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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by iblawi(m): 1:36pm On Dec 25, 2015 |
jln115:If RCS was all that matters, Gripen would have been the best fighter jet next to F-22. Typhoon has Radar cross section of 0.5 and RCS of Rafael is 1 but does that make Gripen better than typhoon. The size of the the object also matters when RCS is calculated and we all know Gripens are smaller than other fighters of it class. Gripen is a good fighter but Sweden that made them never claimed they are as good as South African rate them. 2 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by iblawi(m): 1:53pm On Dec 25, 2015 |
africaken: The RCS of gripen is lower than Rafael and I think the 0.1 is for Gripen NG. 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 2:18pm On Dec 25, 2015 |
Russians be like ,"f@#% you and your traffic "
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 2:22pm On Dec 25, 2015 |
africaken:F22 has an RCS of approximately 0.0002 m2 dt I say the Gripen had the same RCS or did I say the Gripen had an RCS of 0.1m2? |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 2:32pm On Dec 25, 2015 |
iblawi:Never said it was the best, and its not the RCS that makes the Gripen special. The Gripen has one of the most Advanced HMI and EW suits of any fighter be it F22 or Su30. Yes there are fighters that are faster, have a further range, higher ceiling ect ect, but that's not the point. The Gripen is by far the best swing role fighter on the market, with the best balance between ground attack and air to air capability. Not only that, its also by far the cheapest to maintain and can land on very short and unprepared runways, thus making it perfect for the African environment. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 2:46pm On Dec 25, 2015 |
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 2:50pm On Dec 25, 2015 |
Dakota 80th birthday celebration: Will be a bitter sweet moment to see these old birds retire in the next 1-2 years, theyve been of great service to SAAF for over 72 years!! Image credit: Dean Wingrin 1 Like
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 2:51pm On Dec 25, 2015 |
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 2:53pm On Dec 25, 2015 |
[quote author=africaken post=41332227][/quote] Yes and? |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 3:10pm On Dec 25, 2015 |
jln115:and then when you but an external fuel tank on a thirst Gripen it lights up like a christmas tree,dont forget recent development in radar technology to track stealth is using X-Band.which most russian radars are using.also if F-117 stealth fighter with a RCS(00.25m2) can be tracked with 1970s radar technology,what about Gripen ! |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 3:24pm On Dec 25, 2015 |
africaken:Ok and? What about your Su30?? Remeber the PS-05 Mk 4 can track a 0.1m2 object at 120kms how easily do you think a Gripen will track a Su30 with an RCS of more than X50 of that? And why would the Gripen necessarily be carrying fuel pods and the Su30 not?? |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 3:43pm On Dec 25, 2015 |
jln115:SU-30 has a larger internal fuel capacity,have you seen Sukhoi family of jets with external fuel tanks!now with a SU-30 with BVR 130km R-27ER what happens to a Gripen ! |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 3:55pm On Dec 25, 2015 |
africaken:Yes I know it has a further range, that still doesn't answer my question, you said nothing about the parameters of the engagement, why would the Gripen be flying those ranges in the first place which require it to carry external fuel tanks?? Your basically comparing apples and oranges here!! Gripen is armed with the Meteor missile with the same range what happens to the Su30 ? |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 4:23pm On Dec 25, 2015 |
Armoured Brigade has for the second time in a row scooped the Kenya Defence Forces rifle championship title held at the newly built shooting gallery in Laikipia Air base. The Armoured brigade won the last rifle championship held in 2007 at Stony Athi. The Commander Armored Brigade, Brigadier Ayub Matiri receives the best overall award from the Commander Kenya Army Lieutenant General Joseph Kasaon during the Kenya Defence Forces rifle championship 2014. The Commander Kenya Army Lieutenant General Joseph Kasaon is accompanied by the Base Commander Laikipia Air Base Brigadier Eric Kinuthia as he inspects a half guard mounted by Air Force personnel when he arrived at Laikipia Air Base(LAB) to preside over the official closing ceremony of the Kenya Defence Forces rifle championship 2014. Corporal Brenda Adhiambo of Nairobi Region takes aims at her target under the close eye of Warrant Officer 2 Joseph Kibet during the rifle championship Kenya Navy Service Ladies celebrate after defeating Moi Air Base in the falling plate completion Lieutenant General Joseph Kasaon aims at his target during the closing ceremony of the rifle championship. The Commander Kenya Navy Major General Ngewa Mukala aims at his target during the closing ceremony of the Kenya Defence Forces rifle championship 2014. The Kenya Air Force Commander Major General Samuel Thuita aims at his target during the closing ceremony of the Kenya Defence Forces rifle championship 2014. Army Sergeant Major (ASM) Warrant Officer One Josephat Muthoka prepares the Service Members for prize presentation during the rifle championship Private Francis Jillo of Laikipia Air Base receives his award from the Kenya Army Commander Lieutenant General Joseph Kasaon after he was named winner of the best young soldier during the rifle championshipthe link http://www.mod.go.ke/?p=3770 |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 4:36pm On Dec 25, 2015 |
