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Re: Is A Good Dictatorship Better Than A Corrupt Democracy? by mikolo80: 5:02am On Jan 06, 2016
freeze001:
Dictatorship is evil in itself! There's nothing good about it...who dictates to the dictator then? Is he the wisest and most upright of all that one even considers letting him having his way unchecked? He is as subject to the foibles of man as the next person and when surrounded by demons in the name of trusted kitchen cabinet members like we have now, u can be sure that his madness will know no limits.
you didn't answer the question
Re: Is A Good Dictatorship Better Than A Corrupt Democracy? by bakynes(m): 5:36am On Jan 06, 2016
I just pity some people in this country especially these PDP goons who just hate Buhari for no just cause. Some of you haven't travelled to developed countries before and see that Nigeria looks like an 18th century country. I agree with the OP a country like Nigeria needs a God-fearing dictator like Buhari. The Western type of Democracy cannot work for the black Man because of the greed and wickedness we carry. Most of these Arab country don't practice the Western type of Democracy. As much as the west hate Ghaddafi as a dictator, he put things in place in Libya. Cause I don't see how these democracy that is not about the people but people in govt will work. In Dubai, Saudi Arabia they don't practise Democracy but the system works for the good of the people just that the freedom of speech is limited. I will take that over a system that doesn't work where people cannot feed well, cannot have access to good health care with Freedom of Speech. I prefer to live well with limited freedom of speech than freedom of speech with an empty stomach.

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Re: Is A Good Dictatorship Better Than A Corrupt Democracy? by bakynes(m): 5:42am On Jan 06, 2016
Mod will really love this thread on the front page. Let people decide whether they want freedom of speech on an empty stomach or a good life with a dictator like Buhari in charge.

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Re: Is A Good Dictatorship Better Than A Corrupt Democracy? by ichoku: 5:48am On Jan 06, 2016
Let me help rephrase this: Does shit taste better than a badly cooked rice?
Re: Is A Good Dictatorship Better Than A Corrupt Democracy? by freeze001(f): 6:04am On Jan 06, 2016
mikolo80:
you didn't answer the question

When something is evil as stated what else can be worse? U can certainly deduce d answer to d question from my post.
Re: Is A Good Dictatorship Better Than A Corrupt Democracy? by mikolo80: 6:12am On Jan 06, 2016
freeze001:
It is absolutely possible to fight corruption in democratic settings. The basic requirement is to strengthen institutions by the letters of the law and have a purely independent judiciary that is not tied to the apron strings of the executive or legislature under any guise.


who makes the law?


Again, the power at the centre is too much and that is why one or some areas can be more favoured at the expense of others who do not happen to be in the good books of the government of the day. What is going on now in the name of fighting corruption is only cosmetic and smacks of addressing symptoms rather than the root cause.



who will bell the cat
you need two thirds to reduce power at centre
and half already no wan gree

The root of all the malaise and rot we see today such that hardly anything works is the system of government being operated. Not only is it too expensive, it also breeds and encourages the corruption sought to be fought and that is why the current crop of politicians will fight to get into office.



why you need a benevolent dictator to break the chains of the past
all, all, all countries have them
do not be deceived by but this mumu democracy talk
if they are so democratic why is Donald Trump being attacked by the establishment (dictators)
why don't they allow him since he is the one the 'people ' want

The moment self governance via a regional system of government is established with rotational Presidency and representation properly spelt out, that urge to fight for my share will be dealt with easily. When some regions appear to be doin better than others, healthy competition will set in and give room for development.


again I ask who are the 2/3 that will approve this regional and rotational govt
it's not by grammar o
BTW we already have 36 to 774 'regions '
trust me it's not personality that's our problem
it's lack of will due to selfishness by leaders
all leaders, political, religious, business, all only care about their pockets and their power


