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Re: 2016 FG's Budget - Budget Of Change, Hope & Economic Revival by PassingShot(m): 7:22pm On Dec 27, 2015
MizMyColi:


I endorse this post 100%
I like the strategy you're employing. I wish Barcanista will employ this strategy of "Escapism" grin grin grin

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Re: 2016 FG's Budget - Budget Of Change, Hope & Economic Revival by TonyeBarcanista(m): 7:25pm On Dec 27, 2015
PassingShot:

My points are well stated.
1. Nothing wrong in using $38 for benchmark. As we speak, crude price is $38.10 per barrel.

2. Our debt to GDP ratio is well within reasonable limit despite the borrowing. Besides, PMB is borrowing for capital projects unlike GEJ that borrowed for recurrent expenditures. I hope you know which makes economic sense.

3. The budget is not heavily relied upon crude sales. Crude income is just 13% of our budget now, unlike when it was 53% in 2015. Therefore further slump in crude will not result in failure of the budget. For the budget to fail, other factors other than crude will have to be responsible.

4. The president clearly said his team will work to reduce our debt to GDP to a single digit by 2018 (not sure of the exact % he said now).

Read my article again and counter it or accept that you were wrong.
Few weeks ago I did tell you that there is no way Nigeria can raise N2trillion from tax.... I even went on to say that government will borrow if she is to fund the N6trillion 2016 budget. You argued but today you are defending borrowing.

I don't think you follow trend on the crude oil issue. By 2016 Iran will be pumping a lot in the market. Same with Saudi Arabia(continuous pumping) and new entrants Russia and USA. Do you know the implication? Oil slump, more competitors and less buyers in the market. I don't need to tell you the implication with respect to our revenue.

As for tax, low revenue mean a reduced petroleum profit tax and company tax. It means less money will be domicilled in our banks, that also means less tax from financial institutions. Should oil company and the banks downsize, it means reduced income tax as well. When you keep talking of our GDP, have you asked what drives the GDP? Is it not majorly oyel and its offshoot? Is Nigeria a producing country? Think.

What happens when government borrows more to plunge us into more debt when the the prospect of increasing our GDP is technically non-foreseeable? What do you think will happen say 2017 and 2018? Will they borrow?

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Re: 2016 FG's Budget - Budget Of Change, Hope & Economic Revival by PassingShot(m): 7:25pm On Dec 27, 2015
IsraeliAIRFORCE:
I am surprise how passingshot is brandishing stats made posssible by the administration he is quick to dismiss.

Buhari be will judged by number of people his administration lifted from poverty and the number of enterpreneurs he made and encouraged.

GEJ administration cut national poverty rate almost by half and I expect Buhari to reduce it to single digit in four years.

#NB: I don't know what is happening, I just bought PMS N135 per litre
What's your point in relation to the topic?

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Re: 2016 FG's Budget - Budget Of Change, Hope & Economic Revival by LogoDWhiz(m): 7:26pm On Dec 27, 2015
MizMyColi:


I didn't perse because he was speaking from both sides of the mouth; like someone who didn't want to please and at the same time didn't want to displease.

That said, when it comes to figures, I am not always quick to speak, because I am much more talented in words than figures. I'm looking forward to reviews from an expert opposition figure.

Though going by how you held brief for the president, I'd say your article is well thought out and I cannot readily fault it.

Btw, how can they budget 5 billion for National Population commission and just 280 million for the police service?

Misplaced priorities?


I guess it's for the census
Re: 2016 FG's Budget - Budget Of Change, Hope & Economic Revival by MizMyColi(f): 7:26pm On Dec 27, 2015
PassingShot:

I like the strategy you're employing. I wish Barcanista will employ this strategy of "Escapism" grin grin grin

Escapism from what please?
Re: 2016 FG's Budget - Budget Of Change, Hope & Economic Revival by 2sex(m): 7:29pm On Dec 27, 2015
grin grin grin grin lol are u just knowing? ah... where were u during the election period? did you hear about the 40Man LAPTOP?
Tunami:
i think apc and pdp have some some paid e-warriors in nairaland.
Re: 2016 FG's Budget - Budget Of Change, Hope & Economic Revival by docadams: 7:30pm On Dec 27, 2015
Hmmmmmmm

