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Can Morality And Politics Co-Exist? Can Morality Find A Place In Naija Politics? by MizMyColi(f): 5:32pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
What is Morality and What is Politics 3 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Can Morality And Politics Co-Exist? Can Morality Find A Place In Naija Politics? by Tallesty1(m): 5:34pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
E don tey wey I dey expect this post. |
Re: Can Morality And Politics Co-Exist? Can Morality Find A Place In Naija Politics? by Aufbauh(m): 5:36pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
"Politics have no relation to morals" - Niccolo Machiavelli 2 Likes |
Re: Can Morality And Politics Co-Exist? Can Morality Find A Place In Naija Politics? by MizMyColi(f): 5:43pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
Aufbauh: Yeah, I read about Machiavelli but someone asked, and I quote. "What impact would politics have on the lives of people living in a society when the key actors have no moral qualms?" Can it now be said of us that we employ the principle of morality when it suits us and our narrative and discard it when it doesn't? Isn't that hypocrisy? A moment of truth is upon us. 2 Likes |
Re: Can Morality And Politics Co-Exist? Can Morality Find A Place In Naija Politics? by BALLOSKI: 5:46pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
No! Madam, stop pretending , you know it's impossible. |
Re: Can Morality And Politics Co-Exist? Can Morality Find A Place In Naija Politics? by MizMyColi(f): 5:49pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
This view by Hobbes was equally contrasted by the early intuitionist like Henry More, Ralph Cudworth and Samuel Clarke. For them morality is objective and holds in every situation. This assertion gave rise to the debate in moral philosophy concerning where morality should be derived from; reason or feelings. Other theorist like Hume and Hutcheson argued that moral judgement cannot be based on reason alone, that what reason does is to help us detect moral actions but we will only be motivated to do it with the aid of feelings. ^^^ True Talk 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Can Morality And Politics Co-Exist? Can Morality Find A Place In Naija Politics? by OrlandoOwoh(m): 5:49pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
We know where you're going. With more comments, you'll reveal it. Abi no be u? 7 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Can Morality And Politics Co-Exist? Can Morality Find A Place In Naija Politics? by MizMyColi(f): 5:51pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
[s] BALLOSKI:[/s] What exactly about my post suggests pretence? Impossible is nothing BTW. |
Re: Can Morality And Politics Co-Exist? Can Morality Find A Place In Naija Politics? by MizMyColi(f): 5:53pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
OrlandoOwoh: Buzz off this thread if you have nothing to contribute. |
Re: Can Morality And Politics Co-Exist? Can Morality Find A Place In Naija Politics? by OrlandoOwoh(m): 6:01pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
MizMyColi:You're gradually coming out of your cocoon. 4 Likes |
Re: Can Morality And Politics Co-Exist? Can Morality Find A Place In Naija Politics? by Aufbauh(m): 6:05pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
MizMyColi: "This city is what it is because our citizens are what they are "- Plato The decadence of morality amongst our political players is directly or indirectly traceable to the attitude of the followers. When personal worth and clout irrespective of the premises is celebrated by the common man above value system, then morality will be sacrifice on the altar of mundanity. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Can Morality And Politics Co-Exist? Can Morality Find A Place In Naija Politics? by MizMyColi(f): 6:09pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
Aufbauh: So, in other words, you agree that ideally, politics and morality ought to be balanced, as partners. Everything in moderation. Are you implying therefore, that we as a people are beyond redemption as far as moral values are concerned? |
Re: Can Morality And Politics Co-Exist? Can Morality Find A Place In Naija Politics? by Jakpon: 6:10pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
When we get to Biafra, everything will be sorted out. Biafra is an Eldorado, an Heaven on Earth. Biafra is a Country worthy of my patrotism Free Nnamdi Kanu Umu Chineke !!! 1 Like |
Re: Can Morality And Politics Co-Exist? Can Morality Find A Place In Naija Politics? by MizMyColi(f): 6:10pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
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Re: Can Morality And Politics Co-Exist? Can Morality Find A Place In Naija Politics? by MizMyColi(f): 6:11pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
Jakpon: Charity begins at home Bruv. 1 Like |
Re: Can Morality And Politics Co-Exist? Can Morality Find A Place In Naija Politics? by BrightEye(m): 6:11pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
There is always means for anything to be possible. The only way politics and morality could co-exist is when everyone in politics have the heart to do to others, only what he/she can tolerate. This creates atmosphere of love, and promotes morality. 1 Like |
