Image123:


Brother, you're virtually crying more than the bereaved. One man celebrates Jesus everyday, another picks a day/season to celebrate Him. Let them be. The issue is not why Christ died or what He called us to/for.

dolphinheart:


Celebrate jesus or celebrate jesus birthday?
I'm not talking about celebration, I'm talking about celebration using a pagan induced observance that has no correlation with the word of God.

You left my points alone to reply me on celebration.

There is no crying here, just laying out my points and views.

Image123:


So how old is Jesus that they are celebrating His birthday? How many sing the Happy birthday song or make birthday cake for Him? Forget the semantics brother, no need weeping more than the 'bereaved'.

malvisguy212:
should a christian chose a day to celebrate the soul winning, because it not in the bible and Jesus did command us to do it , will you call it sin ? Have you not read in colossian 3:17 which say:

"And whatever you do,whether in WORD
OR DEED, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, GIVING THANKS TO GOD the Father through him."

You praise God in your tribal language, you celebrate His holy name, is it a sin ?
How much freedom a christian have outside the bible ?

Charlesdock:
1. Since it not recorded in d bible then you don't need it. Does soul winning has holiday? I don't know. 2. Your verse doesn't correspond to the post. Jesus wasn't born the 25th of December or even in december because what shepherd will be in the snow! That shows it summer, it probably one Roman pagan worship converted to replicate a christian festival. The bible never recorded the disciples celebrate one festival. Now if we were to celebrate christ's birthday it should be everyday because of what he did not some special day.

malvisguy212:
Cc lalasticlala OAM4J

Charlesdock:
1. Since it not recorded in d bible then you don't need it. Does soul winning has holiday? I don't know. 2. Your verse doesn't correspond to the post. Jesus wasn't born the 25th of December or even in december because what shepherd will be in the snow! That shows it summer, it probably one Roman pagan worship converted to replicate a christian festival. The bible never recorded the disciples celebrate one festival. Now if we were to celebrate christ's birthday it should be everyday because of what he did not some special day.

CAPTIVATOR:
@ falopey


Show me how roman 14:5,6 support christmas ?

The DAYS are Jewish celebrations commanded by God ? A simple yes or no is required

dolphinheart:


Maybe I'm wrong, but what do they do on Dec 25th? of was that not the day they said jesus was born?

That fewer and fewer people are singing happy birthday song for jesus shows two things
1. Pagans are Taking their celebration back
2. People are realizing the truth that they have been fed lies about Dec 25th.

And you are right, no need to weep more than the bereaved

vooks:


The date of birth of Jesus is a very MINOR point of Christmas, Christians celebrate INCARNATION; God/Word becoming flesh.

dolphinheart:


Nice adjustment from the reasons giving by those who founded christmass. Never knew it has changed from the commemoration of jesus birth to celebrating "incarnation".
So what date did you now choose for this incarnation.

vooks:


As usual, you dwell on trivialities and ignore the Word made Flesh. Do look for me when your eyes are enlightened enough to worship Jesus Christ

dolphinheart:


The topic is on the "trivialities" and not on "word made flesh" .

I do not need to look for you, my eyes re enlightened enough to worship the only true God, the father, who commanded and made the word flesh!

vooks:

Do you keep Passover, Weeks and all the rest because they are 'commanded by God'?
The point of that verse is esteeming a day to the Lord is as good as esteeming none. The Christian who observes Christmas is no better than one who doesn't. This is regardless of the origins of the day.

For your information,the concept of synagogues was developed during captivity so it is entirely pagan.This was borrowed by Christians in establishing church structures.Do we lose sleep over trivialities such as origin or do we not focus on the purpose/intent?

vooks:

No, the subject is celebrating INCARNATION you Arian heretic

dolphinheart:


Nice adjustment from the reasons giving by those who founded christmass. Never knew it has changed from the commemoration of jesus birth to celebrating "incarnation".
So what date did you now choose for this incarnation.

CAPTIVATOR:


WHO gave the command to celebrate that ? God Or MAN .

CAPTIVATOR:

Christmas is commanded by MEN ,but d jewish festivals are commanded by God ;I dont do jewish passover because
" The passover : no foreigner may eat of it " - Exo 12:43

"you are scruplously observing days and months and SEASONS and years, I fear for you ,that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you" Gal 4:10,11

Is there anything wrong with building a place to worship God ? 2Chronicles 6:8 .

falopey:


Brother, let us stop being hypocritical here. The bible has made it clear in Rm 14:5-6 when new christian converts among the jews and the gentiles were arguing on what celebration to observe and what not to observe. Some converts that were of jewish origin were still attached to some jewish celebrations like the feast of unleaven bread and so on while those of greek origin or gentiles did not know anything about such celebrations.

Some thought they should not celebrate while some thought maybe they should celebrate something else. The jewish christians among them still held fast to sabath while some of the gentile christians never even practised sabath before because they were not of jewish tradition or origin. They were idolaters before their conversion.

the argumentbof whether to observe some celebrations or discard some celebrations ensued between them. That why paul told them that whether the scripture say you should observe some days or notis not the question.

Hence the Romans 14:5-6
One man regards one day above
another, another regards every day
alike. LET EACH MAN BE FULLY CONVINCED IN HIS OWN MIND . HE WHO OBSERVES THE DAY OBSERVES IT FOR THE LORD , and he who eats, does so for the Lord, FOR HE GIVES THANKS TO GOD ; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and GIVES THANKS TO GOD .