I am not proficient in applied economics so I will just read comments.
But, then, I cant fail to notice the inclination towards de-emphasising our dependence on oil. This has been the wish of Nigerians all along. I am, therefore, nonplussed at the negatives it is generating. Maybe the 'wrong' person is implementing it.
There is nothing so far to portray PMB as an insincere leader or somebody lacking in passion, vision, and intellect to anchor the race towards prosperity and economic stability.
In the final analysis, can we survive without oil? I strongly believe we can, eveñ, right from this moment but, only, in an orbital plane devoid of gluttonous goats.

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Re: 2016 FG's Budget - Budget Of Change, Hope & Economic Revival by TonyeBarcanista(m): 7:31pm On Dec 27, 2015
PassingShot:

I like the strategy you're employing. I wish Barcanista will employ this strategy of "Escapism" grin grin grin
I don't just blab for blabbing sake. Neither do I wail for wailing sake... I question whatever I'm not comfortable with but at the same time hope for the success of the government. You will make a fatal error to group me as one of those that by default is set as "opposing" everything without cause, the hardliners that forget to apply wisdom.
Re: 2016 FG's Budget - Budget Of Change, Hope & Economic Revival by MizMyColi(f): 7:33pm On Dec 27, 2015
LogoDWhiz:



I guess it's for the census

But it has been postponed...
Re: 2016 FG's Budget - Budget Of Change, Hope & Economic Revival by ogdada: 7:39pm On Dec 27, 2015
Nice
Re: 2016 FG's Budget - Budget Of Change, Hope & Economic Revival by PassingShot(m): 7:40pm On Dec 27, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:

Few weeks ago I did tell you that there is no way Nigeria can raise N2trillion from tax.... I even went on to say that government will borrow if she is to fund the N6trillion 2016 budget. You argued but today you are defending borrowing.
How do you know what Nigeria can earn or not earn from tax? In that argument, I remeber telling you that the govet doesn't need to increase tax but to expand the tax dragnet and that's exactly what the govt has said it will do. Did I ever argue that Nigeria will not need to borrow money to finance budget deficit? Please bring the post out.

I don't think you follow trend on the crude oil issue. By 2016 Iran will be pumping a lot in the market. Same with Saudi Arabia(continuous pumping) and new entrants Russia and USA. Do you know the implication? Oil slump, more competitors and less buyers in the market. I don't need to tell you the implication with respect to our revenue.
Iran's entry to the market in 2016 is not a given. I have given you the worst case scenario of the crude slump and I wonder what else you want me to say. Do you want us to put the per barrel at $0? I have used $22 to drive home my point, yet you're telling me about slump? for the umpteenth time, OUR BUDGET IS ONLY 13% DEPENDENT ON CRUDE SALE.

As for tax, low revenue mean a reduced petroleum profit tax and company tax. It means less money will be domicilled in our banks, that also means less tax from financial institutions. Should oil company and the banks downsize, it means reduced income tax as well. When you keep talking of our GDP, have you asked what drives the GDP? Is it not majorly oyel and its offshoot? Is Nigeria a producing country? Think.
Conjectures that have no basis. Oyel used to drive our GDP because the past lazy and theiving regimes failed to pay attention to other sectors. It's no longer going to be the case as we can see with this 2016 budget. Smell the honey jar brother.

What happens when government borrows more to plunge us into more debt when the the prospect of increasing our GDP is technically non-foreseeable? What do you think will happen say 2017 and 2018? Will they borrow?
I have answered you and even went further to provide you what debt to GDP ratio means and it's implications to an economy.

The question you have tried to evade is:
Should the government have elected to spend less (cut spending) in this tough economic condition?

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Re: 2016 FG's Budget - Budget Of Change, Hope & Economic Revival by TonyeBarcanista(m): 7:40pm On Dec 27, 2015
MizMyColi:


I didn't perse because he was speaking from both sides of the mouth; like someone who didn't want to please and at the same time didn't want to displease.

That said, when it comes to figures, I am not always quick to speak, because I am much more talented in words than figures. I'm looking forward to reviews from an expert opposition figure.

