...coming soon. ..

Is God the author of confusion? Why do we have different prophecies contradicting one another from the same God by different head of assemblies year in, year out? Does the new testament teach such predictions as it was of the old covenant or these men are plainly confused? What does it mean in the new covenant to prohesy? These and many more we'll be looking into.

Goshen360:
...coming soon. ..

Is God the author of confusion? Why do we have different prophecies contradicting one another from the same God by different head of assemblies year in, year out? Does the new testament teach such predictions as it was of the old covenant or these men are plainly confused? What does it mean in the new covenant to prohesy? These and many more we'll be looking into.

trouble de sleep. Yanger go wake am! It depends, if its fore-telling, na confusion in d market, but if its forth-telling na manipulation, and its allowed.. It is well sir.

christemmbassey:
trouble de sleep. Yanger go wake am! It depends, if its fore-telling, na confusion in d market, but if its forth-telling na manipulation, and its allowed.. It is well sir.

Man of God, happy new year. I'm still trying to find little time to put my thoughts together on these yearly "kalo-kalo" system that is in vogue now. And the people are now used to lies, wanting to hear year "fore - telling" in the name of prophecies as we're running a herbalist movement.

One of them said, Obama will try run a third time and tears filled my heart for Nigeria. ...say e go happen for America? We seriously need an emergency to save the church from the grip of these unlearned men twisting scripture for their own destruction.

subscribing. I am genuinely curious as to what your gripe is

Share your thought brother, Amen!

Yes.. God is never author of confusion. Am waiting Bro.

Its funny how the so called prophets use words like might, may as if it s gambling. They say Nigeria may experience bla bla bla, how is that prophecy. Or even the one they perform in their churches. A pastor walks into a congregation of 1000 people and says that a member will get married, or get a job, or promotion or another wonderful news, now what are the odds of that not happening amongst a group of 1000 or more people. I just pity those that listen to them

I have always wondered the same thing myself. Its just amazing the contradictions and the 'doom' most spill. Lets hear from you sir Goshen360

We're going to walk this walk together. I'm so busy but trying to find enough time to write intensive teach teaching so I will adopt another method - I'll try split it up. First, let us begin with what prophecy is and what it is not.

PropheCy - This is what is being spoken

PropheSy - The ACT or VERB of speaking.

The word, prophesy is the Greek, prophēteuō (pro, "forth," phēteuō "to speak" which mean "the declaration of or speaking forth of the mind, will and counsel of God ". It is not necessarily nor primarily fore-telling nor prediction but a declaration of that which cannot be known by natural means except by the Spirit of God - 2 Peter 1:21

Also, we need to understand is, there is a huge difference between prophecies in the OT as some of them appears to be sometimes predictions or fore-telling vs prophecies in the NT as the prophecies in the NT are mainly to speak forth or declare the divine will and purpose of God in an inspired preaching and teaching. This is because, the OT prophets functioned in the prophetic OFFICE (because Christ had not yet come to give gifts unto men) while the NT prophets is a GIFT resurrected and ascended Christ. An office is a position you occupy for a reason, purpose and time but a gift is what is given unto to you which remains with you nor can it be taken back.

The Abuse of The Gift Of Prophet

Today, many head of assemblies\churches especially in Nigeria abuse the gift of prophets of the NT, using it to make educated guess and predictions which has nothing whatsoever to do with faith and the gifts to the body of Christ and nobody calling these men out. The church today is comfort with lies and prediction gambling from these men from the pulpit. The NT never in one single verse used the gift of prophet to make any fallacious predictions to the church of Christ rather it was functionally used to declare the divine will and purpose of God in an inspired preaching and teaching and also it is to:

1 - Believers; edify, comfort and encourage. 1 Cor. 14:3.

2 - Unbelievers; show that the secrets of a man's heart are known to God, convict of sin constrain to worship. 1 Cor. 14:24 - 25.

Like the Bereans, we need to ask, where does these men get the idea of using the gift of prophet to make yearly predictions that never come to past?

