Patchesagain:


1. The AMCIT turret is designed so that it CAN carry ATGM's and a 30mm cannon....
54 missile turrets equipped with the GI30 30 mm gun and Denel Dynamics Ingwe anti-tank missile system
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=35423:bae-land-systems-to-supply-sights-for-badger-ifv&catid=50:Land&Itemid=105

But the SANDF did not select that option as it does not suit our doctrine - a sentiment echoed by all other Western Nations in their modern wheeled IFV's

2. Because we choose ARMOR over the ability to float. The Badger is more heavily armored than your BTR, which makes it better.

3. Where are you getting this info from? Badger has 30mm protection on the frontal arc as STANDARD.


Your BRT is:

- Not as well armored
- Has inferior situational awareness
- Has an inferior gun
- Has no Hunter-Killer capabilities
- Has no protection against COIN and 4G threats
- Is not data-link compliant
- Has no fire-support variant
- Has no APC variant
- Has no ambulance variant
- Has no Tank-Hunter Variant
- Has no Command Variant

1 - Buhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha......


"That's the exact same reason the Nigerian government rejected the F-22.


2- you chose Armour over the ability to float, yet your Armour can only provide protection against 7.62mm rounds while our's provide protection against RPGs, 30mms and can still swim.

You are led by a bunch of clueless hippis, who call themselves generals.


3. Nope according to all sources provided it only provides protection against 7.62mm. Even Proforce LAPVs provide more protection than badger IFVs.

Patchesagain:

le citation pls?
We ordered 236 in our first haul...

Office of the NSA

Patchesagain:



Protection - badger with add on armor has the same protection, and has withstood MULTIPLE RPG hits. Unlike your BTR it has protection against IEDs/Mines

Mobility - Badger can be amphibious and has 850km range

Armament - Badger IFV has a superior 30mm (most advanced in the world). Your BRT's dont have ATGM's they have AGL's instead

Also, your BTR does not come as a fire support variant (60mm long range mortar) or dedicated ATGM unit.

You also forgot -

Situational awareness - Badger IFV has hunter-killer capabilities, BTR does not. Badger has MATIS thermal imagers, does the BTR?

Yes, it is a no brainer... Badger takes the day!!

You are lost. You simply cannot say the truth to save yourself.

Henry240:


Self-protection features of the Badger ICV
The all-welded steel armoured hull of Badger protects the
crew from small arms fire and shell splinters.

with a maximum cruising range of
800 km.


www.army-technology.com/projects/badger-infantry-combat-vehicle/

www.armyrecognition.com/south_africa_african_army_wheeled_armoured_vehicle/badger_denel_8x8_armoured_infantry_fighting_vehicle_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures.html



No evidence = No bueno


Small arms fire and splinters =/ = 30mm & RPG, they are not even close.


Maximum range of 800km = /= close to 1000km, remember this when next you want to post another pap induced comment.

Read up my retaarded little friend:

http://www.military-today.com/apc/badger.htm

the Badger, also packs a formidable punch and is better protected than most current APCs

The Finnish Patria AMV is one of the most protected APCs that are currently available. Also it offers great protection against landmines. With add-on armor fitted front arc withstands hits from 30-mm armor-piercing rounds. Interior is fitted with spall liners. Two uparmored Polish Army vehicles were hit in Afghanistan by RPG-7 rockets, however armor was not penetrated and vehicles managed to return to base. Vehicle also has a top-class mine protection. It has integral protection in its belly, rather than using a V-hull, as with most mine-protected vehicles. It withstands blasts equivalent to up to 10 kg of TNT under any wheel or anywhere under the hull. Protection of the Badger is likely to be similar.

agaugust:


Scud missile

FROG missile

Swingfire missile

Ballistic missiles http://fas.org:8080/nuke/guide/egypt/missile/index.html
.