Re: Can Morality And Politics Co-Exist? Can Morality Find A Place In Naija Politics? by Jakpon: 6:21pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
MizMyColi:The Amala & Ewedu eating yereba cowards and their Awusa-Fulani masters with the help of the British imperialist do not want we Igbos to go back to Biafra. Biafra will bring about the emergence of a 1st world Country in the midst of 3rd world African Countries. That is why they are jealous of we Igbos because we have the best and highest human capital in the whole of Africa. But they cannot stop us because we are Children of light and we are leaving the zoo for the dirty yereba slaves and the Awusa-Fulani muslim Free Nnamdi Kanu IPOB Youth |
Re: Can Morality And Politics Co-Exist? Can Morality Find A Place In Naija Politics? by MizMyColi(f): 6:24pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
Politics in its pure and typical form is about collective distribution of power and societal resources. But I wish to look at the concept of politics beyond this form. I am more concerned on the need to take politics to a more transcendental and humane level and this is where the need for moral considerations comes in. For me, politics should go beyond just collective human behaviour within a governmental set-up. It should include the art of making positive and people oriented decisions on issues of power sharing, control and distribution of common wealth. The art of politics for me should have a human face. That is the collective process of distributing power and societal wealth should be organised in a manner that would enhance humane dignity and worth. It should go beyond the ability to acquire and retain power as perceived be the Machiavellian school of thought. The idea here is not to discredit Machiavellian form of politics but rather to suggest that the game of politics will bring about more of common good if given moral backing. Therefore politics should be viewed in terms of generating common happiness which will in turn bring about the good life we all desire. I believe politics should be for man and not man for politics. Man is a moral agent and for this his actions should be subjected to moral evaluation. Every one has a sense of morality and if this assumption is brought to bear in our actions then the art of governance will greatly be enhanced ~ OOO, 2015 cc: Ecoterrors Whynotthetruth |
Re: Can Morality And Politics Co-Exist? Can Morality Find A Place In Naija Politics? by Nobody: 7:08pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
Go on guys. |
Re: Can Morality And Politics Co-Exist? Can Morality Find A Place In Naija Politics? by BALLOSKI: 7:26pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
Re: Can Morality And Politics Co-Exist? Can Morality Find A Place In Naija Politics? by MizMyColi(f): 7:33pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
Re: Can Morality And Politics Co-Exist? Can Morality Find A Place In Naija Politics? by Proudlyngwa(m): 7:51pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
Yes politics and morality can coexist and yield positive results, politics is played everywhere in the market, in the church, school, village, social clubs and we see minimal immorality being exhibited because power is not absolute. Partisan politics by the way is another thing because of what is put into it to get results otherwise known as do or die, I think the benefits in politics needs to be taken away |
Re: Can Morality And Politics Co-Exist? Can Morality Find A Place In Naija Politics? by MizMyColi(f): 8:01pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
Proudlyngwa: My point exactly. Personally I thought I'd do well playing partisan politics, but two things didn't sit right with me. 1. Being partisan requires being loyal to a cause, and a set of people who are at the helm of affairs of achieving that... 2. The do or die affair doesn't quite sit well with the core of the nature. |
Re: Can Morality And Politics Co-Exist? Can Morality Find A Place In Naija Politics? by Proudlyngwa(m): 8:15pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
MizMyColi: 1.Being partisan means being being loyal to a cause not a set of people as politics is about interest 2.unfortunately in Nigeria it's do or die that is why I advocate for reorientation of youth and I am counting on you. |
Re: Can Morality And Politics Co-Exist? Can Morality Find A Place In Naija Politics? by MizMyColi(f): 9:47pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
Proudlyngwa: 1. That actually occured to me while I was typing that but I decided to post away. If you know my antecedents here, you'd agree I'm more pro GEJ and by extension, pro-PDP. I've had time to ask myself what changed really because prior to this time, I was neither a GEJ nor PDP sympathiser. In the long run, I realized that it wasn't about the party or personality, but that which I perceived they stood for - which aligned greatly with my stand. So you're right in that regard. 2. I'm counting on you too ![]() We're all we have really. I've come too far to back out now. Having lost friends and "opportunities" for following that which I'm passionate about. 1 Like |
Re: Can Morality And Politics Co-Exist? Can Morality Find A Place In Naija Politics? by Nobody: 9:58pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
