jln115:
Yes I understand, yet it still won't increase the RCS to more than 1m2 (excl fuel tank). Thus the Su30 still won't detect it at 200kms.

africaken:
3-4 RCS(m2)

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jESgfd9bENA&feature=youtu.be

africaken:
you want to tell us that the Gripen has the RCS m2 of a F-22 !

iblawi:

If RCS was all that matters, Gripen would have been the best fighter jet next to F-22. Typhoon has Radar cross section of 0.5 and RCS of Rafael is 1 but does that make Gripen better than typhoon. The size of the the object also matters when RCS is calculated and we all know Gripens are smaller than other fighters of it class.

Gripen is a good fighter but Sweden that made them never claimed they are as good as South African rate them.

jln115:

F22 has an RCS of approximately 0.0002 m2 dt I say the Gripen had the same RCS or did I say the Gripen had an RCS of 0.1m2?

jln115:

Yes and?

africaken:
and then when you but an external fuel tank on a thirst Gripen it lights up like a christmas tree,dont forget recent development in radar technology to track stealth is using X-Band.which most russian radars are using.also if F-117 stealth fighter with a RCS(00.25m2) can be tracked with 1970s radar technology,what about Gripen !

jln115:

Ok and? What about your Su30?? Remeber the PS-05 Mk 4 can track a 0.1m2 object at 120kms how easily do you think a Gripen will track a Su30 with an RCS of more than X50 of that?

And why would the Gripen necessarily be carrying fuel pods and the Su30 not??

africaken:
SU-30 has a larger internal fuel capacity,have you seen Sukhoi family of jets with external fuel tanks!now with a SU-30 with BVR 130km R-27ER what happens to a Gripen !

Armoured Brigade has for the second time in a row scooped the Kenya Defence Forces rifle championship title held at the newly built shooting gallery in Laikipia Air base. The Armoured brigade won the last rifle championship held in 2007 at Stony Athi.
The tournament which started on 27 October 2014 came to a closure on Friday, 31st October 2014 after five days of vigorous competition. The Commander Kenya Army Lieutenant General Joseph Kasaon presided over the official closing ceremony of rifle championship.
The Brigade defended the title after they won various matches against 11 competitors who took part in the championship. Kahawa Garrison took the second position after winning Shifta cup followed by Laikipia Air base in third position after banking Uhondari cup and Vijana cup. The Ranger Regiment, as expected scooped the sniper cup while two brigade and Kenya Navy won the Small Machine Gun cup and Service Ladies cup respectively. The Officers Falling Plates cup went to Moi Air Base while moving target cup went to Nairobi Garrison.
During the closing ceremony Lieutenant General Kasaon awarded Senior Sergeant Namunyu as the individual pistol winner and best Light Machine Gun(LMG) shot to Gunner Otieno. The best young soldier was Private Jilo of Laikipia Air Base while Gunner Irungu and Gunner Adhambo of Artillery Brigade scooped the best Light Machine Gun pairs as Senior Sergeant Kipchumba took home the best G3 shot.
In his address to the soldiers, Lieutenant General Kasaon said that this was the first tournament at the shooting gallery since it was opened. Previously, rifle championships were held at Stony Athi.
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Present at the ceremony were the Commander Kenya Air Force Major General Samuel Thuita and Commander Kenya Navy Major General Ngewa Mukala among other senior military officers.

The Commander Armored Brigade, Brigadier Ayub Matiri receives the best overall award from the Commander Kenya Army Lieutenant General Joseph Kasaon during the Kenya Defence Forces rifle championship 2014.

The Commander Kenya Army Lieutenant General Joseph Kasaon is accompanied by the Base Commander Laikipia Air Base Brigadier Eric Kinuthia as he inspects a half guard mounted by Air Force personnel when he arrived at Laikipia Air Base(LAB) to preside over the official closing ceremony of the Kenya Defence Forces rifle championship 2014.

Corporal Brenda Adhiambo of Nairobi Region takes aims at her target under the close eye of Warrant Officer 2 Joseph Kibet during the rifle championship

Kenya Navy Service Ladies celebrate after defeating Moi Air Base in the falling plate completion

Lieutenant General Joseph Kasaon aims at his target during the closing ceremony of the rifle championship.