Egyptian missile programme is dead like a dog.

agaugust:


So whom does its datalink communicate with? ISTAR includes enemy target acquisition for army formations on the ground, that is the meaning of TA in ISTAR.


So, whom does the Beechraft datalink communicate enemy target positions to, it communicates with itself?

Fool of Soweto.

Only with itself and not with other platforms.

agaugust:


How do you know Egypt has not developed its own indeginous datalink? Its an ordinary software, or is datalink a nuclear weapon?

Egypt import ecerything and they rely on the outside world for tech. They even came to South Africa yo ask us to train their technicians, Engineers and technologists.

agaugust:


How do you know Egypt has not developed its own indeginous datalink? Its an ordinary software, or is datalink a nuclear weapon?

Bwahahaha… do you think TDL is just an ordinary software. Nope, it is hardware and software and does not come cheap. It requires expertise. After all if it was that easy Nigeria could have developed hundred many.

agaugust:


Is data link a weapon? Egyptian Rafales will kill SANDF and kill all yõur datalink when 1.5 million soldiers surround yöur 50,000 SANDF tiny army.

Egypt with zero tactical data link will have difficulty in commanding their systems to finally achieve that which you are suggesting. It will take them years or even not materialise. SANDF has over 1.5 million rounds to kill all Egyptian troops remember.

Henry240:


We are the only Nation in SSA that has operationally used data links.

Operationally, we are also the only one that have used ELINT compliant assets, AR-1, PL-9C, Falcon Eye, Satellite surveillance, networking & Tracking of assets just a part of the Navy's wider RMAFC, TRADOC -total radar coverage of Nigeria, MI-35m Hind E, MI-17 terminator, Up-graded Super-Puma Helos, ASW assets, CH-3A, Tactical squad drones, Up-graded Alpha jets, Stealth ships, Advanced rifles fitted with state-of-the-art visions etc etc


Again you South-Africans are yet to prove how you have the most technologically advanced military in Africa.

You only use integrated data link that comes with a platform but you don't have tactical data link as well as multi-tactical network. So your claim is invalid.

Simple, we have tactical data link and you have none. We can link all our platforms in one intergrated system for effective command, control and communication and you can't. So that's how we are technologically superior than you and Egypt.


If one of your base is hijacked by BH other platforms see nothing and will only be aware of it after some troops manage to escape and deliver the massage through radios or in person. If one of your fighter jets or aircraft crashes, you see nothing and you won't even know where to look for it. If all your troops are killed, newspapers will inform you. You are operating in isolated units as well as Egypt.


Tactical data link and multi-tactical network is very important since military will have to do everything manually without it. NATO cannot share it with anyone since you will be able to spy their activities. SA is now the only country outside NATO that can penetrate LINK 11 apart from using their own indeginous LINK ZA.

jln115:

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahabahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

Seriously I can't !!! I can't!! Henry my boy?? WTF!!

Giving details of the weapons to be acquired for the
operation of the Navy, the fiscal document states that the
sum of N5bn is budgeted for the procurement of three JF-17
Thunder-multi role combat aircraft.

Badger with its variants will be far superior than BTR.

Badger's protection is effective against landmines and IEDs.

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/badger-infantry-combat-vehicle/

Henry240:


Giving details of the weapons to be acquired for the
operation of the Navy, the fiscal document states that the
sum of N5bn is budgeted for the procurement of three JF-17
Thunder-multi role combat aircraft.

The Junk Fighter is still an inferior fighter. Do you even know that is just F7 slightly modified.