Though going by how you held brief for the president, I'd say your article is well thought out and I cannot readily fault it.

Btw, how can they budget 5 billion for National Population commission and just 280 million for the police service?

Misplaced priorities?
Woman, if you want to attack my person be bold enough to do it directly(though I will ignore). Using indirect means doesn't tell good of your person.

My disagreement with you came because I refused to support Saraki and other PDP thieves facing trial. I left the SCN for you guys yet you won't mind your lane.

I'm not a sycophant and not a political jobber seeking patronage from any corrupt personality. I play politics according to my conscience dictates with the interest of Nigeria and my conscience as the motivator. I have a reputation beyond Nairaland to protect, and I have proved critics several times that Nigeria comes first for me.

I will advice that you face your lane and respect yourself. If however you choose otherwise, I will ignore you. Using indirect means doesn't tell good of you.

For the record, I DON'T seek your patronage.


Çc: Passingshot and Truckpusher please take note!

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Re: 2016 FG's Budget - Budget Of Change, Hope & Economic Revival by PassingShot(m): 7:42pm On Dec 27, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:

I don't just blab for blabbing sake. Neither do I wail for wailing sake... I question whatever I'm not comfortable with but at the same time hope for the success of the government. You will make a fatal error to group me as one of those that by default is set as "opposing" everything without cause, the hardliners that forget to apply wisdom.
Barca, should the govt have elected to cut spending and plunge the economy further? That is the question.
Re: 2016 FG's Budget - Budget Of Change, Hope & Economic Revival by PassingShot(m): 7:45pm On Dec 27, 2015
MizMyColi:


Escapism from what please?
From debating the topic. Forget it sha cheesy cheesy cheesy

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Re: 2016 FG's Budget - Budget Of Change, Hope & Economic Revival by PassingShot(m): 7:48pm On Dec 27, 2015
Lalasticlala Seun, mynd44, make una no do ojoro for us o. Barcanista's thread on the subject made fp, as such this one needs to be there too. cool cool cool

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Re: 2016 FG's Budget - Budget Of Change, Hope & Economic Revival by S123612(m): 7:49pm On Dec 27, 2015
PassingShot:

Without needing to go back and forth, the only parameter that settles your concern is the debt to GDP ratio. Is our debt profile at 14% of GDP too high or what? What is your point exactly. How the loans will be financed is clearly stated in the budget, yet you come up with question as this.

Na wa for you ooo.

Let me ask you something passingshot. If Nigeria is a Plc owned by you, and you find yourself in the present situation we are in now as a country, will you borrow?

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Re: 2016 FG's Budget - Budget Of Change, Hope & Economic Revival by IsraeliAIRFORCE: 7:49pm On Dec 27, 2015
PassingShot:

What's your point in relation to the topic?


From inception I already know the budgeting style and political-economics of defunct ACN which APC adopted after the merger.

The best recorded budget proposal/actual percentage performance was by Lagos State on average of 79% per annum while the worst can be attributed to Osun State where the expected actual may be in the region of 40 - 45% per annum hence I don't see any big deal on this blotted budget which the certainty of the revenue to prosecute it, is still under probability which risk factor is within "inadvisable" if 100% attainment is the target.

As I said before job creation, poverty reduction and building effective middle class / entrepreneurs will be the bases of my scorecard

If I may ask, we were previously told that it will be zero based budgeting which I said was unconstitutional. What happened?
Re: 2016 FG's Budget - Budget Of Change, Hope & Economic Revival by TonyeBarcanista(m): 7:53pm On Dec 27, 2015
PassingShot:

Barca, should the govt have elected to cut spending and plunge the economy further? That is the question.
Now you are asking the right question. If you really check, we spend so much on recurrent expenditure, inflated budgets by government ministries and agencies, multiple award of contracts and direct embezzling. Of the recurrent expenditure, the bulk of them goes to political officeholders, DGs and CEOs of government parastatals as well as benefits accrued to former leaders and their family. If we can cut the benefits of political officeholders by 60%, curb the menace of fraud and contract inflation as well as going after yams eaters, Nigeria will have lots of monies freed up for capital project. We could borrow say 500 billion or less to suplement whatever we have. Invest in capital project and forget about social benefit for now. Also removing subdidy(its a must) will help free hundreds of billions for projects. I don't think accruing more burden will be of long term good. Think

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Re: 2016 FG's Budget - Budget Of Change, Hope & Economic Revival by LogoDWhiz(m): 7:55pm On Dec 27, 2015
MizMyColi:

But it has been postponed...