MizMyColi:That's not necessary. Though I prefer to watch and learn in this case I'd slid in something. I don't think it is possible right now in this country. Let me summarize what I think in two premises. 1. Nigerians, People in general, are highly pretentious. While we pretend to love what is good, we, in reality, embrace only that our person accommodates. Not that we are only evil. No. We have embraced crookedness as a daily warfare. And there is a reason behind that. We love the idea of morally good acts as long as our 'little' sins, which are not worthy to be termed immoral in our eyes, are not threatened. We have never voted out of the need for a morally whole leader but for a leader who share in our morality. Mind you 'we' here symbolizes the majority and this our sound morality is not even sound in the first place. 2. A Politician who intends to be morally good will not in any way be morally incapacitated. Not in his words alone but in his actions too. He'd negotiate his way by pricking the conscience of the society. He is not allowed to compromise else he looses his sound morality except it is the morality of a crook we are talking about here. Not only will he fight the corrupt people the people who voted for him wished for but will also tell them(the masses) to stop playing their loud music on the streets because the decibels harm the ear, to stop running their generators in the open because of the CO effects, also stop buying from kids who sell in traffic because of the accident and hold up probability rates. You are not to compromise either before or after the election no matter how 'little' the sins are. Conclusion: Since premise one defines morally good acts as acts that are good with little evils which should be overlooked it cannot exist with premise two where the good is all that is good and good alone. That implies that the existence of morally good Politicians is dependent on the existence of morally good masses. You can show me another picture. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Can Morality And Politics Co-Exist? Can Morality Find A Place In Naija Politics? by OrlandoOwoh(m): 10:02pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
DOA. |
Re: Can Morality And Politics Co-Exist? Can Morality Find A Place In Naija Politics? by MizMyColi(f): 10:13pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
Reyginus: There's none really. Okay, how about this... Let's say we were to depend on a morally good masses to produce a morally sound leader. Isn't that a mirage, hence the impossibility is practicability? Especially seeing as it'd take a level of enlightenment for a majority to understand morality, sound morality. Now, if that were the case, where does it leave folks like us who actually desire a difference in society? One that upholds fairness and equity in no small measure. Do we just pack our bags and leave politics for some fairy godmother to come effect the change? Or do we hope for some messiah who will lead us on the path of at least 50% morality, one who truly has a heart for the people, is all-inclusive and is in tandem with their sufferings? 1 Like |
Re: Can Morality And Politics Co-Exist? Can Morality Find A Place In Naija Politics? by Nobody: 10:35pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
MizMyColi:I don't think leaving it alone for the crooks to do more damage will help. Let me use this analogy. Growing up as a boy in Northern Nigeria, more than twenty years ago, I was opportune to witness the reaction of the natives to health care professionals. Initially, the people, though not all, thought it was a strategy with roots from the west to depopulate the region because of their beliefs and cultures. We knew the evil lecturers behind the scene. Whenever the professionals come around for immunization they either ask their kids to go inside or chase them away. There were consequences. Polio. Deaths and etc. There were families already made up on the explanation they want to understand. But still the health professionals never for a day gave up. Look where we at today. Now we are Polio free. The northerners understand better Now. Though there are still few unconquered areas but our method is working. Preventable disease are now prevented in the lives of our Newborns, children and adults. The health workers never gave up. A messiah will only show up when you've invested in so many minds. He will never come if people who intend to follow politics in a morally good way stop to invest in the minds that are prone to the contagious illnesses going around. But then I don't like the posture of your Messiah. So just keep doing what you are doing. That's the only magic I think will work here. There might be others though but then I don't know about it yet. Repeating anything to anyone is very powerful. 1 Like |
Re: Can Morality And Politics Co-Exist? Can Morality Find A Place In Naija Politics? by MizMyColi(f): 10:54pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
Reyginus: True talk. Repetition is the mother of necessity. It's about re-programming and re-education 1 Like |
Re: Can Morality And Politics Co-Exist? Can Morality Find A Place In Naija Politics? by Nobody: 11:09pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
MizMyColi:Yeah. Exactly. 1 Like |
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