1 , the next verse already showed why ! John 1:2 |
Re: Devil or a devil , john 6:70 ? by Jessicha(f): 8:55am On Dec 22, 2015 |
Femiartalade: Think abuh that before u criticize those who add the article " a" at john 1:1 , "a god " paralleled "a devil " |
Re: Devil or a devil , john 6:70 ? by Jessicha(f): 8:55am On Dec 22, 2015 |
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Re: Devil or a devil , john 6:70 ? by Scholar8200(m): 10:37am On Dec 22, 2015 |
Jessicha:And John 1:17 (Isaiah 9, Hebrews 1 etc) establishes the fact that the Word was God and is the Only Begotten! Meaning the thought and the structure of John 1:1 was contaminated by those who introduced the article there! This is translation not transliteration. The sense and the context of John 6:70 vis a vis other parallel passages endorses the article; while the sense and context of John 1:1 vis a vis parallel passages contradicts the article 'a' in John 1:1 Going down to John 1:3, we see that creation was attributed to the Word Who Is God and this agrees with other passages eg Isaiah 40:28. Now John 1:1-3 and other passages show us a distinction of Personalities and a Oneness that is literal. Why divert your own thread? |
Re: Devil or a devil , john 6:70 ? by Jessicha(f): 2:05pm On Dec 22, 2015 |
Scholar8200: Not diverted, this is where am going . John 1:2 says " this one was in the beginning With God" , this proves the person identified as the word himself is not God Almighty himself BUT was with God , you cant be with yourself ! |
Re: Devil or a devil , john 6:70 ? by Scholar8200(m): 2:43pm On Dec 22, 2015 |
Jessicha:Exactly! The Personalities are distinct but One. The Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Spirit but ,"these Three are One. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Devil or a devil , john 6:70 ? by Jessicha(f): 4:20pm On Dec 22, 2015 |
Scholar8200: The moment I saw the underlined , i knew uv been scammed . |
Re: Devil or a devil , john 6:70 ? by Scholar8200(m): 5:05pm On Dec 22, 2015 |
Jessicha:Alright. |
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