FG to spend N65bn on warplanes, weapons, others The Federal Government is proposing to spend N65.03bn for the acquisition of various military aircraft, combat equipment, trucks and maintenance of boats among others in the 2016 fiscal period. Details of this amount are contained in the 2016 budget which President Muhammadu Buhari presented to a joint session of the National Assembly in December, 2015. A copy of the budget for the military was obtained by our correspondent in Abuja on Tuesday. The N65.03bn, according to an analysis of the budget document, is part of the total sum of N311.38bn allocated to the Nigerian Army, Navy and Air Force for the 2016 fiscal year. Out of the N311.38bn, the sum of N139.8bn, made up of capital expenditure of N120.01bn and recurrent expenditure of N19.78bn is allocated to the Nigerian Army. For the Nigerian Navy, the sum of N85.97bn is allocated for its operations. This amount is made up of N60.33bn for recurrent expenditure and N25.64bn for capital spending. The Nigerian Air Force has a total budget of N85.61bn, made up of N62.15bn for recurrent expenditure and N23.46bn for capital expenditure. Giving details of the weapons to be acquired for the operation of the Navy, the fiscal document states that the sum of N5bn is budgeted for the procurement of three JF-17 Thunder-multi role combat aircraft. The government, according to the document, has also allocated the sum of N11.6bn for the procurement of two MI-35m helicopter, while N2.06bn is being proposed to acquire 10 Super Mushak trainer aircraft. Other operational equipment to be acquired for the Navy are aircraft spares, N1.7bn; combat equipment, outfits and training for Quick Response Force, N350m; arms and ammunition such as 30MM Canon, 68MM SNEB live rocket, F3 and F4 practice bomb, N480m. Also being proposed for the Navy is infrastructural development at the newly established Forward Operational Base and NAF Units at a cost of N2.2bn. For the Nigerian Army, the budget document states that the sum of N5.64bn has been budgeted for the purchase of defence equipment; N2bn for kitting of armed forces personnel; and N1.96bn for the purchase of trucks. Similarly, the sum of N2.07bn is being proposed for security votes including operations while N7.24bn has been budgeted for the construction of military barracks. For the Navy, the budget document states that the purchase of defence equipment will gulp N18.29bn while the sum of N372.95m and N734.06m are budgeted for the maintenance of aircraft and sea boats respectively. In the same vein, the document indicates that the government is planning to spend N1.7bn to purchase surveying equipment, N296.88m to fuel aircraft; N645.35m for sea boats and N706.07m for security votes, including operations.


Curled from the online punch newspaper

Even China as big as it is, it still struggles to develop TDL to integrate its large fleet of combat ships and aircrafts. We are superior than China.


http://www.afcea.org/content/?q=chinese-warships-struggle-meet-new-command-control-and-communications-needs

Henry240:
[s]FG to spend N65bn on warplanes, weapons, others
The Federal Government is proposing to spend N65.03bn for
the acquisition of various military aircraft, combat
equipment, trucks and maintenance of boats among others
in the 2016 fiscal period.
Details of this amount are contained in the 2016 budget
which President Muhammadu Buhari presented to a joint
session of the National Assembly in December, 2015.
A copy of the budget for the military was obtained by our
correspondent in Abuja on Tuesday.
The N65.03bn, according to an analysis of the budget
document, is part of the total sum of N311.38bn allocated to
the Nigerian Army, Navy and Air Force for the 2016 fiscal
year.
Out of the N311.38bn, the sum of N139.8bn, made up of
capital expenditure of N120.01bn and recurrent expenditure
of N19.78bn is allocated to the Nigerian Army.
For the Nigerian Navy, the sum of N85.97bn is allocated for
its operations. This amount is made up of N60.33bn for
recurrent expenditure and N25.64bn for capital spending.
The Nigerian Air Force has a total budget of N85.61bn, made
up of N62.15bn for recurrent expenditure and N23.46bn for
capital expenditure.
Giving details of the weapons to be acquired for the
operation of the Navy, the fiscal document states that the
sum of N5bn is budgeted for the procurement of three JF-17
Thunder-multi role combat aircraft.
The government, according to the document, has also
allocated the sum of N11.6bn for the procurement of two
MI-35m helicopter, while N2.06bn is being proposed to
acquire 10 Super Mushak trainer aircraft.
Other operational equipment to be acquired for the Navy
are aircraft spares, N1.7bn; combat equipment, outfits and
training for Quick Response Force, N350m; arms and
ammunition such as 30MM Canon, 68MM SNEB live rocket,
F3 and F4 practice bomb, N480m.
Also being proposed for the Navy is infrastructural
development at the newly established Forward Operational
Base and NAF Units at a cost of N2.2bn.
For the Nigerian Army, the budget document states that the
sum of N5.64bn has been budgeted for the purchase of
defence equipment; N2bn for kitting of armed forces
personnel; and N1.96bn for the purchase of trucks.
Similarly, the sum of N2.07bn is being proposed for security
votes including operations while N7.24bn has been
budgeted for the construction of military barracks.
For the Navy, the budget document states that the purchase
of defence equipment will gulp N18.29bn while the sum of
N372.95m and N734.06m are budgeted for the maintenance
of aircraft and sea boats respectively.
In the same vein, the document indicates that the
government is planning to spend N1.7bn to purchase
surveying equipment, N296.88m to fuel aircraft; N645.35m
for sea boats and N706.07m for security votes, including
operations.