A lot of things we do are not ordered by the bible, but we alow the holy spirit to guide us to know if we are committing sin doing it or not. For example: we build places of whorship today when Jesus did not even build one or order his deciples to do the same. christians in those days were found of whorshipping in brethren house.

We celebrate naming ceremony today. we eat and merry with neighbours and loved ones. does the bible order that kind of celebration? None of the biblical christians did the same.

Celebrating this anniversary and that anniversary in the church. where do christian celebrate whatever anniversary in the bible? And to you all these are not sins. But celebrating the birth of Jesus.

Everybody celebrate the transition unto glory of their aged. please give me an example of a place where funneral ceremony is celebrated in the bible. and to you its worth it. except celebrating the birth of the lord.

Jesus told the desciples that the holy spirit would teach them in many things. in that case Jesus directly or indirectly admit to them that he could not teach them everything they had to know until he would be received into heaven.

While we should be giving God thanks everyday, in churches today, we dedicate a special sunday as thanks giving sunday. please where was that practiced in the bible? But we know what is right and that is unto the glory of god and we do it. but to appreciate the birth of Jesus christ by celebrating it is a sin to you because bible does not say so.

we go to church on sunday. Where is that written in the bible. even that same Romans 14:5-6 has settle the issue of Sabbath worship.

Why do you celebrate new year celebration? is it because the bible tells you to do it or any of the apostles celebrated it?

I can go on and on but I will leave the rest to you to think on so many things you do that bible does not order to do. And that are not sins anyway.

vooks:

Man is FREE to celebrate just as you are free to log in here and log off.

Listen to Holy Spirit
Romans 14:5-6 (ESV)
5 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God.

Can you imagine God telling you that you should be 'fully convinced in your own mind' on whether to sodomlze your 18 month old or not

vooks:

what stops you from proselyting so you may eat of Passover and celebrate 'd Jewish festivals commanded by God'?

The Gentiles thought to return to Torah to earn righteousness just as the Circumcision DEMANDED Gentiles circumcise upon conversion.
[b]Galatians 5:2-6 (ESV)
2 Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you. 3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law. 4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit, by faith, we ourselves eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working

Idiot,where were synagogues before captivity?

Freksy:

That we and those around us are pleased is not what makes the things we celebrate right. Someone unseen and greater than us must be pleased too.

You are wrong! I know of many Christians who do not celebrate during funeral. Some things associated with many funerals are also pagans. That these are now embraced doesn't change God's standards regarding funeral.

Jesus lived for more than 30years on earth. He knew about the custom of celebrating ones day of birth by pagans prior to and of his time on earth, but never did his or attended any. According to you, through the holy spirit he has now told his follower to do it for him. Hmmm, sermon!

Again, that you or the masses practice that doesn't make it right, if it is wrong! Note that not all Christians worship God the way you do.

No, it's because the masses are doing it, therefore, it is correct, whether God likes it or not. Many worship/thank God everyday and every day is special.

Better 'Make sure of all things;...' 1thess 5:21 than follow the masses and miss the way.

You make it appear God accepts everything that is done in his name and places of worship. [b]He has principles and standards with which our worship/activities must comply. [/b]He has not changed, so check seriously what you do in his name.

CAPTIVATOR:


Man, " Christ OUR PASSOVER has been sacrificed" 1 cor 5:7


Off topic



Not needed,since there is a Temple

CAPTIVATOR:


" fully convinced in your own mind" regarding a day commanded by Jehovah God himself !!! Col 2:16 proves the day here is a reference to sabath

Unlike your pagan festival used as a period of greedy commercial activities which was commanded by Men . Dont worry , u will be dining with the sun god on Dec 25

vooks:

So,
Why did Paul Holy Spirit leave it to the Romans to decide on whether to esteem some days or not?

The reason is simple; days are trivial matters but Watchtower would have you imagine that keeping Christmas earns your next four generations wrath of YHWH

vooks:


You are really a m0ron.

CAPTIVATOR:


Keep observing pagan days , someone like you will still use romans 14:5,6 to support Eid-el-fitri festival of the muslims , aftrall each one should be fully convinced in his own mind ....

Whereas neither paul nor the roman congregation KNEW anything called christmas .

Just continue , no wonder this fits many perfectly .

" you are scruplously OBSERVING DAYS and months and SEASONS nd years nd years, I fear for you , that somhow I have wasted my efforts on you" Gal 4:10:11

Dining with the sun god on Dec . 25 , when the scripture itself warns against mixing with pagans ( 2 corinthians 6:17 )

CAPTIVATOR:


Ur speech above show me the type of person you are ; by their fruits you shall know them ... smiles

vooks:

No, the subject is celebrating INCARNATION you Arian heretic

dolphinheart:


Bro, the thread is about Christmas celebration. Last time I checked, christmas is about the birthday celebration of jesus Christ.

Cus you have a new definition of Christmas does not change the reason such celebration was established. In fact, it shows that there was something wrong with the celebration as done by people for a while, hence the need by people like you to re-analyse, redefine, re-explain and readjust the fundamentals behind the celebration. But after all these is done, it still does not make right a pagan celebration.!

CAPTIVATOR:


Dining with the sun god on Dec . 25 , when the scripture itself warns against mixing with pagans ( 2 corinthians 6:17 )

vooks:


WHY celebrate the birth of Christ?
Has your feeble mind wondered why?

The answer is INCARNATION.
That's why Angels were COMMANDED to worship him at His birth as per Hebrews 1.
That's why John did somersault before he was even born at the mere fact of being near my Lord and My God

Don't thank me for educating you, my reward is in heaven for exorcising/fumigating ignorance and naivety