Once the people know that they have to be innovative to raise resources for development, no one will sit on their arses and say that FG did not give enough funds and so they can't pay salaries. Dictatorship is absolutely evil! There is no justification for choosing which law to obey and deciding that others are too restricting because u are fighting corruption. That is tantamount to cutting off one's nose to spite the face.


there is every justification to pick and choose laws to obey
proof, whatchu go'n do about
I know.... nothing, not a god damn thing
you know why, cos you their biatch
or we are as the case may be
although I've decided to join them and become a dictator so I can fix at least my senatorial zone if my state refuse to vote for me.

what are you planning to do, rant on nairaland.com?
Re: Is A Good Dictatorship Better Than A Corrupt Democracy? by freeze001(f): 6:23am On Jan 06, 2016
When u say Arab countries don't practice democracy remember they are mostly same people with same beliefs and tribes. In other words the majority are muslim so they comfortablypractice sharia.

Libya had things in place but remember his leadership wad one in perpetuity for over 30yrs n counting. It was run almost like a family business with his daughter for instance, the sole importer of Mercedes vehicles and all.

Understand that these countries you refer to have always practiced this system so the people don't know any different. A place where females are subjugated in all respects...can that happen in Nigeria?

Nigeria is a lumping of distinct nations into one. From time immemorial there has been a running battle especially among major tribes so how do u expect that others will knuckle down to autocratic dictates from one who isn't the same as them? Nigeria had tasted democracy though adulterated and u can be sure that no one can suddenly arrogate unto himself the power to be judge,jury and executioner without stiff resistance.

For decades past, people have always wanted their distinct identity, case in point-Biafra. Given to a republican way of governance in its traditions, how do u expect a dictatorship to work without crises? Is it not obvious some will be more favoured and superior than others? That will certainly not make Nigeria better because discrimination will be rife without measure and it will be the norm. Can u live with that? Ur response to this question will only be in the affirmative if u are a muslim from the North or Western part of Nigeria.

Let's not encourage what will cause more harm in the long run in the name of fighting corruption.



bakynes:
I just pity some
people in this country especially these PDP goons who just hate Buhari for no just cause. Some of you haven't travelled to developed countries before and see that Nigeria looks like an 18th century country. I agree with the OP a country like Nigeria needs a God-fearing dictator like Buhari. The Western type of Democracy cannot work for the black Man because of the greed and wickedness we carry. Most of these Arab country don't practice the Western type of Democracy. As much as the west hate Ghaddafi as a dictator, he put things in place in Libya. Cause I don't see how these democracy that is not about the people but people in govt will work. In Dubai, Saudi Arabia they don't practise Democracy but the system works for the good of the people just that the freedom of speech is limited. I will take that over a system that doesn't work where people cannot feed well, cannot have access to good health care with Freedom of Speech. I prefer to live well with limited freedom of speech than freedom of speech with an empty stomach.

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Re: Is A Good Dictatorship Better Than A Corrupt Democracy? by mikolo80: 6:23am On Jan 06, 2016
freeze001:


When something is evil as stated what else can be worse? U can certainly deduce d answer to d question from my post.
he said good dictatorship, you're the one who labelled it evil. why, cos one lazy baba with a high falutin sounding title and grey hair said so. ? if he knows so much why is he selling handout and intimidatIng students. good is always better than bad my friend. so good 'evil ' dictatorship is always better than evil 'good ' democracy.
ask China Singapore Korea and Malaysia
Re: Is A Good Dictatorship Better Than A Corrupt Democracy? by mikolo80: 6:38am On Jan 06, 2016
talktimi:
Aisha jollof rice working on overdrive, the lying liars are trying seriously to convince Nigerians to allow Buhari's govt suspend the constitution, check out the tone of their threads here on nairaland these past days, even my boy arresa hailed Babangida and Abacha regimes as the best thing to happen to Nigeria since agege bread with ewa agoyin. This is really a case of cutting the nose to spite the face.



which one is Aisha jollof rice again
na pdp de share rice
we share roads and other infrastructure

