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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 9:13pm On Jan 05, 2016 |
agaugust:You reason like a 2 year old. It's impossible that Eygpt can maintain all their equipment with a budget more or less the same as South Africa and Nigeria. No proof that Egypts 209s are more advanced than the Heroine class which boast a vast array of South African systems. South Africa is the only country in Africa, and one of the handful in the World outside NATO, that has a tactical data link. South Africa has the most advanced C2 system in Africa. The SANDF is being equiped with the most advanced radio system in the world as we speak. The Badger IFV is more advanced than the BTR-4 Umkhonto SAM is more advanced than the Pantsir South Africa boast the most advanced artillery systems in Africa, and one of most advanced in the world. The Rooivalk mk1f is the most helicopter Gunship in Africa. South Africa has the most advanced and largest Radar coverage of any country in Africa. The Rooikat is the most fvcking badass and terrifying AFV on the planet. South Africa has the most advanced spy Satellite in Africa...or should I say above Africa? The seeker400 is the most advanced arme drone in Africa. South Africa has the most advanced ground based surveillance system in Africa. The Falcon eye is not close to the SA Navy's RRS 6400 and RSR 210 reutech surveillance radars. Or any other african country for that matter. How's the Yak130 more advanced than the Hawk 120Lift? 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 9:17pm On Jan 05, 2016 |
agaugust:How are they going to get 1.5 million men to SA in the first place....or any other place for that matter? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 9:20pm On Jan 05, 2016 |
agaugust:No, a data link is actually more difficult to produce, much much much more difficult, it took us 20 something years to produce link ZA, it took us just a few years to build Nuclear weapons, which we had long long before link ZA. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 9:22pm On Jan 05, 2016 |
Henry240: The 50cal is pre war. Still used, Bren gun was still used by the english in to the 80s ans even the 90s with reserve units(still used in india) Canadian rangers are only now looking to replace there pre ww2 rifels. The german MG3 is just a MG42extra extra. It is not time or technology that makes somthing obsolete. It is when it can no longer full fill its role or it is filled by somthing better. The T34 is obsolete because as a Medium tank it part of a dead class since both medium and heavies became Main battle tank. It fails as a light tank because it is not Mobile enough to keep up with the lightly armed light tanks like the amphbouses air drop PT76 and its gun is unable match the less mobile but well armerd Light Tanks. It cant be a MBT because it is a easy prey for a armouerd car the size of a well a car. The sherman was usful far longer because it was able to accept a bigger gun. Mainly the 105mm gun. Thuse the Sherman could kill a T55. The C47well old is still able to fill full a job. Not the Job as the main transport but yeomonary and auxlury jobs that are still needed. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:29pm On Jan 05, 2016 |
agaugust: Just like the Angolans and Cubans? We laugh in the face of such odds! 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:30pm On Jan 05, 2016 |
agaugust: Yes, other INDIVIDUAL nations have better INDIVIDUAL weapons No one in SSA has such an impressive collection and no one in SSA has it all intergrated into one SYSTEM |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 9:30pm On Jan 05, 2016 |
andrewza: Doesn't make your 82years old aircrafts any less obsolete. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:31pm On Jan 05, 2016 |
agaugust: No you didnt |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:31pm On Jan 05, 2016 |
agaugust: Weblink has been provided |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:32pm On Jan 05, 2016 |
agaugust: Yes we did, and the conclusion of the argument was that you dont have them |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:33pm On Jan 05, 2016 |
agaugust: Some-one is stuck in the 1970's.... just like Nigerian Military doctrine ![]() ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:33pm On Jan 05, 2016 |
agaugust: No, you only have the transport variant - proven many times on this forum 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:37pm On Jan 05, 2016 |
agaugust: Citation still needed that Falcon Eye is the most advanced in Africa Standard Badger IFV is better armored. Badger IFV comes in tank hunter, mortar, ICV and command variants - we focus on specialization, not your obsolete soviet doctrines. Just like the new British, French, German, Polish, Swedish ICV's Badger IFV 30mm is the most advanced autocannon in the world 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:37pm On Jan 05, 2016 |
agaugust: Yes, manufacturer specs. You have never posted the SPECS for YOUR Beechraft |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:40pm On Jan 05, 2016 |
agaugust: So its better than the German Puma, American Stryker, British Ajax, Swedish CV90, Korean K21, French VBCI, Swiss Paranah V, Singaporean Terrex? Weird how the Americans abandoned the concept you call "new" with their new IFV ![]() Also, you have less than 20 of them... we are building 236 IN OUR FIRST ORDER 3 Likes
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:41pm On Jan 05, 2016 |
agaugust: 1. Nigeria doesnt build missiles!! 2. Tank Technology Demonstrator is fully South African 3. Just like Egypt ![]() ![]() So, you asked: Do we build tanks? Yes Do we build Jets? Yes You lose 5 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:42pm On Jan 05, 2016 |