The Commander Kenya Navy Major General Ngewa Mukala aims at his target during the closing ceremony of the Kenya Defence Forces rifle championship 2014.

The Kenya Air Force Commander Major General Samuel Thuita aims at his target during the closing ceremony of the Kenya Defence Forces rifle championship 2014.

Army Sergeant Major (ASM) Warrant Officer One Josephat Muthoka prepares the Service Members for prize presentation during the rifle championship

Private Francis Jillo of Laikipia Air Base receives his award from the Kenya Army Commander Lieutenant General Joseph Kasaon after he was named winner of the best young soldier during the rifle championship

jln115:

Yes I know it has a further range, that still doesn't answer my question, you said nothing about the parameters of the engagement, why would the Gripen be flying those ranges in the first place which require it to carry external fuel tanks?? Your basically comparing apples and oranges here!!

Gripen is armed with the Meteor missile with the same range what happens to the Su30 ?

africaken:
south africa gripen are armed with R-Darter with a range of 60km not meteor AAM .Secondly a gripen has combat radius of 800Km while SU-30 has a 3,000Km radius now who has endurance !

jln115:

Our Gripen are not armed with R-Darter missiles, in fact they are not armed with BVR missiles at this point. But that's besides the point, as we were comparing the Gripen in general toe the SU30mk in general, not specifically SAAF Gripen.

Yes I know the the ranges of the Sukhoi and the Gripen, that still doesn't answer my question of why the Gripen is carrying external fuel tanks and the Su30 not. Apples and Oranges my friend.

africaken:
do you want to be in a dogfight while thirst !

gottfried21:

MI-24's does border patrol...A friend of mine who happens to pilot one too pictures of their operations...Will try to find them although I got a new laptop and lost most of my pictures....
The other AN-26 is parked inside a hanger so I haven't really seen it...Oh and about the three F-7's that were damaged in the hanger collapse...The Air Force still hasn't released a statement so my guess is that they don't plan on doing so

patches689:


O god

Must you allways be so bitter?

Whay is up with your obsession with RSA?

We were not the only peacekeepers there and our mission ended a decade ago

To accure any blame to us is a wild stretch

And FYI, we are the only SADAC member who can rapidly deploy forces at this time - that being ACRIC

So yes, lets put (your anti south african) sentiments aside

ViceAdmiral:


Will the AF or navy be making purchases soon ??

The AF in my opinion has a tendency to keep a lid on incidents

agaugust:


Nigerian army is still in Liberia for the past 16 years till today, we did not leave. If you wanna do a job, do it well. SANDF failed in Burundi and Central African Republic. No need to post how many tons of heavy weapons SANDF was robbed of by Burundi rebels to arm themselves, SANDF lost high calibre weapons and equipment including MRAPs to Burundi rebels, you failed to recover your arms and ammunition, and then you left all behind to ruin that country.
.

patches689:


We left because our UN mandate ended

The UN mandate ended because the country was stable and secure

Neither we nor the UN can tell the future, so I fail to see how this has anything to do with us.

Those weapons were not stolen, stop misrepresenting facts.

Yet again, your obsession with South Africa blinds your judgement.

jln115:

While thirst?? I'm guessing you mean low on fuel, anyway Gripen can be air to air refeuled so it wouldn't matter.

africaken:
i have an answer to your relief ,Novator K-100 is a Russian air-to-air missile known as the AWACS killer,with a range of 400 km

horlams:
Funny how the topic changed from 'Gripen is better than

the su-30' to 'Gripen is as good as the su-30'

africaken:
i have an answer to your relief ,Novator K-100 is a Russian air-to-air missile known as the AWACS killer,with a range of 400 km

horlams:
Funny how the topic changed from 'Gripen is better than

the su-30' to 'Gripen is as good as the su-30'

iblawi:

Lol

Gripens are good fighters but definitely not as good as SU-30 Russians are crazy when it comes to rockets and jets. I can compare Gripen with J-10 or maybe F-16 but not Rafael, typhoon, su-30 or F-18.