Our darling Bubu should hear the voice of Nigerians VERY VERY clearly.



him de hear na

* We support your administration wholeheartedly because a peaceful nation ensures our livelihood.


your opinion

* We support your fight against corruption as long as its within the tenets of the law and it's not selective.


you either support or you don'
no condition cop the constitution is not working
(injunction after injunction)

* We love our democracy & constitution with the passion of a jealous lover.


if you see real fight over the constitution you go wait?
I laugh, you think love is by mouth

* If Nigerians needed the constitution to be suspended, we would have invited the military to take over but NO,


who gi you army phone number
who are you inviting
you think it's one of your owambe weddings


the army should stay in their barracks and protect us from there.


they'll do whatever the hell they want
abi is it you that will stop them

2019 is around the corner, if you're tired by then you can forget about contesting for reelection.


no comment

* But if you president Buhari feel that working with a constitution will be as hard or even harder than applied quantum physics, then PLEASE and PLEASE step aside i.e. resign let your VP take over as he seems very capable and millenium compliant for the job.



where have you seen a general abandon his troops
even Jonathan fought to the bitter end

Dear Mr president, you've been asking for this pudding, so you must finish it as served.



him de wack de go
na you de complain say him no de form ajebo

Thanks very much.

YOU LYING LIARS & MÂSTURBATORS SHOULD ARGUE WITH YOUR ANCESTORS.
Re: Is A Good Dictatorship Better Than A Corrupt Democracy? by mikolo80: 6:39am On Jan 06, 2016
krendo:


There is nothing lawful about stretching the rules

Justice is suppose to be fair, EFcc have no right to break down Dasuki's offence into 100 so that he can be arrested and re-arrested.

That's not in the spirit of fair trial and justice! That's torture!
you obviously don't know how the law works.
he committed 100 offences with impunity
he will be arraigned 100 times with impunity
Re: Is A Good Dictatorship Better Than A Corrupt Democracy? by Geraraheremehn: 8:06am On Jan 06, 2016
madridguy:
Good article, PMB carry on. May thy lord strengthen you to totally bring down corruption.

He will meet his waterloo soon
Re: Is A Good Dictatorship Better Than A Corrupt Democracy? by madridguy(m): 8:08am On Jan 06, 2016
How ?

Geraraheremehn:


He will meet his waterloo soon
Re: Is A Good Dictatorship Better Than A Corrupt Democracy? by Geraraheremehn: 8:10am On Jan 06, 2016
madridguy:
How ?


Keep watching it's only but time but it will happen definitely
Re: Is A Good Dictatorship Better Than A Corrupt Democracy? by bakynes(m): 8:48am On Jan 06, 2016
freeze001:
When u say Arab countries don't practice democracy remember they are mostly same people with same beliefs and tribes. In other words the majority are muslim so they comfortablypractice sharia.

Libya had things in place but remember his leadership wad one in perpetuity for over 30yrs n counting. It was run almost like a family business with his daughter for instance, the sole importer of Mercedes vehicles and all.

Understand that these countries you refer to have always practiced this system so the people don't know any different. A place where females are subjugated in all respects...can that happen in Nigeria?

Nigeria is a lumping of distinct nations into one. From time immemorial there has been a running battle especially among major tribes so how do u expect that others will knuckle down to autocratic dictates from one who isn't the same as them? Nigeria had tasted democracy though adulterated and u can be sure that no one can suddenly arrogate unto himself the power to be judge,jury and executioner without stiff resistance.

For decades past, people have always wanted their distinct identity, case in point-Biafra. Given to a republican way of governance in its traditions, how do u expect a dictatorship to work without crises? Is it not obvious some will be more favoured and superior than others? That will certainly not make Nigeria better because discrimination will be rife without measure and it will be the norm. Can u live with that? Ur response to this question will only be in the affirmative if u are a muslim from the North or Western part of Nigeria.

Let's not encourage what will cause more harm in the long run in the name of fighting corruption.