. . . to be continue

The society makes the man. Thats what Nigerian christians want. Check their cars, doors, fridges, beds etc you will see '2016 my year of this, that, bla bla, some can paste stickers from 5 churces. . Appart from this yearly confusion, d one dat really anoys me is a practice where a mog must prophesy b4 u as a member can do anything. Pastor must prophesy b4 u marry, build a house, buy a car, pass exams, get a visa, get pregnant etc. In my church, a brother wantet to buy a car, he went for counselling, the next tuesday fellowship meeting, he was called out and car was prophesied into his life. Recieve a car! I say recieve a car, whether u like it or not, u must buy a car next week !! Bla bla etc etc. The next week, me that was not prophesied to bought a car. Bros, come see me n pastor wahala, 'how can u buy a car without 1st telling ur pastor? Bros, ' was preaching topic for a long time. So, we encouraged d confusion. Bc , if we refuse to listen to d nonsense, they will stop Ok, what about fasting for 100 days from January etc

@ Goshen360 sir are you a Philosopher ?

Rick9:
@ Goshen360 sir are you a Philosopher ?

Maybe, a YES!

A Philosopher of the Grace of God though.

Goshen360:

Maybe, a YES!
A Philosopher of the Grace of God though.

You should have asked me why asked the question, well its because of the way you reason , ur reasoning is far above human comprehension, u apply logical rules in reasoning that's why most nairalanders are finding it very difficult to understand you, only a Philosopher can reason the way you reason.

Rick9:

You should have asked me why asked the question, well its because of the way you reason , ur reasoning is far above human comprehension, u apply logical rules in reasoning that's why most nairalanders are finding it very difficult to understand you, only a Philosopher can reason the way you reason.

Aww, thanks for the compliment my brother.

Goshen360:


Aww, thanks for the compliment my brother.

have read some of your posts I'm the past, if u check well have been following u for a very long time, your posts are always thought-provoking, it challenges one to think, but trust 9ja Christians na when someone raises questions that challenges the mind, you will be branded a false prophet, a confusionist, a pagan, someone possessed with legions of demons, in short you need urgent deliverance, you don't have the spirit of discernment, you are misleading others, you are not in the sheepfold, trust me the gullibility of most Christians is quite alarming. Continue to enlighten the masses, u are doing a great job by fixing gullibility where gullibility is, the word of God is pure and undiluted. God be Praised

But I believe u are a Philosopher.

I think this yearly prediction razzmatazz is an extension of the notion that prophecy is forth telling so they are forth telling for the year to inspire their members and ginger them to prayer. This may be good or bad depending on how you look at it but obviously it is being overflogged and abused with absurd predictions which have nothing to do with the purpose of prophecy and give nothing to the body of Christ except to boost egos.

Goshen360:


Man of God, happy new year. I'm still trying to find little time to put my thoughts together on these yearly "kalo-kalo" system that is in vogue now. And the people are now used to lies, wanting to hear year "fore - telling" in the name of prophecies as we're running a herbalist movement.

One of them said, Obama will try run a third time and tears filled my heart for Nigeria. ...say e go happen for America? We seriously need an emergency to save the church from the grip of these unlearned men twisting scripture for their own destruction.

My broda,
I think demand fuels supply. There is such a serious demand for this garbage which explains why any fool with a mouth is in business. Why do we demand this? It is the flesh that can't stand a 1 hour bible study but can afford a 24hr demon interrogation

vooks:

Why do we demand this? It is the flesh that can't stand a 1 hour bible study

Praying for the year and hoping for a successful year is one thing. But failing to plan for the year, understand economic trends, and plan accordingly doth not a prayer help.
This cat can see a lion in the mirror. No matter how strong its beliefs are, the cat would never be able to roar.


The world the Bible paints is far removed from the world in which millions of desperate Nigerians live in. Most of our academic institutions are glorified 'CERTIFICATE' centers. Rather than instill knowledge, they instill 'KNOWledge'; who you know na im u go use make am. There's little to no emphasis on basic virtues like trust, love, social responsibilities and how we are our society. These ideals are critical and necessary for a society to function optimally.