Curled from the online punch newspaper

[/s]

South Africa also has plans and even budgeted to procure advanced weapons.

Let's have this discussion when you have all those not your wish list.

jln115:

Read up my retaarded little friend:

http://www.military-today.com/apc/badger.htm

the Badger, also packs a formidable punch and is better protected than most current APCs

The Finnish Patria AMV is one of the most protected APCs that are currently available. Also it offers great protection against landmines. With add-on armor fitted front arc withstands hits from 30-mm armor-piercing rounds. Interior is fitted with spall liners. Two uparmored Polish Army vehicles were hit in Afghanistan by RPG-7 rockets, however armor was not penetrated and vehicles managed to return to base. Vehicle also has a top-class mine protection. It has integral protection in its belly, rather than using a V-hull, as with most mine-protected vehicles. It withstands blasts equivalent to up to 10 kg of TNT under any wheel or anywhere under the hull. Protection of the Badger is likely to be similar.

No Evidence = No Bueno


Finish Patriah AMV =/= Badger..... Remember


Badger IFV can only provide protection against 7.62 all sources prove this. If you have a contrary source on the Badger, provide it.

Henry240:


No Evidence = No Bueno


Finish Patriah AMV =/= Badger..... Remember


Badger IFV can only provide protection against 7.62 all sources prove this. If you have a contrary source on the Badger, provide it.

Google will give you evidence

Henry240:
FG to spend N65bn on warplanes, weapons, others
The Federal Government is proposing to spend N65.03bn for
the acquisition of various military aircraft, combat
equipment, trucks and maintenance of boats among others
in the 2016 fiscal period.
Details of this amount are contained in the 2016 budget
which President Muhammadu Buhari presented to a joint
session of the National Assembly in December, 2015.
A copy of the budget for the military was obtained by our
correspondent in Abuja on Tuesday.
The N65.03bn, according to an analysis of the budget
document, is part of the total sum of N311.38bn allocated to
the Nigerian Army, Navy and Air Force for the 2016 fiscal
year.
Out of the N311.38bn, the sum of N139.8bn, made up of
capital expenditure of N120.01bn and recurrent expenditure
of N19.78bn is allocated to the Nigerian Army.
For the Nigerian Navy, the sum of N85.97bn is allocated for
its operations. This amount is made up of N60.33bn for
recurrent expenditure and N25.64bn for capital spending.
The Nigerian Air Force has a total budget of N85.61bn, made
up of N62.15bn for recurrent expenditure and N23.46bn for
capital expenditure.
Giving details of the weapons to be acquired for the
operation of the Navy, the fiscal document states that the
sum of N5bn is budgeted for the procurement of three JF-17
Thunder-multi role combat aircraft.
The government, according to the document, has also
allocated the sum of N11.6bn for the procurement of two
MI-35m helicopter, while N2.06bn is being proposed to
acquire 10 Super Mushak trainer aircraft.
Other operational equipment to be acquired for the Navy
are aircraft spares, N1.7bn; combat equipment, outfits and
training for Quick Response Force, N350m; arms and
ammunition such as 30MM Canon, 68MM SNEB live rocket,
F3 and F4 practice bomb, N480m.
Also being proposed for the Navy is infrastructural
development at the newly established Forward Operational
Base and NAF Units at a cost of N2.2bn.
For the Nigerian Army, the budget document states that the
sum of N5.64bn has been budgeted for the purchase of
defence equipment; N2bn for kitting of armed forces
personnel; and N1.96bn for the purchase of trucks.
Similarly, the sum of N2.07bn is being proposed for security
votes including operations while N7.24bn has been
budgeted for the construction of military barracks.
For the Navy, the budget document states that the purchase
of defence equipment will gulp N18.29bn while the sum of
N372.95m and N734.06m are budgeted for the maintenance
of aircraft and sea boats respectively.
In the same vein, the document indicates that the
government is planning to spend N1.7bn to purchase
surveying equipment, N296.88m to fuel aircraft; N645.35m
for sea boats and N706.07m for security votes, including
operations.