Brother you have not said anything enough to convince me. That is why I said a Good God-fearing dictator because I don't see Democracy working for us. This people at the top have given themselves power. Let us create a people's constitution this people called Legislators no gree cause the Constitution the Military wrote favours their lootocrazy , Ok let's revert back to regional govt or resource control them still no gree cause it will not allow to enjoy this present benefit they are enjoying and the power to change these laws is in their hands so who will now save us from them now.
Re: Is A Good Dictatorship Better Than A Corrupt Democracy? by Pidggin(f): 8:54am On Jan 06, 2016
Dictators should wear millitary uniforms not civilian outfits.
Re: Is A Good Dictatorship Better Than A Corrupt Democracy? by drss2(m): 9:00am On Jan 06, 2016
by d time d zoo decends n digress to d level of dictatorship found in north korea, zoogerians go hear am. an article writting by a zombie to defend buari's tyrrany n dictatorship. well am not surprised, buari was never a democrat. a leopard cannot change its spots.
Re: Is A Good Dictatorship Better Than A Corrupt Democracy? by abduljabbar4(m): 9:02am On Jan 06, 2016
ScotsReferendum:



You mean people using multiple handles or people that have eaten Aisha's rice

Guy it is not what we say online that matters, it is what the ordinary man on the street sees that matters

Today, go to Akure and find the price of fuel





Signed

Scots Referendum cool

United Nations Referendum kiss

Even in the streets you hardly find anybody complaining about Buhari. Truly, people were complaining about Buhari in the last 2 months but now things have gotten better. I cant remember the last time Nepa took light in my house, petrol is available and at the legal price salaries are being paid. I live in Kaduna and i listen to radio stations regularly. You will see people calling to express their pleasure with the way Buhari is fighting corruption
Re: Is A Good Dictatorship Better Than A Corrupt Democracy? by mrmetoo1: 9:24am On Jan 06, 2016
ScotsReferendum:



You mean people using multiple handles or people that have eaten Aisha's rice

Guy it is not what we say online that matters, it is what the ordinary man on the street sees that matters

Today, go to Akure and find the price of fuel





Signed

Scots Referendum cool

United Nations Referendum kiss

The same thing you guys said during the elections, please what was the outcome? You guys need to face reality and accept the fact that most people support this war on corruption even if it affects their family member. Nigeria shouldn't be where we are today, like someone said earlier, all it takes is going to few countries coming back to Nigeria and feeling like you were thrown some centuries back. Car companies are heavily investing in self driving cars, Nigeria can't even boast of roads for regular cars. Enough is enough please. Are you not tired of the way the country is? Are you not tired in people's destiny being stolen everyday? Like the op said, if these so called billionaire politicians were giving the same playing field as a lot of regular Nigerians they won't make it.
Re: Is A Good Dictatorship Better Than A Corrupt Democracy? by freeze001(f): 9:40am On Jan 06, 2016
mikolo80:
he said good dictatorship, you're the one who labelled it evil. why, cos one lazy baba with a high falutin sounding title and grey hair said so. ? if he knows so much why is he selling handout and intimidatIng students. good is always better than bad my friend. so good 'evil ' dictatorship is always better than evil 'good ' democracy.
ask China Singapore Korea and Malaysia

