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Re: SE/SS: The New Order We Must Establish by EternalTruths: 12:42pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
Sunymoore: This is why you are wrong on this issue of primary responsibility of security suffering a disadvantage under the judiciary The constitution states clearly the role of various security units Therefore once such situations arises, they discharge their constitutional role So the issue you raised about security not properly implemented won't arise Eg Imagine you are a police officer, and armed robbers attack a place. Do you need the President to tell you to act before you confront the criminals..? ![]() Imagine an external enemy invades the country, as a military officer, do you need presidential order to fight off the invaders when the constitution states clearly your role to defend the nation against external invasion. ![]() |
Re: SE/SS: The New Order We Must Establish by Sunymoore(m): 5:14pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
Mack3N: Bro you still don't understand the FG, they declared him free of charges to stop protest and any form of civil disobedience and violence in the country.. Believe me, they know their onions |
Re: SE/SS: The New Order We Must Establish by Sunymoore(m): 5:17pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
EternalTruths:Still bro, if everything becomes politics, the judiciary will not be patriotic, they will be partisan. And the last thing common man needs is partisan judiciary 1 Like |
Re: SE/SS: The New Order We Must Establish by Sunymoore(m): 5:24pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
EternalTruths:Bro, the Army and the police you used as example requires commander in chief and chairman of the police Council, this is the provide check and balance... So do we expect judges to command the security apparatus? We may as well lump the executive and judiciary together.. Even, in America, issues concerning urgent national security are passed by the president to the security men without the Congress approval |
Re: SE/SS: The New Order We Must Establish by EternalTruths: 5:38pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
Sunymoore: There is one thing you are yet to comprehend Western Europeans US Canada and Australians , tend to abide by court rulings because of their cultural orientation Africans tend to disobey court rulings once they know they have the power to do so Eg Take Burundi for example The President has abused the constitution in order to get a 3rd term in office which has lead to civil unrest and genocide. The reason why the Burundi President can abuse the constitution is because he has the security apparatus behind him Now if the security apparatus was left in the hands of the judiciary, Burundi won't be in the chaotic state it is today. ![]() Even the case of Nnamdi Kanu where the Judiciary appears helpless won't arise. ![]() |
Re: SE/SS: The New Order We Must Establish by Duru1(m): 5:40pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
EternalTruths: Military has been traditionally under Ministry of Defense. The Police, paramilitary and domestic secret Service and Intelligence agency are permanently under the ministry of interior. While the foreign secret service and intelligence agency is housed under NSA (National Security Administration) with a director that reports to presidency. In addition, there is nothing such as “black” civilization in human nature except in the color chart. We must avoid the temptation to equate “Black” with Africa. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: SE/SS: The New Order We Must Establish by EternalTruths: 5:41pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
Sunymoore: That's why I said a non party system My friend If the Executive is allowed to appoint the Chief Justice, then the judiciary won't truly be the 3rd arm of government but an extension of the Executive In other words A puppet of the Executive arm. ![]() |
Re: SE/SS: The New Order We Must Establish by EternalTruths: 5:43pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
Duru1: Which arm of government directly controls the military.? Let start from there so that you can understand better my point of view |
Re: SE/SS: The New Order We Must Establish by Duru1(m): 5:48pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
EternalTruths: Executive via minister of defense. This is applicable to all paramilitary entities including police via minister of interior. Even the office of attorney-general is under executive branch of the government. |
Re: SE/SS: The New Order We Must Establish by EternalTruths: 5:57pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
Duru1: Thank you Now see where I am driving to In Africa, the Executive arm has always disregard court rulings/constitution because they control the security apparatus. This has led to situations we see now in the case of Nnamdi Kanu and Burundi My suggestion is this for Africa to overcome this madness, it is good to place the security apparatus under the Judiciary in order to empower them to enforce court rulings which will prevent the abuse of the constitution thereby preventing what we see today in Kanu and BURUNDI cases. ![]() |
Re: SE/SS: The New Order We Must Establish by Sunymoore(m): 7:33pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
EternalTruths: Non party system under democracy bro? That's not feasible. And don't forget, the Executive having the executive power can influence the election of the judiciary.. A pillar of democracy is separation of power, so we can just lump the executive duties under judiciary |
Re: SE/SS: The New Order We Must Establish by Sunymoore(m): 7:38pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
EternalTruths:You're right, Africans tend to break rule, but still in the case of Burundi, the legislative failed.. The legislative have the power to impeachment, why won't they impeach the dude/resist his third term attempt (just like OBJ was resisted) and strip him off his control over the armed forces? |
Re: SE/SS: The New Order We Must Establish by abduljabbar4(m): 8:19pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
EdCure: Hehehehehe. It seems like biafrans have gotten a new name ![]() |