Curled from the online punch newspaper

That's why MTN was fined with a hefty penalty. Nigeria does not have money. You will have wait for MTN which might not even pay you.

Henry240:


No Evidence = No Bueno


Finish Patriah AMV =/= Badger..... Remember


Badger IFV can only provide protection against 7.62 all sources prove this. If you have a contrary source on the Badger, provide it.

30% of SANDF badgers will come as original patria built from Finland. However, Badger is said to be more protected than patria.

.

agaugust:
.

Have you been choked by cassava?

mzilakazi:


30% of SANDF badgers will come as original patria built from Finland. However, Badger is said to be more protected than patria.

We have seen photos of SANDF Badgers, they have only one major weapon in standard Badger configuration, ONE SINGLE 30 MM CANNON WITH LOW RATE OF FIRE ONLY !

Finland's Patria has no DENEL equipment, or have you changed your boast that DENEL components make up 70% of the Badger? How can you have 70% DENEL components and still claim the Badger is same as the Finland made Patria? You contradict yourself dummy !

The extra protection for the Badger is NOT on the hull/body, it is under chassis for land mine protection. A simple browning machine gun will penetrate the body of SANDF Badger.....fvcking IFV with obsolete configuration, one main gun only in 2015 modern age !

Nigerian BTR-4 is the most advanced IFV in Africa ! FACT !
.

agaugust:


[s]We have seen photos of SANDF Badgers, they have only one major weapon in standard Badger configuration, ONE SINGLE 30 MM CANNON WITH LOW RATE OF FIRE ONLY !

Finland's Patria has no DENEL equipment, or have you changed your boast that DENEL components make up 70% of the Badger? How can you have 70% DENEL components and still claim the Badger is same as the Finland made Patria? You contradict yourself dummy !

The extra protection for the Badger is NOT on the hull/body, it is under chassis for land mine protection. A simple browning machine gun will penetrate the body of SANDF Badger.....fvcking IFV with obsolete configuration, one main gun only in 2015 modern age !

Nigerian BTR-4 is the most advanced IFV in Africa ! FACT !
.

[/s]


Badger comes in 5 variants which obviously will supersede BTR Capabilities and technology.


http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-32730/

QUOTE:

A notable feature of the Badger is its modular turret system, developed in five variants, namely Section, Command, Mortar, Missile and Fire Support models. A single turret structure, fitted with different weapon modules, will simplify the logistic support and reduce the cost of through-life support, Denel said.

agaugust:
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Nigeria Buys JF-17 Thunder jets...Confirmed By Federal Government.

http://www.punchng.com/fg-to-spend-n65bn-on-warplanes-weapons-others/




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Waste of cash.