agaugust: Yes, it does not have the means to fully impliment its ISTAR capabilities. But that doesnt matter, AS IT IS NOT AN ISTAR PLATFORM 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:43pm On Jan 05, 2016 |
agaugust: Licence built copies. Show us 100% Egyptian missiles!! 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:44pm On Jan 05, 2016 |
Henry240: So because the aircraft is old it means the equipment inside it is old too? Great argument, Einstein ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 9:50pm On Jan 05, 2016 |
Patchesagain:Book-marked for future reference. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:52pm On Jan 05, 2016 |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 9:53pm On Jan 05, 2016 |
Patchesagain: We ordered 45 in the first haul. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 9:55pm On Jan 05, 2016 |
Patchesagain:Sure! ....... But remember you said, what you actually said. It's bookmarked. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 10:22pm On Jan 05, 2016 |
Patchesagain: Non-biased view The BTR-4E is a better system. Protection - the BTR-4E with add-on armour can provide ballistics protection for up to 30mm. With Slat armour, it provides protection against RPGs. Mobility - the BTR-4E provides up to 600hp of energy, great cross-country capabilities and is fully amphibious. 690km range . Armament - the BTR-4E is armed with a basic 30mm(Primary) and a secondary 7.62mm, an AGL and 4 Anti-tank missiles. It's a no brainer, the BTR-4E is a better vehicle. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 10:33pm On Jan 05, 2016 |
Be truthful to yourself, the Badger IFV cannot compete with that. -It only can carry a 30mm or a 12.7mm or anti-tank missiles..... All as separate modules unlike the BTR-4E which provides all of these and more in a single module. - The Badger doesn't provide any amphibious capabilities. - The Badger provides protection against IEDs/mines, but an RPG and any caliber abover 7.62mm would defeat it's armour The BTR-4E simply is a vastly superior system. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 11:16pm On Jan 05, 2016 |
Henry240:Thhe patria has protection against 30mm rounds over the frontal arch and in fact 2 polish Patrias were hit by RPGs in Afghanistan and the armour wasn't penetrated.And that's just the Patria, the Badger will be even more heavily armoured thus its not amphibious. The Badger also has close to a 1000km range Stop making up imaginary specification on the Badger, you look like a doos when you do. 5 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 11:41pm On Jan 05, 2016 |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 11:42pm On Jan 05, 2016 |
Henry240: I dont care if its bookmarked... you can quote it all you want. The only thing it proves is that you cannot detect sarcasm ![]() ![]() |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 11:53pm On Jan 05, 2016 |
Henry240: Protection - badger with add on armor has the same protection, and has withstood MULTIPLE RPG hits. Unlike your BTR it has protection against IEDs/Mines Mobility - Badger can be amphibious and has 850km range Armament - Badger IFV has a superior 30mm (most advanced in the world). Your BRT's dont have ATGM's they have AGL's instead Also, your BTR does not come as a fire support variant (60mm long range mortar) or dedicated ATGM unit. You also forgot - Situational awareness - Badger IFV has hunter-killer capabilities, BTR does not. Badger has MATIS thermal imagers, does the BTR? Yes, it is a no brainer... Badger takes the day!! 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:01am On Jan 06, 2016 |
Henry240: 1. The AMCIT turret is designed so that it CAN carry ATGM's and a 30mm cannon.... 54 missile turrets equipped with the GI30 30 mm gun and Denel Dynamics Ingwe anti-tank missile system http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=35423:bae-land-systems-to-supply-sights-for-badger-ifv&catid=50:Land&Itemid=105 But the SANDF did not select that option as it does not suit our doctrine - a sentiment echoed by all other Western Nations in their modern wheeled IFV's 2. Because we choose ARMOR over the ability to float. The Badger is more heavily armored than your BTR, which makes it better. 3. Where are you getting this info from? Badger has 30mm protection on the frontal arc as STANDARD. Your BRT is: - Not as well armored - Has inferior situational awareness - Has an inferior gun - Has no Hunter-Killer capabilities - Has no protection against COIN and 4G threats - Is not data-link compliant - Has no fire-support variant - Has no APC variant - Has no ambulance variant - Has no Tank-Hunter Variant - Has no Command Variant 4 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 12:41am On Jan 06, 2016 |
jln115: Self-protection features of the Badger ICV The all-welded steel armoured hull of Badger protects the crew from small arms fire and shell splinters. with a maximum cruising range of 800 km. www.army-technology.com/projects/badger-infantry-combat-vehicle/ www.armyrecognition.com/south_africa_african_army_wheeled_armoured_vehicle/badger_denel_8x8_armoured_infantry_fighting_vehicle_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures.html No evidence = No bueno Small arms fire and splinters =/ = 30mm & RPG, they are not even close. Maximum range of 800km = /= close to 1000km, remember this when next you want to post another pap induced comment. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 12:43am On Jan 06, 2016 |
Patchesagain:Shameless clown! "So it's now a sarcastic comment"......... Boooooo!! 1 Like |
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