Re: SE/SS: The New Order We Must Establish by EternalTruths: 8:48pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
Sunymoore: The reason why OBJ could be stopped was because he is from SW and the other regions especially the North wanted power back If OBJ is a Northerner, he would have had his way. In Burundi, the President is from a majority region if I am correct. That's why he is able to suppress Tutsi and other minorities. Since the moderates from the President region is powerless, they just keep quiet for fear of being killed. ![]() |
Re: SE/SS: The New Order We Must Establish by EternalTruths: 8:50pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
Sunymoore: Have you heard of independent candidacy Contestants without political parties. Such will be introduced in the judicial system ![]() |
Re: SE/SS: The New Order We Must Establish by Sunymoore(m): 9:24pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
EternalTruths:Yeah I know bro, just like Bernie Sanders, the Senator from Vermont, and current US Presidential aspirant.. But will such exist in young democracy we have here? |
Re: SE/SS: The New Order We Must Establish by Sunymoore(m): 9:27pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
EternalTruths:But, in the 'new country' at least we expect cordial relationship in the polity, so the lawmakers will find their work much easier.. |
Re: SE/SS: The New Order We Must Establish by EternalTruths: 5:21am On Dec 25, 2015 |
Sunymoore: Never assume To be on the safe side, put the security apparatuses under the judiciary Haiti is the first black republic and far richer than France in those days. Today, Haiti is as underdeveloped as any black Africa republic. Why.? Abuse of the constitution/court rulings by various Executive arm of government. Which is a trait common with black people once they control money and power of the gun. With that power of the gun to protect them, they can mess up their society and get away with it. My friend Hand over the gun power to the judiciary so that if the Executive arm of government misbehaves, it won't be able to use gun power to suppress the citizens . ![]() |
Re: SE/SS: The New Order We Must Establish by Sunymoore(m): 7:54am On Dec 25, 2015 |
EternalTruths: Okay, but did you measure the magnitude of disaster if the judiciary abused such powers? |
Re: SE/SS: The New Order We Must Establish by EternalTruths: 8:10am On Dec 25, 2015 |
Sunymoore: The Judiciary won't abuse the power of the gun because the national wealth is under the control of the Executive arm of government. Remember what makes the Executive arm of government misbehave, is the lust for national wealth/resources especially to make it a personal property. ![]() My friend Because the management of the national wealth/ resources affects the economy, once the Executive arm of government mismanages it, members of the judiciary will have their personal lives affected negatively. This will anger them to deal with members of the Executive arm of government once they step down from power and no longer protected by immunity. |
Re: SE/SS: The New Order We Must Establish by Sunymoore(m): 8:41am On Dec 25, 2015 |
EternalTruths: Never assume too bro.. Humans can be funny at all times. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. So, an opposition party can comprised the Judiciary, there by sabotaging the Executive, and that will be a national disaster.. Controlling and managing national resources requires protection, and I think, that's why security apparatus are under Executive. Take the case of Nigeria, without those apparatus under Executive, militants and sort will have sabotaged the economy.. And don't forget, the Judiciary have the responsibility of justice among the populace rather than controlling the security.. |
Re: SE/SS: The New Order We Must Establish by Eledan: 8:51am On Dec 25, 2015 |
Iroh88: The simple truth is they can't be on their own. Being on their own means they are a small landlocked and gully erosion country, with millions of people in a small space. It's not a bright prospect. It will a chaotic country and a crime ridden one. The truth is they are the greatest beneficiary of Nigeria. |
Re: SE/SS: The New Order We Must Establish by EternalTruths: 8:55am On Dec 25, 2015 |
Sunymoore: Even if militancy springs up, the judiciary will order the security personnels to perform their constitutional duties. As for the opposition compromising the judiciary against the Ruling party, this scenerio won't arise because the judiciary can't act outside the constitution. Don't forget it is the legislative arm that makes law and most times in the control of the legislative arm through majority sits ![]() |
Re: SE/SS: The New Order We Must Establish by Sunymoore(m): 9:08am On Dec 25, 2015 |
EternalTruths: Bro, you are making the Judiciary look like, they're perfect humans, which is not the case. Since you suggested a non party Election in Judiciary, then we don't have a case of Ruling or opposing party lording over them. That's the case of your view, if it still stands.. Judiciary can act outside the law, just like the way Executive is acting outside the law, in fact, the Judiciary will find it easier, because, they can manipulate the law to their own satisfaction, having the Judicial power.. The Legislative makes the law, the Judiciary interprete the law at their DISCRETION and the Executive enforces such law. |
Re: SE/SS: The New Order We Must Establish by DiademSh07: 9:10am On Dec 25, 2015 |
EternalTruths:Only the Aniocha/Oshimli are ibos! Get that stuck into yor brain!! Even with the Anioma and Annangs, you are still lanlocked and with little oil! Shameless sets of parasites! |
Re: SE/SS: The New Order We Must Establish by EternalTruths: 5:20pm On Jan 01, 2016 |
Sunymoore: Can you see that I am right about my proposal Can you see that Buhari openly confessed that he is the one behind the disobedience of DSS to court order Can you see that Buhari proved my theory right. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: SE/SS: The New Order We Must Establish by Raphael81(m): 6:22pm On Jan 01, 2016 |
EdCure: ss can never merge with south east...its imposicant bro God forbid |
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