I am saying that dictatorship in its entirety is evil and bad, pure and simple! You don't take an expired product, change the dates and pronounce it good.. it is rotten in and of itself! That is my opinion and my response to the question.
Re: Is A Good Dictatorship Better Than A Corrupt Democracy? by sarutobie(m): 10:04am On Jan 06, 2016
krendo:
dictatorship itself is corruption
Absolute power always corrupts!
a "good dictator" in itself is an oxymoron.
Re: Is A Good Dictatorship Better Than A Corrupt Democracy? by Yanks101: 10:25am On Jan 06, 2016
bakynes:
I just pity some people in this country especially these PDP goons who just hate Buhari for no just cause. Some of you haven't travelled to developed countries before and see that Nigeria looks like an 18th century country. I agree with the OP a country like Nigeria needs a God-fearing dictator like Buhari. The Western type of Democracy cannot work for the black Man because of the greed and wickedness we carry. Most of these Arab country don't practice the Western type of Democracy. As much as the west hate Ghaddafi as a dictator, he put things in place in Libya. Cause I don't see how these democracy that is not about the people but people in govt will work. In Dubai, Saudi Arabia they don't practise Democracy but the system works for the good of the people just that the freedom of speech is limited. I will take that over a system that doesn't work where people cannot feed well, cannot have access to good health care with Freedom of Speech. I prefer to live well with limited freedom of speech than freedom of speech with an empty stomach.
But buhari wil only be there for eight years at most.
Let me assume for the sake or agument that buhari is a good dictator, what now happens when we have a bad dictator after buhari? There is already a precedence for dictatorship.
Saudi arabia is a monarchy governed by islamic laws. The system is already set in stone. You can't compare that to Nigeria.
Re: Is A Good Dictatorship Better Than A Corrupt Democracy? by Yanks101: 10:27am On Jan 06, 2016
freeze001:


I am saying that dictatorship in its entirety is evil and bad, pure and simple! You don't take an expired product, change the dates and pronounce it good.. it is rotten in and of itself! That is my opinion and my response to the question.
These guys think buhari will be there for forever.
Very myopic lots.
Re: Is A Good Dictatorship Better Than A Corrupt Democracy? by bakynes(m): 12:07pm On Jan 06, 2016
freeze001:


I am saying that dictatorship in its entirety is evil and bad, pure and simple! You don't take an expired product, change the dates and pronounce it good.. it is rotten in and of itself! That is my opinion and my response to the question.
You might see it as a bad dictatorship but every country needs a very firm, incorruptible leader at a time like this in Nigeria where our leaders just want to loot our future away. Am sure some people like you must have opposed a Lee Kwan yeuw ( pardon the spelling) in singapore who also came at a bad time to rescue his people from bad leadership. We need a leader like Buhari at this stage am sure that was his intention when he came to power in the military era but people thought he was too harsh but he had good intention to clean up the misconduct and the corruption in the second republic. If you know you did not steal from the National Treasury, you have nothing to fear about it is only thieves that fear Buhari . If you have a good dictator his mission will only be to come clean up the system, set up a constitution for the people, a system that works for the people and leave not be a president for life. It is only bad dictators who want to die there.
Re: Is A Good Dictatorship Better Than A Corrupt Democracy? by bakynes(m): 12:13pm On Jan 06, 2016
Yanks101:
These guys think buhari will be there for forever.
Very myopic lots.
Yes he won't be there forever but he seems to be the only person out of all our leaders who have the interest of the masses at heart. If his mission is to be a dictator that will clean up the system and make new laws that will be strictly enforced that will benefit the good people of Nigeria then leave it to a democrat to continue the system will work. If we had practised strict enforcement of law in Nigeria and a people's constitution form the start of democracy we wldnt have been in this mess.
Re: Is A Good Dictatorship Better Than A Corrupt Democracy? by porshuch: 12:14pm On Jan 06, 2016
The only thing Nigeria needs now is Dictator. We need to purge out corruption out of this country.
Re: Is A Good Dictatorship Better Than A Corrupt Democracy? by baralatie(m): 12:24pm On Jan 06, 2016
mikolo80:
you didn't answer the question
The question was answered
Re: Is A Good Dictatorship Better Than A Corrupt Democracy? by baralatie(m): 12:26pm On Jan 06, 2016
porshuch:
The only thing Nigeria needs now is Dictator. We need to purge out corruption out of this country.
Democracy and dictatorship cannot be in the same sentence.
And Nigeria does not need a dictatorial leadership
Re: Is A Good Dictatorship Better Than A Corrupt Democracy? by Wizlove(m): 12:53pm On Jan 06, 2016
As soon as you make people do things out of their will, you're a dictator. Mind you there are basic human rights in Nigeria and the will of one man can't supersede the Collective will of the masses. There is a limit to what every one can take that's where anarchy comes in. Take for instance,pmb is fighting corruption which I acknowledge and appreciate but I have a problem and its the way he is going about. How can you tell reasonable people that no body in cabinet is corrupt when the facts are there.
Re: Is A Good Dictatorship Better Than A Corrupt Democracy? by Ngokafor(f): 1:27pm On Jan 06, 2016
talktimi:
Aisha jollof rice working on overdrive, the lying liars are trying seriously to convince Nigerians to allow Buhari's govt suspend the constitution, check out the tone of their threads here on nairaland these past days, even my boy arresa hailed Babangida and Abacha regimes as the best thing to happen to Nigeria since agege bread with ewa agoyin. This is really a case of cutting the nose to spite the face.