And so they've become a mockery,a charade. They preach lofty ideals on the pulpits, while corrupt politicians line the the front rows. 'The little kid sees this, he sees this clearly 'It's all about power. Get money, get power, then come dine with GOD'..

The solution isn't more Bible study, Nigerians have done enough of that. It's time to put our brains to use. You don't have to be a mumu to go to heaven.

vooks:

My broda,
I think demand fuels supply. There is such a serious demand for this garbage which explains why any fool with a mouth is in business. Why do we demand this? It is the flesh that can't stand a 1 hour bible study but can afford a 24hr demon interrogation

You eh, you too get skills. ...

Goshen360:


You eh, you too get skills. ...

Yes I do but I fear God ooo

sonOfLucifer:

Praying for the year and hoping for a successful year is one thing. But failing to plan for the year, understand economic trends, and plan accordingly doth not a prayer help.
This cat can see a lion in the mirror. No matter how strong its beliefs are, the cat would never be able to roar.


The world the Bible paints is far removed from the world in which millions of desperate Nigerians live in. Most of our academic institutions are glorified 'CERTIFICATE' centers. Rather than instill knowledge, they instill 'KNOWledge'; who you know na im u go use make am. There's little to no emphasis on basic virtues like trust, love, social responsibilities and how we are our society. These ideals are critical and necessary for a society to function optimally.

And so they've become a mockery,a charade. They preach lofty ideals on the pulpits, while corrupt politicians line the the front rows. 'The little kid sees this, he sees this clearly 'It's all about power. Get money, get power, then come dine with GOD'..

The solution isn't more Bible study, Nigerians have done enough of that. It's time to put our brains to use. You don't have to be a mumu to go to heaven.

You know my negro buddy I partly agree with what you are saying.
Prayers and bible study don't make garri; that's for the fire/heat either from firewood,charcoal,gas or electricity. But just because the bible has no garri recipes don't mean it is inferior in any way. No sir, scriptures have their place.

Paul the apostle to the Gentiles was a Scholar before and after his conversion. Scriptures nowhere encourage indolence. Paul tells me if I don't work I should not eat. He forfeited his right to sustenance from the church so he could demonstrate the virtue of work by working.Study the ethos of the Puritans who built America from scratch; Christians and hard workers. Israel got manna only during their wilderness. They got to Canaan and had to learn farming. Am not sure why Negro Christians are the laziest because laziness is the furthest thing from scriptures.

Any m0ron seeking shortcuts to life in the scriptures is in for a rough ride and #EpicDisappointment

LordReed:
I think this yearly prediction razzmatazz is an extension of the notion that prophecy is forth telling so they are forth telling for the year to inspire their members and ginger them to prayer. This may be good or bad depending on how you look at it but obviously it is being overflogged and abused with absurd predictions which have nothing to do with the purpose of prophecy and give nothing to the body of Christ except to boost egos.

I agree with u sir.
Most Nigerians are lazy, and expect to be pushed all the time to do something. Some people are Physically and spiritually.
Especially spiritually. Most of us don't pray, I mean commune with God. We just go to church hoping that the pastor will perform miracles and gives us exactly what he desire.
There are principles guiding every ordnance in the scripture, but how many of us are applying or engaging those principles? It's just words. Most "Pastors" now know that, people will rather claim their blessings, than work them out, so have taken advantage of that angle, and are doing more harm than good.

Like LordReed said, it's meant to spur us up to engage the spiritual more, but engaging the spiritual without engaging in physical work, will amount to failure at the end of the year.

People are spiritually so lazy, that they rather let the pastor read the Bible, and regurgitate to them. What the Op is saying is so true, but how many read to know for themselves? And Satan ceasing the occasion, has build a monument of deceit in church.

Has anyone noticed that this fake pastors and prophets hold their church services on week days and during working hours? There's one close to my house. Tuesday 9am they have started, till 5pm. After which many will stay back to get personal prophecies from the prophet. Sometimes 10pm this folk are still in church.
Every other day is counselling. And to see the prophet, you buy a pass of 5,000.00k. Am serious. Not exaggerating.
Whatever you need the prophet to do for you, he charges according to your age. That's outside additional charges that accrues as you proceed.