Henry240:


1 - Buhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha......


"That's the exact same reason the Nigerian government rejected the F-22.


2- you chose Armour over the ability to float, yet your Armour can only provide protection against 7.62mm rounds while our's provide protection against RPGs, 30mms and can still swim.

You are led by a bunch of clueless hippis, who call themselves generals.


3. Nope according to all sources provided it only provides protection against 7.62mm. Even Proforce LAPVs provide more protection than badger IFVs.

1. We rejected it because we dont need it or use it in that configuration - see, we (unlike you) have a doctrine, that means we can rely on role-specific units

2. No:

BTR4 is only protected against small arms and shell splinters in standard form:

A baseline version of the BTR-4 provides all-round protection against 7.62-mm ball rounds and artillery shell splinters.
http://www.military-today.com/apc/btr_4.htm

The vehicle, in its standard form, can provide protection against small arms fire and mine blasts.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/btr-4-armoured-personnel-carrier/

Badger is protected against 30mm on the frontal arc in its BASELINE format:

AMV offers the best ballistic protection level in its class, providing front sector protection against APFSDS rounds up to 30 mm and excellent defence against IEDs, EFPs as well as TNT mines of up to 10 kg.
http://patria.fi/en/products-and-services/armoured-wheeled-vehicles/patria-amv-armoured-modular-vehicle-product-family

So, in baseline format - Badger is better protected.

3. No, according to the manufacturer this is untrue.

Henry240:


Office of the NSA

Le citation PLS

FighterPilot:
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Badger comes in 5 variants which obviously will supersede BTR Capabilities and technology.


http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-32730/

QUOTE:

A notable feature of the Badger is its modular turret system, developed in five variants, namely Section, Command, Mortar, Missile and Fire Support models. A single turret structure, fitted with different weapon modules, will simplify the logistic support and reduce the cost of through-life support, Denel said.

Fool, the missile Badger carries no 30mm cannon, the Badger variants that are not standard do not carry the major cannon.

Problem of the Badger is that each variant carries only one major weapon, that is obsolete IFV doctrine.

Modern IFVs like the Nigerian BTR-4 carries 3 major weapons ALL AT THE SAME TIME ON ONE STANDARD VEHICLE....30mm cannon, 30mm automatic grenade launcher, and anti-tank missiles.

Badger is obsolete on arrival....18 years ago old concept
.

Henry240:


No Evidence = No Bueno


Finish Patriah AMV =/= Badger..... Remember


Badger IFV can only provide protection against 7.62 all sources prove this. If you have a contrary source on the Badger, provide it.

Manufacturers specs have been provided

agaugust:


We have seen photos of SANDF Badgers, they have only one major weapon in standard Badger configuration, ONE SINGLE 30 MM CANNON WITH LOW RATE OF FIRE ONLY !

Finland's Patria has no DENEL equipment, or have you changed your boast that DENEL components make up 70% of the Badger? How can you have 70% DENEL components and still claim the Badger is same as the Finland made Patria? You contradict yourself dummy !

The extra protection for the Badger is NOT on the hull/body, it is under chassis for land mine protection. A simple browning machine gun will penetrate the body of SANDF Badger.....fvcking IFV with obsolete configuration, one main gun only in 2015 modern age !

Nigerian BTR-4 is the most advanced IFV in Africa ! FACT !
.

1. The Hull is produced in Finland - so the hull is the exact same as the AMV

2. the rest of the vehicle (70%) is made and designed in RSA

3. Badger comes standard with 30mm protection on the frontal arc.

All modern Western IFV's have only one gun system... so they are obsolete too?

agaugust:
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Nigeria Buys JF-17 Thunder jets...Confirmed By Federal Government.

http://www.punchng.com/fg-to-spend-n65bn-on-warplanes-weapons-others/




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wow

3 jets

So impressive

*clap*