Our darling Bubu should hear the voice of Nigerians VERY VERY clearly.

* We support your administration wholeheartedly because a peaceful nation ensures our livelihood.
* We support your fight against corruption as long as its within the tenets of the law and it's not selective.
* We love our democracy & constitution with the passion of a jealous lover.
* If Nigerians needed the constitution to be suspended, we would have invited the military to take over but NO, the army should stay in their barracks and protect us from there. 2019 is around the corner, if you're tired by then you can forget about contesting for reelection.
* But if you president Buhari feel that working with a constitution will be as hard or even harder than applied quantum physics, then PLEASE and PLEASE step aside i.e. resign let your VP take over as he seems very capable and millenium compliant for the job.

Dear Mr president, you've been asking for this pudding, so you must finish it as served.

Thanks very much.

YOU LYING LIARS & MÂSTURBATORS SHOULD ARGUE WITH YOUR ANCESTORS.








...lol@Aisha jollof rice.. grin cheesy..nairalanders sef cheesy
Re: Is A Good Dictatorship Better Than A Corrupt Democracy? by freeze001(f): 6:13pm On Jan 06, 2016
bakynes:

You might see it as a bad dictatorship but every country needs a very firm, incorruptible leader at a time like this in Nigeria where our leaders just want to loot our future away. Am sure some people like you must have opposed a Lee Kwan yeuw ( pardon the spelling) in singapore who also came at a bad time to rescue his people from bad leadership. We need a leader like Buhari at this stage am sure that was his intention when he came to power in the military era but people thought he was too harsh but he had good intention to clean up the misconduct and the corruption in the second republic. If you know you did not steal from the National Treasury, you have nothing to fear about it is only thieves that fear Buhari . If you have a good dictator his mission will only be to come clean up the system, set up a constitution for the people, a system that works for the people and leave not be a president for life. It is only bad dictators who want to die there.

There is no such thing as good or bad dictatorship! It is already a bad n rotten negative and calling it a bad dictatorship is mere tautology. It is what it is and that consists of concentrating power on one person or entity without proper checks and balances. That never ends well no matter the supposed good intentions. It is either d dictator gets drunk on the power he wields or it is hijacked by people with more sinister intentions who need such a dark cloak afforded by dictatorship without scrutiny.

There might have been some hope if he was working with clean n young technocrats who are determined to make things right but he has surrounded himself with hardcore, corrupt n rotten politicians, a good number of whom nurse ambitions for higher offices so what do u expect?

Who guarantees his supposed good intentions and incorruptibibility when he cannot even abide by the laws and rather wants to rule by perception? There is danger in endorsing such trends no matter how well-intentioned. It is better to err on the side of caution....and better safe than sorry. It is better to prevent than to start seeking cures afterwards.

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Re: Is A Good Dictatorship Better Than A Corrupt Democracy? by Nobody: 7:37pm On Jan 06, 2016
There is nothing like a good dictatorship, if u like paint it with white it will always bring out a black color...


The worst democracy is better than a military regime....

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