Ohh. If that's the case, then they have a big question to answer
Re: 2016 FG's Budget - Budget Of Change, Hope & Economic Revival by MizMyColi(f): 7:56pm On Dec 27, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:

Woman, if you want to attack my person be bold enough to do it directly(though I will ignore). Using indirect means doesn't tell good of your person.

My disagreement with you came because I refused to support Saraki and other PDP thieves facing trial. I left the SCN for you guys yet you won't mind your lane.

I'm not a sycophant and not a political jobber seeking patronage from any corrupt personality. I play politics according to my conscience dictates with the interest of Nigeria and my conscience as the motivator. I have a reputation beyond Nairaland to protect and have proved critics several times that Nigeria comes first for me.

I will advice that you face your lane and respect yourself. If however you choose otherwise, I will ignore you. Using indirect means doesn't tell good of you.

For the record, I DON'T seek your patronage.


Çc: Passingshot and Truckpusher please take note!

Who is this one fuming for now?

Abeg face front joor! What brought SCN into this now? I spoke based on the thread you created and you're here ranting like a 3-year old. Abeg spare me your life story.

Someone accused me of taking sides on the budget issue based on what I told him earlier and I proceeded to make him understand that I haven't formed an opinion especially seeing as you weren't quite direct with your write up as you came off like someone who was trying hard not to please and at the same time not to displease....more like speaking from both sides of the mouth.

There, I said it again.
Get a rope and hang megrin

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Re: 2016 FG's Budget - Budget Of Change, Hope & Economic Revival by Yhunoos: 7:57pm On Dec 27, 2015
MizMyColi:


But it has been postponed...

I believe the fund is meant for the necessary preparations for the 2017 census


According to the chairman of NPC

“Now, the reality on ground is that the re­quired minimum of two years to plan for census, even if the mon­ey required is giving to us today, we would not be ready by 2016 to do a good job.

Read more:

http://nationalmirroronline.net/new/why-we-postponed-2016-population-census-npc/&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwj4vKjb2PzJAhWCHw8KHTPvDBsQFggHMAA&usg=AFQjCNHWm0Am0szVU9Ow0n-T6MqcgQrgww
Re: 2016 FG's Budget - Budget Of Change, Hope & Economic Revival by MizMyColi(f): 7:57pm On Dec 27, 2015
LogoDWhiz:



Ohh. If that's the case, then they have a big question to answer

Still lookin forward to your reply, @Passingshot
Re: 2016 FG's Budget - Budget Of Change, Hope & Economic Revival by MizMyColi(f): 8:01pm On Dec 27, 2015
Yhunoos:


I believe the fund is meant for the necessary preparations for the 2017 census


According to the chairman of NPC

“Now, the reality on ground is that the re­quired minimum of two years to plan for census, even if the mon­ey required is giving to us today, we would not be ready by 2016 to do a good job.

Read more:

http://nationalmirroronline.net/new/why-we-postponed-2016-population-census-npc/&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwj4vKjb2PzJAhWCHw8KHTPvDBsQFggHMAA&usg=AFQjCNHWm0Am0szVU9Ow0n-T6MqcgQrgww

5 billion naira, for ordinary preparation?
You people should fear God o.
Re: 2016 FG's Budget - Budget Of Change, Hope & Economic Revival by baralatie(m): 8:01pm On Dec 27, 2015
I do hope you guys read the part that the fg is only borrowing #1.8 trillion and not #2trn.
And the revenue is #3.78trn and not #3.8trn as printed!
Re: 2016 FG's Budget - Budget Of Change, Hope & Economic Revival by PassingShot(m): 8:02pm On Dec 27, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:

Now you are asking the right question. If you really check, we spend so much on recurrent expenditure, inflated budgets by government ministries and agencies, multiple award of contracts and direct embezzling. Of the recurrent expenditure, the bulk of them goes to political officeholders, DGs and CEOs of government parastatals as well as benefits accrued to former leaders and their family. If we can cut the benefits of political officeholders by 60%, curb the menace of fraud and contract inflation as well as going after yams eaters, Nigeria will have lots of monies freed up for capital project. We could borrow say 500 billion or less to suplement whatever we have. Invest in capital project and forget about social benefit for now. Also removing subdidy(its a must) will help free hundreds of billions for projects. I don't think accruing more burden will be of long term good. Think
You make it look so simple and easy. I laugh you is Chinese grin grin grin

1. Blocking of leakages and cutting wastages is the primary reason the budget we now have is 13.5% dependent on oil income. So, that side has been taken care of.

2. You and I know that cutting benefits of political office holders is beyond the president. He cannot single-handedly do that in a democracy. It is RMFAAC that does that and that has equally been looked into (if not even completed as we speak).

The fact remains that we cannot have the budget we need to revive the economy without borrowing. GEJ that didn't need to borrow even borrowed, yet you criticize a government that clearly knows its onions for borrowing to revive the comatose economy.

The good news is that our debt is within acceptable fiscal limit and the president will work to reduce it further, not to increase it as he pledged.

Think.

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Re: 2016 FG's Budget - Budget Of Change, Hope & Economic Revival by TonyeBarcanista(m): 8:03pm On Dec 27, 2015
MizMyColi:


Who is this one fuming for now?

Abeg face front joor! What brought SCN into this now? I spoke based on the thread you created and you're here ranting like a 3-year old. Abeg spare me your life story.

Someone accused me of taking sides on the budget issue based on what I told him earlier and I proceeded to make him understand that I haven't formed an opinion especially seeing as you weren't quite direct with your write up as you came off like someone who was trying hard not to please and at the same time not to displease....more like speaking from both sides of the mouth.

There, I said it again.
Get a rope and hang megrin
You don't have to sound funny. Respect yourself and maintain your lane. I don't care whether you are pleased or not(I didn't even mention you). I believe you are matured enough to mind yourself.

As for me, I'm to old to be repeating myself. A word should be fine for the sane.

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Re: 2016 FG's Budget - Budget Of Change, Hope & Economic Revival by sweetgala(m): 8:05pm On Dec 27, 2015
MizMyColi:
If you notice, I've not said anything on this budget issue, more like forming an opinion.

I am more interested in its implementation.

Only then can I comfortably laud the president without worrying that I might have to chew my words tomorrow.

I have seen enough from APC to know that they are very good at making promises on paper.

Implementation however, is a different ball game.

Many people are praying for the FG to fail at budget implementation. What they benefit from it I don't know.
Re: 2016 FG's Budget - Budget Of Change, Hope & Economic Revival by MizMyColi(f): 8:06pm On Dec 27, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:

You don't have to sound funny. Respect yourself and maintain your lane. I don't care whether you are pleased or not(I didn't even mention you). I believe you are matured enough to mind yourself.

As for me, I'm to old to be repeating myself. A word should be fine for the sane.

Swwweeeerrrrveeeee ---->>>

cheesy cheesy
Re: 2016 FG's Budget - Budget Of Change, Hope & Economic Revival by sweetgala(m): 8:08pm On Dec 27, 2015
Built2last:
Too much noise on this budget. What I want is a better Nigeria in 2016.

The common man cares less about budget figures or how much is to be borrowed.

They voted for good electricity , good health care, education, portable water. Employment and enviable economy.

The silly battle and war of words between APC nd PDP on this budget is meaningress.



It the bloody budget that defines the prosperity of the nation over the next year, and the first economic move in the game of chess the APC FG intend to play over the next 4 years and beyond.

Any serious Nigerian , be you employer of labour, international business man/woman, employee, etc should be maximally interested and up to date on itst importance

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Re: 2016 FG's Budget - Budget Of Change, Hope & Economic Revival by TonyeBarcanista(m): 8:11pm On Dec 27, 2015
PassingShot:

You make it look so simple and easy. I laugh you is Chinese grin grin grin

1. Blocking of leakages and cutting wastages is the primary reason the budget we now have is 13.5% dependent on oil income. So, that side has been taken care of.