How old are you?
40yrs. What do you want?
A husband.
Fine.
Your assignment fee is 40,000.00.

I know a family who brought their son who had health challenge. He was kind of mental. He charged them 300,0000.00 for their assignment fee. But they ended up living in that church premises for two good years. Money kept coming out of them. He told them he needed to go to their village to dig out a charm buried by their enemy, if not, the boy won't be well. But for that two years, he never found time to go. The boys father sold his land to see that his boy became well again. Yet nothing. At last, it became a very serious issue, to take his family out of the place, because the boys mother wont go home or accept to find help some where else. The prophet had her hypnotised, and all says was, "my Papa said".
Other methods had to be engaged to deliver this family out of that place.
Satan in the details.

sonOfLucifer:

Praying for the year and hoping for a successful year is one thing. But failing to plan for the year, understand economic trends, and plan accordingly doth not a prayer help.
This cat can see a lion in the mirror. No matter how strong its beliefs are, the cat would never be able to roar.


The world the Bible paints is far removed from the world in which millions of desperate Nigerians live in. Most of our academic institutions are glorified 'CERTIFICATE' centers. Rather than instill knowledge, they instill 'KNOWledge'; who you know na im u go use make am. There's little to no emphasis on basic virtues like trust, love, social responsibilities and how we are our society. These ideals are critical and necessary for a society to function optimally.

And so they've become a mockery,a charade. They preach lofty ideals on the pulpits, while corrupt politicians line the the front rows. 'The little kid sees this, he sees this clearly 'It's all about power. Get money, get power, then come dine with GOD'..

The solution isn't more Bible study, Nigerians have done enough of that. It's time to put our brains to use. You don't have to be a mumu to go to heaven.

By dear, these people are not about going to heaven. They know deep down what they are wrong. They know. Like you said, the world the Bible paints is so far remove from the world today? I see a pattern there. I think it also has to do with fulfilling prophecies. If that's the case, then there's nothing anyone can do about all of these. These will happen. Just don't be part of it.

sonOfLucifer:

Praying for the year and hoping for a successful year is one thing. But failing to plan for the year, understand economic trends, and plan accordingly doth not a prayer help.
This cat can see a lion in the mirror. No matter how strong its beliefs are, the cat would never be able to roar.


The world the Bible paints is far removed from the world in which millions of desperate Nigerians live in. Most of our academic institutions are glorified 'CERTIFICATE' centers. Rather than instill knowledge, they instill 'KNOWledge'; who you know na im u go use make am. There's little to no emphasis on basic virtues like trust, love, social responsibilities and how we are our society. These ideals are critical and necessary for a society to function optimally.

And so they've become a mockery,a charade. They preach lofty ideals on the pulpits, while corrupt politicians line the the front rows. 'The little kid sees this, he sees this clearly 'It's all about power. Get money, get power, then come dine with GOD'..

The solution isn't more Bible study, Nigerians have done enough of that. It's time to put our brains to use. You don't have to be a mumu to go to heaven.

U don talk am finish.
Religion in Africa is synonymous with 'don't use your brain'. You see those who tag you fake christian or rebellious because you don't sow seed or pay tithe coming to you (who decided to save or invest your money) for help in desperate situations. You begin to wonder if what they is real at all.
No matter how religious one is, a lack of planning will always mess you up. Nigeria being so religious yet so chaotic is a perfect example.

analice107:

I agree with u sir.
Most Nigerians are lazy, and expect to be pushed all the time to do something. Some people are Physically and spiritually.
Especially spiritually. Most of us don't pray, I mean commune with God. We just go to church hoping that the pastor will perform miracles and gives us exactly what he desire.
There are principles guiding every ordnance in the scripture, but how many of us are applying or engaging those principles? It's just words. Most "Pastors" now know that, people will rather claim their blessings, than work them out, so have taken advantage of that angle, and are doing more harm than good.