jln115:south africa gripen are armed with R-Darter with a range of 60km not meteor AAM .Secondly a gripen has combat radius of 800Km while SU-30 has a 3,000Km radius now who has endurance ! |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 4:44pm On Dec 25, 2015 |
africaken:Our Gripen are not armed with R-Darter missiles, in fact they are not armed with BVR missiles at this point. But that's besides the point, as we were comparing the Gripen in general toe the SU30mk in general, not specifically SAAF Gripen. Yes I know the the ranges of the Sukhoi and the Gripen, that still doesn't answer my question of why the Gripen is carrying external fuel tanks and the Su30 not. Apples and Oranges my friend. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 5:15pm On Dec 25, 2015 |
jln115:do you want to be in a dogfight while thirst ! 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 6:57pm On Dec 25, 2015 |
africaken:While thirst?? I'm guessing you mean low on fuel, anyway Gripen can be air to air refeuled so it wouldn't matter. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:08pm On Dec 25, 2015 |
gottfried21: Will the AF or navy be making purchases soon ?? The AF in my opinion has a tendency to keep a lid on incidents 1 Like
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by agaugust: 8:15pm On Dec 25, 2015 |
patches689: Nigerian army is still in Liberia for the past 16 years till today, we did not leave. If you wanna do a job, do it well. SANDF failed in Burundi and Central African Republic. No need to post how many tons of heavy weapons SANDF was robbed of by Burundi rebels to arm themselves, SANDF lost high calibre weapons and equipment including MRAPs to Burundi rebels, you failed to recover your arms and ammunition, and then you left all behind to ruin that country. . |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by gottfried21(m): 8:31pm On Dec 25, 2015 |
ViceAdmiral:I was speaking to my cousin about the air lift capacity and whether we were going to look at C-27j Spartan and he told me that the airforce is testing a Russian made medium transport aircraft...And the J-10/Gripen story has been around for a while...my guess is that they're just looking for funding...As for the Navy...Well nobody cares about the Navy in this country |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by patches689: 9:04pm On Dec 25, 2015 |
agaugust: We left because our UN mandate ended The UN mandate ended because the country was stable and secure Neither we nor the UN can tell the future, so I fail to see how this has anything to do with us. Those weapons were not stolen, stop misrepresenting facts. Yet again, your obsession with South Africa blinds your judgement. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 9:16pm On Dec 25, 2015 |
patches689: O, here is the link: Major General Barney Hlatshwayo, the General Officer Commanding (GOC) the Joint Operations Division’s Joint Operational Headquarters says reports that the South African National Defence Force has lost equipment, weapons and ammunition on missions and that some of this had fallen in the hands of insurgents were wrong. "Allegations that we lost equipment, weapons and ammunition and that this fell into rebel hands are not true," he told a media briefing Friday "[Thus] it is not true that our weapons were lost and in the hands of the rebels." http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1153&catid=47:Logistics&Itemid=110 3 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 4:59am On Dec 26, 2015 |
jln115:i have an answer to your relief ,Novator K-100 is a Russian air-to-air missile known as the AWACS killer,with a range of 400 km |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by iblawi(m): 6:53am On Dec 26, 2015 |
africaken:And Vympel R-37 |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by gottfried21(m): 7:04am On Dec 26, 2015 |
'Tis the season of giving Russians always give the best gifts
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by horlams: 7:07am On Dec 26, 2015 |
Funny how the topic changed from 'Gripen is better than the su-30' to 'Gripen is as good as the su-30' |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by iblawi(m): 7:10am On Dec 26, 2015 |
horlams:Lol Gripens are good fighters but definitely not as good as SU-30 Russians are crazy when it comes to rockets and jets. I can compare Gripen with J-10 or maybe F-16 but not Rafael, typhoon, su-30 or F-18. 2 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by gottfried21(m): 7:18am On Dec 26, 2015 |
Goodness I love Namibia The fact that I can walk into a gun store in the middle of nowhere and purchase a brand new FN SCAR is pretty amazing 1 Like
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 7:27am On Dec 26, 2015 |
africaken:Ok and how is it going to engage the Gripen if it can't even see it, at those ranges? |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 7:29am On Dec 26, 2015 |
horlams:Who changed the topic?? I still stand by my original argument! |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 7:39am On Dec 26, 2015 |
iblawi:Better HMI, Better HMD, Better EW suit ,lower wingloading, shorter takeoff and landing distance, lower maintenance cost, much lower RCS, can be integrated with any weapon available on the market, much much much better swing role capability. In terms of overall capability from air to air to ground attack to Recce..... I would say only the Rafael beats it. Typhoon is a great fighter but its not a swing role aircraft, its an airsuperiority fighter, F18 on the otherhand is just a overrated piece of shiit like most US hardware. 1 Like 1 Share |
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