2. You and I know that cutting benefits of political office holders is beyond the president. He cannot single-handedly do that in a democracy. It is RMFAAC that does that and that has equally been looked into (if not even completed as we speak).

The fact remains that we cannot have the budget we need to revive the economy without borrowing. GEJ that didn't need to borrow even borrowed, yet you criticize a government that clearly knows its onions for borrowing to revive the comatose economy.

The good news is that our bedt is within acceptable fiscal limit and the president will work to reduce it further, not to increase it as he pledged.

Think.
I thought APC came with change mantra? If yes, is change a quick fix? Is it easy? What about sending an executive bill to NASS to cut salaries and entitlements of political officeholders at all level? It is not 'come and take' but it doesn't mean efforts shouldn't be made. Should we continue in the cycle?

I agree with you that past administration and the 36 Govs that were in office between 2007 and 2015 blew up lots of opportunities, but it doesn't mean we will condemn our destiny because of that. Buhari as president is responsible for the living and incoming generation. If we can't implement change(not quick fix) what is the basis for leadership?

Even the GDP that you keep citing is overrated considering that NBS are infamous for manufacturing figures to give us hope. Weren't you alive when NOI said our economy cannot be shaken?
Re: 2016 FG's Budget - Budget Of Change, Hope & Economic Revival by Built2last: 8:13pm On Dec 27, 2015
PassingShot:

Surprised you act as if you don't know importance of a good budget. Without a good budget, all the stuffs you mentioned will forever remain a mirage just as they've been since many decades back.

Defending the 2016 budget may not have been necessary if some persons have not made an attempt to rubbish it despite that it remains the best ever in Nigeria's history.

PassingShot, sometimes you sound like some of us never voted PMB or campaigned for him. Some of us who are economists and have practiced for atleast a decade will wear our binoculars of optimism and objectivity in analysing the budget. With a view to reshape any anormalys through public opinion. Each time you tow the line of defense you clearly paint a picture of perfection in the system. Thereby making those who have genuine objections to government policis keep quiet. The budget was prepared by humans for humans. Is it the best budget ever? Wisdom will require that we wait till October 2016 to judge it. Any good economist can prepare a good budget. Let's wait till October please. Democracy rides on personal and public opinion. To that end Barcanista and his likes are entitled to their opinions and views as Nigerians

You can't boost investors confidence with current iliquidity in the system. The policies on Fx in the guise of stabilising foreign reserve and boosting naira is crude economics in 21st century realities. We can't attract investors with current policies. Only private sector will guaranty the needed jobs which current policies negate.

Let's wait till 2016 November to appraise the budget to give failure or pass mark

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Re: 2016 FG's Budget - Budget Of Change, Hope & Economic Revival by PassingShot(m): 8:14pm On Dec 27, 2015
IsraeliAIRFORCE:


From inception I already know the budgeting style and political-economics of defunct ACN which APC adopted after the merger.

The best recorded budget proposal/actual percentage performance was by Lagos State on average of 79% per annum while the worst can be attributed to Osun State where the expected actual may be in the region of 40 - 45% per annum hence I don't see any big deal on this blotted budget which the certainty of the revenue to prosecute it, is still under probability which risk factor is within "inadvisable" if 100% attainment is the target.

As I said before job creation, poverty reduction and building effective middle class / entrepreneurs will be the bases of my scorecard

If I may ask, we were previously told that it will be zero based budgeting which I said was unconstitutional. What happened?
1. No budget achieves 100% of its target. Check anywhere in the world and come back with the result.

2. I agree that job creation, poverty reduction and all what not are the bases upon which the regime will be judged. BUT those things don't just happen by magic without a good budget; hence we need to be discussing the budget. For example, we at least know that 500,000 teachers will be hired in 2016. That is part of job creation.

3. Zero budgeting is still very much intact. It appears you don't understand how it works. Let me try:

What it means is that NO MINISTRY will be able to just decide to embark on any project based on its budget allocation. Whatever project a ministry intends to embark upon will have to be discussed at the FEC and weighed side by side with other projects from other ministries for cost, and need. Based on such exercise, the projects judged to be vital and important to the economy will be given priority over the other ones.

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