Like LordReed said, it's meant to spur us up to engage the spiritual more, but engaging the spiritual without engaging in physical work, will amount to failure at the end of the year.

People are spiritually so lazy, that they rather let the pastor read the Bible, and regurgitate to them. What the Op is saying is so true, but how many read to know for themselves? And Satan ceasing the occasion, has build a monument of deceit in church.

Has anyone noticed that this fake pastors and prophets hold their church services on week days and during working hours? There's one close to my house. Tuesday 9am they have started, till 5pm. After which many will stay back to get personal prophecies from the prophet. Sometimes 10pm this folk are still in church.
Every other day is counselling. And to see the prophet, you buy a pass of 5,000.00k. Am serious. Not exaggerating.
Whatever you need the prophet to do for you, he charges according to your age. That's outside additional charges that accrues as you proceed.

How old are you?
40yrs. What do you want?
A husband.
Fine.
Your assignment fee is 40,000.00.

I know a family who brought their son who had health challenge. He was kind of mental. He charged them 300,0000.00 for their assignment fee. But they ended up living in that church premises for two good years. Money kept coming out of them. He told them he needed to go to their village to dig out a charm buried by their enemy, if not, the boy won't be well. But for that two years, he never found time to go. The boys father sold his land to see that his boy became well again. Yet nothing. At last, it became a very serious issue, to take his family out of the place, because the boys mother wont go home or accept to find help some where else. The prophet had her hypnotised, and all says was, "my Papa said".
Other methods had to be engaged to deliver this family out of that place.
Satan in the details.

Hmmm. People perish for lack of knowledge.

analice107:

I agree with u sir.
Most Nigerians are lazy, and expect to be pushed all the time to do something. Some people are Physically and spiritually.
Especially spiritually. Most of us don't pray, I mean commune with God. We just go to church hoping that the pastor will perform miracles and gives us exactly what he desire.
There are principles guiding every ordnance in the scripture, but how many of us are applying or engaging those principles? It's just words. Most "Pastors" now know that, people will rather claim their blessings, than work them out, so have taken advantage of that angle, and are doing more harm than good.

Like LordReed said, it's meant to spur us up to engage the spiritual more, but engaging the spiritual without engaging in physical work, will amount to failure at the end of the year.

People are spiritually so lazy, that they rather let the pastor read the Bible, and regurgitate to them. What the Op is saying is so true, but how many read to know for themselves? And Satan ceasing the occasion, has build a monument of deceit in church.

Has anyone noticed that this fake pastors and prophets hold their church services on week days and during working hours? There's one close to my house. Tuesday 9am they have started, till 5pm. After which many will stay back to get personal prophecies from the prophet. Sometimes 10pm this folk are still in church.
Every other day is counselling. And to see the prophet, you buy a pass of 5,000.00k. Am serious. Not exaggerating.
Whatever you need the prophet to do for you, he charges according to your age. That's outside additional charges that accrues as you proceed.

How old are you?
40yrs. What do you want?
A husband.
Fine.
Your assignment fee is 40,000.00.

I know a family who brought their son who had health challenge. He was kind of mental. He charged them 300,0000.00 for their assignment fee. But they ended up living in that church premises for two good years. Money kept coming out of them. He told them he needed to go to their village to dig out a charm buried by their enemy, if not, the boy won't be well. But for that two years, he never found time to go. The boys father sold his land to see that his boy became well again. Yet nothing. At last, it became a very serious issue, to take his family out of the place, because the boys mother wont go home or accept to find help some where else. The prophet had her hypnotised, and all says was, "my Papa said".
Other methods had to be engaged to deliver this family out of that place.
Satan in the details.

God help us! This is the very bondage the Lord came to save us from. God help us indeed!

Funny, I don't even see all these yearly "predictions" as prophecy,because it doesn't even sound like it. Most of these words are what the people want to hear!
I tell people to sit down with God and let Him show them what he has in plan for them for each year, or better still prophesy upon themselves instead of relying on a pastor to that for them.